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[0:01]assalamu alaikum welcome to the second season of progeny podcast and i'm

[0:07]so excited about today's episode there is no denying that in the

[0:10]past 20 years the most influential and recognizable voice in the shia

[0:16]community is dr seda manakshawani one only has to look at this

[0:19]year's muharram and safar majalis that were watched by millions around the

[0:23]world to have a glimpse of this influence notice that when you

[0:28]write sayyid on google the first name to appear is sayid ammanakshawani

[0:33]but surrounding the influence is also a number of issues concerning his

[0:38]opinions and thoughts in this podcast we shall discuss for the first

[0:43]time and address many of these issues welcome to the project new

[0:47]podcast it's an honor to have you thank you so much it's

[0:49]my pleasure let's start off by mentioning the muharram and the safar

[0:54]majalis how was it different morning for imam al-hussein alaihissalam during covet

[1:00]knowing that you're used to having a crowd in front of you

[1:03]now you're doing most of your majalis online well first and foremost

[1:09]i thank god that i had the honor of reciting the lectures

[1:13]in the holy month of muharram without a doubt it was different

[1:19]you know normally you have the fellow community members both those you

[1:23]know and those who don't know sitting in front of you and

[1:29]uh this year you've got five six people sitting in front of

[1:32]you and and you're looking at them they're looking at you it's

[1:37]a surreal feeling um we did miss the congregation there's no doubt

[1:41]you miss seeing those in front of you who are expressing their

[1:47]emotions who are understanding the points that you're making or in some

[1:50]cases not sure about the point that you've made looking baffled looking

[1:54]baffled in some cases but that's all part of the you know

[1:58]the the flavor of the programs that take place in the holy

[2:03]month of uh muharram uh but you know it was um it

[2:08]was it was successful alhamdulillah the community in peterborough welcomed me uh

[2:14]with what i gather is exactly the same hospitality that they would

[2:19]have welcomed me had there been a couple of thousand people sitting

[2:21]in front of me they went out of their way to make

[2:25]sure that you know the millions who were listening online were able

[2:28]to benefit as much from the live broadcast as possible and it

[2:33]is what it is you know you could sit and think to

[2:36]yourself that i've been used to for over 20 years reciting in

[2:42]front of um a number of people sitting in a congregation and

[2:44]this year it's somewhat different but you know god's been so kind

[2:49]and even the fact that there's five six in front of us

[2:53]we know we had the hearts of millions joining us and hopefully

[2:56]the little service that we gave back the imam of our time

[2:58]is proud of so it was different alhamdulillah god god helped us

[3:04]get through it healthily one positive we gained from especially suffer because

[3:09]usually arby's if you want to listen to say that why you

[3:12]have to be in karbala so you're in ziara you'll listen to

[3:16]said um you'll go to the majoris that you hold in the

[3:20]holy city of karbala but this year obviously number one you weren't

[3:23]able to go for ziara but on the positive side is that

[3:26]people around the world got to hear majalis in arabi for the

[3:30]first time i think in a very long time yeah we worked

[3:33]our socks off to get there to karbala and unfortunately it happened

[3:36]and i'm sure many people had seen that i had made an

[3:40]announcement in in one of the nights in the holy month of

[3:42]muharram where i had said that uh this year we will be

[3:46]going on ziara i didn't mention specifically where and it turned out

[3:49]that the seattle we went on was to collindale in london so

[3:53]for those who say that you didn't go to ziaran or even

[3:57]turning up at the imam hussain tv studios in london was the

[4:01]theater in of itself but alhamdulillah you know i haven't recited 10

[4:11]nights in the arby's period for now maybe over 10 years as

[4:13]you said we normally have the majorities with spiritual journeys in carabella

[4:19]probably the largest gathering of uh any medullas in kerbela in that

[4:26]particular period there's thousands of majorities in these small milwaukee but to

[4:30]have the medullas that we have with spiritual journeys um is always

[4:36]a huge honor it's a great spectacle but once again god's the

[4:39]best of planners maybe there were certain topics that had to be

[4:43]addressed publicly so that everybody could listen to them rather than privately

[4:46]as i would normally do in kerbela on nights like this the

[4:50]imam hussain tv team were fantastic and they were a great success

[4:56]um it may not come back again for a number of years

[4:58]we may return to karbala in sha allah next year but to

[5:03]be able to reciprocate in our feelings for wanting to be in

[5:08]kerbela there are so many of the wonderful followers of him who

[5:12]until today tell me how much they missed karbala now you were

[5:14]fortunate enough to make it to karabella um and so in one

[5:19]way maybe you got an invite that i didn't and another way

[5:24]maybe you had a role and i had a wrong and the

[5:27]best way is to look at these things positively that's the positive

[5:30]i mentioned that people got to listen to majalis for our mind

[5:33]for the first time let's go back to the to the start

[5:36]we both grew up in london you come from a scholarly family

[5:40]but going back to the 80s and 90s i don't think you

[5:45]aspire to be in this field that you're in of service of

[5:47]the prophet tell me about those years the 80s the 90s what

[5:54]do you what do you remember from the community from where you

[5:59]grew up yeah the the 80s and 90s i don't think anyone

[6:02]aspired to be an english lecturer because there really was no such

[6:06]thing as becoming a khatrib or a lecturer or reciter in the

[6:12]english language we were finding our feet in this country having to

[6:16]juggle so many identities and we thank really the founding fathers of

[6:22]of the mosques that were able to cater for this generation that

[6:30]was half a half british half iranian half british half harja half

[6:35]pakistani half british a number of the leaders of our communities they

[6:40]were fantastic in the way that many of us don't appreciate they

[6:45]were the ones who bought pieces of land purchased freehold buildings to

[6:51]make sure that we were all able to gather together on the

[6:54]on the nights of the wilder and the shahada of the imams

[7:00]of albeit and so i remember in the 80s you're looking back

[7:04]in the 80s my my first memory would be 87 near baker

[7:12]street station which was there they used to call it an although

[7:16]it was made up mainly of the community in the bahraini community

[7:20]and people like that who had come together to try and serve

[7:23]the community and the imam of the mosque at that time was

[7:25]um he was the imam of the mosque we're talking 87.

