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3. Is the Bible the Word of God? | Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani | Ramadan 2022
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[3:44]bismillah [Music] foreign be [Music] is the bible the word of god
[5:21]without a doubt is one of the most important questions when it
[5:27]comes to reconstructing and analyzing the biography and the life of jesus
[5:32]son of mary because we know very well that it's one of
[5:36]the most widespread books in human history wherever you go in the
[5:42]world you'll find that there is either a bible in a particular
[5:45]hotel that you visited or you may find a bible as something
[5:49]that may have to be sworn by in the courtrooms or you'll
[5:54]find at least publishers and printers and booksellers will all have the
[6:00]bible available for us to order of course this was not necessarily
[6:04]the case when we go back 2 000 years the textual variants
[6:09]that exist in the copies of the bibles and the copies of
[6:14]the gospels means that there is always a question mark concerning whether
[6:19]the bible was the word of god or not for muslims from
[6:21]a young age as we mentioned last night we're taught that the
[6:27]only word of god is the quran in the sense that there
[6:29]were revelations that were given in the past we mentioned last night
[6:35]when allah mentions the torah and within the torah is what his
[6:51]guidance and his light so allah mentions the torah as a form
[6:57]of guidance for mankind likewise allah mentions the injeel if you ask
[7:02]any of us what is bible in arabic we always mention that
[7:05]arabized word in the opinion of some from the syriac or from
[7:11]the ethiopian and that is the injeel you find in the quran
[7:16]allah says that we gave jesus the injeel or in another eye
[7:19]of the quran allah says in surah 3 verse number 48 that
[7:31]allah teaches him the book the wisdom the torah and the injeel
[7:35]so why then do muslims say the quran is the only word
[7:39]of god when allah is saying that we taught jesus son of
[7:43]mary the torah and the injeel and remember when the quran was
[7:49]saying this one of the biggest dilemmas that muslims will always face
[7:52]is when allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala is mentioning the torah and the injeel
[7:58]to the early muslim community especially in medina the majority of times
[8:03]you'll find that the injeel is discussed as in medina and mecca
[8:05]there is more of a discussion of god and the oneness of
[8:10]god and a discussion of proving oneness in contrast to polytheism but
[8:15]when you come to medinian society there is a mention on the
[8:20]torah and a mention of the injil last night we even went
[8:22]further in saying that there are discussions which mention very clearly that
[8:29]allah subhanahu wa ta'ala for example states to all of us where
[8:32]he says very clearly that you can look towards the torah and
[8:37]the indeed and that the people of the injeel are the ones
[8:40]who have to refer to their rulings let the people of the
[8:49]injeel the people of the bible come together and judge by what
[8:52]allah has revealed so the bible is mentioned the old testament new
[8:57]testament the torah the injeel the jewish bible the new testament is
[9:03]all mentioned within the quran question then why is it that muslims
[9:09]do not necessarily believe that the bible is god's word is there
[9:13]any verse in the quran that says that the bible has been
[9:18]changed completely where it specifically says that the injeel was changed and
[9:25]hence we gave you the quran is there an ayah that says
[9:28]this that the bible was changed and we gave you the quran
[9:31]there's no ayah that actually says it yes is mentioned in for
[9:42]example but there is no ayah in the quran that mentions that
[9:44]allah said that we changed and because of the change of the
[9:51]bible we gave the quran you found that the verses mention for
[9:55]example the torah the injeel but when they mention the torah and
[10:01]the injil next to the torah or next to the injeel there
[10:03]isn't a direct verse that says that the injeel was changed and
[10:07]therefore allah gave muslims the quran although many of us from a
[10:13]young age this is what we're taught in muslim communities and this
[10:15]question is vital why because i have to ask myself if the
[10:19]bible is the word of god that we have with us until
[10:24]today then why am i muslim am i a muslim simply because
[10:28]my parents are muslim so i'm a muslim if my dad was
[10:33]called krishna then i'd be hindu and if my dad for example
[10:35]was called raj for example i'd be sick and if my dad
[10:39]was called matthew i might be christian why am i a muslim
[10:40]it's because i believe in the quran and i believe in the
[10:45]message of the holy prophet peace be upon his family but then
[10:47]why don't i believe in the bible what's my argument against the
[10:50]bible what do i show from the bible that has led me
[10:58]to believing the only uncorrupted unaltered text of god is the quran
[11:01]now when i say this of course is the bible the word
[11:05]of god and asked this question i don't want to be arrogant
[11:10]towards the christian community that watches this ultimately i'm not a prophet
[11:14]of god sitting here for me to say that this book is
[11:16]the word of god or this book isn't i can either approach
[11:21]this in an academic fashion where i look at some of the
[11:24]reasons why i as a muslim may not take the bible that
[11:32]is with me today as necessarily the word of god i don't
[11:35]want to turn it around into a discussion where i look at
[11:39]the christian community for example and say that all of you are
