Muslim Identity in the Modern World | Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi

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Recorded at the 33rd Annual Muslim Group Conference 2016 | "Renovating the House of Islam" | Lombard, IL

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[0:36]in announcer Dominic mark long it was indeed a pleasure to be

[0:43]here in this conference from what i remember i think the last

[0:48]time i attended was about 12 of 10 or tells 12 years

[0:55]ago later on over schedules didn't work out but in al hamdulillah

[0:59]tonight i'm able to be here although on the way from Canada

[1:07]to hear there was currently a problem you know they called me

[1:11]in for questioning for two hours which is it they haven't done

[1:16]for many many years I thought my name was clear but anyway

[1:21]but al hamdulillah i'm here at the end from what I understood

[1:24]from the communication that i had with the brothers from the conference

[1:29]this is going to be a workshop session and so i'm not

[1:37]really prepared for a straight lecture as such and so what I

[1:42]would like to do is like to start with asking questions so

[1:49]that you can start the process and then I'll come later on

[1:52]when we talk about this issue of you know Muslim identity in

[1:58]the Muslim on the more in the modern world you know let

[2:02]us see what are the very common basis by which the people

[2:10]relate to themselves and form an identity so if we can get

[2:15]you know maybe some young people on both sides to raise their

[2:19]hands and we get some answers and then we go through it

[2:28]the question was you know how do you identify yourself there are

[2:35]some very basic foundations on which people identify themselves and if we

[2:41]get an can get a list of that then we can proceed

[2:46]and see what is the Islamic perspective on that issue yes sister

[2:56]the culture okay that comes very later on but only way that's

[3:01]one of the yes hijab would not be an identity it would

[3:16]not be a manifestation of her identity but not an identity by

[3:28]itself you would not identify yourself as you know a person who

[3:36]wears hijab yes Oh gender ok let's put it down yes you

[3:55]you believe in practice of faith is one basis ok you behavior

[4:02]towards this long so you're a Muslim so your identity is Islam

[4:12]not behavior ok and so we go back we go back to

[4:15]the issue of fate anything else yes where you are formed ok

[4:33]that's the beginning when you are born how do you relate yourself

[4:40]to whom your family your first identity the first standard or level

[4:47]of identity starts with family you're born in a family and this

[4:54]is how you relate yourself this is the you know very basic

[4:58]you know foundation of identity of human beings but then when you

[5:03]grow up gradually you come to realize that ok I have a

[5:10]family maybe even relatives who are part of the extended family but

[5:17]then the tribal identity comes in so the family would be the

[5:23]very beginning and then the tribal you know identity comes in you

[5:29]are crazy you are from house or husband eyes I don't want

[5:37]to use more than names here in case somebody is sitting in

[5:40]those 0 it talks about our tribe no okay so it is

[5:46]very natural you you would relate to the group which has the

[5:53]same tribal background the language for example would be the common between

[6:01]the tribe or the people of you know that kabila and then

[6:05]we move further you know sometimes we identify and identify ourselves through

[6:12]the region's i am from this part of the world or from

[6:18]that part of the world i am from you know New York

[6:24]I'm from California so willage or the town or the state becomes

[6:30]one another level of layered layer of identity then we come to

[6:35]these modern concepts of the modern states you know people relate themselves

[6:40]to a nation especially after we have the system of passports so

[6:48]you are American you're canadian you are British your French your karate

[6:54]or your Syrian of your Iranian or running or Pakistani and so

[6:59]these are all different you know ways people look at themselves and

[7:03]when we look at all these these are all national you know

[7:10]way of looking at ourselves and identifying ourselves on those levels what

[7:18]is the Islamic perspective about it Islam doesn't necessarily say that these