[7:32]at the same time in clapham which at that time was an

[7:36]area you wouldn't necessarily visit uh without thinking where the nearest hospital

[7:39]may be and today you look at it's just like it's just

[7:43]gone so uh different trendy now and uh i think at that

[7:47]time we used to go to madquest if you remember and uh

[7:51]there's a great combination of the great scholar and one of the

[7:57]the best leaders you could have said allah bless us and at

[8:04]the same time you had in muharram the family with the outstanding

[8:09]work that they used to do so these people were the bedrock

[8:15]of our upbringing you had for example schools like madras which many

[8:21]would have attended and i don't think my teachers necessarily would have

[8:25]predicted that i would become who i became um god bless his

[8:35]soul he uh he gave so much effort um so you you

[8:40]had a community that was coming together a community that had realized

[8:47]that the bedrock of the growth of the shia community is and

[8:52]during that period there is also a development of the hardware community

[8:57]and you've got uh majima and holland park which was a place

[9:02]i'd love to be at on the 21st or the 23rd of

[9:05]ramadan so we are independent indebted to all of these places not

[9:10]forgetting them at home from the norway family who had also been

[9:14]one of the main pillars of establishing the lectures and the majorities

[9:19]but the reality was that these lectures were all in arabic or

[9:23]in order or in farsi so i don't think many of us

[9:27]were necessarily interested in sitting in the lectures there's no way that

[9:31]i used to enjoy sitting in the lectures i i do remember

[9:33]if there was any lecturer who i may have enjoyed listening to

[9:37]in those early years allah bless the soul had certain lectures which

[9:44]i vividly remember due to the encouragement of my of my parents

[9:49]and ensuring especially my mother pushing us that we didn't live far

[9:54]away from stanmore mosque and therefore they had some fantastic programs there

[9:58]at the time but again there was nothing there that would make

[10:02]me think that i would um i would become a lecturer because

[10:06]there was no real inspiration in the lectures you remember the holy

[10:09]days though the latter was one thing we looked forward to oh

[10:12]yeah for sure you know la ton matam we used to love

[10:17]it who could get the redder chest i think that was that

[10:20]was a major uh competition on the reddest chests so you know

[10:24]the the idea that we love imam hussain and and the idea

[10:29]that we will go in for a lot of food and so

[10:33]on that that was a vital component and if ever i could

[10:35]stress to the listeners i would always say to them that you

[10:40]know with your kids make sure muharram is is the foundation if

[10:43]you're not going to devote too much else make sure they recognize

[10:48]the importance of hussein those areas in which we can gain closeness

[10:56]to what's happened at carabella because the more you reflect on karabella

[10:58]even if you just learned one thing then it softens you i

[11:03]don't know if you remember fatherly yeah of course i would say

[11:09]was the first to make me cry fatherly was giving arby's mosque

[11:16]if i'm not mistaken around 96 maybe 95-96 and he recited the

[11:27]makhtal of the arabin and then he ends it with and when

[11:32]i thought of and i thought the translation it was the first

[11:37]time that i broke down and i think if in your period

[11:41]of adolescence if you do break down the soul the heart softens

[11:46]the soul suddenly finds areas where it can grow and develop and

[11:50]so i thank all of these but was i aspiring to one

[11:55]day sit where you know these figures were sitting and to lead

[11:58]a community into lecture on islam no not at all not at

[12:02]all there was nothing there so when's the turning point when you

[12:05]thought yes i'm going to do this i'm going to serve my

[12:10]community i think we were given good opportunities to develop as leaders

[12:16]used to encourage growth as leaders as volunteers in the community when

[12:25]you want to serve you have to serve grassroots people have to

[12:32]see that you've served grassroots and you have to learn the meaning

[12:38]of giving back i think he was an inspiration in telling us

[12:44]to come back and to give back towards the towards the community

[12:50]and you had sheikh who suddenly starts to encourage more and more

[12:57]that those of you who are volunteering male and female let me

[13:03]add you should speak about your aspirations you should speak about the

[13:07]religion that you love and it was at the gym at al

[13:12]hawi that you suddenly start to develop a feeling dr abu if

[13:20]you remember well also used to encourage the shabbat to gather but

[13:26]i do think when hajj has came to london i think at

[13:35]that time the the image of english lecturing suddenly changes suddenly it's

[13:41]not somebody who is knowledgeable but with an accent now you have

[13:47]someone who's knowledgeable but eloquent motivational you can relate to and i

[13:55]do remember me and him speaking together at queen mary's university the

[13:58]bait society event 2001.

[14:03]and him mentioning that look the demand is high but the supply

[14:08]is low and you're gonna have to step up and i was

[14:13]fortunate that we had a platform at alharaca and there are so

[14:17]many who i'm sure will listen to this will remember yeah and

[14:20]you guys have developed it to hara which you know is something

[14:26]extremely proud of and hopefully the next generation will take a step

[14:30]back and say sorry imam we forgot you definitely so you know

[14:34]with hanukkah what's what's amazing is that we've got this group of

[14:39]youths who come together very raw but they all have a passion

[14:46]to serve and i've had this passion to serve having returned from

[14:52]umrah i've seen jannatal i haven't cried that jannatul out of realization

[14:56]that i don't know anything my mom al-hassan has an effect on

[15:04]me when it has this effect on me i tell the group

[15:10]of shabbat around me you know i remember i just come back

[15:13]from omar and uh our good friend hassan hassan raof yep i

[15:20]see hassan outside the mosque and i'm telling him all about um

[15:25]he's like to me this is outstanding you know he is telling

[15:29]me you know bro the passion that you have for this is

[15:31]phenomenal that i'm telling him about what i've gone through and omran

[15:36]now there's a need for us to talk about a lady why

[15:37]are we making excuses that the lectures are in arabic or ordo

[15:43]or farsi why don't we now develop something in the english language

[15:47]and he's and i remember him telling me well who's gonna kick

[15:50]it off and i said well i'll do it.

[15:52]and we started to bring others in from from the different groups

[15:55]of the shabbat at the time the different groups of the youths

[15:58]and the iraqi community and we decided to start at hadak and

[16:02]here i am speaking every friday at al haraka when we speak

[16:07]every friday we start off with about 15 people at the beginning

[16:10]that develops to 30 that moves on to 60 that goes on

[16:14]to 120.

