Palestine Will Be Free

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Hussain Makke
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A personal discussion regarding Palestine & it's history in light of the events of October 2023. Featuring: - S. Mohammad El-Chaer - S. Jafar Hammoud - S. Moutaz Al-Wehwah - S. Hussain Makke

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[0:03]my brothers and my sisters today I am sitting at this table

[0:09]with my brothers fellow students of Islam and fellow representatives of our

[0:15]diaspora Community around the world the situation at hand has moved many

[0:24]of us we felt it was timely to have a discussion considering

[0:28]our positions in our communities and the fact that we are Muslims

[0:31]and the fact that we are Arabs and the fact that we

[0:35]want to stand with the oppressed wherever we are what's happening right

[0:38]now in Palestine has moved us to have this conversation from the

[0:44]perspective of our personal lives and in terms of education so bah

[0:49]Brothers we figured we would begin by speaking about what Palestine means

[0:55]to us personally because Palestine seems to be a focal Point not

[1:02]only when it comes to the world powers but even when it

[1:05]comes to personal lives of individuals and I grew up with this

[1:10]love in my heart almost as if I feel like I'm from

[1:12]that land even though I'm from Lebanon and in reality we are

[1:17]all one people and I'm not I'm not more related to someone

[1:20]from balak than I am to someone in the ks it's closer

[1:24]to me in South Lebanon and those borders don't divide us but

[1:27]even those who are further away on the other side of the

[1:33]World feel a close connection to Palestine I think it's important for

[1:36]us to begin with how we feel personally about Palestine what it

[1:41]means to us and our earliest memories of it CU I'm sure

[1:45]so many people watching this are going to relate to that what's

[1:47]interesting is all four of us either were born or raised in

[1:52]the west were you all born in the west yes I was

[1:53]born here you were born in Lebanon B in Lebanon you you

[1:56]were born in the west yes I was born in Germany all

[1:59]right so you you born in Germany born and raised in Germany

[2:02]you're raised in Australia Sydney Australia jaf you Toronto Canada Toronto Canada

[2:08]and I was in Britain United Kingdom so we all have something

[2:13]to say here with Australia there was great colonialism against the Australian

[2:22]aboriginals Germany is Germany I put my head though no the UK

[2:24]no I put my head down um obviously actually we don't we

[2:29]don't have to put our head down we didn't do because we

[2:30]didn't do this no we didn't do this just because we were

[2:32]born there doesn't mean that that's there's conflict in this for us

[2:36]though personally and and Canada and the UK is pretty pretty much

[2:40]on the same page she Muhammad as a young man who was

[2:44]born and raised in Germany what was your experience like as a

[2:49]Muslim as an Arab and as a German all right soam alayum

[2:56]everyone um when it comes to that question H I have to

[2:59]actually go back in my memory because when it comes to Palestine

[3:05]and my Early Childhood I think we all grew up seeing that

[3:08]kuf that is now forbidden and restricted and a symbol of terrorism

[3:13]whereas if we really look at its symbols and what it refers

[3:19]to it's just something that is representing a nation right the the

[3:25]the olive paper and the the net for for the fish Etc

[3:31]uh however when I look back I always remember our Scholars wearing

[3:36]it our people wearing it and to me it was like why

[3:39]are I wearing this white piece right so to me if I

[3:43]have to go back uh I think this is how I got

[3:48]introduced to Palestine through that kuf because they were wearing it as

[3:52]a symbol for these people to remind us of these people and

[3:54]we find uh for example the supreme leader of Iran wearing all

[4:00]the time a and all of his speeches so if you ask

[4:04]me about my earliest childhood memory I would say uh I associate

[4:09]this with Palestine Hal I don't really think if if I if

[4:12]I want to be honest that there's something special about like being

[4:18]born in Germany and Palestine I don't see you know that something

[4:20]happened in my childhood because I'm in Germany that affected my view

[4:25]of Palestine we all grew up and I believe this we we

[4:30]all have this in common you know we grew up in know

[4:32]Palestine is occupied and somewhere as kids we're like this is this

[4:35]is what it is right and then as we grew up we

[4:39]understood what's going on when we saw pictures images of innocent people

[4:42]getting killed you you mentioned as we were preparing for this podcast

[4:47]uh the very famous Muhammad dur those scenes those scenes those pictures

[4:52]that I believe no one will ever forget earliest memories earliest memories

[4:56]how he was there with his son and screaming yelling for help

[4:59]and then the next image we see is him dead and his

[5:03]son right we all have these images so these are my M

[5:07]why do you think by the way why do you think that

[5:09]scene affected so many of us as young kids honestly CU it's

[5:17]pure uh oppression it's it's helplessness it's just somebody the father being

[5:24]there for his son being in a corner with no one there

[5:27]for him to help him to Aid him and he's he's harmless

[5:31]yeah he's not doing anything he's just there and there's probably 20

[5:35]30 50 soldiers I don't know how many there were just having

[5:40]the the guns at him and shooting at him I remember thinking

[5:43]the first time they ever thought that that could have been me

[5:47]and my father like that that scene you just painted I always

[5:51]felt but why like that could be me it could have been

[5:52]any one of us and that's why it's so important Palestine is

[5:56]so important because they are us we could have been them exactly

[5:59]that's one number two I think there's nothing worse for a father

[6:02]to to be helpless when it comes to his family being attacked

[6:07]or and when he feels that he's helpless he can't do nothing

[6:10]so we see that he's he's hiding his son I think this

[6:15]is what really uh uh impacted us and left this effect on

[6:18]us and no he's he's just there he can't do nothing then

[6:22]he's dead why why so I think this is what most people

[6:27]can relate to and these pictures went viral everyone has them in

[6:30]mind everyone knows what I'm what I'm saying so I think these

[6:32]were my earliest childhood memories what you what was your experience like

[6:37]growing up witnessing what's happening in Palestine and what did it mean

[6:41]to you I remember when I was uh growing up just watching

[6:45]TV with my father one time and on the TV there was

[6:47]these images of children holding stones and holding rocks and standing in

[6:57]front of the Israeli uh tank and there's this famous child actually

[7:01]uh Faris was a a 15-year-old kid in the beginning of his

[7:06]life and he's standing in front of the tank with a rock

[7:11]in his hand you know that famous image that we all saw

[7:14]Yes Yes it just popped in my head as you were speaking

[7:17]the the The Bravery Courage the perseverance the there's no way to

[7:24]describe it imagine you have nothing with you and you're just standing

[7:27]in front of the tank and you think that you can actually

[7:29]do something something and there's no fear whatsoever and I remember this

[7:32]image just stuck in my head because it showed so much power

[7:38]that no matter what we have no matter what we think no

[7:42]matter what the world thinks of us no matter what equipment we

[7:46]have it's all about the heart it's all about the it's all

[7:49]about this uh bravery that we have that we take from the

[7:56]prophet and who teach us this and what's very beautiful about this

[8:02]is that um this scene just kept it just stuck in my

[8:09]head and whenever I remember Palestine I just remember that young child

[8:13]standing in front of that tank and whenever I would go visit

[8:16]back home in Lebanon when we'd go in the Summers you'd hear

[8:21]the people in the village and this is a very common saying

[8:24]as they say that the I cannot resist against the chisel and

[8:32]uh it's very uh interesting that uh it can and we can

[8:38]resist and we can stand up that's so beautiful such a beautiful

[8:43]metaphor to show the struggle of the Palestinians that for now 106

[8:48]year war against the Palestinians Against All Odds they still stand and

[8:53]they still believe that Palestine will be free and that they'll be

[8:57]liberated from occupation that metaphor that you spoke about is the best

[9:00]way to put it to met to to juxtapose that with the

[9:04]scene that you saw as a child with a young boy in

[9:09]front of a tank that's that Jos is the story for the

[9:13]last 100 years and they're still standing there and they're still holding

[9:17]that rock against the tank but the child's being called a terrorist

[9:20]right now yeah of course what about youz see what's interesting about

[9:26]MZ though is that his father is pales so half of your

[9:32]family are from Palestine yeah so by default I am Palestinian and

[9:35]they're in the West Bank they're in the West Bank yeah they're

[9:38]in which is now called Hebron it's always been called um yeah

[9:44]and they they live there my aunties live there my my cousins

[9:49]I can never visit you can't visit no I can never visit

[9:51]uh I'll never be allowed to go to my uh to go

[9:55]to my grandfather's house to go to his land see where my

[9:57]father was born um I got relatives I'll never ever see again

[10:02]yeah um I'll never be able to go to my house my

[10:08]father's house we own property there yeah and as long as this

[10:10]occupation is there they'll never let me in there even if you

[10:14]wanted to you're not no even if I wanted to yeah they

[10:15]there there is no way that they're going to let me in

[10:19]when was your dad born my dad was born in 1955 okay

[10:22]so he was born before the second invasion Daka yeah so uh

[10:28]before the 1967 so he remembers the West when it was liberated

[10:31]and he was there for the actual occupation um so my earliest

[10:34]memory is the day I open my eyes to this world yeah

[10:37]what were what were the stories your father would tell you about

[10:40]your grandfather I'm sure your grandfather would tell your father's stories about

