Why Debates and Polemics in English Rarely Ever Work || Response to The Sunni Defense

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In the name of Allah,

A response to recent tagging on twitter/strawman fallacy and red herring fallacy by brother Bu Noor from The Sunni Defense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

#PurifiedTruth #HassanAlQadri #ShiaVsSunni

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[0:00][Music] miss Linda will handle it now Oh salat wa salam o

[0:23]allah rasool allah while he early nah well not on a two-timer

[0:27]Allah I am dying no I'm a bad assalamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatu

[0:39]so yesterday I was mentioned in a tweet by a brother that

[0:44]is very active in attacking Shiism very active in trying to refute

[0:49]she as him his name is Bernhard he has a channel that

[0:57]is also all of his content is just attacking Shias him or

[1:01]trying to refute Shiism so he says in the tweet and the

[1:07]reason why I'm doing this video is because I get many questions

[1:10]as to why brother Hassan do you not get involved in some

[1:15]Nisha epidemics as much as you did back in your day so

[1:18]there is a few reasons reason one I realized that it doesn't

[1:22]help you develop as much as you should too it shows it

[1:30]started to bring in attract people that are not qualified to be

[1:36]talking about the other side so I certainly to Komachi Irish I

[1:44]talk about Sony so they're not qualified to talk about these things

[1:47]yet they think they can get involved or you got people that

[1:50]want to be comedians clowns and think by making jokes they have

[1:59]refuted she hasn't or you got people that should be in a

[2:03]mental institution yet you see them trying to attack she as him

[2:06]just to let off some steam so I'm altering this because I

[2:13]feel like this happens a lot they try to divert everything from

[2:17]the actual discussion so he says in the tweet some Twelver Shia

[2:22]scholars such as the teacher of purify purify true FISMA threatening has

[2:28]made the deceptive claim that Sunni belief in a mama is identical

[2:32]to the Shia on a Jeep I created a poster demonstrating the

[2:37]absurdity of this claim now he is talking about the debate that's

[2:44]on this channel the debate between chef Matt Sandman and ashrafilal EEP

[2:51]but the problem here is now I'm not sure if Bravo burn

[2:55]or does not know arabic or doesn't understand arabic or hasn't watched

[3:00]the video públicas has been subtitled the video the debate was about

[3:05]Imam and Azula Dean II mama who knows all a Dean now

[3:13]put a clip of the beginning part where Ashraf very discerning himself

[3:19]that's the beta chef Ahmed that cool chick I met he's the

[3:25]one that says it so watch the clip and shallow will discuss

[3:29]the points of Sheikh Ahmed said in the Quran of Muhammad Rasul

[3:34]edy infamous akanishi wrist nicely obviously for a Haas and mmm a

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[3:43]little if at a shear is nationally comic or Allah says are

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[3:51]in well has he and Emma and that Iqaluit a listener Sharia

[3:55]leha yet whenever a demon will be heard I couldn't miss Minkus

[4:01]Allah I would hide our soul I was the cur oh she

[4:02]had that in there in the law Anna Muhammadan Rasulullah Muhammad Ali

[4:06]memory for Harper Medea Kuala namu 44 well as laments happen then

[4:11]our Australian mock terrifying and Baca firkin was the mean Aloha and

[4:17]even or odd so as you can see I should I forgot

[4:24]himself mentions that the debate discussion is a mama Dean where's this

[4:28]concept of a mama you know Shirley Dean so then chef pharmacist

[4:34]he's like let's start from the beginning like you said what is

[4:37]a soda Dean and then he said his belief sorry exactly the

[4:42]same as what the sheer I believe in a momma and then

[4:46]he what he explains himself that what he means is is that

[4:52]they give the same importance to the Imam of Abu Bakr Umar

[4:55]Uthman and Imam Ali Ali Sam as we do to the 12

[5:01]Imams allakum assalaam he makes it clear and he makes it he's

[5:03]not talking about been in a bar spending on my cuz that's

[5:08]rulership no no he's talking about them that they are and the

[5:12]Imams of guidance the Imams of righteousness and so forth and I'm

[5:18]going to put the clip now of Chef met where he says

[5:28]this it seems like the understood Josefa Mejia al-assad and a monopolist

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[7:54]halacha an unconverted al-qadir doc or a Shia Jean le mamita Aslam

