US Veterans Sailing to Gaza Will Soon Face Israeli Confrontation

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The Global Sumud Flotilla is entering its most dangerous stage. The Ohwayla, a boat crewed by U.S. veterans, is now in the final leg of its journey toward Gaza, heading into the “red zone” where Israel has previously intercepted flotillas attempting to break the blockade. Greg Stoker, a U.S. Army veteran and outspoken anti-war activist joins TMJ News with the latest updates. 🔔 Subscribe to our YouTube to stay up to date with our latest productions If you enjoy TMJ News content, please support our work here: ►https://tmj.news/support/ Facebook ►: https://www.facebook.com/tmjnewsnetwork Instagram ►: https://www.instagram.com/tmjnewsnetwork/ Patreon ►: https://www.patreon.com/tmjnewsnetwork Tik Tok ►: https://www.tiktok.com/@tmjnewsnetwork?_t=ZP-8uDi4YA3iPO&_r=1 Podcast ► Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-political-current/id1782478753 ► Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1sq6995S3lAOcEMPuxRDQ8

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[0:00]If you look a 14 m boat, we don't have that much.

[0:05]You know, we are use it doing the best we can to

[0:09]try to do what our governments should be doing.

[0:12]And what we want to do is to prove a precedent that

[0:14]it can be done so flotillaa after flotilla after flotilla can come

[0:19]in and reinforce a humanitarian corridor into a people facing annihilation.

[0:24]>> And welcome to another special episode on today's political current podcast.

[0:30]If there was a boat full of US veterans that had been

[0:33]sailing for a month carrying critical humanitarian aid to a given location,

[0:37]media outlets here in the US would be all over it cuz

[0:42]pretty important story and probably the most American story you could find.

[0:45]But not this group of veterans.

[0:47]They are on a boat, a part of the Global Simude Flotilla,

[0:49]the largest ever civilian maritime mission heading toward Gaza with critical humanitarian

[0:55]aid.

[0:56]and they are in the final leg of their journey entering the

[0:59]danger zone inching closer and closer to their destination and where previous

[1:04]flotillas had been intercepted by Israeli forces and its members detained.

[1:07]Greg is going to give us the latest updates right before they

[1:11]are getting to this critical period within hours and he's going to

[1:17]tell us what he predicts will happen as well as what the

[1:20]greater goals for this historic mission are.

[1:29]Greg, thank you so much for joining us on TMJ News again.

[1:33]I know this is actually a very critical time for you guys.

[1:35]Can you walk us through briefly the latest updates on your situation

[1:39]right now?

[1:40]I know it's changing probably quite literally by the minute, but what's

[1:44]it looking like?

[1:44]>> So, right now, uh, we are just we are north longitudinally

[1:51]um of port side in Egypt.

[1:55]So, we're about 230 odd nautical miles away from the shore of

[1:59]Gaza.

[2:00]Uh, the interdiction zone from the Israeli Navy begins about 150 miles

[2:04]out uh based off of past flotillas and when they um assailed

[2:10]the uh other ships in international waters in contravention of uh international

[2:13]maritime law.

[2:14]Uh so, that's kind of what we're looking at.

[2:17]We at the time of this recording, we're about 10 hours out,

[2:25]I'd say.

[2:22]Um, we expect to uh cross into the uh the red the

[2:28]red zone about 4 a.m.

[2:29]local time.

[2:30]>> And so the red zone, tell us a little bit about

[2:33]it.

[2:34]What circumstances are you expecting right now going into that?

[2:36]>> All right, so the current update is that the Italian ships

[2:40]are kind of backed off.

[2:40]Uh the Spanish uh boat is going uh naval vessel is going

[2:46]to meet with us briefly and stay just outside of the red

[2:49]zone 150 miles in to render uh humanitarian assistance if that's required.

[2:54]Uh the Turkish vessels have departed.

[2:57]They took one of our crew uh who whose ship was taking

[3:02]on water so had to be evacuated and they handed those packs

[3:05]off to the Red Crescent.