[10:44]how life was before oh yeah so um so many so and

[10:48]I hear this from from my my father's uncles from from his

[10:51]cousins and from from several of the elders in the family of

[10:57]of how life was like uh before 1948 yeah before 1948 we

[11:00]got to remember that there was uh there was a British occupation

[11:05]of of occupied Palestine um and it was a brutal occupation it

[11:08]was a it was a brutal colonization um it was very violent

[11:11]and a very interesting story and I remember hearing this from from

[11:19]my father's Uncle uh about the Jewish population that lived in Palestine

[11:23]before 1948 how they would sympathize and with one another under British

[11:36]rule yeah how he would have Jewish friends okay that who were

[11:40]Palestinian Jews who carried Palestinian passports okay who identified as Palestinians and

[11:46]they both suffered the same under British rule okay and one of

[11:51]the most interesting things he say he says to me once he

[11:54]says he says but then he says the their color started to

[11:57]change our Jewish neighbors that we had the friends and family that

[12:06]started flowing in don't look like them they don't look at the

[12:10]end of the day these are Arab Jews Palestinian Jews those that

[12:13]started congregating around them they didn't look like they were yeah they're

[12:17]from Europe Poland and Russia and Lithuania and America they didn't even

[12:23]speak the same language yeah the the the the Palestinian Jewish population

[12:30]spoke Arabic these guys when they came in they didn't even know

[12:34]Arabic okay that's interesting so you're you're differentiating between the indigenous between

[12:38]the indigen Jewish who until today until today the overwhelming majority of

[12:43]them refus to identify as Israel they refused to yeah is there

[12:48]is there many of them right now there is there is in

[12:50]the old city of Jerusalem there's a few in in in heon

[12:53]KH there's there's a few you see some people would say that

[12:56]they would equate Judaism with Israel like today I was I was

[13:02]watching a video on Instagram from the uh MMA correspondent Ariel halwani

[13:10]and he said that if you are speaking against Israel let's get

[13:13]it straight you're speaking against Judaism so to speak against Israel is

[13:18]anti-Semitic if you speak against Zionism that is Judaism okay okay interesting

[13:23]what do you think about look at the end of the day

[13:28]uh you and I we can't be anti-semitic yeah we are semites

[13:31]right I'm a Semite you're a Semite for the you know most

[13:35]people don't know that most people don't know yeah just related to

[13:39]Jews a semi is a descendant of of of Sam the son

[13:43]of Noah who's the father of Arabs and the Jewish people and

[13:47]Assyrians and we're semites yeah so I can't be anti-semitic okay I

[13:52]can't be anti myself um and I know of Jews I know

[13:59]of Jews that don't believe in Zionism and are as anti-zionist as

[14:05]any from a Jewish perspective they don't only just don't believe in

[14:10]it they fight it against it they oppose it and they stand

[14:15]against they oppose it because let's look at what Zionism is yeah

[14:20]the definition of Zionism is the belief that the Jewish people uh

[14:25]have the right to a Homeland in traditional Palestine or historical Palestine

[14:30]could have been Kenya could have been Australia or I'm from yeah

[14:33]they offered him they offered him Australia talked about yeah we'll come

[14:38]we'll come to that the different options where in the world today

[14:44]in the world that we live in today is there a nation

[14:46]which has been established specifically for a religious group a country which

[14:54]says that you know what this is a country just for Muslims

[14:59]just for Christians just for Buddhists just for Hindus just for atheists

[15:03]and if you're not an atheist and if you're not a Buddhist

[15:05]and if you're not a Christian and if you're not a Muslim

[15:08]yeah then uh what would you say about Islamic Republic of Iran

[15:10]i' say the Islamic Republic of Iran is different the Islamic Republic

[15:14]of Iran is a nation which has Christians and Jews a large

[15:19]Jewish population for those who don't know Jews actually Jewish people of

[15:24]Iran actually have uh seats in Parliament and they're a very protected

[15:28]minority so in in Palestine or but we equate being anti Iranian

[15:39]by being anti-muslim okay that's number one I think I think there's

[15:43]a way bigger like difference between let's say for example Israel and

[15:46]Iran so what he was saying is where did we ever see

[15:53]in history that a state was created or right for a certain

[15:56]group of people that have a certain belief Iran was a state

[15:59]that existed it just there was a revolution and it was led

[16:03]by the Muslims by the Iranians themselves Iranians themselves the Iranians themselves

[16:09]and the the Islam is is the main religion there but we

[16:12]we will never find Muslims or Christians or whatsoever people just go

[16:16]invade a country and say we have a right to live here

[16:21]because we're Muslims or because we're Christians right I think this is

[16:24]what he was trying to say so we can't really compare it

[16:27]to Iran right like because there's big difference Iran already existed okay

[16:33]so Zionism is the idea that to establish this Jewish State yeah

[16:38]gather gather gather people who identify with the Jewish religion from all

[16:43]over the world right to protect Place bring them to one geographical

[16:46]location expel the uh expel the the native inhabitants of that land

[16:51]and establish a home for them and this is the meaning of

[16:57]colonialism this is the meaning of colon is also the meaning of

[16:59]Zionism and the interesting thing is this is what they set out

[17:04]in their own documents right at the beginning at the end of

[17:09]the 18th century when Herzel came forward with is it Juden is

[17:13]that how you pronounce it you're the German so the German word

[17:18]is uden yuden yeah but you can say the Jewish State yeah

[17:20]but when he says it he says it like that like it's

[17:24]proper that's the way it should be said it's just the German

[17:26]language uden I don't want to say it again yeah I don't

[17:30]want to hear it so the Jewish the Jewish state is what

[17:33]is translated to what he outlines exactly what you just said as

[17:37]the project for Zionism whereas right now when you say this by

[17:43]the way this meaning right now this is the definition of it

[17:45]by their own documents it's it's more of a modern phenomena yeah

[17:50]Zionism it was it's more modern it's been 10 and something years

[17:52]it's not equated with Judaism but they would see what you just

[17:55]said now as anti-Semitic said right now is offensive but they just

[18:02]had a vote two years ago okay in the in the Zion

[18:08]State okay Benjamin Netanyahu pushed for this bill to draw the national

[18:11]identity of the state of Israel and this is what they identified

[18:15]as as a Jewish State a state for the Jewish people he

[18:21]wanted and he succeeded in drawing a religious national identity yeah it's

[18:25]not yeah it's it's not an issue of nationalism the thing is

[18:30]the problem that we have today is that uh with our Jewish

[18:33]brothers and sisters they see themselves as as an ethn religion right

[18:38]which is a bit unique okay I personally don't know of any

[18:43]other ethn religion and I kind of feel like it's a term

[18:47]they sort of concu it up okay to justify to justify this

[18:49]occupation what is an ethn religion what is religion religion is a

[18:54]belief system right it's it's it's it's it's a it's a doctrine

[18:56]that you genuinely believe it's it's it's it's part of it yeah

[19:03]and actions and it's actions and uh when you say ethn religion

[19:05]you're just sort of saying that when you're saying that just to

[19:08]explain to our viewers you mean that someone's born into it can

[19:12]only so I can't be I can't convert into it uh traditionally

[19:15]no yeah and even if you wanted to today there's you got

[19:19]to go through courts a rabinal court and it's a very long

[19:22]process so ideally traditionally you're born into it your mother needs to

[19:25]be and so because of anti-Semitism throughout history this Jewish State and

[19:30]the idea behind it is in order to protect and Safeguard the

[19:34]Jewish people from harm well yeah our face value look let's call

[19:39]it spade a spade just say it how it is yeah we

[19:43]had the pograms in Russia okay in the 18 1900s if we

[19:45]can go back to the 1700s too okay these pograms targeted the

[19:51]Jewish populations in Europe then we have the Holocaust unfortunate event of

[19:54]the Holocaust I don't want to get into the details of that

[19:57]okay basically the Jewish World stood up and said you know what

[20:00]theal hurle we like your initiative okay we paid the price the

[20:06]programs all over Europe and in Russia and then we ignored you

[20:08]and then we paid the price again the Jews in the diaspora

[20:12]were being killed in Europe all over Europe it's time for a

[20:15]Jewish homeland okay who paid the price we never heard of a

[20:19]pogri or a holocaust committed by a Palestinian or a Lebanese or

[20:23]a Syrian right never but we ended up paying the price for

[20:25]him my grandfather didn't take part in owitz yeah my father never

[20:32]carried no Jewish child to a concentration camp or fought in any

[20:36]Nazi army we had nothing to do with that but we paid

[20:39]the price you see a lot of Israelis would say to you

[20:44]how did you pay the price because that land it wasn't really

[20:46]populated we came to a land there were some Villages sure but

[20:49]we came with our economy and we populated this land and really

[20:55]we didn't hurt anyone so we came to this place and we'll

[20:57]share it so look we started off this uh this uh this

[21:03]talk by by saying where we're all from right okay U we

[21:08]say I'm from Australia from the UK Germany Canada uh this is

[21:14]a result of this occupation we forget it sometimes but the fact

[21:20]that I identify as Australian you identify as you're know your name

[21:25]isck yeah you're not from London okay ham definitely not from Toronto

[21:29]mamed yeah you're not from Germany definitely is not a native of

[21:34]City my parents were refugees because of what was happening when Israel

[21:39]was occupying we are all refugees I think all our parents yeah

[21:42]same thing everything we are paying the price today because of this

[21:45]so when you ask me how did you pay the price I'm

[21:49]still paying the price my children will pay the price their children

[21:52]my great great grandchildren will pay the price we didn't grow up

[21:56]in the land of our forefathers you're know now to go back

[21:58]to the I'm not even allowed to go back I can't even

[22:00]go back for a visit okay you come and say to me

[22:04]that we came to this land and it was empty well about

[22:07]if it was their birth right that's that's the land of the

[22:11]Jewish people for thousands of years says who God says Ah there

[22:16]we go that's an interesting conversation how about I live my life

[22:19]according to what my God just dropped the pen No honestly yeah

[22:21]let's do that let me now let me now I want to

[22:25]challenge you yeah let me now okay make you live by what

[22:29]my God said how about that yeah how about that interesting question

[22:32]yeah no how about I force on the entire world to live

[22:35]according to my Doctrine and my Creek of course no one would

[22:40]accept that's why not cuz what you believe is what you believe

[22:41]what I believe is what I believe yeah but how come they

[22:44]can force it on me how come they can force to the

[22:45]extent where they can wipe out entire Villages like dein establish a

[22:48]state kick out the the the traditional owners of that land put

[22:54]settlers in put their settlers and not just that refuse to come

[22:57]to any agreement okay and say that you know what those that

[23:01]we expelled from here those that left in 1948 those that are

[23:04]rotting in the refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan in Syria them