[7:26]I identities are to be totally suppressed and shun no because that

[7:30]is a reality but then the true identity is something else and

[7:36]this is what I would like to go to this started from

[7:39]surah Hajj alot sooner number 49 is number 13 but a lost

[7:46]panel Adonis's eia one ass in the jalapeno cumin baccarin wanza that

[7:51]we have created you from a male and a female on two

[7:54]different levels the top seed would be that either the first to

[7:58]Adam and Eve that's all human being the children of Adam and

[8:01]Eve and on a different level it also means that we you

[8:06]know came to this dunya through or father his mother this is

[8:09]what I was saying the family identity is there it cannot be

[8:15]ignored Islam doesn't ignore that that you are part of that you

[8:19]know so-and-so family that is an important identity but then you move

[8:25]further all you're not only part of a family you're part of

[8:31]a ethnic group or a political cadena which has a language and

[8:36]the culture which are shared commonly by the families which are related

[8:41]to that I tribe and this is what most Panama's other dances

[8:48]which are now come ashore open water in it and then we

[8:50]divided you with after creating you from adam and eve of whom

[8:57]you our parents we divided you into different nations and within the

[9:02]nation's you have different adelia different tribes and so this is also

[9:07]in a way doing of a loss hannah tada we do not

[9:13]you know negate the layers of identity on the level of family

[9:17]on the level of Adilah on the level of having you know

[9:25]a group which has a common heritage but what is the important

[9:29]thing and this is an analysis which are now come show open

[9:37]Wakaba either we divided in into nations and tribes for what little

[9:44]alafu so that it becomes easy to identify one another and this

[9:51]is very we are saying that those levels of you know or

[9:56]basis of identity whether it is the family or the kabila and

[9:59]the tribe or the ethnic group that you belong to where you

[10:05]have common language and culture or the country that you belong to

[10:08]these are all fine we are not saying is that you totally

[10:14]you know ignore that but the point is that you know if

[10:17]LOM considers all this to be physical level of identity where you

[10:24]relate you yourself to the parents to the family to the stability

[10:30]to the ethnic group because of the common culture and language these

[10:36]are all fine but you know they are not really the basis

[10:40]of the identity that we are looking for when I say that

[10:47]Islam did not come to eliminate all these different levels of identity

[10:52]let me say that when the prophet Micah migrated from Mecca to

[10:58]Medina he found two tribes major tries their house and hostage you

[11:04]know he didn't just say okay from today all of you are

[11:10]just Muslims forget about this identity of being old and hazardous so

[11:14]that was still maintained but there was a higher you know level

[11:22]of identity being imposed there which became more common for example when

[11:28]we look at the city of kufa this is not an ancient

[11:33]city in a way it was actually built during the early days

[11:36]of the seller fat era and it's interesting that the neighborhoods of

[11:41]Kufa was defined and established based on the different Kabila's which come

[11:49]from different parts of you know Fars or Yemen or other areas

[11:56]and settle down there that was more or less a garrison city

[11:59]that is where the Muslim army would station in order to continue

[12:03]their conquest towards farce not only that if you look at the

[12:09]army of emil manin ali bin ABI poly but it's a lot

[12:16]of Saddam in 15 they're also some of the troops within the

[12:22]larger army of a middle momineen were divided on tribal lines and

[12:31]the leaders of the Cabal was made you know in charge of

[12:35]those troops within the army of a middle nominee and so it's

[12:41]not that Islam came to totally eliminate all these identities it's only

[12:47]it's important to understand why a loss Hannah what Allah created us

[12:53]you know between sure when I by nations and tribes these are

[12:58]not really the there is no real value in it it's more

[13:05]an administrative each issue if I make it you know if I

[13:08]can make this very simple is you know if you go to

[13:11]the library especially University Library where they all bounded books you know

[13:20]you don't have the titles on the spine but you have a

[13:23]level there with the numbers and alphabets you know so you have

[13:28]to go and find out this is the book you're looking for

[13:31]this is the number or the reference of it and this is

[13:36]I will be able to go to the floor or the area

[13:41]and the shelf in the library and find that book but that

[13:45]the the level given to the book on the spine is very

[13:52]important to find that book to identify that book but it doesn't

[13:56]really tell you what is inside it or what is the worth

[14:02]of that book and all these layers of identity that Hannah Madonna

[14:06]has given to us belonging to a family belonging to Khadijah belonging

[14:11]to an athlete group where we have common language and culture these

[14:16]are all fine but these are all later our food so that

[14:20]we can easily know one another it is no value more than

[14:27]that label on the spine of the book the real worth of

[14:29]the book is what is inside it and that is where most

[14:33]panel at all and that iodine it comes to this point where

[14:36]he says in our Karama comiendo law at Arkham the most honorable

[14:42]person and this is where we come to the spiritual identity and

[14:46]identity which which has an everlasting value it's not our family you

[14:53]know affiliation it's not the tribal affiliation it's not the cultural ethnic

