A Muslim Infertility Story (Part 2)

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Inferility is on the rise. More and more couples are experiencing difficulty with conception. 1 in 6 couples experience infertility in Canada, 1 in 8 experience Inferility in the UK and women ages 15 - 44 have difficulty getting pregnant in the US. How do Muslims cope with Inferility? What is Islam’s position on the issue? This documentary explores how Muslims deal and cope with the struggle of infertility.

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[0:00][Music] Ilia reached out to a Muslim fertility support group based in

[0:24]Toronto Fatima Sheikh is one of the founders of this support group

[0:28]having struggled with infertility and experienced nine miscarriages herself Fatima understands the

[0:36]sadness felt by women in similar situations she and Sarah Hussein the

[0:43]co-founder of Amal fertility noticed a need for a support group of

[0:47]this nature they are on a mission to provide support encouragement and

[0:52]hope we chose the name Amal fertility because Amma in Arabic means

[0:58]hope and infertility has a negative connotation we wanted it to be

[1:06]a more holistic view of fertility and so we called ours we

[1:10]decided to call ourselves a mal fertility support group and the other

[1:14]reason for that is a woman is always is often defined by

[1:22]her ability to conceive and give birth so much of her life

[1:26]changes because she is judged by her ability to conceive and give

[1:30]birth I think a lot of people forget that our mothers the

[1:36]wives of the prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam many of them did not

[1:40]have children but we don't know them for their inability to conceive

[1:44]we know them as the wives of the Prophet we know them

[1:50]as our mothers and so there is a huge disconnect in religion

[1:53]and and also in culture where we judge women by their ability

[2:03]to conceive and so because this topic infertility is so stigmatizing that

[2:12]we felt that it was necessary it was not an option we

[2:15]had to start something where people can feel that they have a

[2:21]space to go to if they need it one of our members

[2:26]went to a fertility clinic and she met a woman who despite

[2:31]her being a stranger told her her whole life story because she

[2:37]really needed someone to connect with she needed someone to talk to

[2:41]she needed to feel that someone will understand her and where she's

[2:46]coming from and her husband had left her for 10 months because

[2:52]she couldn't conceive a child and she's sitting there sobbing at an

[2:56]infertility clinic so these are the women we want to serve these

[2:58]are the women that we want to be there for these are

[3:04]the women that we want to be a shoulder to cry on

[3:10]so in light of these the stigma and and the lack of

[3:13]support from Muslim women we decided it was important for Amal fertility

[3:16]to be born we have three different types of support sessions we

[3:20]have one where we have an intimate safe space sort of setting

[3:28]where Sarah and I will share our stories about infertility many times

[3:34]women can see themselves reflected in us mine and Sarah stories are

[3:38]all those different Sarah went through IVF and so some women many

[3:45]women can connect with her on that because they are also going

[3:48]through IVF IVF cycles and the hormones and the appointments and the

[3:57]intrusions that that come with IVF and so it creates a space

[4:02]where women can unload you know they're free to cry they are

[4:10]free to express themselves they are free to just be in their

[4:16]experience and the other type of support we offer is we'll have

[4:20]guests we've had a naturopathic doctor we have had an acupuncturist we

[4:31]have had a coping therapist and speak to these women so the

[4:38]point of those kinds of sessions is to show women what kind

[4:40]of services are available to them because many many people don't know

[4:44]even if they do know what kind of services are out there

[4:48]they don't know where to start they don't know who to go

[4:52]to and so we bring in these people so that they can

[4:54]have one-on-one not one-on-one rather an intimate group setting where they can

[5:01]feel free to ask questions and and see whether or not this

[5:07]service may apply to them or it may help them right so

[5:11]that's the second kind of session that we have and the third

[5:15]kind is will have activities as I mentioned the yoga we had

[5:19]fertility yoga and we did another just us just women experiencing infertility

