Why Do Shia Muslims Pray on the Turbah? Sayed Mohammad Hassan Alsheraa | Muslim Youth Connection

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[0:33]my respective brothers and sisters in sha allah everybody is doing well

[0:44]and in the best of health and circumstances tonight's discussion revolves around

[0:48]a very pertinent topic that has laced the minds of lovers of

[0:57]ahadu bait the adversaries to the followers of the bait it is

[1:02]riddled with misconception misunderstanding even conspiracy theories and that is the discussion

[1:12]which distinctively identifies the few things and attributes that distinctively identify shia

[1:19]one can guess the love of bait the tem and eulogizing morning

[1:26]you see someone that is muslim and they emphasize loving the holy

[1:29]prophet and his family in addition to mourning in their days of

[1:34]tragedy your guesses are that these are is probably very likely for

[1:41]we highly emphasize mourning the prophet of islam's passing oppression in addition

[1:46]to the atheist as well one more aspect however that distinctively identifies

[1:54]asia is the methodology of their prayer when asked how do she

[2:01]operate the quick responses is well perhaps their hands to the side

[2:04]however that's not distinct nor exclusive there are many or some groups

[2:10]from the sunni narrative like the maliki school of thought who also

[2:14]pray with their hands to their side but the one edition includes

[2:19]the turba the as it's referred to as for those who come

[2:25]from the urdu or farsi background the healing soil or dirt or

[2:31]the more or the clay tablet and a demonstration or an exhibition

[2:37]right here we see the turba this is synonymous with the lovers

[2:40]of the bait with regards to their act of worship anyone who

[2:44]prays on eturba one hundred percent is asia 100 there are no

[2:50]denominations from the non-shia school that pray on the torba there are

[2:56]no shii sects for example one may look at the isma'ili group

[3:01]or circle only the ithne in their vision and world view muslim

[3:06]praise only hence why our topic today is why do the shia

[3:12]pray on the turba it's best to address this discussion with the

[3:18]following questions in mind do we act exclusively and nothing more nor

[3:26]short of the sunnah of the holy prophet of islam that is

[3:29]to say did the holy prophet himself pray on a torba otherwise

[3:36]if he did not pray on eturba why are we doing it

[3:39]because as understood from the prophetic traditions you cannot innovate in this

[3:44]religion you cannot add or make something the holy prophet did not

[3:49]sanction did not allow did not give the green light to so

[3:54]that being said how many of us here go through our entire

[4:00]lives praying or not praying except that it's done on the torah

[4:02]saying the question is did the holy prophet do it because i

[4:08]want to justify and substantiate every one of my acts in the

[4:12]way and parallel with the holy prophet of islam this is question

[4:16]number one question number two is why is there so many allegations

[4:23]accusations misunderstandings with regards to those who use a turba for prayer

[4:28]who originated the turba of imam al-hussein and is it only the

[4:36]turba of imam hussain that we are incumbent to pray upon or

[4:40]do we have other options insha'allah let's address all this after allah

[4:44]salawat muhammadin i remember personally having visited or going to iraq to

[4:57]visit family and dusiara we had a transit in qatar and this

[5:04]is not to get political whatsoever but you know in that transit

[5:07]we stayed a couple of hours and it happened to be exactly

[5:10]salah time if i'm not mistaking i believe salazar and so they

[5:16]have prayer rooms allocated and many facilities have those to cater to

[5:20]their muslim members hospitals will have spiritual reflection rooms universities have them

[5:25]airports have them as well and so being there this is a

[5:31]predominantly not a concentrated country but this is not to get political

[5:36]the predominant demographic and qatar is not a demographic but there was

[5:41]no concern or fear we live for goodness sake in the 21st

[5:45]century these extremist thinking these very violent thoughts they shouldn't come out

