Uprisings from an Islamic Perspective - Sayed Ahmed Al-Qazwini - Day 7, Ramadan 2015

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Within the different Islamic schools of thought, there are mixed opinions regarding staging uprisings and revolutions against tyrants and oppressors, whether through protests, demonstrations or other alternatives. Sayed Ahmed Al-Qazwini sheds more light in those mixed points of view within the Islamic faith, clarifying the justifications and explanations that each side base their concluded opinions on. Al Rasoul Islamic Society, Halifax - Canada | The Holy Month of Ramadan 2015

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[0:00][Music] [Music] aldam [Music] [Music] brothers and sisters ever since the beginning

[1:00]of time the there has always been two Wills the first is

[1:05]the will and the determination of the people and the second is

[1:09]the will of the rulers and the governments and there has always

[1:15]been there has always been a never- ending battle between these two

[1:20]there's always these two have always been in a state of collision

[1:23]conflicting with each other and clashing at each other the people want

[1:29]one thing the government government wants the opposite the government tries to

[1:33]push things towards One Direction the people try to pull it back

[1:38]towards their Direction and what you find is that throughout history there

[1:42]have been numerous attempts by the people to try to overthrow their

[1:47]government people that would Rebel and that would try to overcome their

[1:51]governments overwhelm their governments but what you find is in most cases

[1:56]these attempts failed they could not succeed in most cases you find

[2:00]that the triumphant and preponderant side was the government and that's why

[2:08]for thousands of years many rulers most rulers have successfully been able

[2:14]to destroy any opposition that they faced and they were successful in

[2:20]launching crackdowns that would destroy not only the people but their will

[2:25]as well but this however did not completely and entirely kill the

[2:29]will of the people and that you find throughout history there is

[2:33]some remnant of life within the will of the people and that

[2:39]there have been some exceptions some instances where the people were able

[2:43]to rise and they were their will was able to overcome the

[2:47]will of the rulers and they were able to overwhelm and overthrow

[2:51]these governments and these rulers and topple them down from their Thrones

[2:56]and what you find that these people would use many ways they

[3:02]would go out and the streets they would mobilize they would for

[3:06]example March they would protest they would stage demonstrations and they would

[3:13]Rebel and they would resist all the orders of the government and

[3:17]in this way they were able to top all these governments down

[3:22]and bring them down from their Thrones and there are many famous

[3:25]successful Revolutions in history amongst the most famous re utions is the

[3:30]French Revolution that you've read about in the late in the late

[3:36]1700s and more recently about 35 years ago one of the famous

[3:42]revolutions is the Islamic revolution that took place in Iran the people

[3:46]went out in the streets and they protested and protested and rebelled

[3:50]unless they were able to bring an end to the monarchy and

[3:56]just recently in the past 5 years you saw that the Arab

[3:59]Springs the Arab uprisings that took place that began in Tunisia and

[4:03]then spread to Egypt and then to Bahrain and then to Syria

[4:09]and to Libya and what you find interesting about these Arab Springs

[4:13]is that the people were able to take advantage of technology and

[4:18]that most of the mobilizing was done through social media and that's

[4:22]why the Arab Spring was called the Facebook revolutions because most of

[4:27]the most of the protests they were mobilized through Facebook and thus

[4:31]called the Facebook revolutions now besides these points besides the different aspects

[4:38]of these revolutions what's common between all of these revolutions and uprisings

[4:43]is that there was an oppressive dictator and the people were oppressed

[4:49]this oppressive dictator had limited the the rights of the people he

[4:53]denied them of their freedoms and of their rights and the people

[4:56]were asleep the people submitted the people accepted this humiliation until one

[5:02]day came that they said no more to this Agony more no

[5:07]more to this tyranny no more to this oppression they finally woke

[5:11]up they stood they Rose and they put an end to that

[5:17]tyranny and oppression and they were successfully able to overthrow their government

[5:21]and what you found is in these uprisings that happened in the

[5:25]past couple of years in the Arab world there was one famous

[5:31]sentence that was one famous slogan that was recited in almost all

[5:35]these countries and that famous slogan was that the people the people's

[5:46]will and the people want to bring down this regime to bring

[5:49]down this government so for the first time we heard that the

[5:52]people didn't indeed have a will that for thousands of years it

[5:57]was only the will of the government and the rulers that was

[6:00]h heard and it was always what they wanted but for once

[6:04]we hear that the people also have a will that the people

[6:06]also have a want and their want and their will is to

[6:10]what to bring down those governments and in many of these countries

[6:14]they were successful now the important question that raises here and comes

[6:20]to mind is is it islamically allowed that we stage uprisings and

[6:24]revolutions or not as a Muslim am I allowed to resist my

[6:28]government using Force coming out in the streets demonstrating and protesting and