[16:14]now there's pakistani youth coming now there's afghan youth coming iranian converts

[16:18]have now found a space again after maybe being left out in

[16:22]the dark for a while and so i would say that those

[16:26]were the turning points you know a mixture of having seen that

[16:30]there was a need in myself to speak about how literal knowledge

[16:39]we have of uh to begin with of the imams of genital

[16:42]wart having seen hajj hasting talk about the need for all of

[16:48]us to fulfill our potential and then having had and been fortunate

[16:51]to be in a generation of shabbat who were like-minded who wanted

[16:55]to see a development in the community in terms of religious learning

[16:59]in the english language it all came together wonderfully so i thank

[17:03]the lord that he allowed me to emerge and flourish with all

[17:09]of these different opportunities and blessings emerging alhamdulillah today is known worldwide

[17:13]and as i mentioned at the start you know you can only

[17:18]look at your lectures for example this mahara even the last few

[17:21]years of maharam you look at the views once comes when they

[17:23]go on youtube when they're live thousands of people from around the

[17:26]world watching them building up to you know close to a million

[17:30]if not more on your youtube channel as i've noticed but one

[17:34]thing that you're known for is your style of lecturing how did

[17:39]that come about well that certainly wasn't um the style at the

[17:44]beginning at the beginning it was absolutely raw and here i am

[17:47]i'm just like jumping from topic to topic and i'm screaming as

[17:52]i'm talking i'm loud i can still be loud at certain moments

[17:56]but i'm loud but what comes from the heart reaches the heart

[18:02]there was a lot of trial and error and sometimes people are

[18:08]not forgiving to young speakers when they're in the process of trial

[18:14]and error amanakshani didn't begin as he is now it's like marriage

[18:25]for example there is this belief that the son-in-law has to be

[18:31]as successful as the father is at this moment well the father

[18:37]should remind himself how were you when you first started how was

[18:41]your success and so in the beginning it was trial and error

[18:45]because remember there's no mahad for example or institute for kataba in

[18:52]english they may have been in arabic there's an institute for how

[18:56]you develop lectures how you structure lectures they may have been in

[19:00]in farsi there may have been an ordeal but there wasn't in

[19:03]english so for a lot of us it was trial and error

[19:07]i must admit that of the supervisors i had professor c.e bosworth

[19:14]renowned orientalist and great scholar of islam who passed away a few

[19:20]years ago he did have a discussion with me about how my

[19:24]lectures should develop into essays and you should say to me that

[19:29]structure it like an essay intro you're writing an essay what would

[19:34]you have you'd have intro and then you'd have for example point

[19:39]one arguments four point two arguments against point three contemporary opinion point

[19:45]four will for example uh come together with the conclusion imagine a

[19:53]non-muslim provides a catalyst or an inspiration for what then develops into

[19:57]some of the most listened to lectures in the shiite world today

[20:02]and that just goes to show you that god has a purpose

[20:05]for everybody that might have been his by the way the fact

[20:11]that he sat with his muslim student and encouraged him to develop

[20:15]a method which hitherto this point had never been done you know

[20:20]i just remember listening to shaykh may allah bless his son will

[20:27]take a verse of the quran which he'll then divide but he

[20:34]wouldn't necessarily take a topic which he'd examine for 50 minutes in

[20:38]a row he has some yeah but really it's mainly a verse

[20:42]unless he's doing a biography of a personality whose shahada is that

[20:46]night or so on normally it's a verse then he breaks up

[20:48]the verse and then in breaking up the verse for example let's

[20:52]say you take the eye of the quran i don't know um

[21:02]would say the first portion we'll look at is what is the

[21:08]meaning of iman number two number three whoa so he's taken an

[21:18]i am broken down but and break it down he'll go off

[21:20]to different tangents of course use poetry use poetry and so on

[21:25]stories but he's going up to different tangents in the sense that

[21:27]okay iman has a few stories on iman asala has a few

[21:34]points so it's not one topic 445.

[21:35]you can go off to different areas but he just done it

[21:40]perfectly with myself i looked at it i thought you know what

[21:44]let me develop my lectures like an essay because the listener will

[21:49]know okay you know what i wonder what he's gonna say in

[21:50]point number two point number four oh my god i've always asked

[21:57]that question and now he's going to say it as point number

[21:59]four and so when someone leaves your lecture they leave the lecture

[22:06]thinking i can now repeat verbatim his structure the problem with many

[22:13]lectures up to that point and maybe even today there's no structure

[22:16]if you listen to whether it's in arabic or english you'll hear

[22:20]a lecturer begin to talk about marriage 15 minutes later it's on

[22:22]25 minutes later talking about the community 14 minutes later it's about

[22:25]god 11 minutes late so by the end you're like there were

[22:30]so many nice points but i don't know what the topic was

[22:33]so i thought that with the style of intro let's dissect this

[22:39]in complete depth i really put a challenge on myself that i

[22:43]can continue to talk about this for 50 minutes not easy there

[22:47]are many who won't do it because to continue to talk about

[22:53]one topic for 50 minutes you've got to study pretty hard and

[22:57]you've got to have some pretty solid content you can never let

[23:02]me make this clear to the listeners you can never explain everything

[23:07]related to that topic in 50 minutes there are people who listen

[23:12]to you and say but you could have said this and you

[23:13]could have said that you're absolutely right if you give me another

[23:15]six hours i probably will yeah but in 50 minutes muharram night

[23:22]7 you try sitting up there and summarizing a topic in 50.

[23:25]so you develop that style the essay style and alhamdulillah everywhere you

[23:29]go around the world whether you go to the indoor pack subcontinent

[23:32]or you go to the middle east or parts of north america

[23:34]or europe people will always look at you and say let's dissect

[23:37]this topic in complete depth one two three four five and i'm

[23:41]honored and i thank allah for giving me you know that wisdom

[23:46]that insight to be able to develop a style where a person

[23:48]is like it's so easy to listen to said amma's flow in

[23:53]a lecture you know that's all due to the lord you mentioned

[23:55]at the beginning you know we mentioned the positivity of this year

[23:58]was people got to hear you maybe they couldn't because they were

[24:04]in kerbela and there were specific topics that you chose that you

[24:08]feel should have been addressed um how do you pick these topics

[24:11]you know we're talking here specifically this maharam there were some interesting

[24:15]topics as well as our buying or even the previous years or

[24:21]ramadan for example you did the death how do you come up

[24:24]with your topics do you know what there's no one answer for

[24:28]how we come up with a topic um it could be on

[24:33]the basis of the emails and messages that you receive where you

[24:36]look at a particular topic that keeps popping up people continuously asking

[24:40]about this topic and it seems that although someone may have given

[24:46]a two or three minute discussion or an answer for example on

[24:49]the internet with two or three lines they haven't addressed it with

[24:54]the depth that the topic deserves so sometimes it'll be on the

[24:59]basis of the emails that i'm receiving sometimes it's on the basis

[25:02]of me scouring online to see where is islam being attacked or

[25:08]where are there misconceptions about islamic history or islamic theology both within

[25:11]the community and outside of the community so for example this year

[25:18]you know there some people came up to me and they enjoyed

[25:21]female genital mutilation as a topic others said well not really in

[25:27]muharram [Music] tends to be where you get the broadest crowd broadest

[25:32]both within the community of the most devout shia and the one

[25:38]who only listens in muharram and outside of the community where you

[25:42]may get the shia who are ready to send to their non-muslim

[25:46]friends discussions and so sometimes you may find that there are certain

[25:50]ex-muslims or non-muslims who will say that islam is a religion that

[25:54]allows female genital mutilation i've seen this go on for years and

[25:57]it's hardly ever been addressed so when i kept on looking at

[26:02]videos islam female gentlemen islam allows female gentlemen so therefore i felt

