The Final Cut: SHAMSI SHUT DOWN!!! By SHI'A With ONE ANSWER!! | Br. Hassan al-Qadri

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In the name of Allah,

For too long now Shamsi has tried to bully Shi'as. In this video brother Hassan al-Qadri dismantles the argument of Shamsi that he has been throwing at the Shi'as in Speakers Corner for a long time.

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[0:00][Music] a [Music] so it's been too long now that this champion

[0:28]speaker's corner has been going around trying to bully the shia and

[0:34]i feel like he only chooses to speak with shia that he

[0:41]feels he can get an upper hand on for example the time

[0:43]when you came to speaker's corner he used the argument he doesn't

[0:49]debate with the people of buddha very selective in choosing who he

[0:51]debates and what he does is every time he speaks to ashiya

[0:57]he tells them to prove they to follow the hillbert from the

[1:01]quran and he believes that he has a clear verse which says

[1:06]about following the sahaba from the quran also i was just wondering

[1:09]if you could shed some light on this and give us the

[1:14]final cut and answer a few questions so this type of argument

[1:34]we need to dissect it in a few points it in a

[1:40]few points and then put a premise and then start to build

[1:46]upon that inshallah to get an understanding point one the first point

[1:50]is so if i was about if i was to say to

[1:57]you so i'm sitting in front of shamsie although he didn't want

[1:59]to discuss with me because apparently i'm from the people in innovation

[2:03]but the other shias are not for whatever reason if i come

[2:09]and i'm like you know what my memories hurt me a bit

[2:12]i can't remember any verses but i've got some sahih muttawater a

[2:17]hadith found in your books that are reliable and accepted by your

[2:22]ulama and the chains are have all been narrated to us through

[2:28]what's he going to do then reject it and what you're going

[2:35]to do you see you can't play that game that game cannot

[2:40]happen because the quran and sunnah is islam you can't separate the

[2:50]two you're incapable of separating the two al bahari here in his

[2:57]book page 59 he says is no he says that islam is

[3:29]the sunnah and the sunnah is islam they will not rise so

[3:36]they will not be built upon nothing can be built upon if

[3:40]it's not them two together islam is islam why is he playing

[3:53]that game now now as in like you see because i know

[3:55]exactly what they're going to do that's why i never play them

[4:00]gimmicks with these street polemicist a new term now street polemics you

[4:08]know why because if you go to a actual sunni scholar that

[4:14]is well studied he will never bring that stupid argument because he

[4:20]knows every verse has a specific type of istidlal because you tell

[4:27]them allah okay um you bring them another no where did it

[4:36]say mom ali okay i'll turn it round show me a clear-cut

[4:41]verse that says you must follow abu bakr who tried to bring

[4:45]you one or two verses you're like number doesn't say abu bakr's

[4:50]name sorry no not clear he says yeah but there was ijmat

[4:54]from the sahaba show to me in the quran show me the

[4:56]jamaat from the from the quran no it's not in the quran

[5:01]okay so you have to refer back to the sunnah the seerah

[5:05]the books of tariq to prove that yeah okay so we're gonna

[5:13]do then oh but it makes you a kafir to deny and

[5:17]reject the caliphate of abu bakr yeah it's in the quran now

[5:22]what are we gonna do know why because you can't separate the

[5:25]quran from the sunnah the sunnah guides to the quran and the

[5:29]quran guides to the sunnah even further bin baz he says he

[5:37]has a quote where he says he says that if you bring

[5:44]someone a hadith so um a solitary report yeah you bring them

[5:59]a solitary report and you prove that it goes back to the

[6:04]prophet so sahih sanat comes from a a tabata source a trustworthy

[6:13]source a reliable source you reject he said you become a kafir

[6:18]if it's been proven to you oh okay did you know that

[6:23]they are incapable of proving all of their akida and tawheed from

[6:29]the quran why because there are certain safat of allah that they

[6:34]must believe in that's not found in the quran for example one

[6:42]of them is that allah jogs allah jogs yeah i don't jog

[6:52]yeah i don't drug but allah jokes so but it's not fun

[6:58]the quran no okay but you have to believe in it yes

[7:01]okay so everything in there from the quran only no okay so

[7:13]so what are you going against your own principles now even an

[7:18]albani there's a small booklet where he talks about it that the

[7:23]solitary reports if you reject it if my memory serves me right

[7:30]he says you become a muppet a innovator even more here again

[7:38]page 113 he says if you hear a man and you bring

[7:46]him a report and he doesn't want it and he wants a

[7:49]quranic verse then no there is no doubt that he is a

[7:58]man that is upon zandaka even more do you know what the

[8:07]hebby says in his book he says he says that only the

[8:14]only the are the ones who say the quran is sufficient sufficient

[8:20]for us he says in his book he says i think it's

[8:28]in the second page he says only the khawarij will say that

[8:31]the quran is sufficient for us so i don't know if he's

[8:35]trying to say that um or not so shamsie what does he

[8:44]do he talks against sunnis that talk about rebelling against the unjust

[8:48]ruler and so on right because well you have the attributes of

[8:55]you have the attributes of azerite actually not me saying it so

[9:01]why is he bringing this type of argument that's why i never

[9:07]get involved when they start to do them dumb things because i

[9:10]just turn it round on them because they want a verse that

[9:21]who's says said that there's a verse that's going to say that

[9:25]who's ever said that this is how actual academia in the islamic

[9:31]world this is how it works and the verse that he brings

[9:39]itself is not a clear-cut verse not by islamic terminology so it's

[9:42]not aya or by just linguistically that oh it's a clear-cut verse

[9:48]showing you have to follow the sahaba let me tell you why

[9:52]he uses the verse in surah yeah verse 100 was so the

[10:08]first the foremost from the mahajana ansar and those who fold them

[10:14]in goodness allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with

[10:18]allah who's the first and foremost the first and foremost who killed

[10:24]each other or the first and foremost who cursed each other or

[10:27]insulted each other or went to war against each other or differed

[10:30]in opinion which which who's the first and foremost do you know

[10:34]why he can't really answer it do you need to go back

[10:39]to the quran go back to the sunnah seerah the books of

[10:43]tariff and even their own ulama disagree they say some of them

[10:51]say that it's the people of badr some say that it's the

[10:55]companions the ones who pray to al qaeda those or those who

[11:03]that were present at they ate which one is it they don't

[11:11]know or they can't give you a definite answer one would say

[11:13]this but then another grand scholar would say this another grand scholar

[11:16]would say this actually even their classical and earlier scholars they differed