[11:42]doomed to hell and all of you are going to burn because
[11:45]your book is the wrong no it's a discussion that this book
[11:47]the bible i attest to it in the quran that the jewish
[11:52]bible and the new testament i attest that there may be a
[11:55]discussion of them within the quran within the discussions of the torah
[12:02]and the injeel but why is it that i as a muslim
[12:05]do not necessarily believe that the bible that we have today is
[12:13]necessarily the word of god why is it that i reject the
[12:20]idea that it's the word of god why is it that i
[12:21]differ with the idea that it's the word of god what are
[12:26]the reasons and even you who are watching online or at home
[12:27]if someone was to ask you why do you not believe the
[12:32]bible is the word of god for which reason what are your
[12:36]main answers that you would give and that's why you'll find that
[12:39]this question is a question of the accuracy of the bible of
[12:45]the inerrancy of the bible of the question of what's the preservation
[12:48]of the bible because if today someone came to me and by
[12:53]the way this is a christian belief if someone today came to
[12:56]me and said to me that the church leaders decided a few
[13:00]centuries after jesus died that these were the parts to be included
[13:07]in the bible would that give you confidence that the bible the
[13:09]word of god i just want you to think about this whether
[13:12]you're a muslim or whether you're a christian the church leaders decided
[13:19]a few centuries after jesus died that these were the parts that
[13:26]could be collected and canonized as the bible and the word of
[13:32]god if someone said that to me it doesn't fill me with
[13:33]confidence the reality is that there is too much human involvement in
[13:40]how the bible was collected and preserved now someone might turn around
[13:46]and say but the quran has a lot of human involvement as
[13:48]well that's a good point at the end of the day allah
[13:52]subhanahu wa ta'ala or god when he reveals the quran does the
[13:57]prophet write the quran when allah reveals the quran that's the prophet
[14:01]muhammad sallallahu alaihi does he write the quran or no i want
[14:06]you to ask yourself these questions rather than be unfair to the
[14:10]christians and the bible does the prophets write the quran no so
[14:13]who writes the quran quran we have with us today who is
[14:18]it written by the quran is written by companions of rasulallah who
[14:24]were sitting alongside him the order of the revelation of god to
[14:31]prophets has always been along this line god reveals to a prophet
[14:34]that prophet either is one who for example writes or he may
[14:41]have certain disciples around him who are the ones who write up
[14:43]to this point i have no issue that if i come with
[14:48]a conclusion that god reveals to jesus and that jesus who's similar
[14:55]to the prophet muhammad peace be upon him in his family and
[14:58]the fact that both of them are illiterate when i say illiterate
[15:04]i don't mean they don't know how to read or write i
[15:07]mean that they were never formally taught by another human being how
[15:12]to read or write both of them never were known to have
[15:17]written in their lifetime so now when i see this i see
[15:20]that the prophet muhammad peace be upon him and his family when
[15:23]god revealed to him the quran did the prophet write the quran
[15:26]the prophet did not write the quran who wrote the quran was
[15:31]he living alongside the prophet yes abdullah ibn masrud was living alongside
[15:36]the prophet yes ho they fell living alongside the prophet yes therefore
[15:42]as a muslim my understanding of revelation is that god inspires or
[15:50]reveals to a prophet those around the prophet are the ones who
[15:55]are writing if i can find a similarity with the bible then
[16:02]why can't the bible not be the word of god if i
[16:04]find with the bible that god revealed his message to christ christ
[16:12]does not write there are those around him who write so is
[16:19]there a problem with me following the bible if that is my
[16:26]conclusion i have to now in my study and discussion try and
[16:29]understand is there a similarity between the way the quran is revealed
[16:33]and the way the bible supposedly was revealed if i find that
[16:40]the people around jesus were writing his dictations from the lord then
[16:44]what's the issue with me believing in the bible why do i
[16:47]only believe in the quran but if i find however even when
[16:52]i come to the quran i have manuscripts of the quran if
[16:55]i see verses missing 20 years later or verses added 300 years
[17:02]later would i accept the quran i ask you if i have
[17:04]a copy of the quran which has a story for example about
[17:10]a lady committing zina a hundred years after the original quran had
[17:16]none of that story wouldn't i doubt the quran i'd say hold
[17:18]on a minute where did this story come in about adultery a
[17:22]few hundred years later but it's not there in the original quran
[17:24]if i now look at my quran my quran i need to
[17:29]look at manuscripts i want to see the textual variance how much
[17:32]variation is there yes is there a lot of variation if the
[17:37]quran now someone brought your quran from a thousand years ago and
[17:41]it is missing six chapters from the quran of today wouldn't you
[17:45]begin to doubt your own book so therefore i'm trying to now
[17:50]look at the bible in this way that if i believe in
[17:53]the quran that god inspires the prophet the prophet has people around
[17:58]him these are people who are companions they write during the prophet's
[18:03]lifetime what the prophet said to them and that there is a