[26:05]that there was a need to address it but then muslim and

[26:08]gay for example is because clearly there is a discussion now within

[26:12]the muslim community in muslim majority countries and outside of the muslim

[26:17]community in non-muslim majority countries where people are asking what's islam stance

[26:22]on for example the homosexual community so there was a need to

[26:27]address it both through an islamic lens as well as appreciate that

[26:31]there may be a non-islamic world view in looking at such a

[26:34]topic then i might hear for example in the community that there

[26:39]are murmurs about certain topics which people still have misconceptions about um

[26:45]so i had a couple of topics this year which i felt

[26:48]needed addressing such as for example such as for example why do

[26:54]the shia curse i felt that these needed to be addressed because

[26:58]it seems that even within our own community there are people who

[27:02]are like you know what i'm not reading and i'm not gonna

[27:05]do allah because the imams wouldn't do lana and um when i

[27:10]hear such things i feel that yes there's a point here where

[27:13]it needs to be addressed then there are others where you don't

[27:17]really need to hear from the community you know everyone's always waited

[27:21]for a biography of the muscle mean but no one hardly ever

[27:26]stepped up to give a biography of the 14 muscle mean and

[27:29]you can never give a biography of the 14 it will take

[27:32]you a lifetime and more but what you can do is give

[27:34]an introduction for an hour each and that's where the biography of

[27:37]the 14 months from in syria started in darussalam or the biography

[27:42]of imam ali um or on the prophet or imam and mahdi

[27:46]or the series on quranic sciences or on death you know all

[27:50]of these are topics which i think people always continuously ask about

[27:54]and it was nice to be able to give 20 lectures 30

[27:56]lectures on these topics rather than just giving a 45 minute lecture

[27:59]one off so it varies where these topics come from you know

[28:03]there are certain speakers who will tell me listen i don't know

[28:06]how you're finding these new topics because we're struggling to find new

[28:08]topics and you're finding new ones all the time but i think

[28:13]you know ask the lord to inspire you keep reading and you'll

[28:15]you'll see that this religion is an ocean what i've given back

[28:19]in lectures is an aorta of the knowledge that's available in this

[28:25]wonderful religion there are so many discussions to be had and if

[28:30]god grants me a longer life then inshaallah will get to all

[28:35]of them celebrities sometimes they say oh fanboys fangirls you know this

[28:39]stuff is thrown at you one can even argue that you've changed

[28:44]the image of how our scholar should be you know i've seen

[28:49]it don't i look scholarly oh you always do okay some people

[28:52]come and say selfies you know say let's take a selfie sometimes

[28:56]males females how do how do you you know cope with this

[28:59]how do you react to all these people you know saying you've

[29:03]changed the image well i don't think any of us ever expected

[29:08]or signed up for the facts that a lecturer from the streets

[29:17]of london lecturing in front of 13 people on a friday night

[29:20]would eventually be someone listen to worldwide you don't sign up for

[29:26]that you ask anybody including yourself and it's great that you're the

[29:30]one conducting this discussion because you've been there with me throughout this