[23:07]and their offsprings they're never allowed to return no matter what settlement

[23:11]the world agrees see the reason why we wanted to have this

[23:13]conversation why this is so important is because this contextualizes what's happening

[23:18]today we are witnessing today history taking place before our eyes everything

[23:24]is connected to 100 years ago and before that and we speaking

[23:28]about right now context izes this because all the TV shows right

[23:32]now all the interviews begin 7th of October 2023 as if everything

[23:37]was speaking about right now didn't happen and as if all of

[23:39]this didn't exist there's no context to it the most someone who

[23:44]says I empathize with the Palestinian people the ptin people deserve rights

[23:47]the same thing that un has been saying and the League of

[23:50]Nations have been saying for how many decades and all that keeps

[23:55]happening is further oppression and further killing of the indigenous Palestinian people

[24:00]and further discrimination and further disparity of Rights whilst they separate the

[24:05]Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank and those outside of

[24:12]Palestine refugees not allowed to return home so this is why it's

[24:16]very important for our audiences who are the people that live mainly

[24:20]in Western communities in America Canada UK Australia and other places to

[24:25]understand the importance of educating yourself on this topic right now because

[24:30]everything is connected to the history of it so we have to

[24:35]know about this this is why I would like you to continue

[24:40]to speak about perhaps the beginning of of this idea that we

[24:44]called Zionism that they call Zionism as in we say 1948 was

[24:47]the time where Israel was established right but 1917 the Bel for

[24:52]declaration can you tell us about the B for declaration yeah so

[24:55]uh the the Belford declaration which technically states that you know the

[25:00]Jews have as M mentioned they have a promised Homeland that they

[25:08]should be uh placed at and they chose that land to be

[25:11]Palestine which now is called Israel and they had multiple options they

[25:17]had multiple options as you guys just mentioned on on that note

[25:22]by the way if those options had gone through and then they

[25:25]established a state in in Argentina or in Kenya we should have

[25:31]been just as outreached absolutely just on that point and right now

[25:34]you have to really ask yourself if Israel was in Kenya or

[25:37]in Argentina would we be as passionate as we are we really

[25:40]have to ask ourselves if this was happening elsewhere okay just on

[25:42]that note please continue we'll get back to that yeah we'll speak

[25:47]about that uh so the B for Declaration was very interesting about

[25:49]it to to the point you guys were just mentioning it doesn't

[25:52]even speak about the Palestinian people nor does it use the word

[25:56]Arab and there were people that lived there resided there for hundreds

[26:00]of years before and it's if no one was there they just

[26:02]came to a new land they took overas it's done they call

[26:07]it the the um non-jewish the existing non-jewish communities population non-jewish the

[26:15]ex existing non-jewish communities whilst 94% of the inhabitants of Palestine were

[26:19]Arabs and 6% were Jewish only only only the Jewish were given

[26:25]their rights there was a parish state that was established only the

[26:28]Jewish people were given National rights MH yeah and the Arabs were

[26:33]just so here's something interesting so this B for declaration yeah bord

[26:39]de declaration okay um it was drawn up by the British right

[26:46]yes say your people okay yeah now these British they have a

[26:49]habit of doing this okay so I'm going to point out two

[26:53]things here the British Empire was the strongest power of and at

[26:55]the time it was Palestine was colonized by the British at the

[26:59]time there was a British military presence in there okay Palestine was

[27:04]a British colony uh Lebanon where we and they did end off

[27:08]sending later on thousands of troops that's right yeah so the decision

[27:12]the decision to partition Palestine the decision to hand Palestine over to

[27:18]these Jewish immigrants no Palestinian was consulted no Palestinian was asked no

[27:24]Palestinian sat at that meeting no Palestinian signed off on it like

[27:31]you said it's as if he did not exist now this is

[27:33]a policy that the British Empire always had we were taught in

[27:38]in school in Australia that when Captain James Cook first arrived in

[27:42]Australia the letters he sent back to the British Empire and the

[27:46]crown at the time was that this land was teranas yeah it

[27:51]is uninhabited there is no one there although he was met with

[27:56]Fierce resistance from the local population but he did not regard them

[28:02]as human keep this term in mind that until the 1950s the

[28:09]local indigenous Australian population the Aboriginal people were classified under the Flora

[28:16]and FAA act meaning they were protected the same way Kangaroos and

[28:21]emus were protected they were a rare what date sorry up until

[28:28]the 1950s this it 70 years ago yeah like I think it

[28:31]was 1954 yeah yeah they were they were considered animals they were

[28:36]not considered human beings the Australian government by law by law there

[28:40]was a law called the white Australia policy how racist like can

[28:43]you get more racist that the white Australia policy people forget how

[28:46]recent this this is so recent this is government policy so so

[28:50]recent and there's so much to learn from these indigenous communities especially

[28:55]when we speak about um African-Americans and everything that they've had to

[28:58]do in the last century and everything they have had to go

[29:01]through to to gain their rights there's so much to learn it's

[29:05]the same the same thing or Native Indians in America yeah who

[29:08]we completely forget we completely forget the 8090 million that were eradicated

[29:13]eradicated eradicated this happen without them being eradicated we just live in

[29:17]a time of speed and information where we just forget what happened

[29:21]World why this genocide this time because what's happening right now let's

[29:27]not mistake this this is the further expansion of the colonial project

[29:31]that Zionism but it's happening in 2023 which doesn't usually happen in

[29:37]a postc colonial world doesn't happen after that so we're seeing something

[29:40]that's a bit of an anomaly right now and it's being televised

[29:43]it's being even if it's not it's not televised by mainstream media

[29:47]social media has allowed the world to see everything that's happening right

[29:50]now so this is so we're seeing a live stream of what

[29:52]happened over 70 years ago I actually today I saw a video

[29:57]of of two doctors I think it was one of them his

[30:01]name is KH the other one I forgot and the footage showed

[30:03]how they they got stried by a missile and by the after

[30:07]they got a strike by the first one the camera was still

[30:09]on and then the second one came and then the camera went

[30:13]off so this is what you can see now you see it

[30:15]like as if you were there it's always been happening exactly but

[30:18]now I believe that in this time and age we get so

[30:23]much information so much input the world is changing so fast we

[30:26]forget how the world looked like 20 30 years ago forwards of

[30:28]years of History think this is how it always was brother the

[30:33]responsibility upon us right now is so important you know why the

[30:36]fact that this is happening now whatever we are able to achieve

[30:39]right now in terms of rights and laws for our people and

[30:43]for the International Community this will dictate what's going to happen for

[30:47]the next few decades right because if we let this pass and

[30:52]we're not able to help these people to bring them towards liberation

[30:57]or with the laws right now in Germany and France and they're

[31:01]banning protests and they're banning the holding of a flag Flags we

[31:04]don't know where this is going this is unprecedented if we are

[31:09]not able to achieve something here our children will not forgive us

[31:13]that's right because it's going to set a precedent that even when

[31:15]they saw the genocide taking place in front of them what are

[31:19]they going to do about it you know what say my greatest

[31:23]motivation I was saying this before we got on here but my

[31:25]greatest motiv my biggest fear and I I'll never ever forget this

[31:31]I uh been attending these protests all my life okay all my

[31:34]life uh my dad would take me as a kid before I

[31:37]can even walk I was a cuz there was always these massacres

[31:39]these massacres were always happening the first in Father uh you guys

[31:43]were saying you're earliest me I'm a bit older than than you

[31:46]guys just so the audience go by a few years not not

[31:47]too much you made us seem like you're well I'm 37 years

[31:52]old yeah uh so I remember the first in Father very very

[31:55]clearly my earliest memory was not Muhammad My earliest memory was the

[32:04]breaking of bones policy which was initiated by prime minister Shamir okay

[32:10]where he gave orders to the occupation forces that any Palestinian child

[32:16]that throws stones on you break his bones with stones so my

[32:23]earliest memory is watching the news and watching three soldiers two grabbing