[8:00]menos una de NOS omnes Allah nah no corner B oscillator Ryu

[8:06]Juden Eden Latino patria alle Dalek nah so ali al imam ahmad

[8:17]OODA and echo anna a dairy and universal more deputies cheerfully mama

[8:22]mowjood and al Sunnah wal Jamaa been Apollo habilis Encarta hello son

[8:29]Nettie Ivan ya dirty dunya an L AM amateur astronomy no solid

[8:34]Dean way okay Fiona takfeer on Sally hi men young qle mama

[8:40]belly of tuna be Tetley man and Carol II mama Hanuman Ahava

[8:46]de que la takumu halitosis really jamia more demon al-imam ELISA Emami

[8:53]Latino cumali acetate Daniela model Imam al-hasa a sine alpha to a

[9:03]be Baku Malinois Osman II mama to her una ensalada in the

[9:08]end sooner Michler am a metal a metal is now I shall

[9:13]yeah that we do Nibiru be her we're at a tree Doudna

[9:20]be an astronomy no Sula Dean while UK Fiona moon kill ha

[9:23]ha been yesterday be Rona demo so as you can see chef

[9:29]karma makes it very clear very very clear he's not just talking

[9:34]about that their Imam was identical to us because believe me we

[9:38]don't wanna we don't want to believe in the same identical Imam

[9:41]as them we don't wanna believe in that Imam well for supper

[9:44]money Harry Fein people are bigger are going to sit on the

[9:51]seat of Rasul Allah and command us and lead us that's not

[9:54]that's not what our the need of the Shia regarding her mama

[9:59]is so no no we're not identical I do not think summer

[10:05]luck chef Ahmed has been involved in Sunni Shia epidemics and debates

[10:10]he's debated the Giants of Arizona who are specialists in a package

[10:15]she has a lab the Rahman the Messiah called the wasabi you

[10:19]think he doesn't know this another point is he makes it clear

[10:27]to the to the extent where extent where he's basically saying to

[10:32]you I'm not talking about the rulership when I Omega been in

[10:37]a bus no no no I'm talking about before full of our

[10:39]rush we do not do now because in the in his poster

[10:47]he basically says that it means rulership no it doesn't just mean

[10:51]rulership you believe that the four Imams the four first four caliphs

[10:58]are what Imams of guidance you must follow the Sunnah you must

[11:04]follow the Sunnah and our explaining as we are going on and

[11:08]then he says it's not part of fundamental it's not fundamental part

[11:13]of religion a Jeep a Jeep yeah and do I need to

[11:20]give suddenly I see the lessons before I start discussing and then

[11:23]they ask you why do not get involved in some Nisha epidemics

[11:26]this is why then he says not considered creed who are Java

[11:35]what books are you reading and if you don't know the basics

[11:38]of your own earth leader how do you expect me to sit

[11:44]with you and then have a dialogue back and forth I would

[11:46]have to give you a painting lessons in your own Creed and

[11:54]then start discussing I'm going to repeat the same report a chef

[11:59]AHIMA dip here in Shara a soul the God hello Sunnah wal

[12:09]Jamaa by another kai he's a fifth century scholar he says when

[12:16]he's basically explaining the aid of a national Jamaa through the words