[5:52]today they come out in sub splinter extremist groups but not with

[5:55]your average joe that's just trying to move on and travel so

[5:58]going to pray i remember i pulled out a turban i was

[6:01]among everyone else and of course the majority don't have a turba

[6:04]i mean i don't expect that these are non-shias so we are

[6:09]all brothers under the eyes of allah insha'allah but then i put

[6:13]the turba down and i just want to pray my salah is

[6:17]question for goodness sake it's shortened allahu akbar as soon as i

[6:20]began the prayer so when you begin to pray you're a little

[6:22]bit vulnerable you can't turn you can't change your spot we all

[6:27]know this someone came and literally kicked my torba and it went

[6:31]flying and hit the wall and broke into like a thousand pieces

[6:35]and i was stunned i could i've heard some of us may

[6:41]have heard of these stories oh you go to those locations where

[6:43]she are oppressed for example that isn't to say for example in

[6:48]that particular country this is the case but we've heard stories marginalized

[6:52]groups here and there don't get the right and i'm like yeah

[6:55]those are unfortunate stories in the back of my mind but they're

[6:57]not going to be applicable to me nope it happened right then

[7:02]and there turbo goes number one i felt so secluded i felt

[7:05]like an outsider felt like i wasn't wanted in addition to that

[7:09]i felt like okay if this weirdo who looks like a caveman

[7:13]for all for lack of better words wants to kick my turbo

[7:15]what's you going to do next that prayer of course i had

[7:18]nothing to pray i was also at that time younger and i

[7:22]stopped the salah and moved on and i thought about this why

[7:26]is there so much hate what did we do so i did

[7:31]some research i looked into it the main allegation is this brothers

[7:33]and sisters that you are doing you are worshiping besides allah when

[7:38]you pray on the torba and i thought to myself that can't

[7:43]be the default belief unfortunately it is it is the default belief

[7:47]for predominantly a majority of those muslims who come from non-shia circles

[7:53]the reason why they don't do sujood or sajdah is because they

[8:00]associate it clearly with the act of shirk you are committing polytheism

[8:03]basically allah is to be worshiped not through that you cannot bow

[8:09]down to a stone is that not tantamount to worshiping an idol

[8:13]and how much did rasool allah himself for goodness sake stress on

[8:18]removing idols don't put images to allah or using mediums you built

[8:22]with your own hand to worship allah through you can't do that

[8:27]and some of us may notice that the turba itself might have

[8:30]iconography right you might see a variety inscribed on it you could

[8:34]see a face even some will have the iconography a depiction of

[8:41]let's see one of the imams of ahu bait for example so

[8:43]from the non-shiite world that's like that is 100 shirk and that's

[8:49]why you need this to be kicked the quran stresses how bad

[8:52]sure can be in one of the sins god does not forgive

[9:01]if you perform it's a sin and allah says allah forgives every

[9:04]single sin but right here allah is not going to forgive so

[9:07]what you are doing is extremely ridiculous therefore thank you therefore deserving

[9:13]of a good kick how do we address this from a theological

[9:19]standard understanding that this is distinctively synonymous with you as a shiite

[9:25]when you think shia today lover of the turba with respect to

[9:30]their prayer is the one image the one symbol that comes to

[9:32]mind so it's worth the effort to know hey good question did

[9:37]the prophet pray on the turban if not why am i doing

[9:38]it who started it and if that's the case why isn't the

[9:44]rest of the muslim world addressing the torah the way we do

[9:49]it's not just a matter of simply let me do sujud we

[9:53]shall reverence haven't you seen we kiss the turba we honor the

[10:00]torba we hold the turba and contact it with care sometimes when

[10:04]those are ill there are those who are ill a little piece

[10:08]of that turba is taken and consumed with water like there is

[10:13]shifa and health with it does all this have a basis a

[10:17]bearing and let's not simply point at traditions from the shia world

[10:20]view i could end this discussion tonight by saying we pray on

[10:26]the turba because the bay told us so in our books the

[10:29]end of the story we're done no there has to be a

[10:33]bearing in islamic history if it's something this established we should also

[10:37]be able to find its remnants and traditions from the non-shia as

[10:44]well i'd like to do this by examining a number of books

[10:47]this is a rather theological discussion that at its core is a

[10:55]discussion of ahadith traditions narrations the prophet said something and let's look

