Debunking Atheism 02 - The Problem of Evil

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Sayed Mahdi Modarresi
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Denying Atheism is a short series by Sayed Mahdi Modarresi. See http://linktr.ee/Modarresi for social media accounts, articles, etc.

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[0:19][Music] we've been addressing atheism a topic that is pertinent relevant and

[0:56]important given the fact that neo-atheism is more powerful today than perhaps

[1:04]it's ever been it has both political power as well as financial

[1:12]backing and atheists have had a free run for the better part

[1:20]of the last century or so and they seem to be on

[1:25]a crusade on a mission to convert everyone to their faith yes

[1:31]i realize that this statement is ironic because they always claim that

[1:42]they are against faith in fact by definition atheism is a philosophy

[1:47]that rejects the very notion of faith in god and in the

[1:56]existence of the creator of the universe but as a famous theist

[2:01]a christian man once said i don't have enough blind faith to

[2:07]be an atheist because to be an atheist you would have to

[2:10]have so much blind faith you would have to build an entire

[2:17]philosophy on a mountain of conjecture and essentially inferences without factual basis

[2:29]and so in the previous uh modulus of the previous session we

[2:35]talked about how the most arrogant position at least from an epistemological

[2:41]perspective the single most arrogant thing to do is for a person

[2:47]to claim that there is absolutely no chance for the existence of

[2:54]god which is essentially what atheists claim right an atheist says that

[2:59]god does not exist they don't even account for the remote possibility

[3:03]of an existence of the existence of a god right as i

[3:08]said there's a difference between being an ignorant agnostic someone saying i

[3:13]don't know one way or the other and an atheist who so

[3:16]arrogantly and audaciously and shamelessly and unabashedly would come out and say

[3:24]that god does not exist definitely right even though they have nobody

[3:31]none of the atheists claims that they have any empirical evidence or

[3:40]scientific evidence that god does not exist right how could you prove

[3:44]a negative it makes absolutely no sense and it speaks to the

[3:46]arrogance of these individuals in fact the existence of allah god the

[3:57]ineffable omniscient omnipotent omni-benevolent creator and originator of the universe is the

[4:05]most self-evident of all facts there's no question that god existed if

[4:11]someone were to open their eyes and by their eyes i mean

[4:17]their faculty of the intellect and their deductive reasoning and looking at

[4:25]all of the signs that fill the universe from top to bottom

[4:28]from left to right everything we see everything we come across is

[4:33]a sign of the existence of allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala and anyone who

[4:40]says otherwise is in fact the farthest individual from any trace of

[4:45]reason or logic why because either god exists as we claim and

[4:53]we have an infinite number of evidences and proofs that he does

[4:58]or the alternative to that assertion is that god doesn't exist but

[5:06]you can never say for sure definitively that god does not exist

[5:13]because once again you need empirical evidence to say that he doesn't

[5:17]exist which is why when the quran speaks about belief in allah

[5:20]subhanahu wa it speaks in the most unequivocal terms allah says is

[5:30]there any doubt that god exists how could you have any doubt

[5:35]if the existence of this pen is proved by what or this

[5:45]book if the proof for the existence of these everyday mundane objects

[5:49]is that they reflect light because light is emitted by the led

[6:00]or by the light bulb or the sun or whatever source of

[6:07]light there might be gets reflected on this and then the eye

[6:14]transmits that light or picks it up rather through the lens and

[6:18]the brain processes that information and says that okay i can see

[6:25]an object or i can see a shadow or i can see

[6:30]some movement happening right and it's based on that that i the

[6:37]brain the nerve center of the body then says that there must

[6:42]be an object with these characteristics with these features it looks like

[6:45]this the shape the size the weight in other words ultimately it

[6:51]is your brain that makes the deduction based on the information that

[6:56]is presented to it from the eye that this object exists now

[7:04]you tell me all of these signs existence itself it's not a

[7:12]reflection of a light source this is not photons moving from one

[7:19]place to another and the eyes picking up that information every single

[7:23]object in the universe screams that i had an original originator that

[7:31]i was created that i was made by an intelligent designer that

[7:37]something brought me into existence how could nothing produce anything again it