[32:27]a child yeah pulling his arms apart and the other one taking

[32:30]a big rock and breaking his bones this was State policy this

[32:35]was State policy so during these rallies in Sydney the very first

[32:42]people who would stand with us the very first people who would

[32:45]come and rally with us will be the Aboriginal Natives and they

[32:49]will come and they'll be carrying the Aboriginal Flags cuz they understand

[32:53]it they understand they experienced it and it used to scare the

[32:56]life out of me because if you know any anything about the

[32:58]aboriginals in Australia and their state right now yeah look I'm going

[33:04]to say something a bit vulgar but the white colonialist literally reproduced

[33:09]the black out of them this happened this was State policy okay

[33:14]they would forcefully forcefully intermarry Aboriginal women so that they could become

[33:21]lighter in color you would now see a blondhair blue-eyed person walking

[33:25]in the street and they would identify AB origin we say how

[33:30]on Earth and they just victims of this so if we don't

[33:33]kill you and we don't Exile you yeah we will genetically modify

[33:38]your womb so yeah this is what we will colonize your wombs

[33:41]an ethnical cleanse yeah they colonize they colonize the woms yeah but

[33:44]why is it because they have a problem with their looks they

[33:46]have a problem with everything about their culture their culture their religion

[33:50]what they represent Heritage their lineage indous pop this is colonialism let

[33:55]me just I want to read something from a quote from Bal

[34:01]for in 1919 though this was recorded in one of his private

[34:03]memos so it wasn't uh so this was after the Declaration y

[34:09]it wasn't public only made public in 1950s okay this he sent

[34:13]this to his colleagues and he says and this is him using

[34:15]these words he says Zionism be it right or wrong good or

[34:21]bad is rooted in agong Traditions in present needs in future hopes

[34:26]of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000

[34:32]Arabs who now inhibit inhabit that ancient land he's saying it clearcut

[34:38]that this is more important than those people who are living there

[34:41]right now he acknowledges there are 700,000 people there now he acknowledged

[34:46]the Arabs in the private memo he said Arabs 700,000 in in

[34:52]the bful Declaration he said non-jewish existing communities even though they're 94%

[34:58]of the population has made it seem like they were minority he

[35:03]continues to say in Palestine he says in Palestine that apparently doesn't

[35:08]exist in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the

[35:12]form of Consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country

[35:20]there you go yeah what do you have to say to that

[35:25]yeah he doesn't he didn't care about me or my father or

[35:29]my grandfather or my great-grandfather that's been plowing that land and and

[35:33]farming over there and living there for all of eternity he doesn't

[35:36]care all of eternity if they want to claim if want to

[35:40]have this claim see what strikes and this is very interesting because

[35:43]people usually try to run away from the whole and not make

[35:44]this a religious War right and we do that a lot as

[35:49]Muslims right we try to not make this thing about religion um

[35:54]and whether we like it or not the religion has a major

[35:59]role to play here it has a major role to play I

[36:01]I wouldn't say it's a religious war no it's not a religious

[36:02]War but it has yeah it does have of course there are

[36:07]those that fight this no no one can there are those that

[36:09]fight this war under religious banners we just we just said that

[36:18]the essence of Jewish claim to the land is biblical right it's

[36:21]biblical so now you come and tell me this isn't about religion

[36:24]Netanyahu just said we're going to make the prophecy of Isaiah come

[36:30]true make the prophecy of Isaiah come true very it's yeah very

[36:33]scary words coming from people who are looking for Elma Gaden yeah

[36:36]well how about when the when their generals get up there and

[36:42]then they start uh quoting uh Deuteronomy 19 and 20 okay what

[36:45]does that say well it's pretty Savage it's pretty Savage it's God

[36:49]telling the Jewish people that when you enter cities leave nothing alive

[36:55]not even their cattle not even their donkeys is there a context

[36:57]up because we don't want to do the same thing they go

[37:00]into the City and kill them we don't want to do that

[37:03]no we definitely don't want to do that but what I'm recommending

[37:05]is this is not a Biblical study yeah but what I want

[37:09]to recommend is is go out there and read it go out

[37:10]there and just have a read by the way by the way

[37:13]just for the audience she MZ reads the Bible every day when

[37:16]I went into his office I saw the Bible on the on

[37:18]the desk and I said yo what he goes I read every

[37:20]day read every for 15 years so so she MZ is the

[37:23]brother that knows about the different religions it's and and and it's

[37:26]it's amazing and I can respect it as literature and I can

[37:28]respect it as as religious literature uh what I can't respect is

[37:35]when I uh try to hide behind the banners of human like

[37:38]brother come out here and just be just be straight up yeah

[37:41]just come out and just say to me yeah listen I have

[37:45]a religious right to this land I am better than you because

[37:46]I am a yeah just say it just tell me I am

[37:50]better than you because you're a son of ishma and I'm a

[37:51]son of Isaac and your mother is the Bond woman Hager and

[37:55]my mother is the free woman Sarah just come and say it

[38:00]just say it and let and let the world decide deep down

[38:02]is like though but they're not going to go up Ence of

[38:07]it the leading Zionist thinker jabotinski said the following and again I

[38:11]want to read this quote because he just says it like it

[38:13]is because you said say it like it is he says it

[38:15]like it is the thing is he does he says it like

[38:18]it is he say it like it is and this guy's a

[38:21]legend for the Israelis okay so jabotinsky says Zionist colonization he uses

[38:24]the word colonization which right now you can't say anymore by the

[38:28]way now it's you can't say that if you say that it's

[38:30]anti-semitic he says Zionist colonization must either stop this is when they

[38:35]were before they were expanding before they were establishing and expanding so

[38:39]he said it must either stop or else it precedes regardless of

[38:43]the native population either we stop or we proceed which means if

[38:48]we're going to proceed which means that it can proceed and develop

[38:51]only under the protection of a power that is independent of the

[38:55]native population behind behind an iron wall which the native population cannot

[39:00]breach so to rule with a hard fist basically can you read

[39:06]that wall part again yeah Subhan Allah he says there you go

[39:10]he's basically saying that we we want to colonize this place but

[39:14]we can't do it alone it's we have to stop if we're

[39:16]alone this can't continue the only way this can be is it

[39:21]either stops or proceeds regardless of native population which means that it

[39:25]can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power first

[39:28]it was the UK then it became the US and the USSR

[39:32]and then mainly America for the last few decades only under the

[39:36]protection of a power that is independent of the native population behind

[39:40]an iron wall which the native population cannot breach just remind you

[39:46]of a quranic verse though right Subhan Allah it's like Allah is

[39:49]just looking at Zionism today and describing them in the Holy Quran

[40:00]was very very explicit he says they'll never fight you man to

[40:05]man they never going to fight you man to man one-on-one they'll

[40:07]never fight you they will fight you from behind fortified walls fortified

[40:13]cities fortresses the verse I I got it read in Arabic and

[40:18]English please they will not fight against you in a body save

[40:32]in fortified towns or from behind walls their fighting between them is

[40:38]severe you may think them as one body and the hearts are

[40:44]disunited and that is because they are people who have no sense

[40:47]subh this is how the Quran describes Subhan Allah see that that

[40:51]even the part of the fighting between them is severe up until

[40:56]October 7 yeah just before October 7 the Zionist entity was on

[41:00]the brink of a civil war yeah they were on the brink

[41:04]of a civil war there was fighting in the streets there was

[41:08]protests almost daily protesters were being leftwing protesters were being run over

[41:13]by right-wing protesters the religious right was arming okay it was getting

[41:16]violent yeah it was getting violent on the streets yeah it was

[41:21]get the the the actual entity was very very shaky okay and

[41:26]now and well I'm I'm I'm not a political expert or anything

[41:31]yeah but this this disagreement is now coming to surface in this

[41:39]latest Gaza conflict we can see it okay we can actually see

[41:45]how Allah describes in the Quran it's so accurate it's so accurate

[41:48]this disagreement why do you think that what are we day 18

[41:50]19 now of the past 20 past 20 are we of course

[41:54]count of the days days and nights are the same but until

[41:56]today their government is unable to take one one United stance on

[42:02]what to do or how to deal with this or who's even

[42:05]calling the shots Daniel yeah their disagreements are massive why because they're

[42:11]not the natural owners of the land they're a foreign entity it's

[42:16]a foreign entity that can't exist it's like cancer right the body

[42:20]rejects it the body rejects it it kind when you have a

[42:25]foreign name saying that when you say when say that if I

[42:28]was a a Jewish person who lived in Israel listening to that

[42:31]I'd be worried I would say why are you trying to kill

[42:35]all of us why are you trying to destroy our livelihoods destroy

[42:39]the place that we live don't we have a right to exist

[42:41]doesn't Israel have a right to exist doesn't Israel have a right

[42:44]to defend itself you know that's what you constantly going to hear

[42:46]you're saying there's a cancer something's trying to remove it I'm I'm

[42:50]worried here with with with that rhetoric I'm going to ask you

[42:53]don't I have a right to exist I'm a human being I'm

[42:55]an Israeli human good good that you mentioned that because I wanted

[42:58]to quote what Herzel actually said because he's he's who is Herzel

[43:01]first of all who is Herzel The Herzel is a German Jewish

[43:05]uh thinker I believe he he's the author he the auth he's

[43:10]the author of the book he's the author of the book The

[43:13]Jewish State UD like we mentioned he's the founder of Z but

[43:18]he says in his book in the fifth page he says I'm

[43:19]going to read it in German and then I'll translate it he

[43:22]says he says I'm afraid scaring me man afraid it's all right

[43:34]guys it's fine right usually if I if there was a crowd

[43:37]they'd be like mam Muhammad you know because they didn't understand nothing

