Purified Discussions #2 - Starter Pack For the New Seekers of Knowledge

56 المشاهدات· 23/04/14

في عقائد

In the name of Allah,

again we are blessed to have Sheikh Yahya Seymour to discuss the different methods of seeking knowledge, how a beginner should approach the books of the different sciences and the books a beginner should start reading when beginning his journey of seeking knowledge.

#SheikhYahyaSeymour #Knowkedge #HassanAlQadri

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[0:00][Music] sit on my neck on chef Matt how are you how's

[0:22]things fine yeah I can hear you fine thank you for giving

[0:28]us some of your time and I you're very busy no that's

[0:32]perfectly fine yes how's things how's the new year been for you

[0:38]enough I can't complain how orphans for you well al hamdulillah we're

[0:45]staying busy and in love with everything and you know what it's

[0:47]like with family and so on so then have the nice may

[0:52]Allah bless you and preserve you and your family upon the best

[0:56]of health in the best of Iman shop sure so just softer

[1:02]wood it's important to discuss a few things if you have some

[1:06]time for us in Charlotte Schaffner of course next time when you

[1:09]scheduled the call right so of course of course for insurance and

[1:14]we have a bit of time ok so just the first question

[1:17]how important is it to seek knowledge ah wow that's that's a

[1:27]massive one and of course everyone's familiar for perennial statements of the

[1:32]amounts the perennial statements attributed to the prophets and of course if

[1:37]some people do claim that it's weak in origin well everyone knows

[1:40]that in general where as an ethos in Islam of seeking knowledge

[1:47]as several just basic quotes of wisdom that appear in conventional days

[1:52]you'll find people saying for example seek wisdom seek knowledge from the

[1:56]cradle to the grave seek knowledge even if it takes you to

[1:58]China so in general seeking knowledge is is extremely important and it's

[2:07]something which I think it becomes somewhat of a mantra of like

[2:12]just an empty phrase we use in our day-to-day life very few

[2:16]people take it as seriously as it should be taken yeah I

[2:23]think especially if we you look at you know books like github

[2:28]and coffee and mahasin and other books there's always a whole chapter

[2:36]a big long chapter on the emphasis of trying to push people

[2:40]to seek knowledge and it's a shame that the fool acts sometimes

[2:44]maybe our community lacks in that area of actually going pushing themselves

[2:50]to seek knowledge and struggling in the way of allah subhanaw taala

[2:54]to seek knowledge you know we all wake up early for work

[2:59]all wake up early to go uni but how many of us

[3:03]wake up to read a book book of hadith or read the

[3:04]Quran or it's a fear of the piranha or something along them

[3:09]lines of course I mean I I do accept and I do

[3:15]understand fully therefore some people do attempting to proceed of knowledge to

[3:18]that degree can be daunting and it can be difficult it's not

[3:24]you know sometimes we need to understand that knowledge has a hierarchy

[3:28]knowledge has a set of steps that you would take and it's

[3:35]it's really difficult to just expect people to to always be able

[3:39]to approach knowledge without giving them some kind of guidelines as to

[3:44]do so but it's famously been said by imam al-baqir alayhi salatu

[3:47]was-salam that if one of the youth of the shia who did

[3:53]not want to gain knowledge in religion was brought before him he

[3:57]would have inflicted pain upon them now of course such statements we

[4:03]don't take them literally we're not saying that the Imam would have

[4:06]literally strike someone who came in front of him and didn't want

[4:08]to seek knowledge but this language is very common of attempting to

[4:13]explain the severity of something and I think you know I think

[4:18]the questions that I'm going to ask should be able to help

[4:23]the brothers and sisters that are listening to this discussion on how

[4:27]to start first of all think before I get through the questions

[4:32]I have here is how does someone start to motivate themselves to

[4:35]start to read you know read religious books seek religious knowledge and

[4:41]so forth Jenna and your experience in your opinion right ok well

[4:47]that's an excellent question I think firstly for anything the first step

[4:53]is a rather the first step is to have willpower and desire

[4:58]to do something right so in the same way that when you

[5:01]and I were children we probably didn't want to go to school

[5:05]I think very few people want to go to school very few

[5:07]people wanting to learn and especially when you're studying a bunch of

[5:10]different Sciences which don't really have a direct impact on your life

[5:17]and so I think generally might appeal to those who want to

[5:20]start seeking knowledge would be to those who have made a conscious

[5:22]decision to be religious you know if you have made a conscious

[5:26]decision to be a follower of the ethylene Bates and by the

[5:30]way when I say that I don't want anyone to think that

[5:31]I'm talking about converts specifically no I'm talking about that point in

[5:39]your life where you as someone who might be raised in the

[5:42]Shia family has chosen yes this is the path that I wish

[5:46]to continue my life down and this is the path which I

[5:48]believe in once you've made that decision ultimately you need to ask

[5:52]yourself several questions one of those questions would be what does it

[5:58]what is the claim to being a Shia in the first place

[5:59]or trying to be a Shia or being one of them Hwanhee

[6:02]so I don't say this I always give this example what's the

[6:09]difference between say for example you and let's say for example Karen

[6:14]Armstrong or one of these non-muslim writers but writes nice books about

[6:18]the Prophet Mohammad's what would you say the difference is sallallahu aleyhi

[6:22]wanna stay well I would have to say that I actually believe

[6:27]and prophet mohammed salameh Hollywood that's the first what does that mean

[6:32]what does that mean is that us obeying him following his footsteps

[6:36]and propagating his message to the world right so she's not under

[6:42]any obligation now to act upon anything the Prophet Muhammad has set

[6:45]Salah Mahoney will honor but because according to her he's just a

[6:48]distant figure she admires him in the same way she admirers say

[6:55]for example Martin Luther King whoa that doesn't mean that she's now

[6:59]bound to follow Martin Luther King or to follow Gandhi however when

[7:03]you claim to be a follower of a prophet muhammad sallallaahu navona

[7:06]when you claim to be a believer in his message that now

[7:10]Han that now excuse my tongue twister over that now has certain

[7:14]implications what are those implications well one of them is that you

[7:20]would need to see what kind of personality did the Prophet Muhammad

[7:24]sallallahu aleyhi wa ala want to build around him did the Prophet

[7:28]Muhammad SAW Allah Allah did the message that he came with come

[7:32]with any form of encouraging people to seek knowledge more importantly not

[7:41]only are you a Muslim but you're claiming to be a Milani

[7:44]of that little bait they have a Sunnah why are you claiming

[7:49]to be a Milani of that little bait because you in some

[7:51]way shape or form believe that early of nabbit allah alayhi salatu

[7:53]was-salam and those who came after him from the 12 imams are

[8:03]somehow better in order to lead this nation now one of a

[8:06]criterium it's definitely attributed to our lived nabbit all of his knowledge