[3:09]But now we just have uh Turkish drones above at night to

[3:11]keep watch.

[3:12]Uh very little in terms of deterrence.

[3:14]Uh but you know what's happened so far has been unprecedented.

[3:16]So if you if you track the entire uh history of the

[3:21]messaging coming out of Israel with regards to the flotilla.

[3:22]First, you had uh Minister Ben Gvere, who obviously says a lot

[3:28]of out-of- pocket things, uh said that we were going to be

[3:32]put into long-term terror detention or terror prisons uh in order to

[3:35]deter activists from ever trying something like this again.

[3:38]Obviously, that was not the actual states uh line, the Israeli Kinesis

[3:42]line.

[3:43]Uh so we didn't really play pay much attention to that but

[3:47]the ministry of diaspora affairs put out a couple weeks ago a

[3:51]quoteunquote intelligence report uh saying that you know the flotilla was an

[3:55]extension of Hamas and its information operations in order to whitewash a

[3:59]terrorist organization under the oposes of a humanitarian aid mission.

[4:03]Now I have a background in military intelligence.

[4:06]I went through the entire report did went through the entire bibliography.

[4:10]It's just straight propaganda about they they've got nothing.

[4:14]Uh it's all completely baseless.

[4:16]And uh I will remind people that the Ministry of Diaspora Affairs

[4:22]is not an intelligence collection or analysis entity.

[4:24]It is a propaganda arm of the Israeli state to connect uh

[4:31]Jews, specifically Zionists in the diaspora to the state of Israel.

[4:34]Not just um uh Jews, but also our representatives.

[4:39]you know, uh we just had uh 50 states, one Israel conference

[4:42]where they shipped over 250 US elected representatives uh to Israel last

[4:46]week in order to shore up relations and push and lobby for

[4:49]anti-BDS legislation in the United States.

[4:52]Um so that's what we were the entity that we're waging an

[4:57]information war against.

[4:57]We definitely won the comm's war and something unprecedented has happened in

[5:02]in that Spain and Italy while doing very performative taking very performative

[5:07]steps to support the flotillaa.

[5:08]It's something that hasn't happened before and it's drawn Spanish, Italian and

[5:13]now Turkish assets into conflict or confrontation for the first time even

[5:18]if it is a little performative with Israel.

[5:20]So I think what's interesting right now is that and and one

[5:23]of the reasons that you know my NPR interview got cancelled and

[5:27]some of my other interviews got cancelled in recent days because Western

[5:31]media doesn't really want to report on this because you know from

[5:36]an epistemological perspective in terms of like journalism they don't really believe

[5:41]that activists or activism movements have a role or can move geopolitics

[5:45]at all.

[5:47]You know what moves geopolitics is uh states forums like the UN,

[5:52]Davos, the G7, but we have been able to influence policy within

[5:58]the Mediterranean over the past couple months.

[5:59]And I think that should be encouraging to everyone that the needle

[6:02]is moving.

[6:03]Uh the United States will always back Israel unconditionally.

[6:07]Unconditionally.

[6:08]We will let that anchor drag us down into the depths.

[6:13]But Europe is still in play.

[6:15]And what's happened and what we've seen with Spain and Italy to

[6:18]some extent is Europe kind of using this and other humanitarian efforts

[6:26]to gain some semblance of legitimacy back and also to have a

[6:31]foreign policy separate from the United States and give way to like

[6:34]some of their vassalhood under the US empire.

[6:37]So a lot of interesting things have happened.

[6:41]Of course, this is a low slong uh low long fight uh

[6:43]slow long fight.

[6:45]Excuse me.

[6:44]I've been up for a while.

[6:46]Uh but yeah, a lot of interesting developments and I think everybody's

[6:49]engagement and support on this issue has really helped move things internationally

[6:54]>> and you just mentioned, you know, mainstream outlets, US mainstream outlets

[6:57]and you know, your interview getting cancelled.