[43:40]but all right so he's saying that this idea of a Jewish

[43:43]state is a very very old idea it's not a New Concept

[43:49]but at the same time he was writing this book people believe

[43:51]that he's he's insane what do you mean Jewish state where how

[43:57]how are the Jew Jewish people going to go there and meet

[43:59]mod so it's modern it is modern they say it it's traditional

[44:03]it is modern but you saying do don't they have the right

[44:06]to do that he's he's writing in his book he's speaking about

[44:10]their right of of a Jewish State because he he wants the

[44:12]Jewish people to be strong to be United to be together because

[44:17]uh apparently how it seems in in history the Jewish people were

[44:20]rejected by most societies and countries and people they were disliked throughout

[44:25]their uh their existence right so he's saying that this idea is

[44:29]a very old idea but he made it he tried to to

[44:34]be have a holistic proposal of the Jewish State and this is

[44:37]what he brought forward and then 50 years later they had their

[44:43]Jewish State and it was surreal and if we made it how

[44:44]did we do that how did we get there and how are

[44:47]people going to come there how are with with the UK the

[44:51]main powers of time over the last years exctly but it was

[44:53]so surreal it was so it an idea right now right now

[44:58]it's what we call Arabic it's it's the usle right now right

[45:01]now it's the base that's why we can begin talking about October

[45:06]7th without any context because how can you there's no way you

[45:10]can understand today's life the the the yeah without looking back at

[45:13]history there's no way you can understand why Germany is Germany now

[45:17]if you don't look back at history The World Isn't looking back

[45:19]though it doesn't make sense they they've repackaged the whole idea that's

[45:23]why they don't speak about colonialism anymore they don't admit to being

[45:27]colonialists anymore now it's about being safe after the Holocaust so the

[45:32]Holocaust was in World War II Herzel wrote the Jewish state in

[45:39]the 1800s before World War I right so they repackaged the whole

[45:42]idea and saying that they're not colonialists now but now that we're

[45:46]here now that we're here I'm a 20-year-old Kid born in tell

[45:50]aiv I love my country I don't hurt anyone I'm just trying

[45:56]to live my life but these Arabs keep throwing rockets at us

[46:00]why why do you keep throwing rockets at us don't we have

[46:05]a right to exist that goes back to what we were just

[46:07]saying you can't understand today's today so what do I say to

[46:12]this kid we tell them we tell him you cannot understand today

[46:15]without looking back at history there's no way it wouldn't make sense

[46:18]it doesn't make sense you if you want to give him the

[46:22]the context if if he wants to really understand you have to

[46:24]give him the whole context why you here why you're born here

[46:29]Etc but if you allow me I would I would like to

[46:33]throw another question into into the round right is like why is

[46:37]the world supporting the existence of such a state right whereas they

[46:41]were the ones especially Germany that were against Jews and they say

[46:45]it they say it till today they're like we feel that we

[46:50]need to protect these Jews the Jewish people we need to protect

[46:53]them right so but why is the world supporting the state of

[46:55]isra Israel why why do you think that main just the US

[47:01]is is the main support exactly we'll see we'll see that we'll

[47:05]see what has to say to that if we uh really take

[47:09]a look and understand this Bel for declaration we see that it's

[47:15]all about power they want power and Subhan Allah this is how

[47:19]the world works right now you know the power and they want

[47:24]control and you can't you can't you know you can't uh oppose

[47:29]even though if we want to go back to the history hundreds

[47:32]of years ago which there were uh Palestinians that resided there and

[47:36]they had a life and they had dreams and they had Ambitions

[47:40]and they wanted to be part of something special uh they were

[47:44]not given this opportunity and uh back to say's point when you

[47:48]say they have the right to defend themselves defend themselves for what

[47:51]when you want to defend yourself from something yeah defend yourself that

[47:54]means you own it it's yours but in the first place it's

[47:58]not even yours you took it over you put cell you put

[48:02]cellulars there so this is what we call in Logic the fallacy

[48:05]as in you're beginning from a premise that I'm under attack exactly

[48:09]but you are the ATT I am the attacker so I am

[48:13]in an offensive posture how can I be the one trying to

[48:17]defend myself and then the other question comes along and doesn't Palestine

[48:20]have a right to exist you know doesn't Palestine have a right

[48:23]to defend itself say you you you worded the question in in

[48:27]a very interesting manner you said I'm a 20-year-old now assuming you're

[48:29]a 20-y old I want to know what you will tell me

[48:33]as a 20-year-old Israeli born until aiv I love my country I

[48:36]don't hurt a fly what do I do right and you're asking

[48:39]me if you have the right to exist I think what this

[48:40]20-year-old doesn't understand is we're not talking about people you as a

[48:43]person you as a human being you have the right to exist

[48:46]of course as a human being you have the right to exist

[48:50]you have the right to exist anywhere in the world you have

[48:52]the right to exist and breathe and be successful and prosperous and

[48:55]we want you to have a happy life and we want you

[48:57]to succeed the Arab doesn't want to hurt you and the Arab

[49:01]doesn't want to hurt you so you as a person you have

[49:02]the right to exist your fake state does not have a right

[49:09]to exist you have the right to exist as a visitor you

[49:13]have the right to exist if you integrate you have the right

[49:16]to exist if you assimilate come to my house Arabs were very

[49:20]hospitable people we welcomed some of your grandparents yeah we welcomed them

[49:25]and they live side by side and we help them Farm we

[49:28]Farm their lands for them we help them and then they turn

[49:33]their guns on us that's not going to happen you have a

[49:35]conscience you want to live a peaceful life don't be part of

[49:41]the occupation anymore pack your stuff up and leave okay whatever just

[49:45]invented levite yeah yeah this this kid Levi here 20 years old

[49:48]from Tel Aviv which is yeah whatever asking that question asking me

[49:53]this question I say Levi yeah you want to live yeah you

[49:55]want to live in like Shalom yeah that's what you want yeah

[49:57]you want peace and you just want to do your thing so

[50:01]what I recommend is go back to where your grandparents came from

[50:05]I apologize that your parents made you a part of this colonization

[50:12]but the mere fact that you exist on this land means there

[50:14]is a family living in the ghettos and in the ruins of

[50:19]the slums of the refugee camps of Lebanon and of Syria and

[50:22]of Jordan all over the world because you you exist here I

[50:29]would tell him if you give me an answer I won't reply

[50:31]to him I would tell him if you give me an answer

[50:35]how your state was invented created how it came to life then

[50:38]I'll give you my answer so if he does his research and

[50:43]he really sincerely looks it up and sees how how this came

[50:46]to life he will know his answer I don't have to give

[50:49]him my answer it's it's normal if we tell anyone and you

[50:52]saw these videos memes whatever it is somebody's coming to your house

[50:55]stealing your house stealing your land you will resist you will tell

[51:02]him this is mine and it's normal and now the world blames

[51:04]Palestine for by lie you're allowed to resist and stand up and

[51:07]oppose exactly but the thing is if we look at why the

[51:12]world why USA you mentioned that USA is supporting Israel it's the

[51:15]main supporter for Israel but if we look at it from their

[51:20]perspective to them it's an investment it's they want the wealth they

[51:24]want the money and this is what B the if we did

[51:27]if there wasn't an Israel we' have to invade in Israel because

[51:29]it splits up the it's the best3 billion investment right to them

[51:33]it's money it's wealth this is why they're supporting it they're not

[51:36]supporting it for because of they care about the Jewish people no

[51:43]and geopolitical power like was saying you separate Egypt from the other

[51:48]side it is both right but to them the main part is

[51:51]wealth money power right so this is why there's supporting it but

[51:57]we have to be trying to work towards Liberation for the Palestinian

[52:01]people right and this Liberation for the Palestinian people I I personally

[52:08]believe it can't come at the cost of that kid telling him

[52:11]he can't exist I never said he can't exist he can exist

[52:15]he can exist here right but the same way that I was

[52:19]born in London UK and someone comes and tells me go back

[52:21]I'm like I was born here I'm I mean I didn't choose

[52:25]to do this like I was Bor here my Customs my culture

[52:29]what I'm saying is there's a difference now I'm I'm I'm figuring

[52:32]that this kid isn't someone that's dehumanized in Arab he's just an

[52:35]innocent kid that is seeing this situation wants to find some sort

[52:40]of Peace because the idea here the main idea that I'm I'm

[52:45]trying to to put forward is the Palestinians can have Liberation without

[52:51]harm having to come to innocent Jewish people in that land and

[52:57]that Christians Jews and Muslims can coexist that they have to find

[53:05]a way in which they can coexist as people with equal rights

[53:08]under a sovereign Palestinian State under a sovereign Palestinian State that's that's

[53:13]that that that's what I'm talking about underline that Palestinian that's what