[29:37]journey did you ever imagine that it would get to this position

[29:43]or status ever i remember that you did the the documentary uh

[29:50]or the the series of shows reborn enjoyed those shows not only

[29:58]because 95 of the time they would mention my name and how

[30:02]they became but on a serious note i enjoyed them because there

[30:06]were people i had never met i never knew that those people

[30:09]were inspired by i didn't even know they existed i didn't know

[30:12]they were inspired by my lectures to come towards the path of

[30:15]bait so those people one day i'm in an airport let's say

[30:21]in uh in new jersey not that i can really go to

[30:28]airports in america america at the moment but i hope everyone prays

[30:30]for me to be able or to be allowed to return but

[30:33]if i was to be for example at an airport new jersey

[30:36]and someone comes up to me and says can i have a

[30:37]selfie with you i don't even know who they are but they're

[30:41]saying that it was your lecture on this night in 2007 i

[30:46]can't even remember the lecture that made me come towards the path

[30:51]of elevate what do i do at that moment of course if

[30:53]they're going to ask me for a selfie i'm honored but i

[30:55]don't sign up for that i don't sign up that one day

[31:00]you're going to be walking for example you go to seattle and

[31:02]you have to be quite private in ziada because every place that

[31:05]you walk you've got people who recognize you want to take selfies

[31:08]with you there was a period of time where you'd have ladies

[31:14]in the community who'd come and take selfies with me and each

[31:17]one of them would tell you this lecture changed me this lecture

[31:21]for example made me wear hijab this lecture for example helped me

[31:23]in a debate or a discussion and i had to stop taking

[31:28]selfies because people would take these pictures and they'd say what type

[31:33]of scholar is this who takes pictures with girls i only would

[31:36]look at it by thinking to myself okay okay call you know

[31:39]just take a quick picture i'm not gonna conduct a conversation i'm

[31:43]gonna be moving on but here you have a situation where that

[31:46]lady may have been inspired by a lecture of mine is so

[31:49]happy to tell me about how much she's been inspired wants to

[31:54]take a selfie and then people look at it don't get me

[31:57]wrong most people are good shaytan makes us think that most people

[32:02]don't like these things or haters but most people are very genuine

[32:06]but they'll always be as in the west indies our good friend

[32:12]amu naweed would always say empty barrels make the most noise and

[32:18]there's a number of empty barrels whose envy overtakes them they cannot

[32:23]take the fact that nobody's ever asked them for a selfie and

[32:27]so for them it kills them you know how was it that

[32:31]i'm maybe not looking as religious as they do in the baha'illaulesc

[32:37]world view of having a sabbaha and on me but that this

[32:42]person gets all the accolades or he gets all these and when

[32:45]you're saying fanboys and fangirls that's got nothing to do with me

[32:48]and much rather that they are fans of someone who gives lectures

[32:53]about the masumi and rather than fans of people who may have

[32:57]lyrics that take them away from god so you know if people

[33:00]want to call it celebrity and they want to say fanboys and

[33:02]fangirls and selfies and so on i can't really lose much sleep

[33:06]over these things you know um at the end of the day

[33:13]i appreciate the love of the people when they come and say

[33:16]thank you because if it wasn't for the listeners i'm a nobody

[33:18]it's the listeners that motivate you it's the listeners and their thanks

[33:23]and gratitude and even the lord mentions if you thank me i'll

[33:30]give you more and so in a way for us as humans

[33:32]when people are grateful to us it inspires us to come back

[33:34]with more i'm sure with yourself you've done a great program in

[33:36]muharram and when someone comes up to and says mustafa well done

[33:40]haruka's program and muharram was innovative it was nice you're like yeah

[33:44]i needed that because maybe i didn't have a lot of people

[33:46]coming up to me and saying well done and that one person

[33:50]who did has now inspired me to maybe continue to do more

[33:52]so we can't do as much sleep on these things um although

[33:56]you did raise the question but we really can't lose much sleep

[33:59]on these things you just gotta get on with it life's short

[34:01]um one day you're the talk of the town another day it'll

[34:05]be someone else you know talking of the image of the scholar

[34:08]i'm gonna ask you a question i hope you can answer it

[34:12]no you know so a lot of people speak about your tattoos

[34:16]you know so how can someone sitting on the mumbai have the

[34:20]tattoos you know which tattoos and i've got tattoos i've got a

[34:23]friend of mine that said you know there's a maulana apparently that

[34:26]calls you a llama tattoo so i'm honored that he's called me

[34:36]so i thought that was only reserved for the the great so

[34:37]like but yeah at the end of the day you know tattoos

[34:47]the last i checked is that the marja that i do the

[34:54]taklidov um has not said that it's prohibited and my tattoos are

[35:04]actually uh a reflection of some of my favorite hadiths from the

[35:09]lil bait um yeah i can show you show the viewers maybe

[35:16]a couple of them but uh i don't know how many of

[35:20]the viewers will remember for example uh what spring calls the new

[35:26]overflows in me is for example or for example here's one if

[35:33]this zip comes down uh brother brothers in faith equals in humanity

[35:40]i make a point that i'll never put god's name or the

[35:43]prophet's name or the debate's name on my body um and rather

[35:51]i just put the traditions um and you're probably right listen you

[35:55]can in the same way we couldn't imagine that english lecturing was

[36:02]going to uh was going to kick off as as it did

[36:05]never did you imagine that somebody um would have tattoos who'd be

[36:12]seen as uh as the main lecturer and uh and at the

[36:17]end they just because let's say my scholar allows it doesn't mean

[36:19]that it's obligatory i must make this clear to a lot of

[36:24]the youth out there who think that because something's halal that means

[36:26]they have to do it not at all if your parents don't

[36:29]want you to do such a thing don't do it if your

[36:33]parents feel that such things are not the best images don't do

[36:38]it but uh i think you know you said that someone called

[36:40]me allamata i think they should you know probably focus more on

[36:43]developing content regarding the prophet and his family rather than discussing me

[36:49]you know um but i must thank them you know for calling

[36:54]me it's it's really is a huge honor uh to be known

[37:00]as they continue to call me such wonderful honorific titles so i'm

[37:03]going to keep asking about the image have you have you ever

[37:05]considered wearing a mama a yeah for sure i just felt that

[37:15]the youth wouldn't be able to chill with with me the way

[37:19]that you feel they could relate to me now there was a

[37:22]part of me that you know if you go to an interfaith

[37:25]event and the rabbi is in full uniform and the priest is

[37:27]in full uniform and you're the only one who's in half uniform

[37:30]there always was a part of me where i was like i

[37:33]should be in full uniform by the same time why did i

[37:37]enter all of this i didn't enter all of this three four

[37:40]years ago my first lecture was in the year 2000 and i

[37:46]entered all of this to try and inspire others with what i

[37:52]felt i had been inspired outside the gates of barca it wasn't

[37:56]so that people look at me and say he looks religious he

[38:02]looks holy those who want to wear of course this is something

[38:05]where one who has gained knowledge is able to represent the holy

[38:14]household i have full respect for you know those who wear the

[38:17]garb i remember one of my teachers i asked him if he

[38:21]would put the turban on me and he was like why i

[38:24]said because i go to interfaith events and i want to look

[38:28]the part you don't want to look like someone who's a bit

[38:35]holy and um he said no you don't need it there are

[38:37]others who could do those jobs he said for you you aim

[38:43]higher and that was interesting considering he wears one considering he's a