[8:11]no one would doubt that no one would say that Ali of

[8:13]nebith olive is not known to be a knowledgeable person in fact

[8:16]whenever we want to prove his father and to other people we

[8:21]would often cite that narration ask me before you miss me however

[8:24]exactly son only Salone goblins of Kidani however the question here would

[8:33]be if I'm making that claim and yet I remain dormant stagnant

[8:38]static and wish to be more JA hell of in the average

[8:44]person who follows an alien world view out there then in what

[8:52]way am I possibly under of a shadow and banner of the

[8:55]EEMA in which way am i possibly in any way shape or

[9:01]form attempting to follow venema and that comes back to Federation I

[9:05]cited from a moment back or allahís a lot was salaam lower-tech

[9:12]aids me Sharpe measure baba shia live in ithaca evidene leah no

[9:17]jetta who I would have disciplined him I will disciplined this young

[9:23]man who comes to me from the Shia and doesn't want to

[9:30]do to indeed so clearly we would need to look at the

[9:33]fact that this is definitely something that Allah as a result wants

[9:35]from us this is definitely something that the Imams have encouraged laughing

[9:39]that is the first step to trying to gain knowledge to understand

[9:45]this because nobody can push you down a path unless she wants

[9:49]it yourself I think we can all agree upon that I think

[9:54]that was very beautifully said especially when you stated that the prophet

[10:02]sallallaahu Allen said let me basically wanted to build personalities around him

[10:08]that had knowledge that knew what they were doing and I always

[10:11]say knowledge is like an MA it will tell you where you

[10:15]want to go will direct you I think that's one of the

[10:18]most important things that most people don't understand yes and I think

[10:23]that's it's very true and there's some people unfortunately the general status

[10:29]quo and you know I do have to say something about this

[10:33]and if you don't mind me saying I definitely fell into it

[10:36]many years ago I think you fell into it possibly more recently

[10:41]but then again I do take into account you're younger than me

[10:44]but quite a few years where is this disease as well of

[10:50]sometimes using knowledge like a hammer and their hammer just smashes up

[10:54]everything in its path including any goods that is built up whereas

[10:57]when someone truly has knowledge and builds upon knowledge even understand that

[11:03]knowledge is more about construction that it is destruction or do construction

[11:08]because those two things are very easy to do when we look

[11:13]at those atheist philosophers used to debate with imam as-sadiq alayhi salatu

[11:16]was-salam it been a bo jar and his likes we would find

[11:20]that what they like to do is poke holes at the world

[11:25]view of Islam but there's very little construction going on we're not

[11:30]proving anything positive and that's why you see you know some of

[11:32]these some of these are real groups out there be there Christians

[11:37]or even Muslims of different dispositions and definite leaders there's many shears

[11:41]like this too all they do is they attack for messages of

[11:45]avarice there's very little to do with a positive message of what

[11:50]has been taught might be a celibate you know are definitely and

[11:55]yeah it's coming from someone that you could say was of the

[12:00]same attributes that you're talking about I definitely since I started to

[12:08]change and just study my own I feed them I own my

[12:10]own calm and try to study a flower and so on you

[12:15]do change quite a lot and you do feel a change in

[12:19]your soul and the way you approach things the way you approach

[12:21]people of different sects people different religions and so forth so I

[12:27]definitely can relate to what you're saying sure no 100% but once

[12:35]you go to the a to the important questions so now we're

[12:38]I'm slowly trying to help the brothers and sisters understand how to

[12:42]kind of build that foundation of trying to seek knowledge so what

[12:49]would you say is the starter pack for someone trying to seize

[12:52]knowledge okay the beginning we've already started off with the first step

[12:57]which is e Radha after one has a Radha I would say

[13:02]that the beginning of everything it's a quarter narration of amirul mumineen

[13:05]it start off with absolute silence what do I mean with silence

[13:13]I think if you'll appreciate and I certainly appreciate and I must

[13:17]admit I was actually given this advice by those who were elder

[13:19]to me and superior to me in anyways but unfortunately I didn't

[13:22]understand it at the time silence is that process of realizing that

[13:29]when you're first beginning your path to knowledge you don't really have

[13:35]a right Savalas an opinion I want to come in by BATS

[13:37]a person who is merely getting grounded in knowledge shouldn't open their

[13:46]mouths and speak on matters of knowledge why is that because they

[13:50]lack wisdom they might have facts they might have man or maths

[13:53]they might have particular facts about certain areas of knowledge well what

[13:58]they lack is overall wisdom so they might lack the ability to

[14:05]construct that into a coherence beneath or to understand how such a

[14:10]thing ties in to their other beliefs as well and that's why

[14:13]you find sometimes when someone's newly getting religious they get dragged into

[14:17]them ones by number people they start discussing things which were way

[14:21]above her pay grades so for example they might answer discussions about

[14:27]the shower or the Imam al-hussein alayhi salatu was-salam despite the fact

[14:30]that this is something that is being discussed amongst the most hidden

[14:36]and the mantra here and they don't even understand what constitutes proof

[14:42]let alone how to assess proof and what they end up doing

[14:44]is they end up getting into debates and discussions about these topics

[14:47]so the second step as I said again would be silence be

[14:54]silent and try to absorb knowledge from those more knowledgeable than you

[15:00]and also resources which are available to you fortunately go ahead sorry

[15:07]to interrupt you chef Nia just a quick point to add and

[15:11]correct me because my memory is not serving me 100% it's you

[15:16]know there's the same by units will have the Rahman the companion

[15:19]of Imam or robot and again I was silent for yes yeah

[15:24]for squares or 20 years I see yeah I believe it's 20

[15:28]yes then I spoke for 20 years or something along the lines

[15:31]it just shows you the importance of seeking knowledge and Yunis but

[15:35]after drama was one of the great folk aha of ali muhammad

[15:39]an enormous aha so it just shows you the importance of safe

[15:42]violent and Takada out of course for the fuddled menshov on one

[15:49]of the greatest companions she says in a narration which is minimally

[15:56]attributed to him i and it's it sounds it sounds like a

[15:59]sound eration he says that salman and farsi was the most of

[16:06]the companions and after him it was Yunus bin Abdul Rahman so

[16:09]if that's foreign diminishes on who was actually quite a strict individual

[16:14]and was definitely stricter than then most people would be today if

[16:18]that's him saying that when this is the credit that's being given

[16:22]to Yunus bin Abdul Rahman a man of genuine knowledge who was

[16:26]upon the methodology of his shaman and Hakam and that particular school

[16:30]from amongst the prophets companions well the Imams companions rather yeah sure

[16:36]yeah you continuing Schaffner so that was pointing to I'm I think

[16:42]he was going to add maybe from my wrong yes so points

[16:45]who would be silence for a long duration of time point three

[16:51]would be of course to seek a path of moderation and what

[16:55]I mean by that is Lister when it comes to our youth

[17:01]when it comes to especially us who live in the West there's

[17:05]an expression in in the Arabic language we say caliph saref a

[17:11]person who is controversial becomes known right yeah a person who goes

[17:17]into controversial topics becomes known if you're a controversial person your fame