[7:46]really doesn't take much contemplation it doesn't require you to be a

[7:52]rocket scientist all it requires you to have is a sense of

[7:55]humility before the truth all it requires is that you acknowledge what

[8:00]is so self-evident again i ask the question how could nothing create

[8:10]anything if this universe was preceded by a state of non-existence which

[8:17]is what all the astrophysicists say that before the big bang or

[8:22]whatever happened at the point of origin at the point of inception

[8:27]before that every single physicist says that time and space did not

[8:38]exist in other words nothing existed then nothing physical nothing that falls

[8:44]within the confines of this universe of this physical universe then how

[8:49]could this universe emerge from nothing of course they've tried and tried

[8:56]they have to come up with convoluted arguments as to how something

[9:04]could emerge from nothing but their interpretation of nothing is different from

[9:10]what you and i understand they say there were quantum fluctuations whatever

[9:16]that means and that's another thing you need to keep an eye

[9:19]out by the way when you're arguing with an atheist when you're

[9:22]at a university setting or you're speaking to someone who tries to

[9:25]convince you that god doesn't exist one thing they'll always try to

[9:29]do is use convoluted complex difficult to understand vocabulary and present you

[9:38]with details that are meant to distract you as the english saying

[9:42]goes the devil is in the details when by presenting these examples

[9:48]for example when they talk about evolution which will be the next

[9:51]subject inshaallah that we'll talk about when talking about evolution they'll say

[9:54]oh we examine this giraffe and in the body of the giraffe

[10:00]there is a muscle all the way down at the base of

[10:06]the neck and we can't figure out what the purpose of this

[10:09]muscle is therefore the design of the giraffe is poor that's another

[10:13]atheistic argument they say argument from poor design that this muscle doesn't

[10:19]seem to be doesn't seem to have any function any useful function

[10:24]therefore the design of the giraffe is poor therefore there could never

[10:29]be an intelligent designer what garbage and nonsensical type of language is

[10:37]this just because you and i cannot understand the function of a

[10:41]particular organ or body part in this case a muscle at the

[10:43]base of the neck of the giraffe how does that disprove the

[10:49]existence of god how does that negate the the need for creation

[10:56]to have an originator how but again the idea is to distract

[11:01]you the idea is to bombard you with useless information to simply

[11:08]make you distracted from the question at the core of this discussion

[11:12]so as i said you have no definitive proof that god does

[11:21]not exist and on top of that logically speaking you can never

[11:28]prove a negative a negative prove it using uh as i said

[11:32]uh scientific arguments right so how do you know for a fact

[11:39]that god doesn't exist you don't it's like the hadith where someone

[11:45]came to him or one of the infallible imams and he said

[11:47]to him where is god i don't believe that god exists because

[11:51]i can't see him i haven't found him so the imam said

[11:55]to him have you been to every single nook and cranny in

[11:58]the universe have you been to every corner of the cosmos have

[12:01]you explored every single place there is to explore in this in

[12:06]this world he said no he said then how do you know

[12:09]in other words the imam isn't telling him that god must exist

[12:13]in some corner of the universe you just haven't found him the

[12:16]imam is trying to remind him of the fact that you are

[12:21]ignorant that you don't even know about your own body you don't

[12:23]even know about your own the cells the the blood that flows

[12:28]the heartbeat you don't even sense it when your body does what

[12:31]it's supposed to do and works so flawlessly you're ignorant and and

[12:36]and oblivious to all of these facts and you're telling me that

[12:40]i couldn't find god wake up the imam is trying to wake

[12:44]him up so an atheist as i said earlier is the farthest

[12:54]thing from intellectual intellectualism and logic even though they flaunt logic and

[12:58]intellectualism as though they have exclusive rights to into the intellect but