[7:00]But another fact which is interesting and a lot of Americans might

[7:04]be concerned about as well is you right now are a boat

[7:08]full of US veterans.

[7:08]there are other US citizens on the other boats as part part

[7:13]of this flotillaa.

[7:12]You would assume that a country like the United States if its

[7:15]own citizens and its own veterans, people who have served in the

[7:20]US Army like yourself in the Marine Corps like others are on

[7:23]this boat and regardless of where they're going, let's say they're going

[7:26]to even another country, regardless of where they're going, these are US

[7:30]citizens.

[7:31]Have you guys received any, you know, calls or anything from US

[7:34]officials regarding, you know, providing for your safety as would be the

[7:37]responsibility of any government to ensure for their citizens?

[7:41]>> We have nothing institutional and nothing coming from the Trump administration.

[7:45]Uh we wouldn't expect that.

[7:46]Uh you know, our diplomatic envoy, our ambassador to Israel is Mike

[7:50]Huckabe, a Christian evangelical Zionist who has never uh who did not

[7:56]help the crew, the US passport holders or offer consularor support to

[7:59]them.

[7:59]them on the Hamda or the Madlin before you know Chris Smalls

[8:02]was detained and other other activists from the United States.

[8:05]Zero help zero contact with them.

[8:08]So we don't expect any diplomatic support from our country.

[8:12]That's from the administration.

[8:13]However, about 15 to 18 elected representatives, uh, Rashida Talib, Senator, uh,

[8:20]Senator Van Holland, uh, Summer Lee have written to the State Department

[8:24]advocating for, uh, you know, the flotilla to be protected in the

[8:30]US citizens and veterans aboard to be returned safely to the United

[8:34]States in the event of an illegal kidnapping upon the high seas.

[8:39]So that's unprecedented as well.

[8:40]So these, you know, the pressure is working slowly.

[8:43]Unfortunately, it's too slow for the people in Gaza suffering the final

[8:47]solution with the assault on Gaza City.

[8:49]Um, but no, we we have had some um some real material

[8:58]moves from US officials inside of our own uh pol uh uh

[9:01]political uh establishment.

[9:04]Now, will that what will that translate to?

[9:07]Not really sure, but it took a lot of grassroots movement and

[9:10]ad advocacy to get this all in place.

[9:13]>> Right.

[9:13]And so in the event that, you know, I'm assuming you guys

[9:17]are expecting everything from being arrested to being questioned to being, you

[9:21]know, deported even in the event that these things do happen, what

[9:24]can these, you know, officials themselves, can they do anything to help?

[9:28]And, you know, do you expect any of that coming from them?

[9:31]>> No.

[9:32]Uh, I mean, they can pressure somewhat, but there's just not enough

[9:36]of them.

[9:35]the only people that can help are y'all, you know, the US

[9:40]citizens.

[9:41]You know, we I wanted to put this veterans boat together um

[9:43]in order to kind of use us because of our, you know,

[9:48]militarized society.

[9:48]We have a certain amount of social and cultural capital as military

[9:51]veterans, like use us as a political lever to put more and

[9:56]more pressure on the US government and its support of Israel when

[9:59]they illegally detain a bunch of dis uh a bunch of honorably

[10:02]discharged US service members.

[10:07]um illegally.

[10:06]Uh so yeah, use us as a lever, pressure your representatives, call,

[10:10]write emails, do uh show up at your town hall or your

[10:15]city hall.

[10:16]You're not going to get a better chance um to apply pressure

[10:18]right now than the flotillaa getting assailed upon the high seas.

[10:21]So that's going to happen in the next couple days.

[10:24]We're going to still be held over the weekend.

[10:28]Um if you if you're about it um and you want to

[10:32]just stop existing solely on social media, please get involved.

[10:34]uh you're not going to have another better opportunity than this to

[10:38]apply pressure.