[5:26]group it had nothing to do with infertility because sometimes it's not

[5:29]what we want to think about right but having each other there

[5:35]acknowledges thought anyway so we had an e brew painting at my

[5:38]house and we all gathered on my dining table and we had

[5:42]an instructor come in and she showed us how to paint with

[5:45]this turkish method of fainting and it was great it was everybody

[5:49]left feeling happy and uplifted support groups are a great way to

[5:54]feel supported through the process of infertility some also may wish to

[6:01]seek guidance and support of therapists as well Homa Heder is a

[6:07]rapid transformational therapist based in Toronto she experienced a difficulty in conceiving

[6:12]and holding her first pregnancy she hopes to use her practice to

[6:21]equip couples struggling with infertility with the tools to cope and manage

[6:25]the stress homas traumatic experience miscarrying her first child created a scar

[6:35]in her mind she was referred to a rapid transformational therapist who

[6:40]helped her cope with the loss of her child and resolve her

[6:43]fears this prompted her to get certified in the practice and help

[6:47]other people overcome their fears just so hypnosis is not like I

[6:55]said about sleep is just relaxing the conscious mind relaxing your body

[6:58]relaxing your mind so that we've spent the first 10 minutes we

[7:00]acted to spend the first 20 minutes talking about the issue and

[7:04]then we get into the session so when we once we get

[7:05]into the session the first 10 minutes of the actual session is

[7:07]relaxation so usually what happens is that the client actually goes back

[7:14]so they go back in this time as to when they picked

[7:15]up this belief about themselves this negative belief or negative thought about

[7:20]why they cannot have a baby ok so once we we do

[7:23]that 3 or 4 times so we go back to a scene

[7:24]that's happened a vivid crucial scene that is all to do with

[7:28]this issue and this could be any issue it doesn't have to

[7:30]just be infertility but any issue that they're facing right now and

[7:35]say ok and some some clients don't go back to anything ok

[7:37]they don't they don't have scenes they don't have images and we

[7:39]work with that as well there's a different way of doing things

[7:43]but most of the clients do go back so the subconscious mind

[7:45]is like I said very very powerful it's got it's like a

[7:47]treasure box and once we open that treasure box we say ok

[7:51]this is what happens and everything that has to do the most

[7:53]important scenes are going to come up that is all to do

[7:58]with their issue so a client will come up and say ok

[7:59]and when I was when I was 5 or when I was

[8:03]4 my mother I saw my mother go through a horrible pregnancy

[8:08]for example and seeing that I picked a belief that I don't

[8:10]want to get pregnant ever again now that is a child who's

[8:13]4 or 5 was picked up that belief will go to another

[8:15]2 3 scenes okay what else did you notice about pregnancy and

[8:19]stuff like so now consciously she wants a baby of course right

[8:22]but at a subconscious mind her belief is I don't want to

[8:27]go through that so the subconscious mind the the job of the

[8:29]subconscious mind is to protect us to keep us happy to keep

[8:33]us safe so it is doing its job it's 90% of us

[8:34]it's doing its job by saying you know what if you have

[8:37]that you might just go through what your mum did so you

[8:40]know what it's better to keep back and keep safe and be

[8:42]protected this way but your conscious mind is here ten percent saying

[8:46]no but I want to have the baby but your subconscious mind

[8:48]like yeah but you want to really go through what your mum

[8:50]went through no not really so keep yourself safe so there's this

[8:53]constant battle of conscious and subconscious mind so this is where my

[8:55]work comes in and I said talk to the subconscious mind and

[8:59]say you know what buddy let's that was her mother's experience it's

[9:01]not necessary that she's going to go to the same experience either

[9:04]we do some techniques and some tools to let go of that

[9:09]belief and we install new beliefs so like I mentioned earlier think

[9:10]it looks like a virus we found the virus when I'm gonna

[9:12]reprogram we recode your mind and you know let the healing happen

[9:19]naturally what I realized in my practice is that 99% of the

[9:21]people who come for whatever issues whether it's weight loss whether it's

[9:25]money whether it's infertility or whatever it is that they're going through