[6:34]at times using force in order to Stage these uprisings and revolutions

[6:40]or not am I obliged as a Muslim to say no to

[6:42]the dictator to the Tyranny or no I have to submit I

[6:47]have to stay quiet and I have to have patience and it's

[6:52]not my job to say no to the dictators and to go

[6:54]out in the streets and Stage an uprising and Revolution so what

[6:58]is Islam's view on this now when you come to the Sunni

[7:03]school of thought you find that almost there is a consensus between

[7:06]their that it is Haram for a Muslim to say no to

[7:12]an oppressive ruler if he's a Muslim if the ruler of is

[7:14]a Muslim then I have no right to Stage an uprising Revolution

[7:20]there's almost a consensus between them that we have we have to

[7:23]have patience it's not my business I have to have patience and

[7:25]Allah subhanahu wa taala will hold him accountable and Allah subhana tala

[7:31]will give me reward for having that patience and they narrates many

[7:37]from about this for example in oneith they narrates inl that told

[7:43]his companions one day that there will be rulers there will be

[7:54]om there will be leaders and rulers that will come in the

[7:57]future and these rulers will have some good things and they will

[8:02]have some bad things and then the prophet said that your job

[8:04]is to what is to submit you can't do anything about it

[8:10]you cannot say no to them and then the people told they

[8:12]the they asked should we not fight those people if they do

[8:19]Har those Muslims rulers the prophet according to this Hadith says no

[8:23]as long as they pray they can do whatever they want so

[8:28]they have complete immunity and another Hadith you find that's also narrated

[8:33]by Muslim and bukari you see that they narrate that one day

[8:40]he asked all of them to do to give to pay Allegiance

[8:43]and then he told them he asked them to promise him that

[8:49]they will never say no to any of the rulers that will

[8:51]come after him as long as that ruler does not outrightly disbelieve

[8:58]in Allah that according to theith says which means outright disbelief in

[9:04]Allah so as long as the ruler believes in Allah as long

[9:06]as the ruler says as then he has immunity then no one

[9:14]has the right to question him no one has the right to

[9:16]rebel against them we have to submit and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

[9:19]will hold them accountable and that's why you see that across many

[9:26]of the Muslim nations this is how they teach the people their

[9:29]Scholars this is how they teach the people that no matter what

[9:32]happens you're not allowed to say no to the dictator and if

[9:37]you remember when the Egypt when the Egypt Uprising was unfolding you

[9:41]would find many of the many of the Sunni Scholars they would

[9:43]come out on satellites on TV newspapers on the internet and they

[9:49]would say it is Haram what you're doing is wrong you're not

[9:52]allowed islamically to Stage an uprising you cannot say no to theim

[9:57]to the ruler even if he's an oppressor because he says the

[10:01]shahad say because he's a Muslim and what's interesting is with Egypt

[10:04]this is what they said with Tunis what they said what with

[10:08]bah this is what they said but what happened in Syria all

[10:13]of a sudden they forgot about their principle and Syria you find

[10:17]the opposite happened they began to tell people do uprisings they began

[10:21]to tell people rebel they began to tell people that you have

[10:25]to say no because he's an oppressor wait a minute in Syria

[10:27]he's an oppressor and I have to Rebel but in Egypt he's

[10:31]an oppressor I don't I don't have to Rebel so you can

[10:32]see how personal interests come into the come into the equation and

[10:39]they forgot about their principles and you find that in some of

[10:42]the more conservative Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia you see that they

[10:46]teach the children at a a very young age that you have

[10:52]to always pay Allegiance and respect religiously that you have to pay

[10:56]Allegiance and you have to follow and submit to the to the

[11:03]ruler no matter who he is under all conditions because once at

[11:05]times I may come and I tell the people of my country

[11:10]that you have to pay Allegiance from a political view from a

[11:13]national view yeah nationally I pay my allegiance but what you find

[11:16]in Saudi Arabia no they tell them that you have to pay

[11:19]Allegiance religiously as well religious Allegiance as well and that's why anytime