[18:05]copy of the quran from a thousand years ago which is the
[18:08]same as the copies that i have today then i'll be confident
[18:10]the quran is the word of god if the same can apply
[18:12]to the bible then i'll be confident with the same therefore tonight
[18:18]when we're answering this question is the bible the word of god
[18:21]i need to ask myself maybe for the first time in my
[18:26]life why have i rejected the bible and what was the methodology
[18:32]in which the bible was revealed and how do i answer the
[18:35]issues that we raised in last night's discussion because last night we
[18:41]raised the number of issues and i'd like to look at each
[18:44]of these issues tonight in answering the question is the bible the
[18:47]word of god or not last night we raised the number of
[18:51]questions what were they we said that in the quran there are
[18:56]certain christians who say that god in the quran has no problem
[19:00]with the bible because he keeps asking people to refer to the
[19:06]bible if god had a problem with the bible when the prophet
[19:08]muhammad peace be upon him and his family was alive then why
[19:11]does god keep telling el injeel to go to their bible when
[19:15]allah subhanahu wa says when allah tells the people of the bible
[19:23]go and judge by that which allah has sent if the bible
[19:28]has been changed then how could allah ask them to go and
[19:33]judge by that which allah has sent or if you look in
[19:36]another verse of the quran we mentioned last night allah subhanahu wa
[19:39]ta'ala when he mentions oh another of the arguments that we posited
[19:49]last night allah so there is no one who can change the
[19:55]words of allah so how could you say the bible was changed
[19:58]if no one can change these arguments are arguments which are the
[20:02]first ones i'd like to address as to whether the bible is
[20:07]the word of god or no how do we address them firstly
[20:09]when the quran says let the people of the injil judge by
[20:14]their books there's a possibility that a the people of the injil
[20:22]were carrying with them the remnants of the bible in its truest
[20:25]form yes there is a belief that in the time of the
[20:28]holy prophet peace be upon him and his family there was still
[20:32]a group of christians who could have been addressed by such a
[20:37]verse who were known as the ebionites christians there are many different
[20:39]groups of christians and one of the earliest groups were the ebionites
[20:43]the ebionites for example were amongst the christians who would have believed
[20:49]in one god may not necessarily have believed for example in jesus
[20:53]being the son of god they may not even have believed that
[20:55]jesus was born from a virgin birth but they certainly would have
[21:02]leaned more towards a monotheistic belief so if the quran is telling
[21:07]them o people of the injil go and judge by your book
[21:12]on the first level there may have been a group of christians
[21:14]who had the teachings of christ with them until today without those
[21:21]teachings being altered in any way on the second level what could
[21:26]the answer be on the second level it could also be that
[21:28]you may not have the complete version which has not been affected
[21:34]but you've got enough within there that is enough for you to
[21:38]judge yes i may have for example living in the time of
[21:42]rasulallah i am one of them i may be living in the
[21:46]time of the prophet maybe the bible that i have with me
[21:48]maybe it has been affected by some tahrif because i cannot discount
[21:56]the those verses that say you had there is definitely an opinion
[22:00]of some sort of tariff maybe but is it enough for me
[22:04]not to be able to use the bible i ask you are
[22:08]there certain lines in the bible which you'd say and imam would
[22:10]say until today with us in the bible there are some lines
[22:14]in the bible with us until today which i wouldn't be surprised
[22:17]if someone like imam alaihi salam would say they're beautiful lines does
[22:21]that mean that every line in the bible has been affected by
[22:26]tariff every single line there are certain lines for example blessed are
[22:29]the meek blessed are the poor blessed are the poor is the
[22:31]line which is affected by tariff when you say blessed are the
[22:38]poor is that affected by no that shows that in the bible
[22:41]there are still certain instances where a person can still as a
[22:44]christian live a very good life for allah there are christians in
[22:49]the world today who are better than muslims there are christians in
[22:54]the world today whose mouths are not as filthy as the muslim
[22:58]mouth the muslim mouth is happy doing on everybody the muslim mouth
[23:03]is happy sending everybody to hell the muslim mouth is happy calling
[23:06]everybody shimmer and eben marjana and yazid the muslim mouth enjoys attacking
[23:12]everybody not praise it loves to attack there are christians in this
[23:18]world wallah they're the most peaceful of people they have the best
[23:22]of morals walking on this earth but they have it because of
[23:26]the bible not because they've ever read the quran does that mean
[23:29]therefore that i believe that the whole of the bible that was
[23:33]present in the time of rasulallah the whole of the bible has
[23:44]been affected no not necessarily so if allah tells you that you
[23:47]should judge by what that you should judge by the bible because
[23:51]in the bible there may be enough for them to judge by
[23:54]how many times is a christian friend of yours given you a
[23:57]quote from jesus where you're like you know what i love that
[24:01]because rationally and because you'd think that's a prophet like isa would