[9:27]the bottom line is I am not good enough I don't feel

[9:32]good enough hence I don't deserve the money I don't feel good

[9:34]enough I don't deserve a baby so it's all to do with

[9:39]that and once we establish that and I give them that power

[9:41]and I empower the clients that you know you are good enough

[9:46]you can have a baby you whatever you had whatever you believed

[9:49]is something you picked up because of other people it's not your

[9:52]belief and we change those beliefs exchange those thoughts and like I

[9:57]said I give them the audio to listen to which helps reaffirm

[9:59]that and because the mind of the repetition and 21 days to

[10:05]change a habit it starts to sink in and they start to

[10:07]feel yes I am good enough I can do this and this

[10:10]helps them in every area of their life whether like I said

[10:11]work with family with friends with anything they can then you know

[10:17]they're like you know what I deserve it I am good enough

[10:19]and that's the thought that I leave everybody with you are good

[10:22]enough what happens when a couple have been trying for a baby

[10:29]for several years but are still unsuccessful how many rounds of treatment

[10:35]should a couple go through until they decide that they need to

[10:39]perhaps look at other alternatives to having a family meet Samina and

[10:44]Joe her a Canadian Muslim couple who are now proud parents of

[10:48]three adopted children so um initially when Jonah and I got married

[10:55]adoption was never something that we thought about or that we had

[10:58]planned we did try and conceive for a couple of years and

[11:03]after that when that was unsuccessful we decided to start our family

[11:06]through adoption Joe and I we both come from large families I

[11:11]have three siblings and so does he so we knew one way

[11:13]or another we wanted to have children so I'm for us we

[11:16]got some information about adoption from his sister and that really just

[11:20]started the whole process for us we looked into it and we

[11:22]figured it was something that was doable for us and something that

[11:25]we were interested in pursuing so as Nina mentioned adoption came to

[11:29]us through my sister and I was a bit hesitant at first

[11:33]but as we learned more and more about it than you know

[11:34]I opened up to the idea and Hum the love was a

[11:37]great it was a great idea for us to pursue well Justin

[11:41]first of all not knowing about adoption in Islam we did a

[11:43]lot of research as to you know whether it's permissible and exactly

[11:47]you know how its structured in Islam and I think there's a

[11:49]lot of misconceptions about adoption and the whole Kafala process but after

[11:54]learning more about it and the significant need for children that are

[11:58]without parents in the Muslim community around the globe there's a big

[12:01]gap right now so I think all things put together it was

[12:06]like the perfect solution for us to start our family and the

[12:08]other thing is also that Islam actually puts a lot of importance

[12:14]on looking after orphans and that's something that a lot of people

[12:18]don't realize so by taking by adopting and taking care of orphans

[12:21]were actually following a student of the Prophet so it's actually something

[12:25]very booked highly upon in our religion Samina and Johar started the

[12:30]adoption process which involved a series of tests and evaluations from the

[12:37]agency they were asked screening questions to ensure that they were adopting

[12:42]for the right reasons there are many misconceptions in the Muslim community

[12:46]about adoption Samina and Joe her did their research yeah so from

[12:55]an Islamic perspective adoption is better known as Kafala so it's actually

[13:01]guardianship it's a guardianship of the child so there are some restrictions

[13:04]in terms of you know you can't give them your last name

[13:06]for example and the child must know once they're at the age

[13:12]of understanding that they've been adopted so you can't give the impression

[13:14]that they are your own biological child and also to the public

[13:17]to the Muslim community they should also know that the child has

[13:22]been adopted there are some inheritance factors as well so these are

[13:27]all like the practical implications of adoption or guardianship or Kafala in

[13:31]Islam but ultimately you know we're comfortable with everything at the end