[11:25]one of their King dies who is their IM they could they

[11:29]consider him their IM in religion anytime a King dies you find

[11:33]in the schools they all all the children have to give the

[11:36]that we give to our IM to they have to give to

[11:41]their King why so that they teach them from an early age

[11:43]that there is no way that you can Rebel no matter what

[11:47]the king does if he kills If he oppresses if he drinks

[11:51]if he commits all the Haram in the world as long as

[11:53]he prays as long as he prays in front of the people

[11:56]not even in his home as long as he prays in front

[12:00]of the people as long as long as he says the then

[12:01]you can no way Rebel and that's why I remember that if

[12:07]you remember of 10 about 10 years ago when Saddam Hussein was

[12:10]executed many of people in the Sunni World they were disappointed why

[12:18]because they used the same ideology that Saddam Hussein was a ruler

[12:21]and yes even if he was op pressor but the point is

[12:26]he said the Shah and because he said the Shah we have

[12:28]no right to kill him we have no right to overthrow him

[12:31]we have no right to topple him so you find this ideology

[12:34]it remates it shows throughout the Muslim world and what's very obvious

[12:41]to any samean person is that such a belief cannot be from

[12:47]Allah subhanahu wa taala Allah who is just Allah subhana wa tala

[12:50]who wants us to be just it doesn't make sense to any

[12:54]same person that the same just Allah he would order us to

[12:58]pay Allegiance and to follow and to submit to a ruler even

[13:05]if he's unjust this doesn't make sense yes now I can make

[13:08]a claim and say that your job is not to go out

[13:13]you don't have the right to go and rebel fine but at

[13:17]the same time I won't tell you go and accept go and

[13:19]pay Allegiance I can tell you that stay home and stay out

[13:23]of politics now that's you know maybe this is acceptable but if

[13:26]I say that no matter what the ruler does no matter how

[13:31]many crimes he does you have to pay Allegiance and you have

[13:34]to follow and accept him this doesn't make sense no sin he

[13:36]would being accept and what this shows us is obviously such a

[13:42]mentality and such a belief can only be fabricated by a ruler

[13:45]where did this belief come from from the rulers themselves because a

[13:48]ruler the most important thing thing to him is what is to

[13:52]stay in power especially if he's a king if he's a monarch

[13:54]if he's a a dictator the most important thing to him is

[13:58]to stay in power so how does he do that one of

[14:04]the best ways to do that is to use religion take advantage

[14:06]of religion and convince people that it is your religious obligation to

[14:11]submit to me even if I do whatever I do this will

[14:17]help him because even if a person doesn't like the king even

[14:19]if he doesn't like the ruler but he will accept him and

[14:23]submit to him because of what because of his religious Duty so

[14:26]obviously this shows you that such a belief it was fabricated by

[14:32]the rulers themselves the rulers that came such as Mu and the

[14:35]ones after him in order to what in order to stay in

[14:39]power and convince people that I have to stay in power no

[14:41]matter what I do even if I kill even if I drink

[14:44]even if I do whatever I do so this you find in

[14:49]the Sunni school of thought now when you come to the Shia

[14:52]school of thought you would think that contrary to the Sydney school

[14:58]of thought where they almost have a consensus where it is Haram

[15:00]to say no it is Haram to rebel and Stage an uprising

[15:05]you would think contrary to them the Shia have a consensus that

[15:08]you must say no that you have to rise and you have

[15:13]to stage in oppress an uprising and Revolution but that's not the

[15:16]case when you come to the Shia world you will find that

[15:21]this topic is a topic of disagreement between the there are that

[15:24]say that we have to Stage revolutions we have to Rebel we

[15:28]have to say no to the governments the evil governments but then

[15:31]again there are other that do not believe in this there are

[15:34]other that say that no this is not our job yes we

[15:38]don't pay Allegiance we don't go and join them we stay out

[15:42]of it we stay out of politics we sit in our houses

[15:43]so this is a controversial topic when it comes to the school

[15:49]of now you might say how is this controversial you might say

[15:52]that it's common sense it's very very simple and it's very clear

[15:54]that we have to say no to these evil governments and we

[15:58]have to rebel against them and you may use and some use

[16:02]these pieces of proof you may say that for example number one

[16:07]my tells me that I cannot accept the rule of a dictator

[16:13]why because my leave religion aside my intellect and my conscience tells

[16:19]me that Justice is good and oppression is bad and that I

[16:23]should try to uphold Justice and I should try to eradicate oppression

[16:26]my intellect and conscience tells me that no no one has to

[16:31]tell me that Allah subh does not have to tell me that

[16:32]I know that by myself so based on that since oppression must

[16:37]be eradicated and Justice must be upheld so my my intellect tells

[16:44]me that if the leader if the ruler is unjust then I

[16:47]have to say no to him because my tells me say no

[16:51]to and try to implement justice so I have to say no

[16:55]I have to rebel I have to try to get rid of

[16:59]that unjust ruler so you might say says that number one number

[17:02]two the Quran the Quran speaks about one of the most important

[17:06]duties of a Muslim what is it one of the most important

[17:15]duties of a Muslim is what is to enjoy the good and

[17:17]forbid the evil and amongst the greatest examples of a is that

[17:27]ruler because that ruler has power and he causes corruption and if

[17:31]he's unjust he will kill people he will oppress people he will

[17:38]steal other people's money and he will spread so obviously says that

[17:42]I have to forbid the evil and sometimes the only way I

[17:47]could forbid the evil is through Rebellion it's through Revolution it's through