[24:05]say something like this isn't that true so likewise when the quran
[24:12]says tell the people of the injeel to judge by the injeel
[24:15]it could be because the people of the injeel have enough of
[24:20]a text for them to judge amongst each other that's why you
[24:23]find discussions among certain scholars of a particular text if you want
[24:30]online my dear brother sisters at home you can read it and
[24:32]the idea that the arab christians in that early period had a
[24:34]gospel of harmony known as the dia tessaron and that the ebianites
[24:39]may have been amongst those who followed that particular gospel where they
[24:45]believed in god they believed in the oneness of god they believed
[24:47]prophet isa alaihissalam was a prophet they did not necessarily subscribe or
[24:53]were affected by certain trinitarian beliefs which possibly could have been the
[24:59]cause of their persecution many years later so now when someone says
[25:04]to me when the quran says ask injeel that means the injeel
[25:08]of the time no way could the injured have been corrupted no
[25:11]you could easily have an injured present that has more than enough
[25:14]within it for you to be able to use it someone says
[25:20]that doesn't mean when it says that the example of the companions
[25:24]of the prophet is in the torah and the injil it doesn't
[25:28]mean that i have to find the torah and injeel in its
[25:29]origin it could just be telling me that these are the types
[25:34]of people who are described in the bible that's it it's not
[25:37]necessarily referring me to look within the bible rather it's telling me
[25:42]that before them there were people who lived like them that's number
[25:46]two number three someone says no one can change the words of
[25:52]allah doesn't mean that no one can alter allah's revelation it means
[25:55]when allah gives you a word about something he always fulfills it
[25:59]if allah tells you that now if you do good deeds you'll
[26:04]go towards heaven and if you do bad deeds you'll go towards
[26:06]hell none can change the word of allah the promise of allah
[26:14]allah promises you if you're obedient to your parents then allah will
[26:21]look after you allah promises you if you show up to your
[26:24]fellow human beings then you are the highest in the eyes of
[26:27]allah doesn't mean that the bible and the torah will never ever
[26:34]be changed rather what it means is that when allah makes a
[26:36]promise allah fulfills that promise his kalima is always a truthful kalima
[26:44]yes never does anyone doubt his word therefore the objections which were
[26:47]raised last night were these verses these verses we reply to them
[26:54]now why do i as a muslim not necessarily believe that the
[27:00]bible is the word of god me personally where does it come
[27:03]from each of you at home may have your different reasons yes
[27:05]all of you at home may have your different reasons you may
[27:08]come up with a whole host of reasons why do i not
[27:10]believe i said that when i looked at the way the quran
[27:15]was revealed as a muslim god unless it prophet illiterate prophet whatever
[27:23]the terms you want to use but around that prophet there are
[27:27]disciples these disciples are writing and then from there we have a
[27:35]standardized version of the quran where the copies and the copies continue
[27:40]until today with some variants textually i must admit i cannot turn
[27:46]around as a muslim and say the quran of 1400 years ago
[27:51]until today could there be a question about some variance of readings
[27:55]of the quran possibly possibly until totally there are muslims i've seen
[27:59]when i pray salah till jamal i hear some so can i
[28:11]say that the muslims were all in agreement about the word maliki
[28:17]or maliki but that's different from a textual variant where a whole
[28:21]section of a story is in one quran and not in the
[28:26]other now when i'm looking at the bible let me try and
[28:28]understand the bible for everybody at home we gave a brief introduction
[28:34]to trying to understand the bible we said the bible is made
[28:38]up of the jewish bible the old testament and the new testament
[28:41]we agreed on all of that we discussed yesterday the jewish bible
[28:45]and we said you can remember it in the split of the
[28:49]torah and the navy and the ketuvin we've agreed on that that
[28:54]is the old testament when we're coming to the new testament you
[28:59]ask any christian you want to understand jesus's life ask any christian
[29:05]they will not refer you to the old testament because the old
[29:10]testament in reality is not going to be clear cut in saying
[29:14]that jesus is to come you have to infer within the old
[29:16]testament about jesus where do i find out about jesus then if
[29:18]i want to understand jesus now from the bible i'm going to
[29:23]go to the new testament yes i said earlier that it's already
[29:30]been agreed that this new testament and what we have today they
[29:34]are all in agreement on it the day jesus died no ten
[29:39]years after he died no 50 years after he died no rather
[29:44]a few hundred years after he died the church leaders come to
[29:49]an agreement that these are the books that could be called the
[29:52]bible what are the main books which are always mentioned whenever you
[29:58]hear a christian he'll always say to you matthew mark luke and
[30:05]john don't we always say that we always say gospel according to
[30:10]matthew the gospel according to mark even though mark is earlier than
[30:16]matthew but matthew mark luke and john the prophet muhammad peace be
[30:25]upon his family was writing when the quran would be revealed to