[13:04]the fact of the matter is they could not be farther from

[13:08]all of this because how could you close this door shut how

[13:12]could you shut the door to even the possibility of the existence

[13:17]of allah by calling yourself an atheist how and we spoke about

[13:22]the arrogance that they possess think about this imagine if somebody said

[13:26]that i don't believe let's say nuclear submarines exist or i don't

[13:35]believe that nasa sent a spaceship to the moon back in the

[13:43]1960s right there are people out there who believe in conspiracy theories

[13:50]and they say that you know this this whole thing was staged

[13:53]it was filmed in some hollywood studio using props to make us

[13:56]think that uh the nasa astronauts went to the moon and planted

[14:02]the u.s flag there why there's a lot of reasons as to

[14:06]you might want to believe this because the united states was at

[14:10]war it was at the height of the cold war with the

[14:13]ussr and so the u.s needed a victory uh at least uh

[14:19]you know on the on the international stage and so they created

[14:25]this whole story about going to the moon now you might want

[14:30]to believe in this and that's fine it's up to you but

[14:32]imagine if somebody said that there is nothing in the world there's

[14:37]no power in this entire world that could ever convince me otherwise

[14:43]in other words right now i don't have sufficient evidence that there

[14:47]was a moon landing but there was there will never be any

[14:51]evidence that there was a moon landing how could you be so

[14:57]arrogant how do you know maybe there's going to be evidence that's

[14:59]going to be compelling enough that will convince you that the moon

[15:03]landing did in fact happen but what this speaks of as i

[15:08]said is the sheer unabashed arrogance of the atheist case in point

[15:13]is christopher hitchens christopher hitchens had a lot of issues and a

[15:20]lot of problems you know had he not died of cancer he

[15:21]would have needed years of therapy with a psychologist and i'll get

[15:28]to some of those issues but i i think the worst one

[15:32]was the deep-seated resentment of god that he harbored in his sick

[15:40]heart he hated god with a vengeance as a lot of these

[15:44]you know neo atheists do but christopher hitchens was for lack of

[15:50]a better term a professor in in cynicism and mockery and he

[15:58]was considered one of the high priests of the atheist church even

[16:02]to this day and his books are very widely read so once

[16:07]he was interviewed on cnn i want to read you a quote

[16:14]here and uh the person conducting the interview said to him he

[16:17]said look don't you want to head your bets so the idea

[16:22]is this that you're sick you're dying and so you might want

[16:28]to hedge your bets in the sense that it may turn out

[16:31]that god does in fact exist and you might want to make

[16:36]sure that you have both sides covered i know you're an atheist

[16:38]i know you're you're very uh uh you know you're you're you're

[16:45]you're intent on uh trying to prove that god doesn't exist but

[16:47]you know what if he does exist so listen to what he

[16:51]said in response he said the question was do you pray now

[16:58]that you're sick and he said no i don't pray i don't

[16:59]want anyone to pray for me imagine the arrogance he's like i

[17:04]don't pray but i don't want anyone else to pray for me

[17:08]either okay and if you hear that i've converted or started to

[17:11]pray then it's because i'm very ill i'm half demented either by

[17:17]drugs or by pain and have no control over my actions i

[17:21]can't say i wouldn't i would never do such a pathetic thing

[17:26]but not while i'm lucid in other words he says that if

[17:32]you ever hear that at the point of death christopher hitchens started

[17:36]to pray it's because he was not lucid enough he was not

[17:39]in his right state of mind right which reminds me of when

[17:46]those burning in hell speak to the guardian of the gates of

[17:50]hell malik and again with the same level of audacity and shamelessness

[17:56]and arrogance and hubris kaluyama we've had enough pain and misery in

[18:08]hell so malik how about you get your lord your lord not

[18:13]ours get him to annihilate us to completely destroy us because we

[18:17]don't want to experience any more pain make us non-existent again you

[18:21]see the hubris you see the arrogance even in hell they're not

[18:28]willing to acknowledge the existence of god even on judgment day allahu

[18:33]akbar their arrogance is something that continues to shock all of us

[18:40]now what christopher hitchens is doing essentially is he says that i

[18:47]don't care what evidence will be presented to me i don't care

[18:51]what i experience on my deathbed i don't care what i will

[18:55]see what will be revealed to me none of that matters to

[18:59]me i will never believe in god i will never ask him

[19:03]for help i will never pray to him so this goes to

[19:07]prove the point that i made in the previous session about the

[19:11]arrogance of the atheist who is simply unwilling to accept the existence

[19:16]of god no matter what because again the definition of atheism is

[19:21]that god doesn't exist i have no evidence for it but i

[19:25]couldn't care less so be careful when you're ever confronted with people

[19:30]like that so i address the god of the gaps which is

[19:34]an expression made by atheists to address the issue of human kinds

[19:41]lack of knowledge and their attempt to substitute belief in god wherever

[19:47]they have lack of knowledge but we addressed it and we debunked

[19:50]that myth in the previous session tonight i want to talk about

[19:57]another common atheistic argument and it's known as the problem of evil

[20:02]the problem of evil has a long history and many philosophers especially

[20:10]western philosophers have grappled with the problem of evil and many people