[17:20]will most certainly be something which shines out yet at the same

[17:27]time we need to understand that just because of your youth and

[17:30]that youth are interested in extremes you know you were always constantly

[17:35]going to extremes and in many things that I did we need

[17:40]to understand that just because something is interesting to you and that

[17:47]something might be relevant to your life does not mean this is

[17:52]the soul needs and priority of vishaya community and how to gain

[17:56]knowledge or sort of revive the youth around you if that makes

[18:04]any sense so what I mean by that is how many a

[18:05]time don't we see people getting obsessed and fixated in debates which

[18:12]I said our way above their pay grades but not because they

[18:15]fit scholarly but rather because that you've genuinely variance is the most

[18:21]important topic in the world so he might for example believe that

[18:26]as I've read the narration about topic X the Olimar seem to

[18:33]be acting contrary to that narration that means all of your a

[18:36]llama with the exception of this one shaft guy is wrong so

[18:39]let me give you an example say from them humps or the

[18:46]shoe like fat yeah now what a youth is able to understand

[18:50]that he does have this tendency to go to extremes he does

[18:55]have this tendency to focus on areas which by the way might

[18:59]seem relevant and interesting to you in reality hath been discussed in

[19:06]the Hausa under not the biggest of issues he would understand it

[19:09]instead of pursuing knowledge upon his Hauer he should rather pursue knowledge

[19:16]methodologically and what I mean by that is he would understand that

[19:19]he has to go through the stepping steps of everything let me

[19:25]give you an example there's a very nice brother who I've been

[19:29]speaking to recently he's a convert and he definitely means well his

[19:33]heart is in the right place but the brother doesn't understand basic

[19:37]Arabic and yet he wants to discuss with me the most advanced

[19:42]aspects of Arabic etymology he was asking me about saga the over

[19:50]week which by the way means Arabic rhyming prose for those of

[19:53]you who are not familiar of it it's it's a literary form

[19:57]in the Arabic language and recently he's been talking about going into

[20:02]El melero and the science behind these letters which by the way

[20:06]is is not particularly or distinctly she it's actually a Sufi based

[20:09]science which many of our Lamaze a holds very little validity and

[20:17]why would you want to go into this stuff when you can't

[20:20]even read a narration and understand the basics of it so it's

[20:27]not that he has a malicious intention it's not that he's evil

[20:29]Rober it's just that a lot as of a job has placed

[20:34]within you an ability to go to extremes and sometimes we don't

[20:38]understand that while something seems cool to study it's not necessarily what

[20:43]we thought of it so it's like many of us youth you

[20:48]know in one of the communities I was serving in it was

[20:53]a youth and he wants us asked for my advice so he

[20:58]picks me up and you know the brother out of his ignorance

[21:00]was listening to a particular form of music which is definitely Haram

[21:04]according to all I got into the car and I had to

[21:08]tell him I told him politely of course you don't to embarrass

[21:10]people in these situations I told him could we please turn off

[21:14]the music you know and let's have a talk about that later

[21:16]on he said of course Shatner then you said to me sure

[21:20]now what do you think about me studying Arif on because I

[21:23]would love to have this ability to read over people's minds and

[21:27]I'm thinking to myself hey baby you know like shreya Shui oh

[21:32]well and let's go to Vero sonnets and how many let's look

[21:38]up the Amish are here but you want to speak to me

[21:39]about in fun well I always say the same thing surely some

[21:44]people they want to go right deep in the deep and very

[21:46]deep into into the controversial dark waters which or yeah buted in

[21:55]the first place yeah and this is a massive problem this is

[21:58]a massive problem another thing is where a person has fixed himself

[22:03]up from what they were yesterday and masha'Allah it might be a

[22:06]miraculous transformation but then they want to judge everybody from the new

[22:12]position that their ass and this this just seems to go against

[22:16]the narration that is given to Abdullah female Hasani where he's told

[22:23]by the Imam that on yours on your journey considered stages of

[22:27]Iman as steps if someone is further behind you you're trying to

[22:31]pick them up with you and if someone is in front of

[22:35]you you're trying to catch up with them as well you're not

[22:38]preferred to make someone at the bottom to fall down to the

[22:42]bottom and to an even lower step you're ready to try and

[22:44]pick them up and build from you know this is something I've

[22:47]experienced kind of myself sooner as I'm sure those who you know

[22:54]kept up to date with me from my early days of me

[22:57]trying to give power and so on there's been a drastic change

[23:00]especially in the last few years and I love to cheat I

[23:04]feel you know they kind of just want to hold you back

[23:07]they don't want you to change but it's just like how do

[23:09]you expect me not to change if I'm trying to seek knowledge

[23:13]I'm trying to be a pseudonym knowledge I'm trying to sit down

[23:17]with scholars discuss different topics how do you expect me not to

[23:20]change my opinions it's just well there certainly is a sickness when

[23:25]it comes to vets and I don't think that some people realize

[23:27]just how much of a bias for is so I've certainly experienced

[23:30]the same thing you know at one point you voice a controversial

[23:33]opinion you repent from that opinion and yet you still have people

[23:38]holding you to how could you ever have had that opinion and

[23:40]it's like sorry hi baby do remember that I wasn't born into

[23:46]this method tub and that we're all trying to search for knowledge

[23:49]you know nobody joins a particular man hedge in order to be

[23:55]evil they join it because they believe it has a degree of

[23:57]truth to it or is upon truth when it becomes apparent to

[24:02]them that it's not upon truth we should be encouraging them to

[24:06]step out of it and trying to encourage them to learn from

[24:10]the error of her ways and particularly what I find you have

[24:14]to do is try and speak to them to see do they

[24:16]still have hidden beliefs from that period of time which need to

[24:21]be rectified because they might rectify some of the juice a arts

[24:24]but then they might have some cool ayats which are problematic what

[24:26]I mean by that is name I have rectified some specific beliefs

[24:31]but they might have some general assumptions from whilst following that incorrect

[24:36]group which are still dormant there but our community can sometimes consist

[24:41]of individuals that don't even realize this level of hypocrisy and I

[24:45]don't mean hypocrisy as in knew bill Monahan munafa cone I mean

[24:52]rather inconsistency yeah sometimes you'll see that when a Sunni speaker who

[24:57]spoke against a Shia and would do tuck fear of him now

[25:01]comes forward and says I'm sorry I was wrong I did suck

[25:03]fear of a share now I considered to my brothers he'll be

[25:05]respected and welcomed with open arms but when a Shia brubber from

[25:12]their own community has made such a mistake no I don't trust

[25:15]him why why was he on that man hench it's it's extremely

[25:23]immature and when you look at the the biggest refutation of this

[25:28]kind of understanding of things is to just read the seer of

[25:31]the Companions of the Imams individuals like more fondle man armor and

[25:38]Joffe who are one points were upon extreme hulu and who when

[25:41]they returned to the Imams were welcomed and accepted and embraced for

[25:45]doing so wasn't enough husband shot down as well and same thing

[25:52]here it was his case would have been extreme talk serious to

[25:54]be honest with you but no but he was not I mean

[25:58]like he was like kind of you could say he left the

[26:03]0 see little us hob from how rough and harsh he was

[26:06]becoming and then if I'm honest definitely yes 30,000 basically calm down

[26:11]and along them lines yes it's you know it's important I would

[26:19]say just like a loss of hannover to Alice's and the holy

[26:21]for honor he says muhammaden-rasul allah well Nadine I mean a man

[26:26]who should go for aa raha ma baina we have to be

[26:30]merciful to each other you want to be a focus are the

[26:34]Companions of Rasul Allah like the Companions of Rasulullah that were upon