[12:27]of mahatma Raji I be heart Marazzi and a boozer ah grazie

[12:29]so a Rossi a hadith Anna Abu Muhammad Abdul Rahman bin ABI

[12:37]Hatim so the son of ABI Hatim arrazi sell to a be

[12:43]a bazaar and Matabele you sooner feel a Sulha Dean feel Sula

[12:53]Dean let me repeat one more time feel solid Dean no repeat

[13:01]with me feel so let Dean look what he says he says

[13:09]I asked my father Abbas aura about the beliefs of a solution

[13:14]regarding the principles of religion also lat Dean and what the scholars

[13:22]across the lands have agreed upon they both said we have met

[13:25]the scholars from across the lands hey Johnson why are our and

[13:31]watch our men why M&N and they all agreed that faith is

[13:37]both by tongue and by action it increases and decreases the Quran

[13:40]is the word of Allah in its entirety and it is not

[13:46]created faith with a good so father whether good or bad is

[13:51]all from Allah and the best individual among the Ummah after a

[13:56]Sulha LA Zoo Abu Bakr Siddiq then Omar then Othman then Ali

[14:07]bin Abi Talib alayhi Salam I'm Sonali sana they are the rightly

[14:16]guided caliphs Oh home hoola far Russia dunal makehuman do I even

[14:25]need to go further it seems like the brother hasn't even understood

[14:35]what a Sulha green means again refer to surah hawea by chef

[14:39]saleh ali sher page 7 I'm going to put a clip from

[14:48]his lectures on his commentary of a media to Baja women al-mar'u

[14:54]when I say Ruby directly my back when I had a poppy

[15:02]allison allah al as you see he says fair even for a

[15:07]then Who am I after Purdue diminisher at Dean so he says

[15:10]so and then he mentions the quote or the words of sheriff

[15:15]Mahoney when he says and what they believe from the principles of

[15:20]religion or soul a Dean who sold a Dean alcohol so the

[15:26]shares starts to do commentary on the words of a Baha'i where

[15:34]he says and what they believe from the principles of religion because

[15:39]in the introduction of a paid a tapa hawea share the power

[15:42]he basically says whatever's in this book is form a super daddy

[15:51]Thunder well Jabbar so that means it's form a sword Dean and

[15:55]he mentions the falafel Abu Bakr Omar Othman an imam ali ali

[15:59]it's enough he says so share Sal holly chef the intended meaning

[16:08]by it is principles of faith that are known suelen iman that

[16:14]are known for the sunnis great and related matters and what the

[16:23]people of the sun opposed the people of innovation will not all

[16:32]alaikum darshan and not oppose us by saying that abu bakr is

[16:37]the first khalifa and he's right by the understanding of Asherah dean

[16:41]that it is a ask so soul comes from word ask assalamu

[16:47]you've nana is right because why they have built upon this origin

[16:52]this principle and that how come is that you are by majority

[16:59]of the sunni Adama if you reject the kunafa of abu bakr

[17:01]umar uthman o imam mahdi alayhi salam you are a kafir but

[17:05]more specifically the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar so this is