[53:15]I'm talking about I have no problem you know why because when

[53:18]when people say things like wipe Israel at the face of the

[53:20]Earth they think of a nuclear bomb they think of people getting

[53:23]barbarically killed they think of that's why I just want to be

[53:27]very careful with our words here you know what I mean we're

[53:29]not saying you can't exist here or that we're going to kick

[53:32]you out because then they're going to say you're doing the same

[53:34]thing to us that we did to you or any of that

[53:37]this power can't exist yeah this is why I said when we're

[53:42]not talking about people yeah we are talking about the occupation we're

[53:46]talking about this state we are talking about this this Force which

[53:50]the world today knows as Israel he Levi and everyone who supports

[53:54]it and everyone who supports Levi Levi is more than happy I'm

[54:00]more than happy to have Levi still walk the streets of Tel

[54:03]Aviv imagine now but under under under the condition that he doesn't

[54:06]refer to as T Aviv anymore yeah that's South imagine now a

[54:13]20-year-old Levi from T aiv messages you and he really exists he's

[54:15]like why are you guys speaking I'm pretty sure he's out there

[54:17]somewhere but s you said something very interesting you said like I

[54:21]am from Britain why would somebody tell me to leave if you

[54:23]find out that your ancestors your grandfathers they came brutally killed the

[54:30]British people and uh took their land from them would you still

[54:33]have the same view where you say now you did the compon

[54:37]course not but at the same time I wouldn't feel responsible for

[54:39]what my forefathers did I would try my best to correct the

[54:42]narrative you stand up and say all right this is your country

[54:45]like I'm sorry for what my grandfathers did but I want to

[54:47]live here peacefully right we want to get no one has a

[54:50]problem yeah this no one has a problem what I'm saying we

[54:51]want to get to they don't they don't know that do you

[54:54]know do you know they don't know that I know they don't

[54:57]know that that's what I want to make clear okay now the

[54:59]people watching this aren't really going to be Jewish people they're going

[55:01]to be mainly people that we talk to in our communities the

[55:05]reason why I think it's important to have this conversation and for

[55:07]them to listen to it is because they need to be ready

[55:10]to have this conversation with people around them in the different cities

[55:14]in the west and when they come to meet this isra person

[55:15]you're going to mix around with people at work or at school

[55:19]I remember a lot of different Israeli people that I would have

[55:22]at school or work they're going to come from this perspective as

[55:24]far as they know they aren't bad people they're not mercenaries they're

[55:28]not they just want to know why do you want to kill

[55:32]all of us so yes we have to educate them you said

[55:33]let them know about the history but we also have to pose

[55:37]a solution for them that doesn't make them think that they're going

[55:40]to be wiped out that language is really important in the way

[55:43]in which we're speaking right now when they talk about us being

[55:47]terrorists when they speak about us condemning when they speak about anything

[55:50]they want to say that we can't even say Colonial anymore um

[55:52]or we can't even time everything is antic every time you say

[55:57]that every time you say that we can't even say Colonial anymore

[55:59]I just I can't just get out of my head a a

[56:04]Muslim speaker that actually shut me down for that told me you

[56:08]can't say the word colonialist anymore yeah you shouldn't you can't keep

[56:12]talking about you shouldn't be saying there's no such thing as colonialism

[56:14]anymore we're way past that and what was the reason for that

[56:17]yeah yeah that's that's for another that's for another yeah but say

[56:20]sorry so look this is important because even here we're not all

[56:25]going to have the same exact opinions for what Liberation means and

[56:29]this is again this is important part of the conversation absolutely right

[56:32]so yeah please father you're going to say something so um I'm

[56:34]going to I I never like to you guys know me I

[56:40]don't like to paint myself in in any nationalist color yeah I

[56:44]strongly don't believe in nationalism at all but for the sake of

[56:47]for argument sake I'm going to strongly identify as Palestinian right now

[56:50]okay thought you were Lebanese me yeah all my mother's Lebanese my

[56:53]dad's Palestinian you know I come from a yemeni tribe like it's

[56:58]just you're more than me I'm the axis I'm the entire axis

[57:01]here all I needed to do was marry an Iranian and that

[57:05]was it yeah that was um yeah you hope your wife is

[57:09]not watching I hope she isn't please continue okay so as a

[57:17]Palestinian first of all I'm going to genuinely say from my myself

[57:23]maybe I'm talking because because I'm uh because I'm identifying there like

[57:26]from a from a personal from a personal uh perspective I need

[57:31]before before I even want to have this discussion with any Zionist

[57:35]yeah before any discussion with him because in my mind in my

[57:41]mind it's just common sense you know your history yeah you know

[57:44]your history I don't care how old you are I don't care

[57:49]if you're 90 or 19 or 15 just look around you you

[57:50]know you don't belong read the room yeah look at your neighbors

[57:58]how on Earth did a Hebrew speaking Jewish Nation emerge in the

[58:02]midst of an Arabic speaking Muslim world how why you know you

[58:07]celebrate your Independence Day every single year you know you were born

[58:10]yesterday in 1948 you get a day off you get a day

[58:15]off school you get a day off work for it you celebrate

[58:19]it your grandfather tells you what happened in the 1948 War and

[58:23]the 1967 war and the K War you study this stuff you

[58:28]speak two languages at home you speak Hebrew in the street and

[58:31]Lithuanian at home you speak Hebrew in the street and polish at

[58:37]home you speak Hebrew in the street and English at home why

[58:39]it's common sense I don't need to be sitting here convincing you

[58:45]that you're the son of an occupier that your presence is colonialism

[58:49]that's not the conversation I want to be having my people can't

[58:54]have that conversation my people are being killed they're being buried under

[58:58]Rubble they're being burned by your phosphorous bombs and all of that

[59:01]killing and all of that murder and all of that Slaughter is

[59:04]so Levi can play Playstation in ha get out of here I'm

[59:10]so I'm not willing to have this conversation with him if he's

[59:13]too if he's too intellectually challenged to understand if he's too simple

[59:22]to see the repercussions of him remaining there he's not someone I

[59:28]want to have a conversation it's not worth of the discussion honestly

[59:30]I will say this but and they know this because we've given

[59:33]concessions unfortunately we've had failed leaderships yeah our times our leaderships have

[59:39]failed Us in very difficult times yeah but even this failed leadership

[59:44]which gave your people so much concessions and you took those concessions

[59:48]for granted you don't even want to just accept them you want

[59:53]more than that well that's what's happening right now that's what's happen

[59:55]this is what's happening in Gaza this isah dream come true so

[60:01]I refuse that dialogue I do but yes I want him to

[60:05]know that as a human being you have the right to exist

[60:07]and I welcome you to my Palestine I welcome you to my

[60:11]Palestine you live as a Palestinian as a Palestinian Jew as your

[60:17]brethren did for a thousand or so years we had we always

[60:24]had Palestinian Jews difference for anyone that wants to ask is like

[60:27]oh okay well what happened there just a change of power and

[60:30]now you're doing the same thing we just want to make sure

[60:33]that doesn't mean subjugation of a second class citizen where they don't

[60:38]have equal rights no no Bob dwes separating people no occupation brutal

[60:42]occupation no man can just come and take your car and take

[60:46]your house if he wants to because he has rights that you

[60:48]don't the same courts used for the same people not people used

[60:54]taken to court in different courts that saying what we're saying is

[60:59]a state where Muslims Christians Jews live as AR as Palestinians as

[61:04]Palestinians with equal rights without subjugation to any other people say there

[61:10]are there are there are foot paths or sidewalks as you guys

[61:13]say where I'm from in in heon where if you are not

[61:21]a Jew you can't walk on that sidewalk they there will make

[61:26]you walk across the street that you can't you can't use this

[61:29]R this but now now we're living in 2023 right it is

[61:36]possible to live this multi multic culture thing because especially libnan I

[61:40]don't think there's any country in the world like lebnan when it

[61:43]comes to things being uh complicated in terms of of uh government

[61:47]and how it's all split up right perhaps one of the most

[61:52]Multicultural countries in in West Asia yeah and all over the world

[61:54]now in Canada in Germany and in the UK you find people

[62:00]living together be like even if they're atheists Jews Muslims Christians they

[62:04]can worship whatever they want whatever belief they have they live peacefully

[62:07]and no one does anything to them right so it's possible in

[62:10]Palestine but why and this goes back to the question that mataz

[62:17]was asking why would we invent a state just for a certain

[62:19]group of people because they have a certain belief right it doesn't

[62:25]make sense because now they can now they can live and now

[62:28]they are living in the west peacefully it's cultural I think that's

[62:31]what is is going on it's a multicultural world right you walk

[62:36]the streets alone red and green so it's possible it can happen

[62:39]you mean it Canen and it is happening not only it's possible

[62:43]it is happening now Professor Norman Piolin the other day he was

[62:47]on a podcast and he said he had spent 40 Years of

[62:50]his life researching this this conflict and he PhD in this conflict

[62:55]conflict I did that on purpose and he had given his whole

[63:01]life to it and he said that in 2020 he reached a

[63:07]point where and it hurt him to do this and it he

[63:08]felt like he was morally betraying the Palestinians he said that he

[63:13]gave up that there was no solution that there was just no

[63:17]way that these people would be liberated from their brutal occupation and

[63:22]that ultimately things just kept getting worse the the um meeting in

[63:27]Madrid in 1991 That was supposed to give Palestinians their rights and

[63:31]occupied lands under international law the illegal settlers that are staying there

[63:36]right now were only 200,000 at the time and now they are

[63:40]over 600,000 even with the meeting and the UN resolutions and everything

[63:45]else that even with international law and pressure from the outside uh

[63:49]forces things just kept getting worse they weren't moving towards Liberation for