[10:38]>> And one other thing that you've said and I think is

[10:41]really important especially for an American audience that oftentimes questions all right

[10:44]so you know we live here in America and we're told in

[10:48]our media and the government whatnot that everything the US and its

[10:52]allies are doing abroad uh especially and including uh Palestine is supposed

[10:56]to be protecting Americans at home.

[10:58]You've also frequently said the opposite.

[10:59]you've said actually what what we're doing abroad is going to come

[11:03]back and hit us at home.

[11:04]Why would the average American right now care about this?

[11:07]>> You know, I think I'm going to bastardize this quote by

[11:11]Edmund Burke who was a uh a British statesman during the colonial

[11:14]era in the British Raj.

[11:18]He he said something like, you know, beware the breakers of laws

[11:21]in India become the makers of laws in England.

[11:24]uh you know impunity abroad leads especially with our own laws uh

[11:28]leads to impunity at home.

[11:29]And as veterans we know that you know whatever violence we do

[11:35]overseas, whatever forms of colonialism and repression we implement overseas on countries

[11:39]in the global south always always are implemented almost instantaneously back home.

[11:45]And Palestine is a great example of that because we because Israel

[11:49]itself, you know, getting away from stupid ZOG conspiracy theories.

[11:53]It's literally an extension of the US Empire to destabilize the region,

[12:00]wage adventurous wars and destabilization operations to carve up West Asia into

[12:06]vassal states that will allow the US empire and western capitalists to

[12:10]exploit their people and resources.

[12:11]It's what it is.

[12:13]And we can see that with the Gulf States.

[12:15]We can see that with other states.

[12:18]We can see that with Syria right now.

[12:19]Um a great example of that.

[12:20]You know, they're going to normalize with Israel at this junction, of

[12:23]course.

[12:23]And so is the Lebanese government doing a push for that as

[12:26]well.

[12:27]Um this begins and ends with the US empire.

[12:32]This is our violence.

[12:32]Um so the same technology that used to enforce in spyware and

[12:39]policing techniques and predictive policing models tested in the West Bank used

[12:43]to enforce occupation and apartheid in Palestine is at a literally at

[12:49]a local police department near you.

[12:51]And after two years of unmitigated genocide, our cops are literally they

[12:55]they are always acted like the IDF, but now they're really acting

[12:58]like the IDF in terms of ICE extrajudicial arrests, no accountability, administrative

[13:04]detentions, disappearances.

[13:06]Um and it's not just that you know uh because Israel has

[13:12]been able to attack states and diplomatic individual individuals and whatever target

[13:19]it wants outside of its own borders and the world just accepts

[13:22]it.

[13:22]We are starting to do under the Trump administration things we've never

[13:26]done uh with Venezuela.

[13:30]We literally killed an entire boat full of 11 people fishermen.

[13:33]I have a background in special operations and let me tell you

[13:36]those were not a drug boat.

[13:39]Drug boats only have two gun runners and a navigator or a

[13:42]helmsman, three people max.

[13:42]We hit a boat full of civilians in order to their fishing

[13:47]industry uh and to dog whistle to you know their Christian nationalist

[13:50]base that you know we could start doing this in the United

[13:52]States as well.

[13:54]So whatever again just to bring it all back home whatever we

[13:58]do overseas comes back home because if it works for implementing the

[14:02]will and the rule of the work of the ruling class abroad

[14:05]why wouldn't they use those same tactics techniques and procedures back home

[14:09]>> and one other you know kind of framing that's come about

[14:12]regarding the global sumud flutella including the boat that you guys are

[14:16]on right now is this idea that this is no longer just

[14:20]a civilian effort of taking humanitarian aid.

[14:24]It's quite literally a boat full of people who are carrying the

[14:27]conscience of the world.

[14:28]And I think that was a very deep way to phrase it.

[14:31]What has this meant for you, Greg, as someone who, you know,

[14:32]you're you're reaching toward the, you know, final stages of this journey?

[14:37]I know you've been involved for a very long time now, but,

[14:40]you know, embarking on this sea journey, this sea mission.