[13:35]of the day we're all the children know Allah loveth Allah and

[13:38]we've just been blessed to be able to take care of the

[13:43]three that we have now and hopefully make them into good people

[13:46]in the world and good Muslims Samina and Joe her adopted their

[13:50]first son Yasin from Morocco it was love at first sight when

[13:57]we were going to adopt Yasin when we were taking the trip

[13:59]we actually didn't have a match at that time so we weren't

[14:04]going with the idea of bringing home a particular baby and then

[14:07]we met him shortly after we arrived and he's from Fez yeah

[14:13]I met him in Fez and in the orphanage yeah and it

[14:18]was a very emotional time for us we looked at him we

[14:20]held him for the first time and I remember like he was

[14:24]just smiling at us and instantly we just felt that void in

[14:26]our heart was filled and just that split-second I'm holding him and

[14:31]looking in his eyes we just felt like complete as a family

[14:35]a hamdullah hmm I mean also then you have to realize that

[14:37]you know in for most people then you go through the biological

[14:42]process they kind of have nine months to acclimate to the fact

[14:44]that think of any parent and months whereas for us it was

[14:49]like stuck in yet instant instant parents to parent your basically instant

[14:52]parents it was a bit overwhelming at first and a lot of

[14:55]emotions like you know nervousness anxiousness and you know and because we

[15:00]were on our own we didn't have any family support so for

[15:03]the first child it was a little bit challenging because things like

[15:06]you know changing diapers and how often to feed him those things

[15:10]I was still learning and we were still like experimenting away in

[15:13]a foreign country as long so that's a bit challenging but well

[15:16]I'm glad everything worked out well I think sometimes you just have

[15:18]to be thrown into the situation and then you find ways to

[15:22]you know lean on each other and you have getting guidance from

[15:25]above obviously and then everything works out the other thing is is

[15:28]that yes like you do give that child a home but that

[15:33]child actually brings so much more to us into our life it's

[15:35]not something where you think that oh yes I'm doing this for

[15:39]the child because they didn't have a home and they didn't have

[15:41]the family we actually were missing something even more and by having

[15:45]these children in our lives they brought so much love and joy

[15:47]and contentment and they've just really completed our family in a way

[15:51]that we never even imagined possible yeah so life now with with

[15:57]our three kids it's amazing it's busy this is full of joy

[16:00]full of noise lots of activity kids are involved the typical things

[16:05]so like they're swimming there's all kinds of activities or school lots

[16:09]of friends lots of weekend birthdays and they're very close with their

[16:13]cousins and their grandparents and they love seeing their family and friends

[16:18]all the time sometimes homework is a challenge but you know everything's

[16:23]fine we're having a you know a wonderful time just growing together

[16:26]learning from each other and and just being open right at all

[16:31]times to you know make sure that they know that you know

[16:33]with their background and what their heritage is and what their culture

[16:35]is you know we're you know she's Indian and Pakistani and they're

[16:39]Moroccan right so I think it's important to preserve that culture that

[16:45]they come from so we always try to maintain their culture and

[16:48]things that we do on a regular basis I always explained to

[16:52]the children I'm like we're actually luckier than anyone else because allah

[16:55]subhana wa ta'ala chose us to be together he decided that we

[16:57]were meant to be and from halfway across the world he brought

[17:00]us together in such a beautiful way that we never had even

[17:04]imagined one of the ways when we want to cope is to

[17:11]adopt children I know some organizations these are even known Islamic organizations

[17:14]they went for example in Africa in certain countries and they they

[17:22]have adopted children some of them are Muslim children and they have

[17:26]raised them according to their religion which is not Islam if non-muslims

[17:30]can do that to our children what about you and me we

[17:37]need to think about adopting because not only we will raise a

[17:41]human being properly but we will save the faith as well be

[17:44]willing to talk about the issue of infertility and adoption or options

[17:48]around starting families outside of a normal biological method and not just