[20:15]have left the christian church because of their inability to reconcile these

[20:23]ideas and in a nutshell the problem of evil asserts that the

[20:32]reason or the fact that we have evil in this world whether

[20:38]that evil is caused by natural forces or by human agents in

[20:45]other words whether the evil consists of things like natural disasters earthquakes

[20:50]and floods and whatnot which causes pain and suffering and misery for

[20:54]people who who happen to find themselves in in those places and

[21:02]become victims of natural disasters or if the evil is caused by

[21:09]human agents in other words this is man-on-man crime humans causing suffering

[21:15]to each other deliberately causing pain and misery murder carnage you know

[21:22]domestic and violent abuse and that sort of thing so both of

[21:29]these types of evil the fact that they exist in this world

[21:33]are it is contradictory with a benevolent and omnipotent and omniscient god

[21:43]so that's the argument in a nutshell now this argument seems rather

[21:54]reasonable because if god is omniscient meaning he has knowledge of everything

[21:59]and if he's omnipotent meaning that he has the power to do

[22:03]anything in other words to take away the evil to stop the

[22:08]suffering for example and if he's omni benevolent which means that he

[22:13]is a good compassionate caring god therefore we shouldn't have pain and

[22:19]suffering in the world and as i said many people have grappled

[22:26]with this most of them aren't people who fall for this argument

[22:35]philosophically listen carefully to this most of those who leave the church

[22:40]or who abandon faith in god based on the problem of evil

[22:45]it happens to them on a it affects them on a personal

[22:50]level for example they might have a child and they say that

[22:54]charles darwin went through a phase where he had a young daughter

[23:00]and she was sick and many people don't know this about charles

[23:06]darwin but he abandoned faith in god or his faith in god

[23:10]became weaker as a result of his personal drama his personal trauma

[23:18]that is and so the story goes that his daughter uh was

[23:24]extremely sick and he was struggling with the notion of how his

[23:29]daughter would have to suffer through the sickness and his wife kept

[23:33]telling him that look we have to believe in god we have

[23:36]to keep faith in god and we have to keep praying and

[23:39]whatnot and eventually when his daughter died his own wife abandoned faith

[23:44]in god as well so the only thing that kept him going

[23:48]was his wife and now his own wife threw the baby out

[23:52]with the bathwater as they say and as a result they both

[23:56]lost their faith or so goes the legend but then if you

[24:05]look at other people christopher hitchens himself subhanallah this reminds me he

[24:09]in his book he speaks about his mother and he says that

[24:14]my mother he had a very traumatic and difficult childhood because his

[24:20]mother cheated on his father and she fell in love with another

[24:27]man quote unquote ended up you know leaving the home because of

[24:32]this and at some point because of all the trauma and the

[24:39]drama and the problems that she had she called him and she

[24:40]couldn't find him he was living in the united states at the

[24:44]time she was in the uk and she ended up committing suicide

[24:46]which was a defining moment in the life of christopher hitchens himself

[24:51]right it explains perhaps and and i think he alludes to that

[24:55]in his book he says that part of the reason that i

[24:59]don't believe in god is because i kept thinking to myself how

[25:02]could this happen right this idea of how could this happen is

[25:07]predicated on the philosophical notion of the problem of evil which is

[25:12]the expectation that people have that if god exists then he should

[25:16]have stopped this evil from reaching me he should have stopped me

[25:22]from going through this trauma and this pain and the suffering okay

[25:26]so this is something that exists in fact i uh i know

[25:31]another very famous intellectual uh his name is bart ehrman he's a

[25:35]famous uh bible scholar uh he has written many uh books about

[25:42]uh the real historical jesus he's written books about uh paul of

[25:46]tarsus he's written books about the bible the inconsistencies and whatnot and