[30:30]the prophet the prophet would look at imam ali for example and
[30:32]say bismillah and then he would say next to him he would
[30:41]say imam ali would rise and then it would say then imam
[30:55]ali was right imam ali would write this i trust the quran
[31:08]because i know imam ali is a contemporary of who of the
[31:12]holy prophet peace be upon him and his family forget my other
[31:18]opinions about imam ali's position because enough for me that writes the
[31:21]quran with the supervision of rasulallah i trust the quran i don't
[31:28]deny that after rasulallah died quran goes to kufa whatever there's going
[31:34]to be variants and certain readings that exist when it comes to
[31:40]the bible matthew mark luke john look is a companion of paul
[31:49]luke is a companion of who poor that means is he a
[31:58]disciple of jesus no these books for example when i see john
[32:03]who where john gave the title to the book or for example
[32:09]a couple of centuries later they placed names of these people on
[32:12]the books our surahs in the quran by the way when surah
[32:17]al-imran was revealed there was no such thing as called surat al-imran
[32:20]that came later it wasn't revealed oh sallamu alaikum everyone we've got
[32:25]news there's a sword called no it comes later they name it
[32:27]later same way with the bible but the difference is that the
[32:34]four who are mentioned when it comes to the bible i'm looking
[32:38]at their versions and i see matthew copies from mark mark is
[32:48]taking from peter luke is a companion of paul john there are
[32:57]a number of different variants of john even some reaching a level
[33:04]of five this matthew mark luke and john of course someone can
[33:08]come and tell me but they were inspired and so on and
[33:12]so forth but i'm seeing that these aren't necessarily contemporaneous to jesus
[33:19]alaihissalam what i'm seeing is that luke is the companion of paul
[33:23]i'm seeing that matthew copies from mark and that mark is taking
[33:30]from who from peter for example if the chapter was called gospel
[33:32]of peter it would be a different story if the chapter was
[33:37]called the gospel of peter who at the beginning when i opened
[33:39]the new testament i don't see peter or james or simon i
[33:44]see straight away matthew mark luke and john but if matthew is
[33:48]taking from mark if matthew is taking from christ is different matthew
[33:52]takes from where copies from mark mark is from where is taking
[34:00]from peter luke is a companion of paul and on top of
[34:03]that all of these names were added onto these particular chapters a
[34:07]couple of hundred years later to say that this is attributed to
[34:10]me there versions that doesn't fill me with confidence i must admit
[34:15]rather if you tell me the quran and i see for example
[34:21]the first person to have written the quran was 120 years after
[34:24]the prophet or 90 years after the prophet then i'd have question
[34:30]marks yes hence straight away writes the quran and doesn't leave his
[34:34]house until the quran is complete and the holy prophet has that
[34:40]confidence to say i leave behind for you the quran i leave
[34:42]behind for you the quran and my progeny or the holy prophet
[34:47]or as umar himself said the quran is enough for us during
[34:50]the life of the prophet that means the quran is compiled there
[34:53]during the life according to certain scholars of the holy prophet peace
[34:58]be upon him as family now so i've got matthew mark luke
[35:01]john these guys were best friends of jesus walking around with him
[35:05]everywhere or rather i see matthew take from mark and mark is
[35:09]taken from peter and luke is a companion of paul how then
[35:11]do i take all of this that's number one number two what
[35:15]second thing doesn't make me believe that the bible in its entirety
[35:18]i'm saying i believe certain parts of the bible which is with
[35:21]us today is from god but i'm saying in its entirety what
[35:25]is it that makes me believe the bible is not the word
[35:31]second thing is translations always cause havoc quran what's its language arabic
[35:38]arabic everybody will know the quran inside out even from your indonesia
[35:44]or from bangladesh and allah has proud when he mentions that we
[35:46]revealed it an arabic quran when i'm living there at the time
[35:51]and i am seeing greek translations take place how many changes can
[35:57]occur and mistakes can occur in these translations the hellenic community has
[36:02]a major influence on the translations of the bible and then it's
[36:08]translated into for example georgian and slovenic and translate in different languages
[36:12]it causes problems number three a third problem that i face when
[36:16]i'm looking at the bible what is it the third problem is
[36:21]when these scribes are trying to make copies of the bible these
[36:23]scribes who are making copies at that time we don't have publishing
[36:26]houses and printing houses do we that time we don't have that
[36:30]oral memorizers in some cases make less mistakes than a person who's
[36:38]a scribe a person sometimes his oral memory spot on but when
[36:42]it comes to scribe and copying sometimes when we're copying a book
[36:44]we'll make a mistake without realizing but when we're trying to memorize
[36:48]something we'll clock straight away if i missed a particular word in
[36:52]an eye of the quran now at that time for example in
[36:55]rome ninety percent of the people let's say we're illiterate and these
[37:00]people are not writing ten percent are writing who said these ten
[37:03]percent are the best of writers a person comes for example from
[37:09]a land like antioch or a land like a fish or a