[26:38]goodness then you need to be merciful with each other love course

[26:41]without that without that so once a person understands those steps her

[26:51]son brother Hassan he would move away from some of the errors

[26:55]that one makes whilst on a path to knowledge should he do

[26:58]after vets well as we said the Shia community is a diverse

[27:06]community it has many divergent views some of them are more tolerable

[27:10]others are more controversial and I don't think it's our place to

[27:15]get into which of those views are more tolerable and which are

[27:20]more controversial right now I don't think that's necessary but I think

[27:24]what we can say is that there's certainly a middle way which

[27:29]is the motor agreed upon other Elmo taken from the anima of

[27:39]this year and from the Catawba as well who happens to have

[27:43]levels of knowledge so when we see that what we would say

[27:48]is that people should learn from bos Futaba people should study the

[27:52]books of bows or lemma because nobody disagrees upon these particular ulema

[27:57]and their views and when you are beginning your journey in say

[28:02]the field of gaining knowledge you do want to stick to a

[28:09]source which you can be certain of now because no controversy surrounds

[28:13]these individuals it would be your best bet to go and study

[28:16]from them the left and the right both agree upon a said

[28:23]earlier Sistani a said in Hawaii the books of Sade and hockey

[28:26]and so to study those books is never going to put you

[28:31]into difficulty the books of classical or nama as well such as

[28:33]sage Sheriff a Dean of the Hossein Mousavi the Sahaba Raja at

[28:39]if you were to study his books you're not going to go

[28:42]down a pit of confusion so when you start with those books

[28:47]there is no problem when you start with general books about how

[28:51]to gain spirituality books which are not part of what's called air

[28:56]fun and Emily then you're looking to get into issues as well

[28:59]study with general books of a flock because V anima have agreed

[29:10]upon these books but do you think what he what do you

[29:14]think is more important just to start off by focusing on studying

[29:19]a book of art either what we start just between all of

[29:24]your efforts and study in Arabic or maybe a balance of the

[29:28]two what do you think yes oh this is a great question

[29:30]and it's this is certainly you know I at one point of

[29:36]my life I was certainly fixated upon studying up they they're more

[29:39]than anything else and I certainly until now dedicate most of my

[29:42]time to study in al-qaeda however at the end of the day

[29:50]one must also study from almost also study the masala nipped ilaria

[29:56]the basic areas of feck which affect them in their day-to-day lives

[30:03]so there was one point I found in my life where I

[30:05]was focusing on a day there but I had maybe neglected the

[30:10]most basic masala nipton Arya and I think this is the most

[30:13]dangerous path that a person can go down so my advice would

[30:17]be that firstly the kind of person who's going to be seeking

[30:21]knowledge should already know the basics of al-qaeda and when I say

[30:25]the basics of Arcata I mean the five things we are solid

[30:29]in so he eat no boku wa completely with previous though he

[30:35]died Allah and a boy a mama and my heart yes exactly

[30:41]now just to make a point ver that Allah is of course

[30:48]something which we have affirmed from the O so Nadine why because

[30:53]different groups negated addala from the Isola Dean so our Orsola Dean

[31:02]our wants it's a convenient categorization which our anima have come up

[31:07]why because these are the basics which we believe that someone needs

[31:12]to know it is not necessarily because the Imams have stipulated these

[31:16]or solanine in this particular order but because some people seem to

[31:20]have a confusion on on this particular issue so if you have

[31:25]a basic knowledge of verse 5 or so Nadine I believe that

[31:28]at that point you have a basic foundation in akkada and after

[31:34]that you are safe to move on to something more advanced but

[31:42]at that point you should continue and balance your studies were following

[31:46]number 1 Arabic the Arabic language is extremely important and you would

[31:51]find that sometimes a brother is really keen to gain knowledge but

[31:55]because he lacks the most basic skills in Arabic he's going to

[31:58]be held back and a world of resources which is not available

[32:03]in the English language is not available to him secondly secondly at

[32:09]this point to be honest with you he also wants to take

[32:15]on a teacher who's going to train him in what particular discipline

[32:19]but only the masala little ie the masala little our ear for

[32:24]those of you who don't know what that term means this means

[32:28]the basic issues in your life from which you suffer from on

[32:32]a daily basis issues affect siharan ajasa areas like prayer a bada

[32:37]and areas like that especially from the Muharram a lot for those

[32:42]of us who live in the in the West with her important

[32:44]issues a person must study be since - when a person studies

[32:50]those things he should ideally study them of a teacher but what

[32:53]should that teacher now be adding into that particular discussion he should

[33:00]also be adding in areas of what areas of a flock why

[33:07]does the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu never Allah has said but I was

[33:13]not sense except to perfect the best of moral values now if

[33:17]we are claiming to follow that prophet salallahu alaihe honor someone who

[33:22]is a mercy for mankind someone who was be walking quran then

[33:27]how is it helping when you're acting like a bunch of street

[33:34]rats when you're speaking to people about religion that's why I say

[33:40]shefte sorry to interrupt you I fall into this sometimes myself and

[33:45]that's because you know I am born and bred in or not

[33:50]born in London but you know I was brought up and raised

[33:54]in London so sometimes I use slang without even realizing I'm using

[33:58]it but I always what others tell them Shabaab don't use slang

[34:01]is not the way forward our amounts were eloquent individuals and we

[34:07]need to be eloquent like them we need to be on that

[34:09]path so I think there's a very important if you want to

[34:13]represent that he'll bait if she tried to be as well-spoken as

[34:18]she can and I'm talking to myself before anyone because I sometimes

[34:23]without realizing new slang news you know words that are grammatically wrong

[34:27]or something along them lines but we tried to push forward and

[34:30]we try to correct ourselves and that's the most important place to

[34:34]highlight your mistake know your mistake so that you don't do your

[34:37]mistake inshallah well I'm glad that you recognized this particular issue of

[34:45]in yourself I think definitely if you can recognize these things before

[34:49]other stuff to tell you about them it's excellent and as you

[34:53]said this is not a religion which encourages want to come across

[34:59]as undereducated as part of an underclass of in society and so

[35:05]I think it's good certainly needs to speak proper romantical English however

[35:11]that being said we're all fallible human beings and we all make

[35:16]mistakes so I certainly don't have a problem with grammar in the

[35:19]English language but my problem would be that my tongue gets twisted

[35:26]quite easily and sometimes I chew my words or I chew my

[35:28]letters yeah it's a procedure well there's a particular issue ultimately no