[17:50]Uprising it's through saying no and that's why there's aith that says

[18:02]this is the mentality that a Muslim lives by if a person

[18:07]is a if a person isn't oppressed I have to be a

[18:13]supporter to that person how do I support that person I support

[18:16]that person by helping him in any way that I can and

[18:21]at the same time I have to be an enemy to the

[18:24]I have to be an enemy to the oppressor so this Hadith

[18:26]tells us that anytime there's a vol and he's oppressing people I

[18:29]have to support the people and I have to be an enemy

[18:32]of the thus I Rebel so this is the Quran and the

[18:37]Sunnah and likewise we understand based on the Quran and the Sunnah

[18:42]that it is an obligation upon us the Muslims to establish to

[18:47]establish and implement the laws of Allah subhanahu wa taala in this

[18:51]world the laws of Allah subhanahu waala are called the Shar so

[18:57]it is a role of us Muslims it is an obligation upon

[19:11]every Muslim and especially the scholars that they Implement and establish God's

[19:16]laws Allah subhana tala's laws in this dun they establish Islamic sh

[19:20]and Shar brothers and sisters is basically the laws of Allah subhanahu

[19:25]waala any laws that we have any laws of a Muslim is

[19:30]called called the Shar a way of life Shar means a way

[19:31]so our way of life our laws that are given to us

[19:36]by Allah is called Shar it is our job to implement sh

[19:40]on this and you find this word sh in the west many

[19:42]people they do not understand what it means it has a very

[19:48]negative connotation negative meaning for them they think Shar means kill Shar

[19:52]means cut the you know the head of other people sword and

[19:54]guns and killing and just punishing other people this is not what

[19:58]sh means is the laws of the Muslim when I pray this

[20:02]is a part of my of myah this is a part of

[20:07]my fasting is a part of my is a part of my

[20:10]sh going to is a part of my all the laws of

[20:14]and the foods I can eat and the foods that I can't

[20:18]eat this is all what is called Shar the laws of My

[20:20]Religion just like the Christians have their their laws that are called

[20:23]the Canon laws and just like the Jews that they have their

[20:27]TM and their livs we Muslims have laws and our laws are

[20:29]called the Shar and many people are ignorant of the Shar and

[20:36]if you remember there was a Christian priest that was trying to

[20:40]run the Quran a few years ago Terry Jones and in one

[20:46]incident there was a there was a debate on one of the

[20:48]American local channels between Terry Jones and between my father and Terry

[20:54]Jones was asked by the host why is it that you want

[20:59]to burn the Quran and his answer he's a priest so he

[21:03]should be knowledgeable so he said I am burning the Quran to

[21:08]protest so then the host he asked my father how do you

[21:15]reply to this guy so my father he gave him a very

[21:19]simple answer he told him Mr Jones can you first Define to

[21:22]me what is what Shar means that you're burning the Quran to

[21:25]protest what is Shar this guy Terry Jones he had no clue

[21:30]what Shar is he began to stumble and stutter well you know

[21:33]sh I'm not exactly sure what Shar is I'm not an expert

[21:37]in Islam but I know it's something bad can you imagine this

[21:39]is the answer of a priest it's like a 5-year-old kid it's

[21:43]something bad so my father began to laugh he said Mr Jones

[21:46]if you don't even know what Shar is how could you go

[21:50]and protest against the Quran and burn it while you don't know

[21:51]even what Shar is so Shar brothers and sisters is the way

[21:57]of life it's the laws of Allah subhanahu waala so according to

[22:00]this proof you might say that it is Our obligation and many

[22:05]say this it is Our obligation to implement Shar and the only

[22:09]way we can implement the Shar of Allah on this world is

[22:14]to establish an Islamic government because if the government is UN Islamic