[37:10]smyrna and they want to take a copy of this bible they
[37:14]want to copy it and take it there what's going to happen
[37:16]what's going to happen is that there's going to be what there's
[37:19]going to be discrepancies there's going to be differences there's going to
[37:24]be textual variants that are going to occur from those oldest manuscripts
[37:30]all the way until today there will be textual variants even if
[37:34]you tell me 5 700 greek manuscripts we have we'll still find
[37:39]that there will be textual variances that will exist why because of
[37:43]human error i as a human if i see a story in
[37:46]the hashia i may want to include that story but that story
[37:50]was not part of the bible but i'll say i'll find a
[37:52]place for it in the bible and that's why you find john
[37:56]mill at oxford a few hundred years ago john mill collected he
[37:59]was trying to collect bring together the new testament a hundred manuscripts
[38:04]do you know how many discrepancies and variants he found thirty thousand
[38:09]a hundred manuscripts of the new testament thirty thousand it's a i'm
[38:15]not talking five thousand seven hundred manuscripts i'm talking 100 manuscripts and
[38:21]i find how many discrepancies and differences and inconsistencies john mill found
[38:26]the oxford a few hundred years ago thirty thousand someone says what
[38:32]do you mean when you say that there are textual variants in
[38:37]the bible and discrepancies what i mean is if i want to
[38:43]write my version of jesus's mission i want to then superimpose what
[38:49]i want christianity to look like in the way that i write
[38:52]isn't that true there's a difference between imam ali writing the quran
[38:58]and someone coming 200 years later putting his own things into the
[39:04]quran when i know that there is a mason and infallible who
[39:06]is supervising the writing of this book it is different from having
[39:11]somebody who all of a sudden sees a vision and that now
[39:16]he is guided by jesus and now he wants to superimpose that's
[39:18]why you see in the christian world peter and paul cannot stand
[39:22]each other peter what did we say earlier we said earlier mark
[39:28]takes his from peter peter is huge in christianity paul is the
[39:32]highest name you'll see in christianity those who tell you jesus is
[39:37]the highest i think paul gives him a good run for his
[39:38]money for a jewish convert masha allah he done very well for
[39:44]christianity you found that paul and you found that peter loggerheads with
[39:48]one another why because one's gonna superimpose his opinion and the other
[39:54]will superimpose his opinion and hence when i come to simple stories
[39:58]simple stories in the bible if you look over a thousand years
[40:04]you'll see how there are some stories that were not in the
[40:07]early manuscripts of the bible a thousand years later there earliest manuscripts
[40:14]of the bible even if you look at the greeks and their
[40:18]earliest manuscripts you'll find a story in the bible let me give
[40:20]you four examples today four is sufficient for me to give today
[40:26]i'm not gonna give any more today i'll look at john 7
[40:29]and i'll look at luke 2 matthew 24 and the end of
[40:35]mark i'll look at these four these are sufficient for me today
[40:40]to highlight why i may not reach a conclusion that the whole
[40:43]of the bible is the word of god as we know it
[40:47]john 7 famous story many of us have heard it wherever you
[40:52]go you'll hear it and it's actually a wonderful story of allah
[40:54]to tell you the honest truth it's just a shame that it
[40:57]wasn't in the earlier bibles but found it way in a thousand
[41:00]years later lady is dragged into the temple while jesus is teaching
[41:09]he's teaching in the jewish temple a lady is dragged in by
[41:13]the leaders or the scholars of judaism she has committed sinner the
[41:22]law of moses is to stone her what do you say jesus
[41:28]that's a difficult one for jesus why difficult one the difficulty is
[41:35]you've come with a message of love and mercy but we're gonna
[41:39]see if you're really following musa's law what does that do he
[41:45]stoops down and it's as if he's looking into the ground writing
[41:49]he says the one who has not committed a sin let's him
[41:53]be the one who stones all of us as humans we have
[41:59]glass houses on you she doesn't wear hijab she's telling you how
[42:05]you've ruined the message of imam al-hussein i said wait do you
[42:08]go and wear hijab first so that said isaiah will be happy
[42:12]with you and then teach me about abba abdullah as if i
[42:15]don't know much about him now when do people throw glas or
[42:21]stones they have glass houses you throw stones glass houses you want
[42:26]to throw stone at this girl which one of you has not
[42:28]committed the sin because i find people very interesting when you don't
[42:33]do something in faith then they throw stones at you how many
[42:36]things of do you not do oh that person one lie you
[42:42]know that person is not the most religious person in the world
[42:44]why because that person i saw him do this did you wake
[42:48]up for fajr last night he says the ones of you who
[42:57]has no sin stone suddenly everybody starts to leave if she's committed
[43:03]sinner you want to stone her what tell me about your sins
[43:14]is there anyone left no he goes then you know what you
[43:21]won't do the sin again go repent and it doesn't this story
[43:24]john 7 with us in the early manuscripts it's not there now
[43:28]how am i going to trust john when i see a story
[43:33]which in the earlier john is not there but then later on
[43:37]i find that the story is there so here i have john
[43:45]7.