[35:37]you're right and so we've a teacher in a flock who's teaching

[35:42]the universal in its inner ear you would also just move into

[35:51]studying general bhava so I believe that a great place starts is

[35:58]of course anyone who is not familiar with a world outside of

[36:03]her own is constantly going to be a victim to ver her

[36:08]own situation and what I mean by that is you and I

[36:14]we grow up in a certain environment correct we have certain types

[36:18]of people around us correct it would be very easy to view

[36:21]the world from our limited bubble however there is only one way

[36:30]to break being a victim of your own chronology and circumstances there's

[36:36]two distinct ways a person could do it via revelation if Allah

[36:40]breaks them from that then that would help however we're not prophets

[36:45]and probably hood has been cut off so that's not going to

[36:50]happen or you could do it through studying history because if you

[36:53]study history you would understand that people have found themselves in circumstances

[36:57]quite like this before and how they got out of it why

[37:00]they failed and why IRAs succeeded yes so if a person is

[37:09]to be successful in breaking this victimhood of being a victim of

[37:14]your own circumstances I suggest there's two ways to do it number

[37:18]one the study of general human history and number two the study

[37:24]of a Quran which is revelation once you study the Quran you

[37:27]would see all the historical trends that the previous nations went through

[37:31]and why we should not be surprised with some of the things

[37:34]that occur in our Ummah today and in our times today when

[37:38]studying the nature of the Companions of the Imams in history as

[37:42]well as the rise and fall of other civilizations we would understand

[37:47]what they did wrong and what operas did correctly and we should

[37:51]try to learn from those particular examples and I believe that's very

[37:57]important for anyone to do otherwise the way you're constantly going to

[38:02]be in the passenger seat and just letting other people lead you

[38:09]in life to be honest of you I agree I think it's

[38:11]people forget that the Imams the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa early what

[38:17]were the people's the Imams of the people so they they knew

[38:22]how to talk to people how to communicate with people that are

[38:26]not just Arabs there were Persian Indians and from different cultures different

[38:31]backgrounds I think this is something very important I feel especially you

[38:36]know being someone that's Iraqi myself I feel you know especially convert

[38:41]sometimes and I know because I've spoken to them when they come

[38:47]to like our centers and so on they feel very alienated if

[38:51]we're very secluded they feel like they are they are the way

[38:54]something they certainly do and I I'll be honest with you in

[39:01]my humble diagnosis of that situation the problem is twofold the problem

[39:05]is that the convert walk sense of a community expecting to be

[39:08]some kind of utopia but if the convert was familiar for Ojai

[39:12]arts they would understand that this community was never meant to be

[39:18]a utopia and that utopias don't exist until are awaited Savior comes

[39:22]and establishes one so that's just not something that a convert is

[39:25]everyone to find in our community and number two mushiya community is

[39:30]one that faced persecution globally and hence first strategy was more one

[39:36]of cultural preservation as opposed to cultural assimilation and so as a

[39:42]result what you'll find is that they remain very ethnic centric and

[39:49]many a time the Shabaab themselves don't have a decent concept of

[39:53]what it means to be religious because this was failed to be

[39:56]instilled into them by an earlier generation who were more concerned with

[40:00]just preserve serving Ashiya culture in the face of global oppression so

[40:06]when you understand that you'll understand things a bit better sometimes I

[40:11]must admit converts really don't help themselves by just expecting things to

[40:17]be perfect and sometimes to assert didn't agree I think they carry

[40:21]a superiority complex on their shoulders and that doesn't help either if

[40:26]I'm to be honest with you the only way anyone can liberate

[40:32]themselves in this community be very convert or born Muslim is through

[40:36]knowledge there was only by understanding the truth can you set yourself

[40:40]free from the shackles and limitations of ignorance Allah bless you sure

[40:45]how that was perfectly said I just want to go back to

[40:51]be one of the your points she said when we were speaking

[40:53]about the balance between art either and learning Arabic what books of

[40:59]art either do you recommend for a beginner I mean where should

[41:01]he start with books I'm a critic because you know like you

[41:05]said sometimes there is a book of art either by a specific

[41:08]scholar and there might be a few question marks on that scholar

[41:13]or on his opinions so where do you start off with what

[41:15]is the safe ground for you to start off which work do

[41:21]you recommend when I started off at the Hauser and London first

[41:23]book we were thoughts which in my humble opinion was a dirac

[41:30]it was a disastrous book to begin with was mashiac read my

[41:34]shaco so doc and I say that because someone who hasn't gone

[41:39]through the basics of Crete the basics of intercog should not be

[41:44]done for a book like that rather I believe a good book

[41:47]to sort off would be would be to follow the standard formulas

[41:51]as our thoughts in the house' and they would generally teach the

[41:58]book akkad in amamiya of alma before it has been translated into

[42:02]english as the faith of shiite islam published by al mohammed ii

[42:06]trust I believe another great book is doctrines of Shia Islam by

[42:14]a Jaffa Subhani which has been translated by RZA shock caused me

[42:19]it's an excellent book oh really oh yes yes it's an excellent

[42:24]book by the way it's different from his book and you know

[42:26]here it's not the same book okay yeah it is a much

[42:33]more in-depth book in Arabic in addition to that Ayatollah Wahid and

[42:38]Horus on his book yeah that's an introduction to the Isola Deen

[42:43]from his verse a little Armenia has been translated by said Ali

[42:50]Rosa recipe I believe and this book was actually written by one

[42:54]of the great scholars I believe it was partially inspired by the

[42:56]great scholar chef ali al jazeera from Assam and anyone who follows

[43:03]lectures in the Arabic language would know that that's individual is not

[43:08]a small fish in a leader and his opinion is very weighty

[43:11]you know one must take into consideration at this book is a

[43:18]book for absolute beginners and wherefore don't expect miraculous answers in there

[43:23]but nonetheless I think these are excellent starting points yes I think

[43:29]the book by chef will hate is definitely a big recommendation for

[43:34]my my side I think it's very easy to understand very good

[43:38]for a beginner and he doesn't use complicated terminology I think that's

[43:44]one of the important from Saved Maddie even said Hadi a model

[43:51]she also has a book translated from the element of mesh heads

[43:55]I believe were heavily inspired by them which goes through the basic

[43:59]tenants of creed as well that book for a beginners level in

[44:04]my humble opinion is not a bad book to go through to

[44:09]now to bear in mind I've stated and I've placed my cards

[44:11]on the table so to speak I am stating that this is

[44:15]a beginner's level I don't want anyone who's an advanced student of

[44:19]theology to think that I'm recommending these books for someone of that

[44:24]level and I think do you agree with everything in the book

[44:31]so would you say that's just generally what's accepted you could say

[44:36]whenever they speak of areas of Crete I generally agree with its

[44:39]when they speak about social political phenomenon I might have my own

[44:44]reservations and when I say I might have my own reservations stock

[44:48]fell along with lemon Kelly Montana this is not in a position

[44:55]to have reservations rather ulema have reservations about some socio-political statements within