[22:19]if the ruler is a dictator and he is someone that does

[22:21]not accept Islam or the laws of Islam even if he's a

[22:26]Muslim then obviously I will not be able to implement the laws

[22:28]of so the third proof why we are allowed to Rebel is

[22:33]so that we can establish the government of Islam so that we

[22:38]are able to implement Shar laws the laws of Islam and finally

[22:42]the final proof that you might say it's simple it's very obvious

[22:45]that we're able to rebel against a dictator against a vicious Tyrant

[22:52]is he's our role model IM Hussein rebelled against ya he AED

[22:59]an uprising a revolution against ya and he was martyred so if

[23:05]im Hussein is my role model then I follow in the footsteps

[23:10]of IM Hussein anytime there is a dictator anytime there is aim

[23:13]an oppressor I have the obligation to follow in the footsteps of

[23:20]IM Hussein and to rise and say no and to Rebel so

[23:22]you might say it's very simple based on these four pieces of

[23:27]De of evidence and proof that it is an obligation upon every

[23:31]Muslim to say no to theim and to rebel against that even

[23:37]if it requires and involves that I use force and resistance now

[23:43]not all accept this many they come to refute these arguments and

[23:49]they say that no during that we are not allowed to Stage

[23:56]any revolutions and rebellions many believe in this and they will come

[24:01]and they will refute every single one of these arguments and what

[24:05]these will tell you is that we accept the idea that we

[24:11]have to establish justice that we have to eradicate this world from

[24:15]we accept this we accept we have to get rid of anything

[24:20]that is evil we accept all of this and what they accept

[24:26]and what they will tell you is that we accept all all

[24:31]of this after the 12th IM reappears so they tell you that

[24:35]everything that you say we agree after the reappearance of the 12th

[24:41]IM yes all the agree that once the 12th IM reappears it

[24:45]is W upon everyone to rebel and join the Imam and it

[24:50]is W upon every single human being to join the forces of

[24:52]the Imam and to support the IM and to Rebel to the

[24:56]dictators everyone in agrees that after the Imam appears yes but the

[25:05]question is during when the IM is hidden when the IM is

[25:09]is an occultation is it also necessary upon us an obligation upon

[25:14]us to also Rebel and establish an Islamic government this is the

[25:18]question they will tell you the problem is we are in and

[25:24]has its own rules has its own special rules and they will

[25:27]tell you that there are we accept we should say no to

[25:33]the rulers we should say no to the oppressors and it is

[25:35]but however there is an obstacle and that obstacle is that there

[25:42]arei from our imams that explicitly tell us during do not Rebel

[25:46]so the imams prohibited us from rebelling during you're not allowed to

[25:51]say no the imams don't tell us like the sunnis go and

[25:56]pay Allegiance and tell them you're my IM no neither Rebel nor

[25:59]accept stay out of politics stay in your house and there are

[26:06]numerous by the imams to their teaching them that during it is

[26:12]not your obligation to rebel and to say no to the to

[26:16]the oppressors and I will read you to ath that these use

[26:21]like I said this is a controversial topic between the there's there's

[26:26]that say no we should Rebel even and establish governments there are

[26:31]other that say no so the that say we are not allowed

[26:35]to establish governments we're not allowed to Rebel during they say there

[26:40]are many and I will read two for you one from he

[26:45]tells one of his companions by the name of or he tells

[26:50]him he's telling sud and he's teaching all the sh a general

[27:09]principle he's telling him that your job is to stay in your

[27:11]house don't Rebel don't resist no revolutions no uprisings stay in your

[27:17]house until the Sani Rises until the Sani which we know he's

[27:24]the enemy of our 12th IM and he is the man that

[27:29]will mobilize all the enemies to fight the IM says whenever the

[27:34]suani Rises this is when you can Rebel before that you're not

[27:37]allowed so this shows us what that as long as the sufyani

[27:41]did not come and the sufyani obviously he comes a year or

[27:44]two three years before the Im so as long as the IM

[27:48]hasn't come as long as the IM hasn't reappeared according to this

[27:52]Hadith we have no right to Rebel Our obligation as followers of

[27:57]is to sit in our houses this is the second as well

[28:02]and thisi is stronger the IM says this says that every standard

[28:20]that will rise before the 12th IM before the 12th IM the

[28:24]Imam he will raise the standard and he will Rebel so any

[28:29]standard that is raised before the IM and any person that Rebels

[28:32]before the IM the IM says in this then that person is

[28:38]a devil so only a devil will Rebel before the 12th Im

[28:44]so this shows us that Our obligation is to wait the IM

[28:46]will have the authority the IM will have the honor of rebelling

[28:51]and establishing the Islamic government we did not so these two the

[28:56]that do not accept rebellion and say we have to sit in

[28:58]our houses they say these two hads are clear this is a

[29:06]clear prohibition from our IM our IM is telling us you are

[29:10]not allowed to resist you're not allowed to Rebel in once the

[29:14]IM appears yes this is when you're allowed this is number one

[29:17]and number two they will tell you these they will tell you

[29:23]that you cannot use IM Hussein as an example to say that

[29:28]I have to follow this with them why how many imams do

[29:31]we have how many IMS do we have any answers 12 12

[29:37]imams alhamdulillah we know our IMS so we have 12 imams how

[29:40]many of the 12 imams rebelled and how many of them didn't

[29:44]Rebel so far 11 imams have died how many of them rebelled

[29:51]only one there's only two imams that rebelled the first is IM

[29:55]Hussein and the second will Rebel Imam but of the 11 imams

[30:03]that died only one Rebel 10 they stayed in their houses they

[30:07]never rebelled they did not stage a revolution so you can't pick

[30:11]and choose you can't leave out 10 imams and you say im

[30:13]and Hussein rebell this is cheating so what they will tell you

[30:17]is we understand that we're not allowed to rebel and IM Hussein

[30:21]was a special criteria he was an exception the general rule is

[30:24]you're not allowed to Rebel you have to follow the other 10

[30:29]imams IM Al did not Rebel when his was taken IM did

[30:32]not Rebel he sat down when mu was ruling until IM none

[30:38]of them rebelled so why do I see IM Hussein only and

[30:44]I forget about 10 IMS so they will tell us that we

[30:46]have no right to rebel and likewise those that say that IM

[30:53]Hussein rebelled they will say not just IM Hussein there were many

[30:57]figures from or close Companions of Amed B that rebelled and tried

[31:02]to establish a government and the imams they authorized them the imams

[31:06]were happy with them they were satisfied with them for example the

[31:11]son of IM was not an IM he was the son of

[31:16]an Imam he rebelled he staged an uprising the revolution but unfortunately