[14:41]What has it meant for you personally?

[14:45]>> I don't know.

[14:47]I We all have our role in our place in the struggle

[14:51]for collective liberation.

[14:51]I'm just someone who's just always finds himself kind of like on

[14:56]the front lines sometimes.

[14:56]So, this is kind of like my natural place where my skill

[14:58]set works.

[14:59]U for other people, it looks completely different.

[15:03]I'm not a organizer.

[15:04]I can't do that on the home front.

[15:06]I just it I just can't.

[15:10]So, we all have a role.

[15:11]Mine's here.

[15:12]And um you know I think you know it seems important it

[15:15]seems symbolic but what's actually really important is what you guys do

[15:19]back in in the United States.

[15:23]You know this is a symbolic act that has global political ramifications

[15:27]to some extent.

[15:29]But again this ends with the US and it's only going to

[15:32]end with the US when people in the US start disrupting these

[15:36]power structures and that means hitting the money.

[15:38]Uh I think the strike of the Italian dock workers um in

[15:45]solidarity with the flotillaa in parallel action with the global sim flotilla

[15:49]was devastatingly effective.

[15:49]That's why they launched a couple warships temporarily just so it didn't

[15:55]happen again.

[15:56]You know that's why the um Italian government tried to do some

[16:00]duplicitous stuff by getting the Catholic Church involved.

[16:04]Oh my god, don't even get me started.

[16:06]uh beyond the scope of this conversation uh because it worked.

[16:09]Um withholding labor and labor power is the only thing that checks

[16:13]the exploitative capitalists that determined this US foreign policy and domestic policy.

[16:19]So we uh in America need to get that power back.

[16:23]We had it during the Vietnam War and it was systematically crushed

[16:26]after that.

[16:26]That's the only check we have.

[16:30]So yeah, this flotilla is symbolic and I hope it shows people

[16:32]that you know activist movements and grassroots movements can move international politics

[16:38]and you know civil disobedience in the form of organized labor and

[16:45]can actually shape domestic policy as well because you know we see

[16:48]you know Palestine and the genocide in Palestine as an international assault

[16:52]on the working class.

[16:54]You know, I think a great example is right now it's just

[16:58]announced that a bunch of Israelis are launching a counterflotilla uh to

[17:02]to sail in front of the US embassy in Tel Aviv.

[17:05]And if you want to talk about performative activism, go ahead because

[17:09]they are the imperial power structure.

[17:10]But um you know >> Yeah.

[17:14]And so they they have a bunch of 75 private boat owners.

[17:19]The Israeli Yacht Association is also involved.

[17:22]And I was just like, "Wow, a bunch of, you know, moneyed

[17:25]genocidal yacht owners protesting for more famine, you know, against a flotilla

[17:31]of just a bunch of broke humanitarian activists, some of whom don't

[17:35]have a job to come back to and ramshackle seahawks trying to

[17:40]uh deliver baby formula.

[17:41]If you're looking for a better example of like transnational or international

[17:48]class struggle, I would uh I'd be hardressed to find a better

[17:51]one.

[17:50]Just to clarify, has there and there have been many many flotillas

[17:55]that have, you know, and you can clarify the number, but that

[17:58]have actually sailed.

[17:58]Has there been an instance where the humanitarian aid has actually reached

[18:01]and like made it to the destination or have they always just

[18:07]been intercepted?

[18:06]>> Uh, no.

[18:08]Uh, about five have reached.

[18:11]No, no international press.

[18:12]We're actually we actually have the flag, one flag on the ship

[18:15]that made it to Gaza.

[18:17]I think they took it down below.

[18:20]Uh, but yes, they have.

[18:19]But again the goal is um to establish a humanitarian corridor like

[18:24]if you look a 14 meter boat we don't have that much

[18:30]you know we are use it doing the best we can to

[18:34]try to do what our governments should be doing and what we

[18:37]want to do is to prove a precedent that it can be

[18:41]done so flotillaa after flotilla after flotillaa can come in and reinforce

[18:44]a humanitarian corridor into a people facing annihilation.