[45:03]these books particularly in the chapters towards the end of a pardon

[45:08]Amamiya basha column of offer there are some statements which have been

[45:13]amended by our ulema in the commentaries of this particular work but

[45:17]generally we could say Joomla 10 we agree before wolfies works tough

[45:25]ceylon there's some discussion we can say that sure do you do

[45:30]you think like I always tell the brothers and sisters to go

[45:37]back to the books of Allah Mohammed more specifically al-kafi volume 1

[45:42]and 2 you know books like Amalia feed lefty judge looks like

[45:47]that where they get to understand the rhythm of the words of

[45:51]Allah Muhammad do you think someone that you know is a beginner

[45:58]shouldn't be reading books of hadith or what do you think or

[46:00]do you think they should be reading it but not to come

[46:04]to their home conclusion or would you say chef no I think

[46:07]it is difficult for those of us who are entering into this

[46:14]path for the first time two entirely separate our ruminating thoughts from

[46:20]the ability to have the discipline of being under the allah ma

[46:24]and so whilst I do encourage returning back to a Hadi I

[46:31]would recommend a formal guided process so for example I was quite

[46:36]impressed by the publications of al-kafi or wedges Arvin coffee why I

[46:41]think the company is called aqua media under the guidance of Sharra's

[46:45]one a roster where he translated some of kitab and katha pollitt

[46:51]and i believe yes and in doing so he also left some

[46:58]kind of points of tadabbur for the reader to understand i think

[47:01]this was an excellent project would I advise them to go back

[47:08]to say the copies of an coffee that are translated by Sheikh

[47:11]Mohammed star war of New York no not necessarily because I get

[47:17]concerned that when someone picks up for all coffee for example they

[47:20]would believe that now they're a bit they have an ability to

[47:23]do is lift up against and actually issue rulings and this is

[47:28]an issue that I've seen with some robbers they would say but

[47:31]the merger goes against this particular ruling and he doesn't understand that

[47:36]this particular ruling might be a Shara the narration it might come

[47:40]from an earlier Imam and be abrogated by a lesser Imam or

[47:45]the context may be abrogated in and of itself or maybe relations

[47:51]may even be weak yeah so now we're just saying that it's

[47:55]may be that that specific duration is specific or not general or

[48:05]something else it could be periods but Allah Allah could be more

[48:08]quiet yeah or more importantly it could just be weak to be

[48:12]honest of you sometimes this is the case as well and yet

[48:16]you have this new phenomenon with people who will pick up his

[48:19]books and assume they can understand and what's actually the funniest for

[48:24]me in such situations is the fact that they're dependent upon someone

[48:27]else's translation and jun-seok lead of a translator at yen lambaste and

[48:32]the rest of a community for doing Chuck lead of homage to

[48:40]it so would you say chef the reader coffee for example but

[48:44]don't think that now you know I would say read a sullen

[48:52]coffee yeah well I don't recommend anyone reads for a rava I

[48:55]don't think there's any benefit for the lay person to do that

[48:58]right now read kita Battelle he'd of shekels so doc Reid's for

[49:04]example good books out here you wanna look bottle river I'm not

[49:10]necessarily sure about key table a judge I would recommend that at

[49:15]this particular point I think that some of the deep remove are

[49:18]mean of kita boleh Oh judge require better training in the field

[49:21]of archives and just be careful in everything you do it's like

[49:29]one time I saw an individual it's a nice guy he means

[49:34]well well I I don't think he always has the the intelligence

[49:37]to pull off what he's doing he is a Muslim but he

[49:43]doesn't belong to the Shia sect and he wrote a book about

[49:46]some of Shahrukh's work and in that book he naturally make claims

[49:51]about sheer hadith say this but this goes against Shia filk and

[49:57]what he doesn't understand is he's misunderstood Shia fit in the first

[50:01]place so in doing so he misunderstood venerations too and eventually is

[50:06]Bozeman ah he votes I will I'll definitely release them at some

[50:11]point but that's in how in making such basic errors it displays

[50:17]generally what can happen when you read a narration you think you

[50:21]understand it's because of your lack of knowledge of how the jurists

[50:25]have actually based for effect you've actually misunderstood navitor what you're claiming

[50:35]contradicts a narration so do you think it is important to seek

[50:41]knowledge from the scholars and not actually from the books of the

[50:45]you know absolutely absolutely absolutely this is a living tradition this is

[50:50]not a tradition that dar and was lost on a bookshelf covered

[50:58]in dust sure it's kind of like even the times of the

[51:01]Imams and the Imams would say a Hadi and but he would

[51:06]also you know recommend them to refer to someone that's a Fafi

[51:09]you know you know the faces narration you know where someone else

[51:12]the Imam he says referred to you as been Abdul Rahman or

[51:15]refer to surah refer to this companion or that companion I think

[51:22]it's important to know that it's not that we are stopping you

[51:24]from referring back to the words of an inmate but rather it's

[51:27]someone that specializes in there a wire and he bait so you

[51:32]get a better meaning of course of course example I always I

[51:38]really enjoy reading an article by modulus E which is a shutter

[51:44]humble coffee I think it's nothing is really it's nice to know

[51:50]to see a expert you know delving into the hadith of a

[51:57]debate I think that's important yeah so chef what do you think

[52:01]especially now we're in the new decade what challenges would you think

[52:09]are the new challenges of the decade right now of course I'm

[52:13]not talking about the corona virus or anything and that's their discussion

[52:17]but yeah well there's a challenge to that is still a challenge

[52:20]yeah that is a challenge and of course Islamic biomedical ethics is

[52:27]an area but the jurists are looking into so we certainly don't

[52:31]need to consider ourselves to concern ourselves with that at the level

[52:35]of the layperson at least yeah yeah so what do you think

[52:42]is the challenges of the new decade and what are the dangers

[52:46]of the community currently you know being faced in the West that's

[52:51]a great question and of course anything I say is not so

[52:58]just use a western term it's not gospel right and gospel is

[53:01]taken to me in both wings which are true even though the

[53:04]Gospels themselves are heavily rigged with fabrications and dodgy informations yeah absolute

[53:10]is gospel at some level but it's not gospel according to how

[53:16]for Western expression means it's what I'm trying to say is my

[53:19]words are not a four it ativ rather they're of a personal

[53:22]subjective opinions of this Vitara in regards to the challenges that we

[53:29]face in the West is there certain ones which I think we

[53:32]can all admit or definitely challenges one of those things is vets

[53:36]whilst the ancestors of Ischia community may not have held on to

[53:44]constant religiosity by the meaning of a word they may have been

[53:47]jahil in many areas there may have been points of time where

[53:50]they were not necessarily following the a common if appear to the

[53:55]best of her ability you have to understand they were under several

[53:58]oppressive governments - and they went through several phases which weren't always

[54:02]the most merciful but at the same time they were constantly surrounded

[54:05]by one thing and that was a majority who were following a

[54:09]particular ikeda so if you were growing up for example in the

[54:17]city of Baghdad there was a majority Shia Aveda if you were

[54:19]growing up for example in the city of Karbala majority Shia al-qaeda

[54:23]if you were growing up for example in the city of Najaf

[54:26]majority Shia okay there you did not have to worry about an

[54:32]invading foreign influence which could snatch away your children step by step