[17:55]being willing willing to talk about it but arranging events or workshops

[18:02]or seminars where you can facilitate those discussions and that's happening more

[18:05]and more right in different institutions and organizations muslins they're having you

[18:10]know workshops and seminars where people like Samina will go and they'll

[18:14]give a talk and so we are seeing that more and more

[18:18]definitely who am I think way more than you know 10 years

[18:22]ago when we started the process and in terms of like resistance

[18:25]from community I think that most important thing is knowledge you have

[18:29]to educate yourself don't say things like Islam does not permit adoption

[18:34]when you don't actually know do your proper research and there's actually

[18:38]very good seminars available online so I'm they I always encourage families

[18:43]to watch those together whether they're thinking about adoption or not and

[18:46]there was one lecture that I listened to a couple of years

[18:51]ago and that scholar said that adoption is actually the sunnah of

[18:55]allah subhana wa ta'ala cuz if you think about it he sheltered

[18:57]the Prophet and took care of the Prophet so when you look

[19:01]at it that way how could adoption not be allowed in Islam

[19:02]so I think education is key and once people actually take the

[19:07]time to research this subject with an open mind they will realize

[19:10]that this is not to be causing resistance on this is something

[19:13]that we should be encouraging other people to do many couples are

[19:17]often skeptical to turn to fertility treatments in order to try for

[19:24]a family because they may feel like it is an unnatural way

[19:26]to have a child stay at Mohamed rizvi a religious scholar in

[19:31]Toronto speaks to the permissibility of fertility treatments when we talk about

[19:38]this issue of infertility IVF is one of the options which is

[19:47]suggested by the medical professionals but before that what I would like

[19:53]to say is that there's something which I had written in mid

[19:58]80s on this issue there is something known as AI H which

[20:04]means artificial insemination by Aspen this is where the the problem is

[20:10]with the husband you know the count of sperms are less or

[20:13]the speed of moving is less so they basically manipulate that in

[20:21]the lab to improve it make it better and then they insert

[20:25]that inseminate the woman the wife and it is known as artificial

[20:32]insemination by husband so because it is between husband and wife there

[20:39]wouldn't be a problem there is something else known as AI D

[20:44]artificial insemination by a donor so now the husband is not there

[20:47]this poem is actually from an outsider and to take a sperm

[20:54]of a stranger and in inseminate in the womb of a woman

[21:01]this is not allowed but then we come to this third you

[21:04]know process that you talked about which is in vitro fertilization where

[21:09]they take the sperm from the husband and the ovum or the

[21:16]egg from the woman and fertilize it in a dish in the

[21:20]lab and once it is fertilized and developed in the earlier stages

[21:24]then it is implanted in the womb of the woman this is

[21:31]different from insemination and since this is being done on the and

[21:36]the lab on a dish where the sperm and the egg is

[21:42]being fertilized so if it's done between husband and wife there is

[21:46]no question of any you know hermit it is allowed actually if

[21:50]it's even done with the sperm of the husband and egg from

[21:56]some another woman and it's fertilized outside and then implanted into the