[38:47]monster head having studied under some of the greatest and so we

[38:51]all have different roles um but you can never say never but

[38:58]i don't know how much it will suit me i think uh

[39:02]i'd have to develop uh maybe a beard that's let's get ready

[39:07]yeah maybe not now maybe not now but maybe sometime in the

[39:11]future who knows whatever god destined going away from from this image

[39:17]now and and you know some people still say we want to

[39:19]invite say damar we want to have said ammar but you know

[39:24]say that charges for his lectures and he charges quite a lot

[39:27]some people even say you know should should a should they speak

[39:32]a lecture scholar should he be charging for giving us the knowledge

[39:35]of the bait the knowledge of the quran why is he even

[39:38]charging why should there should there be a fee for this lecture

[39:42]i lectured at hanukkah for eight years you made a killing on

[39:55]fridays and tuesdays how much was i uh killing how much tell

[39:59]me killing tell me how much zero zero for the first eight

[40:03]years of my lecturing at um at the haraka on friday nights

[40:12]for the community uh no one would even think of giving you

[40:15]a penny i never ever got paid never cease afterwards yeah southern

[40:19]fried chicken was about as much as i got you know two

[40:24]toxic burgers um that's as much as i got i'd have to

[40:30]thank dr liaka delji who who spotted me early on like a

[40:36]scout spot sir a football player and he and he signed me

[40:38]up for the haida islamic center where i've been so fortunate to

[40:43]serve a wonderful community and and from there i was receiving a

[40:50]wage as an employee as the resident harlem of the mosque and

[40:54]i'd say that in the first few moharams i would not stipulate

[40:58][Music] a fee and i completely understand those who will never stipulate

[41:05]um i only begun to discuss the fees for a lecture or

[41:14]form agilis when i was uh beginning my phd which was costing

[41:25]me a few thousand pounds a year and i felt that i

[41:30]needed to collect a certain amount to pay those fees i wasn't

[41:34]able to necessarily afford to pay like whatever twenty thousand pounds to

[41:40]finish a phd considering that you've now decided you're gonna be someone

[41:46]serving in the english language and in those days you know it

[41:50]wasn't the most popular thing in the world it was slowly rising

[41:51]people were not used to giving and so i remember around 0.506

[41:58]i would be getting 50 pounds a night for a lecture without

[42:05]stipulating the first time i ever stipulated was i said if i

[42:07]can get 100 because that'll pay for my uh tuition and my

[42:12]travel back and forth i was doing my phd at exeter university

[42:15]and it's at that moment that i realized that that professionalism was

[42:21]vital because sometimes what used to happen was that you'd have a

[42:26]person give you a certain amount one of my close friends who's

[42:30]a was a renowned speaker he said to me that you know

[42:33]they they gave me an amount which was so little and i

[42:37]was like well you don't necessarily stipulate he's like yeah but i

[42:40]don't want to stipulate i'm like then you have to accept anything

[42:42]because you're doing this so whatever they give you he's like yeah

[42:45]but you know how hard i would i said listen there are

[42:49]those who don't want to stipulate should not complain later on and

[42:51]there are those who prefer that there isn't an argument or a

[42:54]you know a breakup of relationship that occurs because i was expecting

[43:00]and you were expecting and i thought it was this and you

[43:02]thought it was that listen from the outset let us agree so

[43:05]that later on there isn't this confusion that occurs where there is

[43:11]a sour taste there was a clip that was spread about me

[43:15]about 10 years ago that people were saying that i said that

[43:20]if you don't charge for a medullas then you're a disease and

[43:21]and that was taken completely out of context but you know in

[43:25]some cases with our people you'll hear three minutes you won't hear

[43:31]57 and you'll believe that part and that was part of a

[43:35]discussion where a community had actually said to me that look we

[43:37]ask the speaker just tell us what you're expecting and the speaker

[43:40]says no no i'm doing this they're like no no we know

[43:45]you're doing it tomorrow so we're not questioning your knee but just

[43:48]tell us what is the amount that you're expecting and then the

[43:53]speaker would say no i'm not you know whatever you give me

[43:57]i'll be happy as soon as we gave him the envelope he's

[43:59]like what's this they're like mawlana you're the one who said to

[44:06]us that uh you know it's my new year to serve my

[44:09]husband he's like yeah so what's this you've given me he wants

[44:12]lee not near exactly and and what happens is that they said

[44:18]to me firstly he had asked for a laptop already for his

[44:21]children we've already given him that so if you want to do

[44:22]the valuations secondly he had an orphanage in his country if you

[44:27]can donate thirdly he had a television channel that was just beginning

[44:31]so if you can just donate as well to that and also

[44:32]the envelope you've given me is not what i was expecting they're

[44:36]like mawlana first if you add up the laptops and the donations

[44:38]we've given your orphanage and everything and you went from i'm only

[44:42]doing this for my mom to actually i've got a school and

[44:43]an orphan a china television channel and so on and so on

[44:47]and come to pakistan and you'll see and it's a lot so

[44:49]they said if you don't mind address this issue that when we

[44:53]want to agree an amount we have a couple of things to

[44:58]think about number one we have the burden of taxes with the

[45:00]government things have to be registered the payments we have to make

[45:03]and number two we don't want someone leaving disappointed thinking that they

[45:09]did not honor me when we could have honored that amount had

[45:12]they just made it clear so those who have this impression that

[45:19]i was insisting that you have to charge i think many in

[45:24]bait society will vouch in the uk many uh uh a society

[45:28]of university students will vouch that i gave lectures without asking for

[45:32]anything in return many a house will vouch that i went to

[45:36]lecture in someone's house and did not ask for anything yes people

[45:40]may come up to you later and say please take this but

[45:43]when it comes to certain areas those areas may be because you

[45:47]want to pursue your studies you want to develop for example a

[45:50]piece of literature write a book and so on and so forth

[45:54]and i think these are beneficial at the end they i'm fortunate

[45:58]god's given me the success that he gave me there are others

[46:01]who may not be known as much but they don't deserve to

[46:04]be treated in a way as if no acknowledgement is there whatsoever

[46:08]you give them they'll work harder they'll buy more literature they'll research

[46:12]more they'll give back to the community more say that amma hasn't

[46:16]been short of attacks you mentioned the clip about you know taken

[46:21]out of context but there's there's no clips made there's a lot

[46:24]of not a lot actually there's a handful but they you know

[46:28]they start getting sent around and you'll see them attacking you know

[46:33]some some saying you know say that amma's friends with tahiti they'll

[46:36]classify saying ammar is a for example shiraz he said ammar works

[46:41]for the cia say amma's a government agent say you know saying

[46:46]all this stuff you know what do you say about those you

[46:48]know those attacks in there firstly if you're on the public spotlight

[46:53]then you can't expect for everybody to love you if imam had

[47:00]haters then who am i never put a foot wrong he had

[47:10]people insulting him cursing him saying he wasn't a muslim saying he'd

[47:14]even pray so who am i to expect a free ride you've

[47:22]got to expect these things there are certain positions that or situations

[47:28]that may only happen with me may not happen with others where

[47:33]there may be certain personalities who want to take a photo with

[47:37]me they may not take a photo with others so for example

[47:41]when he asks to take a picture with you i'm not going

[47:45]to turn around and say no i don't take a picture with

[47:47]you because you know me and you disagree on a lot of

[47:48]things so i'm not going to take a picture with you he

[47:53]wants to take a picture i'll take a picture does that mean

[47:56]that me and sheikh tell heidi agree on everything he himself will

[48:01]be the first to say that there are many areas that we

[48:04]differ we differ maybe on areas of approach opinion styles but just

[48:10]because people have seen a picture of me with somebody or maybe

[48:14]the other way around somebody with me does not mean that we

[48:21]completely agree with each other's opinions or that we accept every statement

[48:27]that has come out of our mouths you mentioned a couple of

[48:34]other areas apart from cia government agent that's unbelievable you know you've