[63:54]the the Palestinians saying all of that how do you guys feel

[64:00]when you say that one day you're going to go and you're

[64:03]going to pray in Jerusalem you're going to visit Al and you

[64:10]believe this with your whole heart how can you say this when

[64:13]people like Norman ficklin are saying that three years ago they gave

[64:18]by the way he's back on he's back on but he just

[64:19]admitted that at that time he had that weak moment what do

[64:25]you have look the difference is just between us and the doctor

[64:31]that you mentioned or Professor see Professor is that I don't think

[64:36]that we will ever reach a point where we say I give

[64:38]up right I just want to highlight that because we have a

[64:44]belief and our belief is that Allah is with the oppressed and

[64:48]Allah has a divine plan that will succeed no matter what it

[64:55]will come to life life so we will never ever lose hope

[64:58]in Salvation and in Justice and in Justice um and this is

[65:06]what what uh makes us different from from from the professor y

[65:10]but when it comes to um Muhammad your question uh about about

[65:21]Palestinians and Liberation what was it exactly just remind me liberation Liberation

[65:26]right we we believe that Palestine what do we say free free

[65:29]Palestine from The River To The Sea Palestine will be free by

[65:34]the way that's you can't even say that anymore that's antisemitic keep

[65:38]which by the way I think we explained what it means it's

[65:41]not to wipe the people from The River To The Sea soon

[65:45]our existence is going to be anti-semitic apparently it is right our

[65:49]very existence if if if our existence if if to be uh

[65:56]anti Israel anti- Zionist means you are anti-semitic then our very existence

[66:02]is anti-Semitic yeah you and I that's the four of us the

[66:03]only reason we exist the only reason we are having this conversation

[66:08]here in the southern suburbs of for liberated and free be is

[66:13]because we are anti-zionist that's why we have to take back language

[66:17]the narrative in terms of language language is power so we can't

[66:20]allow anti anti-Semitism to start to mean anti-colonialism or anti- Zionism we

[66:26]have to Define things as they are but not to digress too

[66:30]much because we want to speak about like this should be the

[66:32]final point and it might take a little a little extra conversation

[66:38]Liberation because as soon as you start to speak about that you

[66:43]know what the first question is going to be right yeah do

[66:45]you condemn yeah yeah that's going to be the first question when

[66:52]it comes to the resistance forces and this is something that throughout

[66:58]Palestinian history when things go very quiet and everyone seems to think

[67:04]that it's all over people come out to resist Palestinians come out

[67:09]to resist they don't accept it and noral Thinkin said it himself

[67:13]he said he would not condemn Hamas for what happened on October

[67:19]7th nor would he advocate for it but he wouldn't condemn it

[67:22]he says because he said I don't know what I would do

[67:26]if I was in a situation where the whole world left me

[67:28]and everything that I have keeps getting taken away from me and

[67:33]all my loved ones keep getting killed I don't know what I

[67:36]would do he said that I'm pushed against the wall my back's

[67:38]against the wall I have no more hope even when the law

[67:43]is on my side international law is on my side nothing happens

[67:46]no one cares no one cares about me and the world just

[67:50]wants to move on no one cares so he said out of

[67:53]desperation whatever action they do I will not condemn it he said

[67:59]now saying that we're not here to speak about promoting any resistance

[68:02]group want to get that very clear this is an uncomfortable conversation

[68:06]to have Edward S always said that if he had to choose

[68:14]between that subjugation or having to resist if talking wouldn't work having

[68:20]to resist with violence even though he would be comfortable with that

[68:26]but he would always choose that over the former saying that when

[68:30]you speak about the Palestinian Liberation the conversation around resisting occupation through

[68:35]violence will come up when it comes to this situation right now

[68:42]that's what that's what Israel is going to focus on Israel is

[68:46]going to focus on the idea that we need to defend ourselves

[68:48]now a problem that's occurred in the West in all different conversations

[68:54]going on right now is that resistance is laid under the bus

[68:59]straight away that will speak about Liberation we'll speak about everything to

[69:03]do with Palestine and the victimhood of Palestine and everyone that's being

[69:06]killed in Palestine but we won't speak about those who want to

[69:14]defend themselves I wanted to open up this discussion to how we

[69:19]would engage in such a conversation considering the circumstances and I think

[69:24]this is this is a conversation that that needs to be had

[69:30]not with the colonialists yeah cuz he's he's he's on the other

[69:33]side of the spectrum yeah he's he's who we're talking about here

[69:37]but just for the world to understand me okay CU I think

[69:43]all our lives and just the in uh in Brackets here I

[69:47]think we need to stop talking about the Palestinian issue as solely

[69:52]a Palestinian issue yeah the entire world has suffered the entire world

[69:56]has suffered at the hands of this Zionist regime this Zionist State

[70:00]okay here in Lebanon we still suffer from it right we suffer

[70:07]an invasion our Capital was invaded massacres just down the road here

[70:11]we have the OCC we have the uh refugee camps of Sabra

[70:14]and shatila yeah where over 3,000 Palestinians were massacred under the watchful

[70:19]eye of the Israeli military with their support by their militias okay

[70:24]um what happened in Kan you guys from the south of Lebanon

[70:31]which was occupied uh so even 2006 we were here in6 14

[70:34]15 year olds under bombs is the most traumatic experience of all

[70:39]of our Lives I think exactly yeah there isn't there isn't a

[70:43]Lebanese person alive today alive today that is over let's say probably

[70:47]16 16 177 that has not experienced Zionist aggression okay that hasn't

[70:53]hurt their J J even if you're my son my son's only

[70:56]3 years old my son's only 3 years old he's been awoken

[71:00]by zist Jets you know the other day my son woke up

[71:01]in the middle of the night and he's told me what is

[71:03]this sound yeah what is the buzzing sound yeah I couldn't believe

[71:05]that he actually heard it it's it's unbelievable okay that's how loud

[71:08]it was more than that more than that the world the world

[71:12]needs to realize your average Canadian your average Australian your average American

[71:15]okay your average Irish Greek Italian whatever they need to and especially

[71:21]our governments I'm I'm I'm going to talk to the Australian people

[71:23]to the American people to the British people to the Canadian and

[71:26]German people take a look around you and look at the socio

[71:29]economic situation in the world today look at the poverty around you

[71:35]when you walk in the street yeah and you see someone sitting

[71:37]on that gutter your fellow Australian or Brit or Canadian or German

[71:41]and he can't make ends meat keep in mind that your government

[71:45]puts aside billions of dollars a year from your taxpaying money to

[71:49]fund this to fund this occupation they deprive you they deprive you

[71:54]you and they fund this look at the situation of the medical

[71:59]system today in the United States how many people can afford a

[72:01]proper Health Care in the United States people die at the hospital

[72:04]doors there people don't get admitted because they simply don't have enough

[72:08]money your government can help you how much does the US give

[72:14]how much have they put aside annually for this state called Israel

[72:19]there is an annual budget of $3 billion this is the minimum

[72:23]this is apart from the Aid they get yeah and it's the

[72:25]best investment yeah it's a this is an annual budget what would

[72:30]$3 billion do to the United States healthare to your average American

[72:34]what would it do for him what would it do for the

[72:39]unemployed what would it do for welfare what would it do for

[72:40]mental health what would it do for the homeless you suffer you

[72:46]people suffer the whole world suffers the whole world even right now

[72:49]right now things are escalating to a point where we the closest

[72:51]we've ever been to World War III and if something happens between

[72:57]Lebanon and Israel something will happen between America and Iran and then

[73:01]Russia will want to be involved and we're at the edge right

[73:03]now it's unprecedented we're in unprecedented time we're so close and we're

[73:07]just sitting here and we are at the edge because of this

[73:12]because of Zionism because they dragged us into this again again and

[73:18]you know design State doesn't even care for their allies right I

[73:22]recommend our listeners so go out there and just do a quick

[73:27]Google search on the USS Liberty okay you guys familiar with the

[73:31]USS Liberty USS Liberty it's a us uh Naval frigate which was

[73:34]sunk by Zionist aircraft okay they literally fired upon it after being

[73:39]warned that we're friendly but they'll do things like this they don't

[73:45]care they have complete disregard for un resolutions absolute disregard I I

[73:50]personally all my life have never ever had had faith in the

[73:55]UN who here does honestly who who here does I think the

[73:57]story of qu is the biggest example they were protected by the

[74:02]UN apparently they bombed a un base they bombed a un base

[74:04]and killed hundreds of civilians in that un can't get more clear

[74:08]and no one did anything so when you why I'm saying all

[74:10]of this we talking about all of these massacres and all of

[74:14]these crimes and all of this Injustice and you come and someone

[74:16]asks me about the concept of resistance okay and there's a lot

[74:22]of talk about peaceful resistance right then we need to be resisting

[74:24]via our literature we need to be resisting on the streets we

[74:28]need to be resisting via media all this yeah this is extremely

[74:32]important can I just say something before he going to hit a

[74:38]point just just wait we've been doing this for 75 years I'm

[74:43]sick of resisting through fala and my national dishes or the Palestinian

[74:48]D yeah or silly songs you know like what's that you know

[74:54]I'm the it's never liberated my land no one ever got out

[74:58]of a refugee camp through a painting or a song or a

[75:03]poem no one ever regained his stolen home through un resolutions the

[75:07]un's never given me anything back what it's given me is food

[75:10]stamps in the camps here under the condition that what that I

[75:15]remain in the camp that I not go back home so my

[75:18]question is what do you want me to do because all I

[75:22]hear is when people talk about a peaceful resolution all I hear

[75:26]is remain occupied peace even the idea of the two-state solution they

[75:30]just keep saying it keep saying it keep saying it just to

[75:34]numb you but they keep growing Zionism it's impossible yep yep it's

[75:37]impossible everything that's been put forth for the two State solution yeah