[11:02]at books that are considered widely authentic reliable scholarly and scholastically accepted

[11:07]by all non-shia circles do we examine and see the remnants or

[11:14]the place of an existence or the existence of a turba or

[11:17]no i'd like to examine one book that has been authored by

[11:25]an individual who is considered a cornerstone islam meaning a pillar of

[11:29]a scholar from non-shii theology and non-shia circles this man goes by

[11:37]the name of ebin is a star monolith scholar from the celephistic

[11:45]worldview in the sense that what he has produced what he has

[11:50]contributed to the sunni world is something highly praised he is what

[11:56][Music] where do we begin with his introduction a man that has

[12:03]contributed so much in the shiite heritage so even jose why is

[12:06]he so predominantly well respected and admired and listened to is because

[12:11]he is the student of the very universe that has placed forth

[12:19]the wahhabi mindset a man by the name of ibn taymiyah this

[12:21]individual is very well known very well respected and honored by those

[12:26]from the non-shia ibn tamiya is a very firm figure against the

[12:33]shia and he coined a particular term although this term existed before

[12:38]him he called us those who rejected and rejected the legitimacy of

[12:43]the caliphate of the first three so he was vehemently against the

[12:50]lovers of the albeit is his student this individual has a book

[12:57]called irathetullahfan in this book he tells us did the holy prophet

[13:02]of islam pray the way we see him pray in the shia

[13:09]world view or in the sunni world view just a disclaimer this

[13:12]is in no means to become polemical polamix i am here to

[13:15]denounce or refute the opinions of our brothers and sisters from other

[13:22]schools of thought but i am showing and insha allah attempt to

[13:25]see where we find a consensus that what we are doing it

[13:30]cannot be further away from and the mother of all iranians is

[13:38]in the very texts that are considered sacred canonized texts you will

[13:43]find the remnants and the foundations of the abdullah hussein with respect

[13:54]to his prayer you will find many muslims attempting to claim that

[14:00]i pray just like the prophet prayed and so then he adds

[14:07]you will find those out there who do not pray except it's

[14:12]upon a sid what's a sajada if you want to distinguish a

[14:19]muslim and a muslim sunni tell them hey let me see you

[14:21]pray and the prayer i'm not speaking about hand placement because even

[14:26]within sunni denominations hands are different the worldview has their hands placed

[14:31]on their chests and they have their jurisprudential reasons why sheikh muhammad

[14:35]bin sal the founder says that the noor of the chest should

[14:39]not escape so hold on to it when you pray abu hanifa

[14:46]have the hands on the navel so like that belly button region

[14:49]and imam malik bin anis has the hands on the sides just

[14:52]like the shia world view so i'm not speaking about that i'm

[14:57]speaking about where the head placement is what do you do to

[15:01]judah and so ibm jose as revered as he is says you

[15:07]find those out there who do sujood on a sidjade what they

[15:11]say sajada we've seen them in their thousands of colors some of

[15:16]them have pictures of the kaaba others have pictures of better make

[15:20]this sidjar you will see those who pray on a sidjad you

[15:25]sally rasulullah and the prophet of islam never ever prayed on a

[15:34]siddha a prayer mat whatever once in his life but period there's

[15:39]no if ands or buts with considering that there were sid around

[15:46]that time carpets existed they existed way before the life of the

[15:51]holy prophet of islam or the generation of the prophet and the

[15:55]sahaba a prayer mat existed mats carpets made from cotton wool and

[15:59]silk these were around but rasool allah never ever prayed on a

[16:02]sidjar specifically rasulullah and whenever the prophet would go to pray never

[16:16]once was a sidjade opened in front of him sometimes today many

[16:21]when they stand to pray from the unanswered world i said jada

[16:26]is unraveled in front of them to go and begin their salah

[16:29]if you go to haram today if you go to masjid and

[16:32]nebu the holy prophet's mosque many non-muslims wonder i want to see

[16:40]how did their prophet muhammad pray what is their prayer obviously the

[16:43]first reflex just go look at the city where he grew up

[16:48]and how are people praying so the assumption is constantly well since

[16:51]they all pray on prayer mats that must have been how the

[16:53]prophet prayed naturally you go to the origin of things geographically because