[54:37]now what do I mean by that I think that very few

[54:41]people wake up in the morning and printer themselves then I'm gonna

[54:45]leave shiism I'm gonna become a Christian I'm gonna become an atheist

[54:47]I'm gonna become an agnostic but at the end of the day

[54:54]Amir al-mumineen alayhi salat wa salam says an osteoma rahem Ashba am

[54:59]in home me now about him or a sheba Manabe Han I

[55:05]believe the exact duration says the people are in regards to their

[55:08]leaders and a leader would of course be a reflection of how

[55:10]society is they resemble where leader is more than they do for

[55:17]Old Farmer's what's that telling you I made on what many in

[55:20]the selling the dominant way of thinking in society is going to

[55:24]affect your children now given that you and I live in the

[55:30]liberal West there is definitely certain aspects of our life where we've

[55:34]been affected by that you know if we were to ask most

[55:37]of the Shabaab why don't you give enough time to religion most

[55:41]of them what can consider this question rather naive many of them

[55:44]will tell you well Sharon I've got to think about my finances

[55:48]I've got to think about having the biggest house having the nicest

[55:51]car and being comfortable in this world now where does that particular

[55:56]understanding come from it doesn't come from Islam it comes from liberalism

[56:02]but belief that we have been created or rather not that we

[56:05]have been created but our entire purpose upon this planet is to

[56:10]experience as much pleasure and be as free and successful as possible

[56:17]now I think that the vast majority of our youth have been

[56:20]affected by that whether or not that you can consciously realize it

[56:23]I don't think many of our you even know what liberalism is

[56:27]still that still there is there ikeda why is that you're up

[56:30]either because that's what society is teaching them through its entertainment fruits

[56:35]TV shows fruits music through its everyday posters and advertisements that we

[56:41]see so definitely there is a degree of that another type of

[56:47]belief at a lot of worship at have is a degree of

[56:50]nihilism to that they create their own purpose and meaning in life

[56:56]so I would say that the religiosity of many Shias today is

[56:59]similar to the idol worshippers of the past and what do I

[57:03]mean by that I'm not faulting anyone wallahi I'm not I'm not

[57:07]trying to make this year community think that we and by the

[57:13]way I'll even take that those words back because I'm not here

[57:17]to bash Fisher community for things which everybody does I think every

[57:22]single religious ideology in the West via Christianity Judaism Islam Sunni Shia

[57:29]and abhava when it comes to the way they worship in the

[57:33]it has been influenced to a certain degree by the West bar

[57:40]by the West to such a degree that it's akin to idol

[57:44]worship of the past and what do I mean by that in

[57:47]the past the Romans when they worship their idols they lived their

[57:50]life on a day-to-day basis doing normal things but then they might

[57:55]offer some worship to the idol they might sacrifice something for the

[57:58]idol they might do a wedding at the temple of the idol

[58:02]but then when it comes to their day-to-day life outside of those

[58:07]minutes of worship their life was generally not affected by a belief

[58:12]in God's nor in Hereafter nor in trial punishment and reward so

[58:20]they lived their life believing that the gods affect very little in

[58:23]their life I think most of us we live life in that

[58:31]way today - I think a lot of the brothers and sisters

[58:34]have good intentions they want to learn they want to you know

[58:40]push forward they want to develop their Eman make that human stronger

[58:44]and so forth but I think without realizing in reality they are

[58:49]only spending probably about 3 4 5 percent of their day focused

[58:56]on religion focused on God focused on and most of that is

[58:59]in is impure obadah so for example do move oh and yeah

[59:04]offering prayers yeah I don't think much of it is done in

[59:06]to or at all and I think I think you shall know

[59:14]that I mean we need to kind of you know as a

[59:20]community start to unite start to educate ourselves and start to because

[59:24]you know sometimes the youth they might finish college let's say at

[59:29]5 4 o'clock 3 o'clock and usually we don't have something going

[59:35]on for them but if we're able to gather them and show

[59:38]them that religion isn't just being sitting there and and just you

[59:41]know reciting love me and that's it or reciting for our No

[59:46]and that's it it's about bringing the community together developing together having

[59:53]fun together is making our relationship stronger so that we are able

[59:59]to propagate the religion properly and insha'Allah you know get the greatest

[60:04]rewards on the day of judgment insha'Allah think as well in charlatans

[60:08]and charlatans and of course I do think that there needs to

[60:13]be a degree of responsibility taken by those who are stepping up

[60:16]into positions of leadership they need to understand that if robbery you

[60:20]are not fit to hold your own in a discussion of anybody

[60:24]as to why you believe what you believe rather you're probably not

[60:27]in a position to be guiding anyone else if you haven't been

[60:30]able to guide yourself to that point Robert you have to you

[60:35]ought to start considering should I be guiding anyone else to this

[60:39]point is it fair for me to be taking the role of

[60:44]a Shepherd when I myself am one of those lost sheep I

[60:47]think it's important to as I always say it's important for one

[60:53]to highlight his own mistake fix that mistake and when tried to

[60:57]highlight other people's mistake and fix that mistake for them or help

[60:59]them to fix that mistake yes I've helped them to fix the

[61:05]mistake don't be that sniper in the background whosever to shoot everybody

[61:09]in the back um without helping them everybody has particular problems in

[61:13]their lives you know we all live in the West and people

[61:15]who live in the West no but it's difficult to live in

[61:18]the West it's a very hedonistic capitalistic society in which you really

[61:22]have to fight hard to survive we talk about the fact that

[61:27]the West has so many rights and benefits you know we talk

[61:30]about how in the West you don't go starving I've seen more

[61:35]acts of generosity in poverty-stricken Muslim countries than I see in the

[61:39]West if I'm to be honest with you and so it is

[61:42]a very dog-eat-dog society in the West and it's difficult to knit

[61:45]to not get caught up in that so we're not judging anyone

[61:47]for very mistaken as brubber recognize your mistakes yeah I agree sure

[61:57]and I hope too mashaallah y-you know these discussions that we have

[62:03]and the videos that we put up and the different modulus and

[62:09]the different organizations unite and come together to help the different younger