[25:51]he says in an interview or a a keynote presentation that he

[25:55]was making he says that i left the faith because of the

[25:58]problem of evil so in other words this problem is one that

[26:04]is rather powerful it's uh it's affected many people throughout the ages

[26:11]uh perhaps more so today than uh before but the problem of

[26:17]evil interestingly enough is not something that many muslims have had to

[26:22]grapple with in other words this is a more christian problem than

[26:25]a muslim problem why the reason is that as far as muslims

[26:34]are concerned the problem of evil is only a problem if you

[26:38]don't believe in an afterlife if you don't believe in other worlds

[26:43]that will come that's when the problem of evil becomes truly problematic

[26:49]otherwise if you believe that this world is only a bridge into

[26:55]the next if you believe and know for a fact that this

[26:59]world is a short transient phase that represents the rehearsal before the

[27:09]wedding it represents the uh the the training before the play it

[27:16]represents the window into the afterlife then the problem of evil is

[27:24]no longer that troubling as muslims we all believe that this world

[27:29]is but a part of a long series of worlds every single

[27:36]day when we pray we say bismillah allah is the lord of

[27:47]the worlds in the plural so this world is only one small

[27:53]part so if there are if there is evil in this world

[27:55]and again i'll talk about evil and its meaning and what not

[27:59]later but if there is evil if you can call this evil

[28:03]then you will be properly compensated in the next world if there

[28:09]is evil in this world then this evil is a trial it's

[28:14]a test it's a phase that we go through in order to

[28:18]be perfected in order for us to grow in order for us

[28:22]to enhance our relationship with god in fact listen to this as

[28:30]muslims and as believers we believe that because of our faith we

[28:37]will suffer even more because of our belief in god we will

[28:44]undergo more trials than those who don't have faith in god so

[28:47]we've never had to grapple with this this was never a problem

[28:52]for us is there suffering in this world yes there is in

[28:55]fact our traditions tell us at dunya this world is but a

[29:03]prison for the believer and a paradise for the disbeliever in other

[29:08]words god won't trouble the disbelievers too much in this world he

[29:13]won't make them go through too many trials and suffering because they

[29:18]they have no capacity to grow suffering is a means for us

[29:23]to grow it is a means for us to seek nearness to

[29:25]god to seek proximity to god this is why muslims have never

[29:33]had to deal with this problem as much as others yes an

[29:36]atheist will use the problem of evil to reinforce their false perceptions

[29:43]in other words he or she already doesn't believe in god they

[29:48]will use evil and suffering as an excuse to further cement their

[29:53]belief that god doesn't exist but if you're a believer even a

[30:00]christian even a jew even a perhaps a hindu even those who

[30:04]believe in revelations and in religions that weren't revealed they almost always

[30:12]believe that there is an afterlife and that it's in the afterlife

[30:17]that we are held to account that we will face our reckoning

[30:22]that evil will be punished and that good will be rewarded there

[30:30]is a beautiful narration which i'll mention not to address the problem

[30:34]of evil per se because again to believe in this you'd have

[30:37]to believe in god to begin with you'd have to believe in

[30:39]the afterlife but many of my dear viewers when they go through

[30:46]suffering when they go through challenges in this life they might be

[30:51]tempted to lean on these atheistic arguments don't listen to this beautiful

[30:59]hadith it says that on the day of judgment those who were

[31:02]poor in this world those who couldn't make a comfortable living for

[31:11]themselves never mind that most poverty is caused by bad policy by

[31:18]governments never mind that the poverty faced in places like africa the

[31:22]middle east and elsewhere and south america is because of centuries of

[31:28]exploitation by imperialistic powers never mind that most of the poverty that

[31:36]we experience in this world today is caused by uh uh human

[31:41]agents and by western nations and what not never mind all that

[31:46]or to radical powers western eastern doesn't matter never mind all that

[31:51]but some people point to a picture of a starving african child

[31:54]and say how could there be god it's absolutely absurd and ludicrous

[31:58]i'll mention this hadith and i'll give you a counter argument to

[32:03]that so the imam says that on the day of judgment a

[32:04]group of people who suffered financially and due to poverty in this

[32:11]world will be shown their position in paradise and their position in

[32:16]paradise will be so exquisite so beautiful so incredible that they will

[32:24]say to god had we known that this is the reward awaiting

[32:30]us in the afterlife as a result of our pain in the

[32:34]world in the dunya we would have asked for more pain and

[32:37]suffering if we knew that our suffering was producing this kind of

[32:44]pleasure in the afterlife that short period of life we spent in

[32:47]this world was going to give us an infinity of joy in

[32:53]what we are able to see now in paradise we would have

[32:57]asked for more allah subhanahu wa ta'ala will say to them if

[33:00]you had more capacity i would have given you more but you

[33:05]didn't in other words had we given you more pain and had

[33:09]we put you had we pushed you further into that corner you

[33:13]would have run out of your capacity and you would probably have

[33:18]abandoned faith so we only gave you as much as you could

[33:21]take the hadith in fact describes the way allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