[11:22]on the definition of sahabi who is even a sahab by the

[11:27]way which by the way who who said it that definition is

[11:31]a huge up on me and i have to believe in that

[11:32]definition so the first and foremost oh it's not clear cut and

[11:40]by the way ayamakama what is the definition of ayama command tell

[11:46]me the other definition of it you have a definition it will

[11:50]bring you a definition of one of these colors but then the

[11:53]other color will differ as well do you have one no okay

[11:58]when you prove that means this can you show me that that

[12:03]is a hajj upon me that understanding that definition is a hard

[12:06]job for me who said it why is there a hood me

[12:10]he can't so the first and foremost you have to refer back

[12:17]to sierra sun tariq the books of tariq so we're going to

[12:19]do then we're going to do not then shut down you got

[12:26]shut down now you got shut down now that's what that's what's

[12:29]happening so when he plays these games don't let him play these

[12:32]games yeah don't let him play these games you see what he

[12:38]what he wants to do is they say and i've heard him

[12:41]he will say oh no it's a it's a quranic verse that

[12:45]needs no explanation oh it needs a sabbath what does it mean

[13:02]they have to be upon goodness and is it telling you to

[13:09]obey them completely no sunni will ever say that they can't they're

[13:12]incapable you know why because they'll tell you some of their albino

[13:17]has done it many times by the way or they'll tell you

[13:21]oh no this sahabi was wrong and later on the prophet um

[13:24]gave a different ruling and changed it so the sahaba differed in

[13:34]they differed so what are you going to do then how are

[13:37]you going to follow them upon goodness you'd have to define goodness

[13:43]to me for example a sahabi that doesn't lie yeah okay prove

[13:48]it to me prove to me that every single sahabi did not

[13:52]lie so he needs to define first and foremost he needs to

[14:00]define goodness what is goodness his goodness following abu bakr and umar

[14:03]definitely not 100 no this is my understanding of history so we

[14:12]going to do then shut down that's what it is you see

[14:19]and that's why from the essence of the question it's wrong it's

[14:25]built upon wrong foundations you can't so now what is your proof

[14:33]that is it's a complete mutlaq ayah that says you follow them

[14:36]and everything okay so do you mean i should follow ayesha against

[14:41]the ruler because she fought against the ruler or some of the

[14:46]sahaba that wanted to kill uthman or that killed uthman or some

[14:53]of the sahaba that disagreed upon a matter of faith or other

[14:59]matters we're going to do then so what would you mean by

[15:03]follow them in goodness they'll say oh goodness that which is defined

[15:07]by the quran and the established sunnah of the prophet okay well

[15:11]that's a bit circular because he's narrating from the prophet the sahaba

[15:17]so are you going to do then are you going to define

[15:21]to me goodness and you know the same if they want to

[15:24]use that same argument then the quran is correct in their argument

[15:27]prove to me um where it says follow the sunnah it says

[15:32]follow the hikmah of the prophet in the quran nope doesn't say

[15:36]sunnah no doesn't say sunnah so that you haven't established a sunday

[15:41]either now yeah we're going to do now you want to play

[15:42]that game let's play that game our shutdown shamsi shut down what

[15:47]are you going to do then true for jed are you seeing

[15:54]what i'm saying is what i'm saying to you no one is

[15:57]saying that no is going to say to you no in his

[16:01]right state of mind is going to say to you it says

[16:07]in the quran that you must follow what is it guiding towards

[16:17]and you prove it then like that in one way or another

[16:21]depending on your definition you could prove that it's not i am

[16:26]to follow the sahabah it's not a matter of howard it's not

[16:34]a matter of hawa where can you prove to me that i

[16:38]must follow the caliphate or believe in the caliphate of abu bakr

[16:42]where can you show me in the quran clearly by your understanding

[16:47]the way that you put it to the shias all of the

[16:51]suffix of allah that i'm supposed to believe in he can't he