[48:40]seen i'm sure you've seen one or two clips yeah well you

[48:42]know i think i think that's pretty unbelievable in all honesty i

[48:45]can't even get into america so yeah that it's sad um but

[48:52]that slander always exists look for for goodness sake said come on

[48:55]hayden right now there are people calling him kaffir scholar in his

[49:04]own right you may differ with said kamal in certain areas you

[49:07]could not deny that the man is a scholar he's now being

[49:11]called the kafir how many others can you name me who were

[49:14]also called kuffar quite a few who am i then so if

[49:18]a person is going to come and say that cia and shiraz

[49:25]they're cleared of it just because i have a show or lectures

[49:30]on a channel which may be sponsored by who by the shirazi

[49:37]family i ask people a question what do you know about the

[49:42]background of the shirazi family i come from a background where my

[49:45]grandfather was in charge of ayatollah his office in najaf for 20

[49:51]years of his life so you could say that my background is

[49:55]within the majaya all right allah is standing close with my grandfather

[50:00]close to my grandfather all right allah remain close with my grandfather

[50:03]but okay we now come to pastors new we come to the

[50:14]uk and when we come to the uk we have pockets of

[50:17]people who come from different backgrounds but we're all trying to work

[50:20]together when i come on imam hussain tv i don't come on

[50:25]saying that i'm coming on the shirazi channel i have my differences

[50:30]clearly on some scholars that are not revered by the shirazi family

[50:34]who i refer i revere i come on a channel that may

[50:49]not necessarily revere them if that channel was outright in for example

[50:54]saying that only a certain type of person can come on the

[50:59]channel you'd be no then i wouldn't be on that channel because

[51:00]they know that i revere certainly if they don't revere if now

[51:09]it's allah says that you cannot for example curse the wives of

[51:20]the prophet or curse the companions of the prophet is he saying

[51:26]that that's not in shiite literature or is he saying that such

[51:32]acts are not beneficial for the future of the unity of the

[51:35]muslims in the world today do we find cursing in shiite literature

[51:42]because you can't hide these books anymore they're all available on the

[51:45]internet you want to try and tell people that we shi i

[51:50]don't it's all available online a person can go on pdf the

[51:55]bihar or the wassail or al-kafi or the works of for example

[52:01]ebon powers or the works of for example others such as safar

[52:06]or baraka and so on you can find this in there so

[52:10]don't look at those who bring out things from shia literature and

[52:15]straight away say because you bought out something controversial that means you

[52:21]must be an agent no that's in our books you may have

[52:27]your political worldview which says that i remember for example 2011.

[52:33]um i made a statement that you sitting at home and slandering

[52:36]the companions which are revered by other schools islam is something that

[52:45]is causing the depths of adashiva a few years later when isis

[52:50]was massacring the shia and there were non-shia who weren't batting an

[52:57]eyelid silence in their condemnation i came out clearly and highlighted where

[53:02]i believed was the root of this terrorism that exists people said

[53:08]he's changed before he would never it's not about change there's that

[53:16]time imam believes silence is best there's a time he's like bring

[53:19]it on at jamal and safin what you waiting for there's a

[53:23]time imam assad alaihis speaks rational there's a time he moves to

[53:28]a mystical type of shiism there is an understanding that there are

[53:30]different epochs you look at the world and you look at the

[53:36]context around you what's sad for me is that those who make

[53:37]such clips why don't you approach me and ask me talk to

[53:47]me if you're going to accuse me of being shirazi and i'm

[53:50]doing the vital if you're going to accuse me of this or

[53:52]that no the context the background yeah that's all i wish otherwise

[54:06]can you stop people from having issues with you believe you me

[54:10]there are people who may sometimes have issues with you not because

[54:16]they feel you're a bad person but because of a petty thing

[54:21]that's occurred and they take out the whole thing on you completely

[54:25]and we don't need to delve into that any further i don't

[54:30]think well if sorry i'm i am going to do it you

[54:31]know those that are listening that have made these clips or that

[54:35]have attacked you or they have said things about you you know

[54:37]does it get you does that opposite what would you say to

[54:40]them if they're listening right now they may no i just say

[54:43]to them that listen i'd i'd hope that the base of what

[54:50]we're trying to walk to work towards is to serve the imam

[54:53]of our time we may differ in the way zorara differed with

[55:01]muhammad maybe hashem and muhammad there are companions of our imams who

[55:11]love to serve the imam as in the majority of the names

[55:16]i just mentioned they love to serve the amount of their time

[55:19]but one had an approach that was maybe a bit more direct

[55:23]than the other a bit more forthright than the other a bit

[55:25]more a bit less diplomatic than the other but some were known

[55:30]later on as as the ones who when you see their names

[55:35]in the chains of narrations you automatically would see some sort of

[55:37]authenticity there if therefore we can find that in the companions of

[55:44]the imams they had the same love for the imam but their

[55:48]world view may have differed we have to consider this we have

[55:53]to consider that we may have different world views but we're all

[55:56]insha allah having the same aim and inshallah we sit together one

[56:01]day and have a dinner together even with the detractor because sometimes

[56:06]people may have an image because they haven't met you they have

[56:10]an image about you and i can't help that that you reach

[56:14]a position in your career where it's very difficult to meet everybody

[56:18]who knows you always heard of you but inshallah we come together

[56:21]one day and if we don't come together we think of making

[56:25]70 excuses for one another you know talking talking about approach you

[56:29]mentioned you know the approach of different companions that you mentioned of

[56:32]the imams some you know and you and you brought this up

[56:36]in the the previous question when you said you know you're approached

[56:39]in 2014 when you i think 14 or 15 if i'm not

[56:43]mistaken you know the isis lecture and the rule of terrorism you

[56:48]know some people say you know say that mars approach is now

[56:52]very sectarian he's become a sectarian speaker you know what happened to

[56:57]shia sunni unity what do you say to that female genital mutilation

[57:01]sectarian muslim and gays sectarian woman's rights in islam is sectarian abortion

[57:10]and islamist sectarian adoption in islam is sectarian 98 of the majorities

[57:22]that i've given have never been anywhere near what was may be

[57:28]seen in the lecture about isis or the lecture which later came

[57:33]about the roots of terrorism but there are two issues to bring

[57:44]forth the first issue is those who set the parameter of what

[57:49]sectarian bully us straight away and we become so apologetic what do

[57:56]i mean they'll set the parameters that as long as you mention

[58:03]the following names you're a sectarian speaker and then they'll spread it

[58:09]within your own community don't let such speakers speak because they are

[58:14]affecting shia sunni when their speakers have a lecture that's blatantly calling

[58:22]about or a lecture that has praise for muawiyah that's not sectarian

[58:29]that's fine that's his narrative that's his narrative so i'll have my

[58:36]narrative as well but to say that there's been a change not

[58:39]at all all it is is contextual there was a period isis

[58:44]was there there was massacre of spica somebody had to say something

[58:49]there were non-shia who were blaming it on foreign policy or were

[58:55]beating around the bush same burnings isis did we can see in

[58:59]islamic history and the same oppression to children we can see in

[59:05]early islamic history and just because someone points it out then automatically

[59:08]you're called sectarian and the second problem we have is that our

[59:12]own community because of how apologetic they are they start then labeling

[59:16]you sectarian forgetting the thousands of magillas that had nothing to do

[59:22]with early islamic history and even the early islamic history you mentioned

[59:25]something very important there which is our narrative it's in our books

[59:29]why is it now become a problem presenting your narrative whereas others

[59:34]can present their narratives let's always hear people saying things like you