[31:20]he was not successful he was killed and marted another example alar

[31:25]we've all heard of alar alar he went and retaliated and he

[31:28]rebelled and he tried to establish a government and number three during

[31:34]the time of IM there was one of the descendants of imass

[31:38]one of the descendants of IM Hassan and ironically his name was

[31:43]also Al Hussein his name was Hussein and his father was Ali

[31:47]and he was from the descendants of IM Hass he also rebelled

[31:50]and he lived during the time and they will tell you that

[31:55]IM authorized him so not only IM Hussein rebelled but you find

[31:59]that these are three other figures that they rebelled under the supervision

[32:03]of the and that's why we can also following their footsteps so

[32:09]these the second group of that say no when they come to

[32:11]the IM Hussein they say this is a special criteria we have

[32:15]10 other imams that never rebelled and when we come to we

[32:19]come to we come to they will tell you on the contrary

[32:24]when we come to we see that the imams were not happy

[32:26]with them the imams Never authorize them and that's why there are

[32:31]numerous in our books that speak against that speak against and that

[32:37]the imams were never happy with them so they will tell us

[32:41]based on this we understand that we are not allowed to Rebel

[32:46]we're not allowed to Rebel in the IMs prohibited us and especially

[32:49]when there is Bloodshed when there is Bloodshed when rebelling involves that

[32:56]blood from the followers of the debate is shed we have no

[32:59]right in authorizing that we have no right because when it comes

[33:04]to blood we have to always be cautious we always have to

[33:07]do so yes many of these will say if there is if

[33:12]there is any some will say if there is a peaceful way

[33:18]of rebelling yes peaceful way of rebelling yes you can but if

[33:22]it involves blood then we're not allowed to do that then it

[33:24]is Haram but then again there are other that say no even

[33:29]if it's peaceful we're not allowed why because the imams forbid us

[33:31]the imams they told us no they have prohibited us it doesn't

[33:37]matter whether there's blood or no blood so some say peaceful okay

[33:43]non peaceful Haram other say that all of it is har but

[33:46]the third group they say no we're always all allowed to Rebel

[33:52]even if it involves Bloodshed and this third group of they come

[33:56]to answer and refute that second that first group remember we answered

[34:00]we said the imam's prohibited we read to Hadith we said there's

[34:03]Bloodshed we said that IM Hussein is just one IM and we

[34:09]said Z and there areth that speak against them so some that

[34:13]accept that support rebellion in they come to refute those arguments what

[34:17]do they say they say number one that when we come to

[34:23]the Hadith these Hadith that we read when we come to these

[34:28]a Hadith we can refute them through four ways number one now

[34:33]I'm not taking any sides brothers and sisters I'm just presenting you

[34:37]the evidence and the two sides and there are now that accept

[34:42]this side that accept that side I'm just giving you what both

[34:45]sides say so these say that when it comes to these we

[34:51]can refute them in four ways the first way we can refute

[34:53]these is number one when we read this all thesei are according

[35:00]to these all these are so we cannot rely on these maybe

[35:03]they were fabricated maybe the rulers remember we said rulers they always

[35:07]try to make up AI to convince people not to do uprisings

[35:12]maybe these were fabricated by the rulers and they somehow entered our

[35:16]books so they don't want us to resist them so they say

[35:20]your Imam said this so that's number one the are number two

[35:23]they say that when it comes to the Hadith that says every

[35:26]standard that will be raised before the 12th IM that standard Bearer

[35:33]is a devil that person that reel Rebels before the IM is

[35:36]a rebel these say that this Hadith is only speaking about those

[35:43]that Rebel with a message that is different than the message of

[35:47]the 12th Im so the IM is speaking about those that Rebel

[35:52]and those people's message is different than the message of the Im

[35:55]so if my message is the same message of the IM I

[35:58]a follow over I invite people to Justice then theith does not

[36:04]apply to me this is speaking about those that try to establish

[36:08]a government and their views are different than the views of the

[36:12]views of the 12th Im so this does not apply to us

[36:14]if we want to rebel and we want to establish the government

[36:20]of this does not apply to us this applies to others that

[36:23]want to establish government other than that's number two number three many