[16:58]that probably means they are continuing the practice of what happened with

[17:05]the holy prophet and his prayer but that couldn't be further from

[17:08]the truth the prophet never once prayed on a said nor was

[17:13]a siddha prayer mat ever opened up in front of him rather

[17:24]he would pray on the ground and there were times he would

[17:32]do sujood on the mud wakana you sally and he would do

[17:39]sujud on a reed mat there's a difference between sajada and hasairah

[17:46]100 of the time is made from cotton this is what sijada

[17:52]means jurisprudentially when reading books of traditions is a reed mat made

[17:58]from stalks of plants or reeds the common principle is what we

[18:07]are observing it is something that is never wearable sejada is made

[18:12]from cotton sometimes silk sometimes let's say today polyester these things i

[18:16]can wear we have clothes that are made of the same material

[18:19]rasulullah we notice never prayed on something that can be worn nor

[18:27]did the holy prophet pray on anything that can be consumed this

[18:33]principle hits a prophetic maxim what is this maxim the prophet said

[18:38][Music] pray just like how you saw me pray ya rasulullah i've

[18:45]never seen you pray on a sidjar according to the words of

[18:51]the most prominent non-chie scholar with respect to the celethic mind view

[18:55]nor did you ever use anything that was consumable in our traditions

[19:01]from the school of athletes our imams contribute so much in helping

[19:05]us understand what we can do do sujud on imam says you

[19:13]can't do sujud on a number of things you do everything but

[19:16]not a few things number one that which can be consumed you

[19:20]can't do sujud on leaves that you can eat edible leaves whatever

[19:24]sometimes there were farmers back then who would graze their land and

[19:29]they would grow edible leaves let's say a plant where its leaves

[19:35]were edible come the time of prayer they would do so judah

[19:36]on this because it was an easy mat to do sujud on

[19:39]base say you can't do sujud on that which you can eat

[19:42]nor that which you can wear so no cotton nor silk imam

[19:48]asada adds two more things in addition to he says specific elements

[19:54]of the earth such as what he specifies particularly gold and silver

[20:02]you can't do sujud on gold and silver so that gold torba

[20:06]you have stopped doing sajuda on it i don't imagine there is

[20:08]such a thing but you can't do sujud on gold or silver

[20:12]they asked him why why not these things doesn't make it's pretty

[20:16]interesting but why something you can't eat something you can't wear and

[20:19]gold and silver seems rather bizarre or random he says because these

[20:26]things are ali these are the gods of the slaves of the

[20:33]dunya of this world what do you mean an exposition number one

[20:39]how many people worship that which they eat and that which they

[20:45]wear look at the two biggest industries in the planet the food

[20:49]industry and the clothing industry people are willing to spend 500 on

[20:54]a steak that has laced with gold my goodness sake the gold

[20:59]doesn't have any flavor just because it has gold right it looks

[21:01]pretty cool four hundred dollars go and in a matter of like

[21:05]three five minutes a steak that's five hundred dollars like for goodness

[21:11]sake there were no other options i swear your mother's cooking is

[21:13]the best you could have just gone and had that a steak

[21:17]for five hundred dollars that's rather bizarre ali had to abide and

[21:20]of course where do i need to begin with the fashion industry

[21:24]i i think there was a a sandal pardon my examples here

[21:28]there was a sandal made by kanye west it's just white i

[21:34]saw it it's just white and the toes stick out so there's

[21:37]nothing special with it does someone know what i'm talking about like

[21:41]you guys are shaking your heads how much is it i couldn't

[21:43]believe it when they told me the price so literally picture this

[21:47]it's like any other sandal you will find randomly on the street

[21:51]in arak 500 i literally can find that here here when we

[21:56]go to bastard inshallah i'll find it on the street right on

[22:00]the floor it's plan does it walk itself no it's because the

[22:03]brand names are slapped on it these things are the gods of

[22:11]the slaves of this dunya and of course silver and gold how

[22:14]many people worship the silver and worship the gold in the words

[22:19]of the wise amir al-mu'min alaihissalam there are people dino whom the

[22:23]their deen is their dinar how they worship these things as a

[22:28]result imam sadaq said these things are haram to do sujud josiah

[22:34]proceeds with a description emphasizing how much rasool despised the act and