[22:02]womb of the mother of the of the wife that would be

[22:05]okay actually even if it is you know a donor sperm not

[22:14]in say inseminated in the womb of the wife they're rather fertilized

[22:19]with her egg outside in the lab and then that fertilized egg

[22:25]is then inserted that would be okay so I would like that

[22:32]you know delicate difference between the first one and the maybe the

[22:36]second process and the third process to be clear now when we

[22:41]talk about this issue of surrogate mother when it and this is

[22:46]where we are talking about that the egg is from the wife

[22:51]and even the sperm is from the husband but is being fertilized

[22:55]and then placed in a womb of another woman and she becomes

[23:03]a carrier because the wife cannot carry the baby till term and

[23:08]there is miscarriage happening when we look at this process you know

[23:16]there are different ways in sheer effect where this can be handled

[23:21]one would be that if this is done let's say a temporary

[23:27]marriage is done by the husband and the other woman then there

[23:34]will be no problem at all because he becomes a second wife

[23:38]and now she is being you know inseminated with the fertilized sperm

[23:45]and egg of the first wife and the husband going into the

[23:52]womb of the second wife that would not be a problem there

[23:56]is no issue at all the only thing is that when we

[24:02]talk about now even if the act is not done if it

[24:08]is a fertilized egg in that way with the husband and wife's

[24:13]egg and sperm the surrogacy would be acceptable but it shouldn't be

[24:21]between the husband and somebody who is muharram to him so for

[24:26]example the mother-in-law cannot be the carrier or the sister cannot be

[24:33]the carrier it has to be somebody who is a woman who

[24:36]is removed from that inner circle so that this this would be

[24:44]so surrogacy in that sense would be allowed in our fete but

[24:49]more interesting question would be who is the mother now the egg

[24:53]is coming from the wife and the baby is developing in the

[25:00]womb of another woman she is the one who is going to

[25:02]give birth so who is the mother is it the genetic mother

[25:08]the one who gave the egg or the biological mother who gave

[25:12]birth when I wrote about this in mid 80s I was looking

[25:18]at the process we have initially heard about how we define things

[25:21]and going with the orphée definition means when you ask people that

[25:27]you know how do you classify somebody as a mother they will

[25:34]say somebody who gave birth so the biological mother would be the

[25:39]mother and when I send this question later on just for verification

[25:42]of what my conclusion was to add to the whole he also

[25:45]agreed with that but let me I'm seeing that they wish the

[25:51]Hadean including I think I totally Sistani and others Tillamook our email

[25:56]address they actually are leaning towards genetic mother that although the birth

[26:02]is given by this other woman the surrogate mother but the real

[26:07]mother is the one who is the genetic mother and so this

[26:12]this is one point that we have to keep in mind when

[26:14]we look at the issue of surrogacy of course you know the

[26:20]child can be the child of the genetic mother and there where

[26:25]the relationship would be of even inheriting but when the other mother

[26:33]is concerned who gave birth at least we can say that there

[26:36]is muharram yet there also and her other children also will be

[26:39]considered like there is a term called rivera mother they are foster

[26:50]brothers and sisters so Mohammed will be established there between that child