[62:13]brothers and sisters in sha Allah strengthen their Iman and get closer

[62:19]to loss an order Allah just one master question Jeff now just

[62:24]before we end it what do you think is the role of

[62:29]the scholars in the West how do you think is the best

[62:34]way for a scholar or someone let's say of knowledge to interact

[62:40]with the youth in the West and what is the different methods

[62:46]you should that should be taken to you know strengthen that relationship

[62:51]between someone of knowledge or someone that is a scholar with the

[62:58]youth I don't want to speak about things in mutlaq terms I'm

[63:01]not in a position to tell the scholars how they ought to

[63:06]behave scholars will tell me how I should behave in Charlotte AMA

[63:11]however perhaps we could divert the question to speaking or on what

[63:16]tactics have I found to be more successful no no no please

[63:23]I should forgive me for for not being able to answer your

[63:28]actual question in regards to how we are to deal with the

[63:33]youth we have to we are to understand that we live in

[63:35]a time in which challenges are rife unfortunately we didn't actually get

[63:39]through that question as to what the challenges are I only only

[63:43]mentioned liberalism to be honest of you and there's a lot more

[63:46]well we understand that mental health is a massive particular issue these

[63:50]days and I don't know why this global phenomenon is sweeping over

[63:54]humanity it's something that seems to be affecting people in the West

[63:58]and in the Middle East today people are forming into anxiety and

[64:04]depression of course depression being to live in the past and as

[64:06]I see being to be afraid of the future and in all

[64:09]of that in all these problems that the you find themselves and

[64:13]sometimes it's a fault of the parents for bringing them into such

[64:20]a crude and lewd atmosphere without giving them enough time to kind

[64:24]of preserve them and protect them from the hungry wolves around them

[64:27]in society who would choose to bring them out of the light

[64:29]and into the darkness out of purity and into the dirt we

[64:36]as students of knowledge we as people who have dedicated our lives

[64:42]to serving the Alan Bates to serving Allah Azza WA JAL and

[64:45]to trying to guide people back from the darkness into the light

[64:54]it is our primary responsibility in such days to not have a

[65:00]judgmental attitude when it comes to youth but that is not to

[65:06]say we let the youth take for take the mick to use

[65:09]a more sanitized expression when it comes to our time that is

[65:16]not to say that we would allow you to defile the sanctity

[65:19]of gatherings in the name of Allah Mohammed or to waste our

[65:27]time talking about law in lab but rather we ought to be

[65:30]patient with his youth the Versa Luke was not destroyed overnight and

[65:34]so we shouldn't expect to be able to repair a versa Luke

[65:39]overnight Ivor in the same way it takes time to damage something

[65:42]it takes time to repair something too so and so the first

[65:48]thing we need to have is supper the second thing we need

[65:50]to have is an understanding of human nature if you don't understand

[65:55]psychology you have no role speaking to people who are around you

[66:00]but if you'll never be able to understand them thirdly we need

[66:06]to have knowledge and experience if we don't have knowledge and experience

[66:11]we can't guide those who lack knowledge and lack guidance or forfeit

[66:15]when it comes to this and this is particularly important we need

[66:21]to destroy we need to obliterate and we need to completely remove

[66:33]this process of having a sacred hierarchy and what I mean by

[66:37]that is this view that the are limb is someone who has

[66:40]to be respected people have to carry everything for him he has

[66:45]to be given a special seat he can't sit down with the

[66:48]young ones of the community because he's so important in Araki they

[66:57]use the expression logger our in force how we would say that

[67:01]someone is not on my lap but a person is a sycophant

[67:08]a person is a to use a lack of to use a

[67:12]very informal expression in the english language a person is a suck-up

[67:18]we don't want people to show fake for manatees to their anima

[67:21]and not show them their true face rubber if you are struggling

[67:26]with anything in this life my sister you are struggling with anything

[67:29]in this life you need to seek advice and guidance from the

[67:33]anima and the ulema can only help you if they understand who

[67:38]you are if you present to them a face which is a

[67:40]face glossed over various switches made up and they can help you

[67:50]because we're not seeing the true you and so only from having

[67:52]an honest relationship with our between our students of knowledge our ulema

[67:56]our speakers and the youth candle speakers genuinely be able to help

[68:06]those who were in trouble situations I think experience is probably one

[68:10]of the most important aspects when it comes to dealing with the

[68:15]youth sometimes being from the West yourself if you're you know if

[68:20]you're a hobby or someone of knowledge or scholar I think it's

[68:24]it's important because you start to understand how to interact with them

[68:29]and to you know go down to their level another other day

[68:32]I had a I got a message from our brother and he

[68:37]said I've got a question I said yeah he said our food

[68:41]a bit too embarrassed to ask maybe even you're going to get

[68:44]upset I said them no please ask he said mother husband why

[68:50]do you I see you're someone that sits with all different types

[68:55]of groups is there a particular reason why you know I don't

[69:00]see just sit with one group you know the group that's you

[69:05]know quote-unquote religious and students of knowledge and so on I said

[69:10]to them look I'm someone being a student of knowledge or as

[69:16]I like to say it's me personally trying to be a student

[69:19]of knowledge that doesn't mean you are better than anyone else rather

[69:22]it just means you need to you have you have a bit

[69:28]more understanding of your religion how to communicate how to interact with

[69:31]different people and I said Tim I said time I interact with

[69:33]different people because even if they take three percent of my advice

[69:39]three percent of my advice that's good enough and then maybe in

[69:43]a few months and in the next year he might take 10

[69:48]percent 15 percent because you need to have effect on people I

[69:52]think that's what's the most important thing is that you know for

[69:55]us I think we're better than anyone I do agree with you

[70:00]but at the same time I would advise that we need to

[70:02]take a couple of principles into consideration number one Raja Liu and

[70:07]Adina's Harbor a man is upon the religion of his companions if

[70:12]somebody sees that you're hanging around constantly with people of indecency debauchery

[70:16]people who crack jokes about things which are very inappropriate and show

[70:23]very little respect for your presence in the gathering then this will

[70:27]essentially drag you down and people might start asking questions of if

[70:32]this person's nature is that he likes to associate of such individuals

[70:36]that what is truly his nature what is the face but he's

[70:38]not showing us the second principle I would say we need to

[70:43]take into account is that we can never give up a principle

[70:44]of Amitabha morrow from that human monk oh of course that is

[70:49]done with patience is done with a clock and it's done with

[70:50]a best of conduct we can't start going in and going full

[70:55]you know we can't stop going full more power on these people

[71:00]and being like brother a sock for Allah this is Haram some

[71:02]of patience you can tell a joke and and still let them

[71:06]know that is Haram you can do so in a way which

[71:07]doesn't humiliate the individual thirdly I think that of course as the

[71:16]Quran States consume helmeted original in us tomorrow Nabil morrow for turn

[71:22]hone andamooka when it comes to that particular verse we see that

[71:29]the Quran encourages us to do amaral Marwan a Hyneman car and

[71:33]it states that the only way that this community will survive is

[71:37]through doing so we need to continue to do that and fourthly

[71:45]on this particular points I would say that when you have religious

[71:48]friends if they are young and new in their religious ways keep

[71:56]them separated from those who are more problematic because how many a

[72:00]time don't me see that there's so much promise and fruit so

[72:03]it's good to come from one of our Shabaab and yet a

[72:07]couple of bad apples are able to spoil him for the rest

[72:09]of his life so hey I've seen that quite a lot happen

[72:14]that happened quite a lot see it happening anyway thank you for

[72:19]your time we really appreciate your time and hope that we can

[72:23]do this a bit more often the last one we did was

[72:28]months ago lorries in charlatans and we'll definitely see I feel my

[72:32]schedules get anyway for your business so that shouldn't be a problem

[72:34]in Charlotte and always a pleasure former hazard I sends my salams

[72:41]to all of the robbers back in London and of course don't

[72:44]forget this fakir in a robbery from your Doha and I certainly

[72:49]have not forgotten any of you from my daughter Shana Eva Marcille

[72:57]Amma solace instead of muscle

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