[33:26]shows them their position and the word uses which i'll translate what

[33:36]it says verbatim and then i'll explain what it means is allah

[33:39]will stand in a manner as though he's apologizing obviously god is

[33:47]not confined to time and space obviously god doesn't have a physical

[33:50]body obviously god has nothing to apologize for right but you know

[33:56]how if you're trying to apologize to someone your brother your friend

[34:00]your spouse you know how you'll go out of your way to

[34:03]buy them gifts and look after them and show them extra respect

[34:07]and just you know go above and beyond what you normally do

[34:11]allah will give you give them so much on judgment day that

[34:16]it's as though he's apologizing and then he will show them their

[34:23]place they will say oh god this is what you've prepared for

[34:25]us this is too much this is so this is way beyond

[34:31]what we expected so if you believe in an afterlife then you

[34:36]believe that whatever happens in this world the suffering the pain the

[34:39]trial whatever it is will not go unaccounted for right allah says

[34:47]that even an atoms wait an atom's weight will be compensated if

[34:56]it's good allah will compensate you for it if it's evil you

[34:59]will have to suffer the pain of that the problem of evil

[35:05]involves tyrants and despots and dictators and killers and whatnot they will

[35:10]have to face the consequences of their actions in the afterlife for

[35:14]every single drop of blood that they shed there's no question about

[35:18]it and if anyone does anything good in this world whether others

[35:23]recognized you for it they saw it they didn't see it it

[35:25]doesn't matter allah observes it and he's and he will reward you

[35:30]for it often times in this world as well as the next

[35:33]right so anyway one of the examples that they present in response

[35:39]to the problem of evil to show how ludicrous and how absurd

[35:46]it is is this imagine you see an airplane flying in the

[35:50]air you look up and you say wow what a beautiful marvel

[35:55]of engineering this is how could a a pile of metal be

[36:01]put together in this precise and exquisite and detailed manner this design

[36:08]is just mind-bending and then for all this metal to then carry

[36:14]humans that allow them to achieve their dream their their historical dream

[36:19]of flying and you say who made this plane is it boeing

[36:24]is it airbus industry is it another manufacturer bombardier and you're like

[36:32]wow what an incredible feat of engineering so while you don't know

[36:38]who designed the aircraft you don't know the manufacturer but you immediately

[36:43]have a sense of all an appreciation for the designer for the

[36:46]manufacturer which again an atheist will look at this world they will

[36:52]look at the eye and the way it's been designed and engineered

[36:56]they will look at the fingers they will look at the body

[36:58]they will look at the circulatory system they will look at the

[37:01]muscles they will look at the nerves they will look at all

[37:06]these things but never stop to ask who created this it's like

[37:08]and i've used this example before imagine you give someone a book

[37:13]that contains precise mathematical equations and and calculations and models and whatnot

[37:20]and they read it and then they never even bother to ask

[37:24]who is the author of the book right they they never bothered

[37:29]to ask who wrote this who brought all this knowledge together it's

[37:32]absolutely absurd and arrogant anyway back to the example of the airplane

[37:39]imagine if then something happens to the plane there's a malfunction in

[37:45]one of the vital systems the wings the engines whatever it is

[37:52]the tail or the pilots for example pass out or die or

[37:56]whatever happens then the plane starts to fall and as soon as

[38:02]it hits the ground it explodes now that's evil wouldn't you say

[38:07]there's a lot of suffering there god knows what the passengers had

[38:12]to go through imagine that same observer that same person then looks

[38:14]at the plane and says oh this plane definitely did not have

[38:18]a manufacturer right why because there is suffering because i just observed