[26:57]and the full children of this second woman after taking a break

[27:02]from fertility treatments alia and Ria's decided to try IVF one more

[27:07]time yeah I think we didn't get to that I think after

[27:13]the false pregnancy I think it was at that time that we

[27:17]felt like we needed to take a break was it then yeah

[27:23]yeah and and I think physically I just felt like I couldn't

[27:26]take anymore at that time and so for me I felt like

[27:31]I was done but I think for rias he kind of viewed

[27:35]it as a break and that maybe we'll still try again but

[27:37]for me I think that was the moment where I said I

[27:40]think I'm done and III really surrender it's not that I'm giving

[27:43]up it's that I really surrender to what I was trying to

[27:45]tell me that's how I saw it yeah yeah I think time

[27:49]in that I think oli had completely resigned to the fact that

[27:56]we're not going to have our own biological kids and we were

[27:59]not going to try anymore to do that and I understood where

[28:06]she was coming from at the time and I I kind of

[28:07]accepted what she felt and allowed her to kind of feel those

[28:14]emotions for me I felt more like I'm not ready to give

[28:17]up yet and I'll give her time to take a break before

[28:21]we can decide what to do and eventually I think was like

[28:30]six months after or even the year after it was six months

[28:32]after we're you know we brought that conversation up again and we

[28:40]agreed that we would try 1:1 we just said you know one

[28:41]more do it one more time and we said yeah if this

[28:45]one doesn't work then I think we've successfully tried as much as

[28:47]was in our power and we would be okay with whatever result

[28:52]happen and I think that's when I was I felt more like

[28:58]okay if this time doesn't work then you know maybe that's it

[29:01]um because it's easy for me to say yeah we'll keep trying

[29:05]we'll keep trying but it's it's her that's going through all of

[29:09]the the pain and the toll and kind of physical aspects of

[29:12]it so I had to be very respectful of that and I

[29:17]could see the effects that it had on her when I went

[29:23]for my second IVF I got the call I was actually at

[29:29]a friend's house and she had been a supporter from the beginning

[29:33]and so she was actually the first person that knew even before

[29:37]my spouse because that's where I was and this time there was

[29:40]something different in the call from the clinic that the nurse basically

[29:45]was very elated and she had said you know congratulations and I

[29:49]even double-checked with her and confirmed that but are the numbers really

[29:54]much higher or are they just modern and she goes no no

[29:56]no they're they're really good so don't worry right and it'll it

[30:00]looks like it's gonna be fine and so she said the same

[30:03]thing you have to come back in two days and we're gonna

[30:06]confirm that the numbers are doubling and so the second day I

[30:12]was actually at a meeting we were actually planning to bring over

[30:16]some Syrian newcomers some Syrian refugees and I was at that meeting

[30:19]and I sort of slipped out when I got the call and

[30:24]she yeah she gave me the good news that no your numbers

[30:26]have been doubling and that's exactly what we want to see and

[30:31]so just continue taking these you know few medications and and that

[30:34]was pretty much like they say like the rest is history like

[30:37]we we really were so thankful and grateful and a HMDA LED

[30:45]that was yeah it was it was really I tried to keep

[30:51]my emotions in check though even though I was really happy but

[30:54]I I tried to keep it moderately happy because you're always erring

[30:57]on the side of caution especially when you've been through infertility but

[31:01]um the last she came at right on the dot at 38

[31:06]weeks and home day that she brought light literally brought a light

[31:10]into our life and she continues to do that um Delilah infertility

[31:18]is a deeply distressing experience as a community it is important to

[31:25]remember that some couples may not have children yet because they are

[31:30]unable to or because they simply don't want to children it is

[31:36]it is important to have the conversations and to start the conversations

[31:40]about you know that's why we're talking about it and sharing our

[31:44]stories what I would want people to know is that before you

[31:47]ask a question about someone's pregnancy or if they're able to have

[31:55]children or why you don't have children just give them the 70

[31:59]excuses that they may already actually have had two children but they

[32:04]miscarried them or they may be trying everything and it's not working

[32:09]and so it's just about giving somebody the empathy and the benefit

[32:15]that yes if they've been married for five years six years seven

[32:20]years ten years and they don't have children I think that it's

[32:24]it's okay to maybe allude to or ask but really being respectful

[32:32]that if they don't want to talk or if they you know

[32:35]they they just give you a short of quick answer or pray

[32:38]for us or that sort of thing that I think it's really

[32:43]important to just be okay with that and and leave it at

[32:45]that and really trust that when they're ready or if they're ever

[32:49]ready they will share with the people that are close to them

[32:52]so when we look at imam mahdi alayhi salam as we say

[32:57]at the moment he doesn't have children so and that's why we

[33:00]mentioned most of the time he is alone but we are with

[33:05]the communities so when imam ali he salaam will reappear then of

[33:09]course as PHA narrations he will marry and he will have children

[33:13]but the point here is to look at the time since he

[33:20]went to Ryba up to now more than thousand years so we

[33:23]are thinking about him he's alone he doesn't have children heard many

[33:28]women say that oh well that's life Oh what can we do

[33:34]well there's a lot you can do there's a lot you can

[33:39]do and it starts from education support and treatment being a woman

[33:45]is not confined to being a mother whether a couple has children

[33:50]or not know that this is ultimately in the hands of God

[33:56]and God is the one who provides with what is best [Music]

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