[18:49]So um yeah this is just the first step and I think

[18:52]we've been no matter how this ends I think we this has

[18:57]already been a mission success.

[18:58]>> Absolutely.

[18:59]And one other, you know, recently we've seen and I want to

[19:03]get your thoughts on it as well, how several Western nations, European

[19:06]nations even, for example, the UK, France, Belgium, um, even countries like

[19:11]Canada, Australia, they've recognized, you know, a Palestinian state, whatever that means.

[19:15]But you've also had the UN that has come out after all

[19:20]this time and said, "Yes, we now acknowledge that Israel had been,

[19:24]you know, conducting a genocide in Palestine all along." What do you

[19:28]think all of this even means right now?

[19:30]Does it have any meaning?

[19:31]Because I think for me, seeing, you know, the the Simoon flotillaa

[19:36]and the many, you know, similar boats that are now sailing, that

[19:40]to me says all of this, you know, performative politics has failed

[19:44]and it's gotten to a point where civilians themselves are saying, "Hey,

[19:48]our government bodies, our international bodies that, like you say, we're supposed

[19:51]to be doing this, none of them are doing anything." after all

[19:55]this time, they're now coming and saying, "Hey, we we might be

[19:58]able to say something was something was happening.

[19:59]There might have been a genocide." So, what what do you think

[20:04]is there any value behind this anymore >> uh behind these international

[20:07]institutions?

[20:10]>> Uh probably some, but we uh we're in an inflection point.

[20:14]Things are never going to go back to the way they were.

[20:18]Uh there's a word for it interregnum.

[20:20]You know, I forget the quote.

[20:21]You know, the old world is dying and the new world struggles

[20:23]to be born.

[20:25]Uh this is kind of the period that we're in.

[20:29]The international institutions are failing.

[20:29]US hijgemony is decaying across the globe.

[20:32]Maybe we'll see it completely collapse in our lifetime, but I doubt

[20:36]it.

[20:36]We have a lot of inertia behind us.

[20:38]And all we're doing, and I hate to be like super American

[20:40]about it and use a freaking sports reference, but we're just moving

[20:43]the ball forward like one, god damn it, one yard at a

[20:48]time.

[20:48]And that's kind of like what we're doing.

[20:51]I, as a anti-war, anti-imperialist combat veteran, I'm reminded often of the

[20:54]Vietnam War and the Vietnam backlash, which was a intersectional movement between,

[20:59]you know, anti-war veterans, civil rights leaders, trade unions, environmental activists coming

[21:07]together to say this is insane.

[21:08]And they were way more radical, way more organized, and way more

[21:14]civily disobedient than we are now.

[21:16]And it still took 10 years.

[21:17]So this is a marathon uh not a sprint but the past

[21:23]month has been an important step.

[21:24]I believe I think we've proved a lot of things are possible

[21:26]and I hope for bigger and more organized and more impactful actions

[21:30]going forward after this flotillaa has come to its completion no matter

[21:34]how that looks >> and you know to kind of conclude this

[21:36]conversation as a US Army veteran yourself uh who has joined this

[21:42]mission and I think that in itself and you know your team

[21:44]members as well it it speaks a lot to you know how

[21:49]vast public perception how vastly public perception has started to recognize what

[21:54]Israel has been doing and how the US is really complicit in

[22:00]what's happening in Palestine.

[22:00]What would be your message to people watching who might be wondering

[22:05]what difference will an effort like these flotillas make if it's not

[22:09]achieving let's say some practical goal of delivering aid?

[22:13]>> We don't have enough aid to make a difference anyways.

[22:16]You know, we we have aid because we want to deliver it.

[22:20]We want to establish a humanitarian corridor, but we are in an

[22:24]existential information war for the survival of Gaza.

[22:25]You know, this is largely a political operation.

[22:28]And of course, a lot of Israelis complain about this is just

[22:31]for politics.