[38:25]evil take place therefore nobody created that plane how absurd is that

[38:30]how do you go from a to b how do you go

[38:36]from this plane just self-combusted and blew up to pieces and it

[38:41]didn't have a creator it didn't have a manufacturer do you understand

[38:46]how ludicrous this is that is at the very core of the

[38:52]problem of evil just because there is evil in the world there

[38:54]is suffering in the world whether that that evil again is caused

[38:59]by natural tectonic plates moving and rubbing against each other floods happening

[39:05]or whatever if it's natural disasters or it's caused by us human

[39:11]beings how does that negate the necessity for this world to have

[39:18]an originator a creator how so you see it's nothing but a

[39:22]distraction it's trying to manipulate you on an emotional level atheists talk

[39:29]about being intellectual they talk about being academic and objective in their

[39:35]approach this is nothing but emotional manipulation emotional sabotage trying to point

[39:42]out suffering that you see in everyday life and using that to

[39:48]make you stop believing in the creator and the originator and the

[39:54]sustainer of the universe allah subhanahu as for the believers as for

[40:01]those under the guardianship of allah the ones we call awliya for

[40:08]them it's the exact opposite the more suffering there is the greater

[40:15]their proximity to allah the more pain they experience the more they

[40:21]turn to god from the beginning from his point of inception but

[40:36]especially since he set out to karbala and headed towards his inevitable

[40:43]fate of dying in the way of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala his

[40:51]connection with god continuously intensified the more he suffered the closer he

[40:58]became to allah such that prior to being slaughtered may my life

[41:06]be ransomed for him was in such a state that his enemies

[41:13]described him by saying that we have never seen someone so so

[41:22]grieving having lost his brothers his children his companions and everyone he

[41:30]had and yet his face was so luminous light radiated from the

[41:34]face of abba because every time he suffered he sought refuge in

[41:44]allah every stab and every strike of the sword and every arrow

[41:49]that penetrated his blessed body brought him closer to god because with

[41:55]greater suffering came greater proximity to allah and it's it's like when

[42:03]someone senses danger coming towards them they look for a place of

[42:08]refuge they look for a cave they look for a place or

[42:10]something that would protect them or a child when a child sees

[42:13]something that scares them or terrifies them what do they do they

[42:17]go to their father they go to their mother every time there

[42:21]was more pain and suffering for imam and hussain he sought refuge

[42:26]in allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and he got closer and closer to

[42:29]him even his family members his companions have you thought about the

[42:37]fact that none of the companions of imam and hussain lost their

[42:41]faith on the day of not a single one of them turned

[42:45]around and said god doesn't exist because of all of this evil

[42:48]not a single one of them said why is this happening to

[42:51]me not a single one of them said that's it i can't

[42:56]have this have this anymore every single one of them the closer

[42:58]they got to imam al-hussein the closer they got to allah the

[43:05]more devoted they became to their cause of protecting the life of

[43:09]abdullah hussain the more proximity they had to their creator the more

[43:17]faith and conviction they built and created on that dreadful day on

[43:22]that most painful day if there was any room for people to

[43:27]abandon faith at god because of a problem because of a breakup

[43:32]because they lost a little bit of money or because they got

[43:34]sick or because they lost a loved one that's the reason most

[43:38]people abandon god and yet imagine what they had to go through

[43:41]on the day of ashura and yet they got closer and closer

[43:47]to allah subhanahu wa ta'ala even the children of abba abdullah hussain

[43:53]even the three-year-old orphan of imam hussain despite her young age i

[44:00]can't for the life of me understand how she could bear all

[44:07]that pain how she could suffer more than anybody at that age

[44:10]could suffer seeing the severed head of her father and what kind

[44:19]of father not just any typical father but imam and yet for

[44:28]her to embrace him and to embrace all of the divine values

[44:33]of every prophet and messenger she awakens in the middle of the

[44:44]night seeking her father because while she'd been told that her father

[44:50]was traveling all along whenever she asked for him quran zainab would

[44:55]say your father is traveling meaning the trip of the afterlife he's

[45:03]gone to the afghan he's gone to paradise because she didn't want

[45:06]to tell her the truth because she couldn't handle that most painful

[45:10]of news and all along the suffering the whipping the lashing the

[45:18]bruises the blisters all of those things she had maintained she had

[45:24]maintained that patience and perseverance but tonight she'd had enough because in