[36:29]have stated that these the IM is not forbidding the Shia this

[36:34]is as they call it this is not the IM is not

[36:38]forbidding all he's doing is giving us means what means the IM

[36:45]is giving us advice he's not telling us it's Haram he's just

[36:48]when the IM tells sud sit in your house and only when

[36:52]sufyani comes this is when you go and fight the Imam is

[36:54]not forbidding him from rebelling the Imam is just giving him advice

[36:58]what is he telling him he's telling him look from now tell

[37:01]IM every attempt that you sh will make to make a government

[37:07]you're going to fail so why waste you can go and try

[37:09]it's not Haram but the IM is just giving us advice every

[37:14]attempt that you will make you will fail and if you and

[37:19]if you do achieve that if you are able to establish the

[37:22]government you will fail in implementing the true laws of Islam because

[37:26]there is no amongst you you are all fallible human beings and

[37:33]you make mistakes and the only person that can establish a true

[37:36]Islamic government is IMI so don't waste your time don't try he's

[37:39]telling you you can't you can't it's like I try I tell

[37:42]someone don't try to fly am I forbiding him no he's going

[37:44]to waste his time so the say the third point is that

[37:48]IM is just giving us advice don't waste your time your work

[37:51]your efforts will go feudal will go in vain either you will

[37:56]fail you'll be killed like Zade was killed like for example Shah

[38:00]was killed and IM Hussein was killed they were not successful in

[38:03]establishing Islam government and even if you do one day you will

[38:08]not be able to uphold the laws of Islam because there is

[38:11]no infallible but the 12th IM only an infallible is able to

[38:16]do that and to support this there is one Hadith that shows

[38:20]this and one Hadith is narrated said he says from now to

[38:46]the day of judgment anyone from the Shia who tries to Rebel

[38:48]who tries to Stage an uprising they will fail and not only

[38:52]will they will fail they will be killed they will be massacred

[38:55]and we instead of helping us they're going to make us more

[39:01]sad because we see our Shia are being killed so the IM

[39:03]is giving advice don't go because you can't it's only the IM

[39:09]that will be able to establish a powerful Muslim country and he

[39:11]will able to defeat the enemies so don't waste your time this

[39:15]is number three and number four they say that many say that

[39:21]this Hadith is not General this Hadith is not General the IM

[39:24]he is speaking about some people some opportunity who use slogans who

[39:31]use to rebel and they fool other people so the IM is

[39:34]basically issuing a warning he's he's telling s and he's telling his

[39:37]companions don't be deceived by anyone that says oh I'm rebelling to

[39:43]establish the government no because some of those people will be Crooks

[39:47]they'll be scams they will be Liars so be careful that's why

[39:50]he says anyone who brings out a standard before the Imam is

[39:55]a devil because he's trying to say most people that Rebel they

[39:58]Crux all they want to do is reach power they will lie

[40:02]to the people they will deceive and they will say yes we

[40:05]want to establish a Justice and they will never establish justice so

[40:07]the Imam is speaking about particular situations and particular incidents but however

[40:13]if I as a follower of truly want to establish my motives

[40:18]are sincere and I have Godly motives the IM is not speaking

[40:21]about me he's only speaking about the crooks and you found this

[40:24]happen uh throughout the years of the imams every couple of years

[40:31]someone either from the companions of the IM or someone from the

[40:34]family members but far family members of the imams they would go

[40:37]out and rebel and they would try to fool the people to

[40:42]come with them even though their only goal was just to reach

[40:44]power so the Imam says be careful not anyone that comes and

[40:49]lies to you and says I want to establish justice you go

[40:50]out with them you're going to get killed and even if you

[40:55]reach power you will find that this person will deceive you the

[40:58]only person that will not deceive you is the 12th Im so

[41:01]that's why he says wait till the 12th Im so he's not

[41:04]giving a bad he's just issuing a warning he's telling us be

[41:07]careful don't listen to anyone that claims I am rebelling and and

[41:10]trying to establish justice so this is with these and then they

[41:16]come to the imams remember we said those they refuted they said

[41:19]there's only one IM Hussein and there's other 10s that never that

[41:24]never uh staged any Revolution they will tell these they say that

[41:31]the reason why IM Hussein revolted wasn't because he was a special

[41:36]condition no they will say that we have a principle that we

[41:42]learn from our imams anytime the Imam has enough supporters and Islam

[41:46]is at stake he Rebels anytime he does not have the necessary

[41:49]supporters he sits in his house so why did IM Hussein Rebel

[41:54]not because he was something special no because IM Hussein had how

[41:58]many supporters he had over 70 supporters that's why he rebelled why

[42:01]didn't Rebel he himself he says when he was asked why didn't

[42:06]you go and fight those people that took your why didn't you

[42:13]fight them he himself gives a beautiful answer he [Music] says he

[42:25]says that I saw two ways in me two options either I

[42:30]go and fight and resist those people that you serve my but

[42:33]with a with a broken hand with a cut hand what does

[42:37]he mean there was no supporters I had to do it all

[42:41]by myself or I had to wait and I saw I can't

[42:43]do it by myself unless I use Miracles Allah doesn't want Miracle

[42:46]every day every day so it's because the people abandoned the he

[42:50]did not Rebel if he had supporters he would Rebel IM Hassan

[42:55]didn't have the supporters IM Hussein had the supporters so this is

[43:00]a general law whenever the IM would get those supporters enough supporters