[16:54]can't what the most he can say to you is that the

[16:59]quran guides towards the sunnah the quran guides and tells you exactly

[17:04]what type of safat allah is accepted from him now of course

[17:09]in the quran it says there's nothing like him so if allah

[17:14]is jogging i don't know i'm definitely not going to be like

[17:17]allah because i'm you know we're not the joking type you know

[17:22]so my point is this you want to play them games we

[17:29]could play them games we could play them they have to believe

[17:31]in the qualifier right the four abu bakr um show me where

[17:41]i have to believe in it in the quran show me now

[17:44]it's in the sun now no no i want to clear cut

[17:46]verse that i'm not going to believe in it let's become quranis

[17:51]now don't play that game the sources of legislation is the quran

[17:59]and sunnah and like ibn mean says now i'm not narrating the

[18:04]words of ibrahim word by word but he has a beautiful line

[18:10]he says the quran is like the two wings of a bird

[18:15]if one of the wings is broken then the bird falls so

[18:20]he is saying islam is built upon the quran and sunnah one

[18:25]of them collapses then the whole dean collapses and they call themselves

[18:34]whatever what are you talking about whatever when you bring your ether

[18:38]he does what the zanadaka would do as don't make me come

[18:47]to speaker's corner again and then you're going to do that thing

[18:49]oh yeah i'll show my back to the rafa that yeah should

[18:53]we go back to the rafale you got destroyed yeah that's that's

[18:57]what happened to you but then he wants to apply that principle

[19:00]but he doesn't want to apply it to other shiats or what

[19:03]other shares that also believe in the caliphate of imam ali and

[19:08]also believe in doing tabari from the enemies of bait those companions

[19:14]that you revere oh they're not in innovators the essence of the

[19:25]question is wrong and this is why there is this problem when

[19:32]this street polemics happens because all they're trying to do is is

[19:37]get one over the other voila i went there it's like a

[19:45]doggy dog world there i felt like i walked into a zoo

[19:49]shouting all of that and then you have to start acting like

[19:51]them shamsy's friend you know what he does he was trying to

[19:56]talk to me trying to prove to me that was debating gonna

[20:00]do all of that and then he by the way this was

[20:02]like five minutes ten minutes after he was debating a christian but

[20:05]anyway he was like yeah he was speaking i was like oh

[20:08]you're gonna let me speak you've been speaking for quite well oh

[20:10]wow i was trying to be respectful they don't want so i'll

[20:13]start shouting over him you shall arch out your arrogant are more

[20:18]arrogant no sunning that insha allah allah gives me the opportunity that

[20:30]one of the legacies i want to leave and by the time

[20:35]i die you know how these days you hear when especially in

[20:37]the speaker's corner oh you know no one cares yeah yeah yeah

[20:46]you know like how they tried to say it okay oh i

[20:48]just hit themselves you know just lay it out like that yeah

[20:54]yeah like that and they let it go that's gonna stop i'm

[20:56]gonna take you back to the times sharif when we will be

[21:08]respected one way or another then days are over are over no

[21:17]one puts their foot on top of the follower and love of

[21:24]alibaba never never ever that we will ever allow any of them

[21:31]to put their foot on top of our heads and know yashiya

[21:33]that when you go to speakers kuna do not go there if

[21:38]you are incapable of debating if you don't have the attributes characteristics

[21:42]of a debater if you don't know the arguments if you don't

[21:45]know your opponent because when you lose even if you are someone

[21:50]that's not famous you make us all look bad it weakens everyone

[21:55]haram we have raw art where the imam condemns certain companions not

[22:03]everyone should go and debate not everyone is in shambhala please brothers

[22:10]sisters please there's rules and regulations our deen has rules and regulations

[22:16]so we'll end it like this it's not i shut down chemistry

[22:23]shut down now don't bring me that stupid argument again the final

[22:30]cut finished full stop mohammed

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