[17:11]the understanding for sure Dean so it seems like who nor has

[17:17]it understood it how are you turning around and you are saying

[17:20]to me that it is not from the fundamentals it's not from

[17:28]the Creed have you not read ya any well no this is

[17:32]this is a major problem within this whole discussion of polemics between

[17:37]Sunnis and Shias everyone thinks that they can argue one or two

[17:43]points that become what specialists and this thing may say er I

[17:47]am even if you refer back to if my memory serves me

[17:54]right when he starts to discuss a chef I check on a

[17:56]chef chef Sal hardship when he starts to discuss the whole discussion

[18:01]of Abu Bakr Omar Othman the caliphate he says as well in

[18:08]the same book what memory says you write page 300 no 635

[18:17]he says that that it has become part of the Atty there

[18:21]then it touches not fundamental ha Jeep and then he says you

[18:26]know he says also in the poster I'll put it on the

[18:32]screen in sha allah he says that so he puts she add

[18:35]the Sania mama and then the Shia Imam here he says that

[18:39]it just means rulership like we said chef ahem is talking about

[18:46]and for fr irrational mcdoon the first four caliphs and if you

[18:51]look if you refer back to Jannah normal heck mabye even Rajab

[19:00]and hand belly Alma daddy you would see he states in the

[19:03]book so when he is discussing this specific hadith by the Prophet

[19:07]says cling on to my son and the son of Allah for

[19:11]us we do Normandy on he says the Sunnah is the path

[19:18]followed and it includes his rightly guided caliphs beliefs and acts and

[19:23]sayings and this is the complete son so it's not just rulership

[19:33]he's not just ruling you these individuals the first four caliphs in

[19:37]history Abu Bakr Umar Uthman and Imam Ali and more specifically about

[19:41]working on Omar you have to follow that sooner we have to

[19:45]cling unto their son in what beliefs acts and sayings and anyone

[19:54]that studied Masek faith would see that many of them are based

[19:58]upon the sayings or acts or the first four caliphs so as

[20:06]you can see it Ben Ben Raja Bell hand belly he is

[20:09]saying to us that it is part of a key thing you

[20:13]know even in the same page as you can see as I

[20:17]often sit on the screen in sha allah he says he says

[20:22]that the motor serene so the later scholars they what they would

[20:25]say that Sunnah is a sulla Dean so anything that the Prophet

[20:32]says becomes a key there you have to believe in it especially

[20:36]the Santa Fe school may work for them camera what Hadees at

[20:40]either if it's been verified that comes back to the Prophet you

[20:46]have to believe in it even MA says that if it has

[20:50]been confirmed and shown and the proofs have been shown that this

[20:53]cover alwa had has become heard Janet's been said Boris when you

[20:57]reject or cover you are a kafir so he continues in his

[21:05]posture so as we have proven its from the fundamentals it's from

[21:10]the Creed actually make hopeful on those who don't believe in the

[21:15]kunafa of these individuals Howie and hasha tapa hawea he says if

[21:27]someone denies the leadership of a Sudhir a Sudhir he is a

[21:32]kafir lock the one who deny Dallas raah you refer back to

[21:45]the tafseer over horribie same thing he says he says and there

[21:50]is a consensus about that so the successorship of Abu Bakr to

[21:57]the Prophet so there's a consensus form the Companions now if someone

[22:01]says to me I'm sure that would try to pull this one

[22:06]off is no but we don't believe that the furniture have eva

[22:08]another normal we know that no the discussion wasn't about infallibility nor

[22:11]was it about how they were chosen it was a momento solely

[22:17]Dean we know and we know that they want you don't believe

[22:20]they were divinely chosen some minority group of the Sunnis believe that

[22:26]he was chosen by Rasul Allah Abu Bakr was chosen by us

[22:29]with it now but the consensus is jamar of the scholars or

[22:32]iijima of the Sahaba more specifically becomes a Hodja and whoever denies

[22:40]the edema is a kafir the consensus about and there remain no

[22:44]one in opposition this is the words of Al Farabi and whoever

[22:47]slanders his caliphate he is condemned for his error and sin but

[22:53]whether he becomes a calf or not there is a disputable and

[22:58]the correct opinion is that he becomes a comfort [Music] [Applause] even

[23:04]- even her journal - Ian Hislop and Martha he says in

[23:09]meth head of IB hanifa whoever denies the Caliphate of ABI bakr

[23:13]and omar he is a car fear even alpha mom and Hanafy

[23:21]whoever denies the caliphate of abu bakr umar is a car fear

[23:30]refer to his book petrol 'dear jung-hwa Jabar are you going to

[23:34]sit there and tell me it's not from the fundamentals when you

[23:36]become a copper my erm are you living Maisie R because you

[23:47]don't know you are making these conclusions because you don't know you

[23:54]are basically lying against the Shia I'm not going to say intentionally

[23:58]I'm not going to say that Charlie you don't you have good

[24:01]intentions but this is a velop and I'll be honest to God

[24:06]I usually answer to people that are not and that are not

[24:09]students of knowledge what do I mean I mean when it comes

[24:14]to Sunni Shia polemics it's important that someone knows his own earth

[24:19]neither his own sciences and the sciences and the foundations of Shia

[24:24]school but if I'm going to have to come and then be

[24:30]a teacher for you to teach your own art either then it's

[24:33]not going to work it can't be that way yeah Annie you

[24:38]can't be someone trying to be at the forefront of attacking schism

[24:41]but then you don't know Sharon but then you don't even know

[24:47]your own Creed which is even worse so my advice to you

[24:50]brother Renaud may Allah bless you and guide you and guide us

[25:00]all insha'Allah study read a snuff SEC and don't get too evolved

[25:06]in Sunni Shia polemics when you don't know yourself I won't be

[25:10]replying any more because I don't feel it's necessary and I'm too

[25:14]busy to be you know dealing with and with all due respect

[25:22]stupidity like this I don't have the time so in sha Allah

[25:25]Ta'ala this video gets to you may Allah bless you guide you

[25:33]sha Allah we will remember you in our das da da la

[25:37]la la annachi hidden our Muhammad when he beat ahead by giving

[25:40]up our heavy

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