[22:42]discouraged doing sujood on a sidjade he would continue and add sallallahu

[22:50]alaihi wa'ala he was the prophet of islam would do prayer on

[22:59]the hasirah we mentioned this was a reed mat so you get

[23:07]like a dry stalks from plants especially those in the arabian peninsula

[23:11]that would grow near rivers and banks of water you find stocks

[23:14]grow these things when they dry up you can make them and

[23:19]weave them into baskets or you can make them into little mats

[23:22]the prophet would do sujud or salah on these prayer mats made

[23:28]from reeds called a hasirah one day the prophet did so much

[23:31]prayer on this haseerah it turned black from color it would stain

[23:35]black from dirt from color and so what happened they cleaned it

[23:44]with water rasulullah made sure that this was done was then the

[23:53]prophet prayed on it and never when it was dirty for example

[23:59]or darkened sometimes when we do sujood on the turban for some

[24:01]time you see there's like a darker spot forming from the oils

[24:03]from say even dirt so on the prophet saw this happening to

[24:11]the this reed prayer mat he had and he had it washed

[24:15]with water but an easier alternative would be instead of scrubbing and

[24:19]washing it just put up you know a little carpet over it

[24:23]or put like a blanket over it but this interpretation is saying

[24:29]that never walem you they didn't ever put on top of it

[24:35]they saw it getting dirty instead of just putting something on top

[24:38]of it clean it how much rasulullah discouraged praying on top of

[24:42]carpet on top of prayer mats and he would often prey on

[24:52]dirt sometimes and on pebbles until you would notice the staining and

[25:11]marking upon his blessed forehead and on his nose from how much

[25:18]he emphasized doing sujud on the earth the natural earth not something

[25:22]designed and made into a carpet through cotton or material that can

[25:29]be worn this is why in islamic law and basically it must

[25:35]have to have the nose also get in contact with the turba

[25:39]because rasulullah whenever he would lift his head they would always notice

[25:43]the stains of some of that earth on his blessed forehead or

[25:48]on his blessed nose so some have said as for the forehead

[25:52]it's must have to have that contact of the earth and as

[25:56]for the nose it's wider for the forehead rather but as for

[25:59]the nose it's musab because we saw the holy prophet of islam

[26:06]sallallahu alaihi walusalam raising his head and you would always see those

[26:12]marks on those spots we had mentioned the legitimacy of this particular

[26:17]scholar eben claimed jose in that he stems his authority and knowledge

[26:22]his scholarly effort from being a disciple of ibn tamiya the salafi

[26:27]founder the movement of wahhabism inspired by muhammad by muhammad bin abdul

[26:36]wahab inspired by ebintamia you could say muhammad abdul wahab is a

[26:41]distant disciple of ibn tamiya ibn tamiya is a 15th century scholar

[26:46]even abdul wahab came you know later on in like say the

[26:51]19th century but he was so influenced by his firmness towards all

[26:55]those that contradicted his world view it's either my way or the

[27:00]highway mindset ebentamia mentions now we're talking about the teacher here so