[45:31]her dream she saw her father and as i said perhaps what

[45:34]imam hussain told his orphaned three-year-old is the news that she would

[45:41]be soon enjoying him so she wakes up in the middle of

[45:45]the night listen [Music] imagine you're in a camp with women who

[45:53]are all leaving one for her son another for her husband another

[45:56]for her brother another for her father the second one of these

[46:03]children begins to cry everyone is galvanized into tears everyone burst into

[46:08]crying so the entire camp the entire ruins of sham burst into

[46:12]tears in the middle of the night and that accursed monster his

[46:18]sleep is disturbed because the ruins were adjacent to his palace so

[46:24]he wakes up disturbed why is there sound of crying outside he

[46:30]summons his agents and says what's happening they tell him that one

[46:36]of the orphans of hussein is seeking him she's crying for him

[46:38]so he says take her father to her in other words he

[46:43]knew what that sight would do to the three-year-old orphan of imam

[46:49]and hussain he wanted her deadness he wanted to make zainab grieve

[46:53]even more so than she has been grieving all these days and

[46:57]nights how does he do that he says take the head of

[47:00]imam hussain to his daughter they say some historians have suggested that

[47:08]one of the times when lady zainab begged them was when they

[47:11]brought that bowl with the head of imam and hussain to the

[47:14]camp she begged them she said i will make her go back

[47:19]to sleep i will put her back to sleep don't do this

[47:21]to her they said no the amir the king yazid has said

[47:25]that she has to see this so they bring the mold they

[47:31]uncover it as soon as she sees it she says i never

[47:32]ask for food and so they say no what you seek is

[47:36]inside this wall she uncovers itself and she sees the severed head

[47:42]of allah as i said she had so many things to share

[47:47]with her father she had all that pent up emotions to express

[47:52]to her father she wanted to show him the bruises and the

[47:57]lashes and the blisters and yet she forgot all of that instead

[48:01]she said oh father who cut your head off father i didn't

[48:09]know they did this to you i was hoping to meet you

[48:13]i was hoping to see you i even took that cup of

[48:15]water back to the battlefield saying i heard you cry out for

[48:20]water and i've brought you this water for you to quench your

[48:24]thirst she spoke and spoke and spoke she conversed with her father

[48:29]until eventually her voice became faint and went quiet they thought that

[48:36]maybe she had gone to sleep it was then that imam al

[48:38]abedin told his aunt zainab my aunt go to my sister and

[48:45]carry her for she has died allahu akbar she has now departed

[48:51]this world from the anguish and the pain of seeing her father's

[48:56]severed head and so they take her and they bring a woman

[49:00]to wash and bathe the body they say that that woman came

[49:05]and as soon as she removed the clothes of the three-year-old orphan

[49:10]she said i'm not going to touch this body because i can

[49:14]see signs of disease on her skin they told her that's not

[49:21]a disease those are the bruise marks every time she asks for

[49:23]her father instead of an orphan being being consoled and being comforted

[49:31]this is how orphans are treated if you've ever been to sham

[49:35]my dear brothers and sisters you see all of these shop fronts

[49:38]you see all these toy stores because anyone who goes to the

[49:42]shrine of imam hussein's orphan they buy dolls and they buy toys

[49:48]and they take all these things to the shrine because in recognition

[49:51]that she was only a three-year-old now this is how orphans are

[49:58]treated the world over you when you see an orphan you take

[50:00]a toy you try and comfort them you try and look after

[50:05]them you try and give them consolation and yet every time the

[50:08]orphans of hussein sought their father instead of being comforted they were

[50:13]beaten by those savage monsters they told her these are not this

[50:19]is not the sign of a skin disease these are the bruise

[50:21]marks of these monsters now this was one time when the body

[50:28]made them all cry there was another time also when amir menin

[50:32]was washing the body of his beloved wife only to then stop

[50:38]midway and put his head against the wall and burst into tears

[50:44]said to him you're telling us to be patient you're asking us

[50:51]to be quiet fatima tuzara had left instructions that no one finds

[50:55]out about her funeral you told us to be quiet then why

[51:01]did you burst into tears he told her yes you can't blame

[51:05]me because as i was washing her body i found a recess

[51:11]in her ribs and i realized that her ribs had been broken

[51:14]this whole time but she never told me allah [Music] make us

[51:36]amongst his sincere servants his loyal supporters and those who pave the

[51:41]way for his return in sha allah god

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