[43:42]i have another one which is where luke 2 we said luke
[43:47]was a companion of paul luke 2.
[43:49]luke 2 what does it refer to young jesus 12 years old
[43:55]they've go it's gone with his family to wear for a festival
[44:00]in rome when his family go home three days they realize uh
[44:03]oh where's jesus now normally look some parents are absent-minded zoom yes
[44:10]some parents are absent-minded without a doubt but three days well i'm
[44:18]not sure when eventually they find jesus one version says that myself
[44:23]and your father were wondering or didn't know where you were looking
[44:32]for you they want to find him another says joseph and me
[44:42]so now i have two versions one mentions me and the father
[44:49]and another mentions joseph and me here's a question mark why are
[44:56]there two different versions on this yes firstly i thought it was
[44:59]a virgin birth and so now the question mark is who joseph
[45:04]is so again here you have a version that says myself and
[45:09]the father or your father and i and the other mentions joseph
[45:12]and i here's the second one a third one you come to
[45:19]matthew 24.
[45:18]matthew 24 what does it discuss it discusses the end of time
[45:24]none knows who knows not even the sun oh problem none knows
[45:39]not even the sun only the father problem hold on hold on
[45:44]father son holy spirit not even the sun but then hold on
[45:48]a minute what's going on if the sun doesn't none knows not
[45:52]even the sun that means the difference between the knowledge of the
[45:55]sun and the knowledge of the father true if the father and
[45:59]the son and the holy spirit are ones what's going on so
[46:03]then not even the sun was removed in other manuscripts removed not
[46:07]even the sun was jaime what have you bought not even the
[46:09]sun here for this causes a headache i am looking at it
[46:14]i'm seeing textual variants but big difference one says none knows the
[46:18]end of time except two not even the son except the father
[46:23]the other says no none knows that's the time except the father
[46:25]the son has gone because if i say there's a problem in
[46:27]the knowledge of the sun how do you have father son the
[46:32]holy spirit that means that the son lacks and the father has
[46:35]the father is all knowledgeable the son so you see another one
[46:39]another interesting one is which one look how many variants there are
[46:42]imagine now someone bought your quran and he said to you wow
[46:46]this is a sick story saying i'm like you know when the
[46:48]quran was revealed it wasn't there but eventually it got there and
[46:51]how did it get there drew you'll ask that question you're like
[46:55]how did it get there and the simple answer is over time
[46:57]this scribe may have found it the scribe saw it in the
[47:00]margin this one decided to include it and that's why i cannot
[47:05]trust that the whole of the bible can give me the real
[47:06]picture of jesus the last one i want to quote which one
[47:10]the end of the book of mark mark's book probably the shortest
[47:15]it comes 16 chapter 16 8 it ends where where does it
[47:19]end 16 8 then suddenly after 16 8 in some copies of
[47:26]the bible there's double brackets 9 till 20.
[47:30]hold on a minute imagine tomorrow you saw a surah you saw
[47:34]the sword of the quran like surah al-baqarah yeah surah 286.