[27:06]what he's going to say is considered very paramount ibn tamiya mentions

[27:10]in his majmu fatawa which is a compendium of fatwas that he

[27:15]issued he was a mufti in surya and he issued a lot

[27:21]of decrees in it he mentions one thing a story concerning a

[27:25]a man that they refer to as a taba tabe which is

[27:30]not a sahabi of the prophet we have categories of people that

[27:36]are labeled the sahaba those who saw and met the prophet the

[27:38]prophet was in their life the tabi on those who never saw

[27:45]the prophet but saw the sahada an example is the likes of

[27:47]hasan al-basri for example and in the non-shia world imam zainul abedin

[27:55]is considered a tabe because he met the sahaba you could say

[27:59]jabbar bin abdullah ansari for example or even imam al-baqara they would

[28:04]consider them tabes yet they take and they follow the sahaba who

[28:08]saw allah then there's a third group they are referred to as

[28:15]the tabata they follow those who follow the sahaba so there was

[28:17]a man known as abdul rahman bin mehdi again ibn tamiya mentions

[28:22]this in his fatah he says this guy's a learned individual he's

[28:29]not just anyone and in medina as we mentioned like that third

[28:37]category of people close to the prophet of islam he goes to

[28:41]the masjid of rasulallah and he takes a prayer mat with him

[28:44]and he opens the prayer mat and he starts doing salah on

[28:50]the prayer mat the masjid before this prayer mat was there it

[28:54]was all sad and just coarse earth he opens this and he

[29:00]starts doing salah allahu akbar who was there to witness this act

[29:04]malik bin anas the imam of the maliki school of thought we

[29:10]had mentioned malik binenes famously has the opinion you put your hands

[29:14]to the side of prayer and he witnessed abdul rahman bin mahdi

[29:19]open asidjada and pray this is the first time is open in

[29:23]the message of rasulullah and so what does malik bananas do knowing

[29:27]that never once did a sajadah enter the masjid nor did rasulullah

[29:33]ever pray on the sajadeh he looked at him and he said

[29:35]arrest him jail okay slow down why arrest the man because he

[29:42]had done an innovation in the mosque of the prophet he created

[29:46]a bid arrest him because malik bananas was a ali a judge

[29:55]administered by al-mansour at the time the khalifa and so he had

[29:58]judicial power and so he saw abdul rahman he's like what does

[30:04]that man think he's doing he's praying with us not on my

[30:08]watch rasulullah never did that put him in jail they said it's

[30:12]that famous well-known generous man atabatabe respected and revered he's like who

[30:19]cares he innovated put him in jail i have a question i

[30:22]can't help but ask if a person who prays on a prayer

[30:27]mat goes to jail a three-fourths of the muslim word what are

[30:31]they doing i'm not advocating anything but i am looking at narrations

[30:36]and traditions in sources that i couldn't care less with respect to

[30:40]how they affect my life as a shii because i have my

[30:44]own sources we have the works from the ahlulbayt for we hold

[30:46]that we held on to the quran and the bait has made

[30:50]very very clear but if i was to play the game and

[30:54]if i was to consider things all the way and i don't

[30:58]consider things halfway i consider all the way let me understand your

[31:02]narrative it looks like we're in trouble if we pray on a

[31:05]prayer mat in this situation if the legal edict is to put

[31:10]people in jail now as shia we should never ever enforce our

[31:13]opinions on anyone the sad reality is many enforce their opinions on

[31:17]shia the example provided earlier you can have your turba kicked around

[31:21]but how much do we see brothers and sisters from the non-shia

[31:28]world comfortably and relaxingly praying here without a turba well respected honored

[31:32]and revered we don't do anything to that we welcome those from

[31:37]the non-shia world in fact we are happy to see those who

[31:39]are non-shia our sunni brothers and sisters praying in our mosques i

[31:47]invite that we should encourage that we should love for that to

[31:50]happen no more disunity in this regard for goodness sake we are

[31:52]all muslims following allah but can you say the same in a

[31:59]predominantly non-shia environment for shia praying the way they want can they