[43:04]he would Rebel if not he would not all the other IMS

[43:08]of they did not have enough supporters brothers and sisters there's aith

[43:13]that says they used to come some of the sah tell them

[43:15]we're going to fight for you so he would tell them tomorrow

[43:19]in the morning I want to see you in such a place

[43:21]if you come we will fight 40 up to 40 or 50

[43:24]people would promise the IM the next day he would go he

[43:28]would see three to to four people you expect them to fight

[43:30]with three to four people three days consecutive days they would promise

[43:33]the IM they would abandon the IM they would promise the IM

[43:38]they would abandon and then you ask why didn't the IM Rebel

[43:40]and there's a from brothers and sisters that says the Hadith says

[43:46]that one day s the same companion he comes to IM and

[43:52]he's angered he tells the IM yeah IM until when will you

[43:55]sit and these dictators will rule you have have to rebel and

[44:01]I will support you and he tells him if had as many

[44:05]supporters as you had then would have definitely rebelled and revolted why

[44:10]don't you Rebel says how many how many do you think I

[44:13]have how many supporters you think I have he tells a 100,000

[44:17]he says huh 100,000 he says more 200,000 says 200,000 he says

[44:22]more half of the world is with you look at the exaggeration

[44:29]so he tells him come with me he goes and they travel

[44:32]to a place they want to pray there is a boy he

[44:37]has goats small goats around him the IM he looks at sud

[44:42]and he tells him y sud if I had this many supporters

[44:44]and he points to the goats as many supporters as these goats

[44:49]W I would Rebel and then s he says after Salah I

[44:51]went I counted there were 17 goats so the Imam says if

[44:57]I had 177 supporters I would the IM is saying don't be

[45:02]don't be fooled by numbers yes there are 100,000 how many people

[45:05]came on the first day to meet how many 18,000 a few

[45:12]days after how many were remain zero zero so when the time

[45:17]comes to take the sword and fight and rebel not everyone is

[45:19]willing yes there's many people that claim I am with the IM

[45:23]I will help him his name is a supporter but are they

[45:26]willing to support Imam to the last bread like the companions of

[45:31]IM Hussein where they said W if I were to be killed

[45:33]1,000 Times by The Sword for abdah I would not hesitate this

[45:39]is the type you want quality quantity does no good and that's

[45:42]why in another incident you find that there was a man an

[45:47]army General his name was AB Muslim and he was the most

[45:52]important Army General that led to the destruction of B and Ben

[45:55]abas coming to power before he went and struck a deal with

[46:00]he came to IM what did he tell IM he told him

[46:01]you become our you you're the grandson of he knows that this

[46:10]guy's Allegiance is not to me he'll sell me for so cheap

[46:11]tomorrow he'll abandon me he'll betray me and kill me so he

[46:16]knows that this is not of his men so what did he

[46:21]tell him he wrote him in one letter 34 words he tolds

[46:23]you're not amongst my men how can I trust you how can

[46:28]I trust you you're not amongst my men and this is not

[46:32]my time so what we understand according to these is there's a

[46:35]general principle if there are enough people to Rebel then we Rebel

[46:38]if not we don't and that's why some IMS rebelled and some

[46:43]didn't it's not a special condition so if in my time these

[46:45]say there is enough followers of and they want to establish justice

[46:51]then there is no problem in rebelling and finally we said there

[46:55]are that speak against Z that speak against m likewise these say

[47:00]there are other that speak of them in a good way that

[47:04]compliment them that praise them so there are conflicting about Z and

[47:09]they say that the that we have that the IM spoke against

[47:17]Z maybe the IM because obviously Z and are what are considered

[47:20]by the government as what as criminals they're considered as traitors because

[47:25]they have rebelled so can the IM come and outrightly say that

[47:30]I support them they'll go after the Im so the IM has

[47:32]to speak against them out of so that he's not accused of

[47:37]supporting this traitor So based on all of this brothers and sisters

[47:40]these they say no we have the right to Rebel we have

[47:45]the right to say no to theim and we have the right

[47:48]to Stage a revolution now which one is right the first side

[47:52]or the second side Allah only Allah subhanahu wa taala knows during

[47:57]the do we have the right to Rebel or do we not

[48:01]have the right to Rebel Allah subhah waala only knows but there

[48:07]is a disagreement between the I ask Allah subhanahu waala to accept

[48:12]all our to bless us and to give us the strength and

[48:15]the power that we continue fasting during the month of Ramadan and

[48:22]doing some of the must of the month of w [Music]

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