[59:40]know this is in bukhari and this is a muslim who cares

[59:44]who cares okay i and others may mention it from other sources

[59:52]of literature but i don't really care if it's in bukhari is

[59:55]not a hoja for me muslims not a hajj for me it's

[59:58]like when a person says to you prove to me imam from

[60:01]the quran uh whose tafsir are we going to use of the

[60:07]verses tafsir written by those who praise those who fought imam ali

[60:11]alayhi salam and german suffering no chance they're not going to find

[60:16]the verse for ali so there's no need to be so apologetic

[60:19]find me where is it in in in non-shia literature that i

[60:23]can show them no i've got my literature that's enough for me

[60:28]do you look at certain lectures and say maybe i shouldn't have

[60:31]said that or or i should have said this point differently of

[60:35]course you do of course you do um so we're not infallible

[60:38]we've all made mistakes football player will look back at certain matches

[60:44]and wish that they didn't slip allah gerard they'll look back at

[60:50]certain matches they wish they didn't score on goals and then look

[60:55]back they should have played that pass instead of that pass and

[60:58]naturally i do look back at a couple of lectures i wish

[61:02]i had said that line differently or the words i used i

[61:06]wish that i could go back in time and change them but

[61:09]one thing i do know is that all of it was said

[61:18]with a sincere intention but yeah we're all human and we've made

[61:22]mistakes you know people say you make your points very well in

[61:28]your lecture but why don't you go out and debate those that

[61:31]disagree with you why isn't there more debates taking place i think

[61:34]there's a healthy discourse on uh on youtube where there's many viewpoints

[61:42]which are positive people will call me out to debate me for

[61:48]years um and will continue to do so till the day i

[61:52]die people will call out the top in any sport because they

[62:01]want some way in which either they'll get publicity they'll get people

[62:07]who'll want to view what they've done there'll be a lot more

[62:13]fanfare for them by using your name but i say let the

[62:18]competitors compete you know i've got my lectures online and if others

[62:22]have their material online then let the people choose you know it's

[62:25]a free world and people are able to listen to both and

[62:29]let them make their decision which part they want to choose i

[62:35]remember someone messaged me a few years ago and they said to

[62:40]me that you challenged anyone for a debate and here's the clip

[62:48]from your lecture which was the lecture on the roots of terrorism

[62:52]and radicalism and i was certain that in that lecture i never

[63:01]ever challenged anyone to a debate they said no no hey here

[63:06]here's the clip there's nothing in the lecture on you know on

[63:13]radicalism or radical islam which says that there was a part of

[63:17]a lecture on shia sunni marriages and in there i was discussing

[63:24]how you don't need to be apologetic with the future spouse be

[63:28]ready and say listen you want to debate i'm ready to debate

[63:31]because this is marriage this is the decision you're gonna make for

[63:35]life [Music] they took that part out and they said hey look

[63:41]you said i challenge anyone for a debate let's not waste our

[63:44]time on these issues you know there's a lot more productive work

[63:47]to be done um and i think we need more healthy discourse

[63:52]rather than debate where you antagonize others or you arrogantly put down

[63:59]others let's have healthy discourse maybe looking at bringing different schools of

[64:03]islam together to discuss you know contemporary issues what plans do you

[64:09]have for upcoming lectures any clues you know you can give us

[64:11]on titles well you know i've never ever ever ever revealed my

[64:16]topic to um or my topics to anyone before i lecture in

[64:20]muharram ramadan for example i keep everyone in suspense and that does

[64:24]frustrate some of the team behind the scenes while i think what's

[64:27]the topic what's the topic um but uh more suspense to come

[64:33]just pray that we get to shahada ramadan and muhammad i'm healthy

[64:36]you put the whole team in suspense because we've done work with

[64:39]you and sometimes we're like give us the title for the lecture

[64:41]and okay okay i will do and then we're messaging you give

[64:45]us you do always last year so even yeah yeah yeah i

[64:47]i just don't want anyone to know you know what i'm about

[64:51]to discuss until those last few minutes um i think sometimes you

[64:54]know there are some speakers who'll say here's my ten lectures for

[64:57]the holy month of muharram and then people will be like well

[64:59]i want number one i'm not sure about number four i'm never

[65:02]gonna listen to number seven whereas with myself i'll be like just

[65:07]wait sit back all this is stressful you know alhamdulillah i've been

[65:11]blessed that we've been together doing the majalis from the shahada and

[65:16]then we've done a few other shahadats in different mosques different centers

[65:19]um in london all online alhamdulillah and i was blessed to be

[65:26]part of that but how to say that unwind other than preparing

[65:28]for your lectures because alhamdulillah we've sat down and i've seen the

[65:31]preparation it takes months well we can't reveal every single way in

[65:37]which we definitely who does say that i might keep close well

[65:40]i think firstly we have to make clear that my problems or

[65:45]my stress is so first world real problems and stress are those

[65:52]children have to walk miles to go and get water where places

[65:57]where there's no sanitization there's malnutrition malaria killing people every day that's

[66:05]real stress people who walk in the street i wonder about the

[66:10]next bomb blast that's real stress what's my stress that someone said

[66:15]that i'm a so-and-so or that someone differed with me on a

[66:17]lecture that's not stress yes if it's slanderous then i think slander

[66:22]is not something which is to be taken lightly but uh you

[66:28]unwind you know you've got great family you've got great friends um

[66:33]and we unwind we chill uh you know and uh without their

[66:38]support i'm nothing so what do i do to unwind and there's

[66:42]a number of things which i can't reveal otherwise there's gonna be

[66:44]too many more clips on behalf of obviously progeny podcast we'd like

[66:50]to thank you sayed for making time i'd just like to also

[66:52]let the listeners know that inshallah there be more parts coming up

[66:58]um i was going to do i have so much other questions

[67:01]but i thought maybe try and do a podcast with you every

[67:04]now and then get you back in so charlo will will have

[67:08]a serious there's a lot more about you know one very important

[67:11]question that i had but we didn't have time was you know

[67:13]your work around the universities and bringing the name of the hell

[67:18]bates you know that that that for me i think was something

[67:19]amazing that having the name for example of imam ali alayhi salaam

[67:24]different universities and the lady khadija's name in cambridge so inshallah there'll

[67:30]be more upcoming podcasts inshallah with yourself but before we let you

[67:34]go i've got the quick fire round and i've got some questions

[67:41]just uh some some like banter oh god um if you don't

[67:43]mind we'll do them in like 60 seconds that's why this prop

[67:49]is here you ready yes pakistani food pakistani ronaldo messi ronaldo rolex

[68:06]or ap ap best ever liverpool player stevie g slipped iphone or

[68:17]samsung iphone skydiving or scuba diving [Music] foreign in pakistani yeah i

[68:41]don't think anyone can beat them when it comes to the mata

[68:43]yeah do you think so differently okay if there was a movie

[68:51]made about yourself what genre would it be drama are you a

[68:56]morning or a night person night your favorite hobby why is everything

[69:02]surrounding football say that even though we've got you managed to finish

[69:08]it before though we loved having you here and look forward to

[69:11]the forthcoming ones should be some interesting discussions thank you for your

[69:17]time my pleasure thank you to all the viewers you

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