[75:41]more than 80% of that land now has rightwing not any regular

[75:48]Zionist settlers right-wing religious fanatic settlers that live on that land now

[75:55]so that's Nelson who was once deemed a terrorist led the movement

[76:01]in aarid South Africa to liberate South Africa and take back the

[76:05]rights of the people in South Africa and now he's a hero

[76:11]and is a statue of him outside the parliament in the UK

[76:14]I think that says it all and I think that ultimately people

[76:22]know that man there's no way to keep talking about this without

[76:26]getting arrested afterwards but you know what I'll tell you what and

[76:29]you know what I I I I just want to say one

[76:31]sentence speaking speaking about oppression and how like they're op like the

[76:37]whole world is suffering because of that I've never seen what if

[76:42]I say that I've never seen somebody claiming to be oppressed practicing

[76:48]such oppression like Israel right they're claiming to be the oppressed their

[76:55]whole lives like their whole history is just being oppressed being hunted

[77:00]being killed being being being but no one else on on on

[77:05]Earth right now is practicing more oppression than them it's like the

[77:08]rapist that gets punched in their face and then he starts crying

[77:10]about it exactly that's pretty much what happened that's exactly what's happening

[77:15]though my question is I want to reverse this question what are

[77:20]my Alternatives what do you want from me do you want me

[77:22]to die quietly is that what you want yes that's what they

[77:25]want yeah is that what the world want I need to die

[77:26]quietly I need to remain occupied quietly I need to you know

[77:31]deal with these checkpoints quietly deal with the torture deal with the

[77:35]racism deal with the massacres the apathy the Gen all of it

[77:38]just do it quietly if you have a problem raise your hand

[77:43]raise your hand and let the UN know this this whole idea

[77:45]or this whole uh concept of peaceful resistance is not applicable no

[77:51]matter what we come and say and uh if you look at

[77:53]the words what Edward S said and this was years ago that

[77:57]the Palestinians have been denied permission to narrate Their Own Story just

[78:05]to speak just to show their ideas their culture their Heritage their

[78:11]thoughts and this is very clear in what's happening right now on

[78:17]social media any post you have it can be labeled under anti-Semitism

[78:20]uh you can uh it goes against the guidelines of whatever social

[78:24]media Outlet or platform you're using you can't even speak out you're

[78:27]controlled so this whole idea of uh peaceful resistance it's not even

[78:31]possible because if you want to say we tackled this through speech

[78:35]and dialogue let's tackle it with speech and dialogue but in the

[78:38]end of the day where has that gotten us sment yeah it's

[78:41]control it's control and power they have control over all of this

[78:45]these platforms so obviously they have the power and they control the

[78:48]narrative no matter how much we try to show our story well

[78:54]we're seeing happening in Gazza today is unprecedented in digital age we're

[78:58]seeing babies being killed daily and that's not propaganda that's happening right

[79:03]in front of us what does Israel want they're saying they want

[79:07]the hostages back even though they keep bombing I don't know how

[79:11]many hostages have been killed up until now they've killed 50 if

[79:14]I was an Israeli citizen I'd be very upset I want my

[79:16]family back and you're bombing them but he has said that his

[79:25]main aim is to destroy Hamas that no one's allowed to remain

[79:29]even there was an Israeli man that that was um dming my

[79:31]social media account and we were talking and he was telling me

[79:35]Hamas is going to be eradicated and I said what do you

[79:36]mean by that that means to every last man because this is

[79:40]the same mistake they made and we mentioned in 2006 we were

[79:43]here in 2006 this is the same thing that they said and

[79:47]I wanted to to read this I want to end this this

[79:50]podcast with reading these Pages for you this book I recommend everyone

[79:53]to to buy this book The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy

[79:55]when you say why are they supporting them this book will tell

[80:02]you why and the final chapter is called the uh second Lebanon

[80:05]war that's the war in 2006 and so here they talk about

[80:09]the strategy of Israel the reason why I want to read this

[80:12]is because it's the same thing happening now literally history repeating itself

[80:18]where Israel keeps setting a certain goal that is unachievable unrealistic unrealistic

[80:25]and then they end up massing everyone with the support of the

[80:29]US right behind them so here he says so here the author

[80:34]the author is called John mimer and Steven Walt and here the

[80:40]authors right Israel's main goal in the second Lebanon war was to

[80:43]deal a massive blow to hezbollah's Effectiveness as a fighting force it's

[80:47]the same thing that they saying about today because they want to

[80:52]defend themselves in particular the Israelis were determined to eliminate the thousands

[80:54]of missiles and Rockets that could strike Northern Israel prime minister Olma

[80:58]drove the point home when he said the threat will not be

[81:04]what it was never will never will they be able to threaten

[81:07]this people they fired mad again similarly the Israeli Ambassador in Washington

[81:12]said we will not go part way and be held hostage again

[81:18]we'll have to go for the kill heah neutralization and prime minister

[81:21]Benjamin Netanyahu proclaimed that Israel's was straightforward remove the missiles or destroy

[81:25]them here he goes on to say they had a more direct

[81:30]approach for dealing with the problem specifically they planned a classic punishment

[81:36]campaign whereby the IDF would inflict massive pain on lebanon's civil civilian

[81:40]population by destroying residences and infrastructure and forcing hundreds of thousands of

[81:47]people to flee their homes such a campaign would inevitably kill a

[81:51]significant number of civilians in the the process it's all deliberate same

[81:54]thing is happening right now Alma made the point very clearly at

[81:59]press conference right after the kidnapping because the war started after hisbah

[82:01]kidnapped a few Israeli soldiers very similar to what happened um in

[82:07]2023 when capturing arresting when he promised a very painful and far-reaching

[82:12]response the aim of the punishment campaign was to send a message

[82:15]to lebanon's leadership that it was ultimately responsible for's actions and therefore

[82:18]the country as a whole would pay a great price anytime attacked

[82:23]Israel their prime minister was clear on this point as well the

[82:27]Lebanese government he says to quote the Prime Minister the Lebanese government

[82:30]of which hasah is a member is trying to undermine Regional stability

[82:35]Lebanon is responsible and Lebanon will be the consequences of its actions

[82:40]these are the same words that they say right now is responsible

[82:44]they're the ones killing their babies Hamas killed the babies human Shields

[82:50]human Shields it's your fault animals you shouldn't vote for them animals

[82:54]cut off their power cut off electricity cut off water but the

[82:58]realistic goal is not there it's unachievable they're not going to do

[83:03]that and now they're in a place where they can't turn back

[83:09]because that's too embarrassing and they can't keep going because the whole

[83:13]world's watching and it's not going to keep watching so we're at

[83:15]Crossroads and World War II is right around the corner and we're

[83:19]our Crossroads unprecedented and his history repeating itself education is very important

[83:25]i b a few books with me that I want our viewers

[83:27]to purchase and to read if you want to know more and

[83:31]to to have the tools in order to defend Palestine and defend

[83:34]the oppressed so this is the first one and here are the

[83:38]others we'll put the titles in the comments as well yeah we

[83:42]put in the comments we have um this one a 4,000 year

[83:49]history of Palestine by nor masala this one the 100 Years War

[83:58]on Palestine by Rashid khi this one's very important this is the

[84:02]the best book that I read on Palestine this one the ethnic

[84:08]cleansing of Palestine and this this is a best-selling book written by

[84:16]an Israeli author called my promised land this is a good book

[84:19]to read for someone who wants to understand the situation in the

[84:25]mind of an Israeli who tries to be apologetic and tries to

[84:27]correct the problem and give concede some of the points to the

[84:33]Palestinians but also so you can understand who it is that you're

[84:35]talking to this is more of a a left leftist type of

[84:40]literature this is something that I would download please please download it

[84:44]don't buy it don't buy that download it definitely don't buy it's

[84:47]a very it's a very bestelling book it doesn't need us to

[84:49]buy it doesn't need us to uh saying all of that that

[84:53]I wanted to to finish off on that note would would any

[84:56]of you like to uh pose anything before we end the podcast

[84:58]uh look just just a couple of just one very quick quick

[85:03]point we're going to continue and this is I'm talking now to

[85:08]to my brothers and sisters who are listening to us out there

[85:12]in the west um if you give up today if you stop

[85:20]if you ignore if you get tired then take a look at

[85:28]the indigenous population of the country you live in brothers and sisters

[85:32]in Sydney today in Melbourne anywhere in Australia take a look at

[85:37]the Aboriginal population of Australia Today take a look at the unemployment

[85:42]they have at the disastrous uh health status that they're at at

[85:49]the drug and alcohol abuse at the incarceration rates at their suicide

[85:52]incarceration rates take a good look at them if you give up

[85:59]on Palestine if you ignore the massacr if you stop fighting for

[86:03]this cause this is what's going to happen to your people this

[86:07]is their future inop we'll never leave palah thank you so much

[86:16]brothers thank you for time and thank you for watching

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