[47:41]imagine that you find a version that says brackets there's another 14
[47:47]i as at the end you're like well what is this appendix
[47:49]what is the the added something i did what's going on with
[47:55]mark 16 8 it normally ends there what does it end with
[47:59]jesus has been on the cross jesus has died and um he's
[48:04]been buried and then you've got these ladies who come three days
[48:07]later they come towards the tomb of jesus and what do they
[48:11]find they find a man there who tells the ladies who are
[48:13]of course afraid he tells them that you have to go and
[48:17]you tell the other disciples what's happened and there just ends like
[48:21]that ends abruptly later the story is not like this the story
[48:26]i have to fill it now ma what's mark saying the story
[48:33]ends with the ladies seeing that jesus is true for example is
[48:35]empty and there's a man who says that you leave until and
[48:40]that they don't go and tell the other desire they leave afraid
[48:45]yes he tells them you go and tell the people if they
[48:49]want to see jesus they go to galilee and they will see
[48:51]jesus and the whole idea mark ends at 16 8 later mark
[48:57]has another 12 verses they went to the disciples and the disciples
[49:00]went with the ladies and they went to galilee and that's where
[49:02]they found jesus why these have been added for what reason why
[49:08]doesn't the story end at eight why doesn't the story just finish
[49:13]there i find a copy of the bible with no adultery story
[49:16]then i find a copy with an adultery story i find a
[49:20]copy of the bible saying to me that no one knows the
[49:22]day of judgment except the father not even the son then suddenly
[49:25]i see the son has been deleted i find a copy of
[49:30]the bible where jesus is talking about a father and his mom
[49:34]or joseph and his mom so you therefore find that these textual
[49:38]variants cause the question mark that can i take the whole bible
[49:43]not necessarily because it becomes a problem for me i as a
[49:48]muslim therefore do i look down at the christian because of the
[49:51]bible no because i believe that the bible still has a lot
[49:54]within it which we can learn from tomorrow i'll examine the difference
[49:57]where some of the prophets in the quran some of the prophets
[50:01]of the bible there may be a difference in their stories which
[50:03]may lead further to me not necessarily taking all of the bible
[50:08]but sufficient for me to say that within the bible there still
[50:12]remain teachings which were enough for allah to tell the community use
[50:18]the injeel he was telling the earl the christian community in medina
[50:22]judge by the injeel why because within the injeel whether it was
[50:26]a thousand years ago or today there are still messages which are
[50:32]good for mankind messages which honor who which honor nabi dawud alaihi
[50:37]an honor for example ibrahim yes we have differences in some of
[50:42]the stories but there are still good messages of the way to
[50:44]interact with the lord and that's why you found in islamic history
[50:50]that the christians who loved god and who loved revelation and who
[50:54]loved prophets their hearts would break if they saw anyone related to
[50:58]a prophet of allah subhanallah there are christians in the world today
[51:02]when they hear the story of imam al-hussein alaihissalam they write poetry
[51:07]about sayyid they write poetry about how even a person who shows
[51:12]extreme emotion for abdullah that is not enough when a person realizes
[51:16]what imam was saying went through in his life and that's why
[51:20]it doesn't surprise me that's on the plains of sham and the
[51:26]court of yazid yazid had tried his hardest to bring people who
[51:29]would laugh at al muhammad who would mock what al muhammad were
[51:33]going through amongst them he had bought certain christian ambassadors certain roman
[51:39]ambassadors they were sitting next to yazid and yazid what was he
[51:46]doing poking their lips and the eyes of imam al-hussein every year
[51:50]when i utter these lines whether it's in muharram or in shah
[51:53]rahman just the image of thinking of someone poking the lips of
[51:58]imam al-hussein breaks the heart of every muslim he was poking the
[52:03]lips poking the eyes the christian man who was next to him
[52:06]he looked towards yazid he looked towards the ladies he saw a
[52:12]lady in her 50s but he saw a girl in her threes
[52:14]fours the youngest of girls in their infancy he saw for example
[52:21]some girls who were in their teenage years he began to ask
[52:23]a question because he noticed that these ladies had looked after themselves
[52:29]spiritually modestly he asked yazidi who are these ladies why are they
[52:34]looking like they're in a state of fear yes he said to
[52:39]him these are rebels he said but tell me who they are
[52:44]he said to him these are the daughters of muhammad when the
[52:47]christian man heard the name of rasulullah he said to him is
[52:52]that the prophet of allah that these people claim to follow yes
[52:57]he looked towards him he said to him yes why do you
[53:02]say this he said to him we had the footprint of the
[53:07]donkey over isaac in our village some people mentioned the footprint of
[53:12]the donkey of we had the footprint of the donkey of a
[53:17]prophet of allah in our village and we looked after it we
[53:23]made sure that we honored it because it was a connection between
[53:28]us and the heavens these are the granddaughters of the man who
[53:34]brought your people the message how could you oh yes he chained
[53:40]them in this way these are the granddaughters of a prophet of
[53:46]allah yazid when he heard this he said to the man he
[53:48]said to the man how dare you speak like this and he
[53:53]said to him who is this head that you poke with your
[53:55]stick he said to him that is the head of hussain the
[54:00]son of ali the christian man upon hearing the name of abba
[54:07]dillah begun to shed tears at that moment and said and that
[54:10]is the granason of your prophet yes he looked towards the man
[54:16]he said to him oh man if you continue talking then you'll
[54:18]be beheaded listen to the reply that the man gave he said
[54:25]whatever you do to me i don't mind yes it's a dream
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