[14:58]affiliation it's not the national you no affiliation it is actually our

[15:06]faith in Iman that is our true identity which will be carried

[15:10]by us not only in this dunya but also in the asura

[15:17]and this is where we see the difference between the other layers

[15:21]of identity and this identity known as you know the faith-based identity

[15:28]which is the true identity and the valuable identity for us another

[15:35]difference between all other layers of identity and faith-based identity is the

[15:42]issue of java we didn't choose which family will be our family

[15:48]which part of the world will be born which kabila will be

[15:53]below we will you know belong to so this is a loss

[15:59]Hannah matala image he met this choice we didn't have a choice

[16:02]there but when it comes to faith this is something where we

[16:06]have to build that identity of ourselves by you know accepting the

[16:11]faith and practicing that and reaching to the level of loss Hannah

[16:20]what Allah gives you the kalama the honor and the respect not

[16:23]because of your color or your language or your family ties or

[16:27]tribal you know identity and this is this is something we have

[16:36]to keep all of them all the time in our minds but

[16:38]let me you know go back to the issue of modern situation

[16:46]that we have in us if I'm ask you another question here

[16:50]when we look at the Shia community and especially dealing with sheer

[16:54]community in North America how do these community identify themselves do they

[17:06]only identify themselves on the basis of the Dean and the mob

[17:13]of the faith or there are some other layers of identity that

[17:17]they have as a sheer community in North America ah so we're

[17:26]talking about the tribal or the cultural or ethnic ethnic affiliation we

[17:34]see different you know sheer centers and Milwaukee's in Canada and us

[17:42]some of them are run and best buy the people from Indian

[17:48]Pakistani background you have maracas of the honey brothers and sisters you

[17:57]have centers which belong to the Lebanese Shia community there are some

[18:02]centers which belong to the Iranian Shia community you have a roughly

[18:08]brothers also have their own centers all those the names do not

[18:14]always identify those centers on tribal you know lines but unreality you

[18:20]know that that is what's going on and what I would like

[18:27]to say is that I'm not saying that is wrong when you

[18:30]talk about the process of Hydra and migration this happens your people

[18:36]who come from let's save aniston because of the situation there of

[18:40]the Taliban people that will come from Iran and very large number

[18:43]during the days of Saddam and between the two wars during his

[18:50]time and they don't know the language of this land so for

[18:53]them to maintain that their faith they have to do things in

[18:59]their own you know language and so when we have these multiple

[19:03]ethnic-based she centers I'm not saying this identity is wrong that is

[19:11]that is actually something which happens when you have new immigrants coming

[19:15]to a new part of the world the only thing is that

[19:21]you can have your irani Center you can have your ribbon in

[19:23]center you can have your arafa center you can have your Pakistani

[19:29]center you know you can have your irani center but your minds

[19:33]and hearts should be open to accept anyone who is of the

[19:39]same Dean and mother from coming in and participating this is the

[19:46]main challenge that other levels of identity has to be you know

[19:50]on a lower level the men sense of identity has to be

[19:57]on the basis of our faith our Dean and Bubba as long

[20:01]as we are spiritually and mentally open for that you know that

[20:06]diversity of the sheer community will be there until the time will

[20:10]come when you will see probably not not our children but our

[20:14]grandchildren great-grandchildren they might be from any ethnic background but then they

[20:23]will be more what you call American than Lebanese more American than

[20:29]Pakistanis more American than era p they will be speaking the common

[20:34]language and that's where you will see kind of a merging of

[20:41]a sheer community in North America with a common language and common

[20:46]culture this is going to happen in the future we can facilitate

[20:50]that make it easy but remember we cannot force it and it

[20:57]cannot be done you know overnight and so this is very it

[21:00]to realize that there are different layers of identity you know we

[21:07]cannot suppress other layers you know totally but at the end we

[21:12]always have to see our Dean and motherhood is the main basis

[21:18]of our identity because that is what defines us and that is

[21:23]what we will be the basis of success of the community in

[21:25]this part of the world

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