[22:33]Yeah.

[22:34]Obviously, you know, we don't we are not a military.

[22:36]We do not have massive logistical infrastructure to feed two million pe

[22:40]two million people anymore.

[22:42]Uh but two million people like we do not have a tax

[22:44]base with which to allocate funds for large-scale naval contingency operations.

[22:48]A lot of this is political and is Israeli are complaining about

[22:54]it.

[22:53]But then again, I say to them, nobody's forcing you to commit

[22:56]a genocide.

[22:56]So, yeah, you're going to look bad politically.

[22:58]>> How do you foresee what's going to happen in the next

[23:01]few hours?

[23:02]What are you are you expecting that, you know, cuz and are

[23:04]there other boats right now that are also, you know, coming behind

[23:06]you?

[23:07]Like, how how are the other ones doing?

[23:09]>> Um, I mean, I don't think you can see the boats,

[23:12]but because we're we have a a wide dispersal right now.

[23:16]There's some off the bow here, the starboard side, the port side.

[23:20]Um, and then there's another I mean, we got like 40 something.

[23:23]I'm not going to say the real number, but um, then we

[23:27]have the thousand maline flotilla that just launched out of Sicily coming

[23:31]a few days behind us.

[23:32]And there's other flotillas about to launch as well.

[23:36]So this is this is not the last of them even within

[23:40]this month now that well assuming October starts, but yeah.

[23:42]>> Right.

[23:43]And so, you know, these are this is considerably a much larger

[23:47]crew than the previous ones that have kind of sailed.

[23:49]Um, how do you all foresee what's going to be happening in

[23:55]terms of as you get closer to the danger zone?

[23:56]People are very very intently watching to see what's happening, making sure,

[24:00]you know, everyone is okay, making just trying to get some news.

[24:06]And usually when it's in that situation, um, a lot goes unnoticed

[24:08]and a lot very intentionally does not they don't want people to

[24:11]see what's happening.

[24:12]Do you guys have any estimates or any predictions of how you

[24:16]foresee things happening or is it just something where you have to

[24:18]like walk into it and you know just see what's happening?

[24:21]I think that it'd be a politically disastrous move to attack and

[24:27]kill anybody on the flotilla.

[24:27]Uh especially after the abysmal showing at the UN where Netanyahu was

[24:33]talking to an empty room.

[24:34]Uh, I think they're coming to the realization that they're in isolated

[24:37]global global pariah and that's really not going to stick or take

[24:39]effect or really ramp up for a while, but this would be

[24:44]the worst time for it.

[24:44]And we look at Israeli media, Hebrew media to kind of telegraph

[24:49]what they're trying to do.

[24:51]And they're no longer trying to jin up consent to call this

[24:53]like a big terror flotilla so they can kill us.

[24:57]Um, they've already said they've already published their interdiction plan.

[25:01]Seems like they're going to try to interdict us, put us on

[25:03]a large naval frigot, take us into Ashdod.

[25:06]What they'll do in terms of prison sentencing, we have no idea.

[25:11]Uh, do they have the naval capacity to interdict four 40 odd

[25:15]slowmoving ships?

[25:15]Probably.

[25:16]They have a really small navy, but probably.

[25:19]So, um, yeah, but then again, they're a rogue actor.

[25:25]Who knows?

[25:24]They killed uh three vehicles from the World Central Kitchen last year

[25:30]after they coordinated their position and movements with the IDF.

[25:33]So, who knows?

[25:34]We're going to take this one hour at a time.

[25:37]>> All right.

[25:38]Well, Greg, thank you so much for coming on, giving us the

[25:42]latest updates.

[25:41]We are very intently watching to see how this goes for you.

[25:45]Uh and we hope everyone stays safe and we're praying for, you

[25:47]know, everything to go well.

[25:48]>> All right.

[25:49]Thank you so much.

[25:51]And pressure your reps, y'all.

[25:52]Appreciate it.

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