[32:03]be comfortable sometimes these are questions we have to be asking at

[32:08]times in any case considering all of this the prophet never prayed

[32:12]on the sid what did he pray on i want to know

[32:16]was it the turba otherwise if the prophet never did why am

[32:19]i bothering praying on a turba from karbala because if the problem

[32:24]is innovation and we can't innovate in islam is this an innovation

[32:27]let's examine the following rasulullah we made it very clear prayed on

[32:32]earth and he is the one that said the following narration which

[32:37]is bipartisan unanimous accepted by every school of latin ju the earth

[32:46]has been made for me a place of prostration not miss jiden

[32:51]with a kasra mess jeden with a is this holy place masjid

[33:01]we worship allah in it a mosque basically masjed an area for

[33:06]your sujud for the masjid of the forehead to be placed on

[33:09]the floor rasulullah said the earth has been made from me a

[33:15]place where i can prostrate my blessed head on and a form

[33:20]of purity we take the dirt in the absence of water we

[33:25]don't we can't do ablution basically and we can use that dirt

[33:30]to do what is called tayammum because that dirt is a form

[33:34]of purification for us so number one earth this is accepted by

[33:38]every muslim in the world today no matter your madhab rasool allah

[33:41]prayed on the earth what are we doing when we pray on

[33:44]the torah in that case this is sanctioned from rasulullah number two

[33:49]rasulullah prayed on we described it earlier is a reed mat made

[33:56]from stalks made from dried up for example branches a reed mat

[34:02]see if you look at baskets that are hand woven usually that

[34:04]material is what is used when a hasira was made in the

[34:09]7th century arabian peninsula so basically i said jada using dried up

[34:12]wreaths then he prayed on something known as al-humrah these are all

[34:18]well documented what is a homura a homura is simply the palm

[34:24]spade so basically a palm tree sometimes you see the chunks of

[34:30]the palm tree the levels of the palm tree those if you

[34:33]can rip one out don't do that because you'll hurt the tree

[34:37]say like a dried up dead palm tree they are very like

[34:39]square and they look like canvases back then they would write the

[34:42]quran on these because paper is hard to come by so they

[34:47]would take whatever they can that had a large surface area and

[34:49]so they would take from these sometimes these are basically like smaller

[34:52]prayer mats for them and they would pray on them they called

[34:57]them al homura so rasulullah also prayed on something called al hasa

[35:04]or al-hasbah what's a hasba or al-hasah pebbles stones rocks the narration

[35:13]is found in sunan abidawud the following tradition is considered sahih in

[35:19]the famous islam who again non-shia material here abu dhabi his famous

[35:26]sunnah that ibn omar the son of um had multiple sons the

[35:32]second caliph he had away the lab and he had abdullah abdullah

[35:38]is considered a scholar in their world view and so ibn um

[35:42]the tradition doesn't specify who but it's likely abdullah bin umar because

[35:44]he is the one that usually gives out traditions he's the muhaddith

[35:47]here he's a a guy that narrates a lot of traditions he

[35:52]is asked a question when did the message of rasulullah the ground

[35:58]of it become this indicates to us that a time and period

[36:06]the masjid of the holy prophet of islam went through phases the

[36:09]earth was all regular sand or just simply coarse dirt later on

[36:14]it became like rocks and pebbles later on they would scatter rocks

[36:19]and pebbles asked when did the rocks and pebble situation happen when

[36:23]did the mess of rasulullah convert to that the floor of which

[36:26]he said one day it rained on us so hard the ceiling

[36:33]is made from palm tree branches and leaves and so when it

[36:37]rains water can go through it rains so bad that the floor

[36:42]because it's just open course dirt we didn't open mats on it

[36:45]or rugs even though these things were around but rasulullah discouraged it

[36:49]the earth became muddy and it was time for prayer and we

[36:56]couldn't simply pray on water it was really bad the mud and

[36:58]dirt and all that water made it very difficult for us to

[37:04]pray and do sujud right on it so we decided to collect

[37:08]observe the following brothers and sisters collect rocks and put them in

[37:12]our hands like this a hasba or a hasa are can not

[37:20]consider granule size like sand for example no that's rumble basically that's

[37:26]sand or hasa they're considered larger have you seen sometimes the stones

[37:33]if you've ever insha allah gone to hajj or will go to

[37:34]in the event of jamarat where they cast the stones on the

[37:39]three shaitaan towers or walls you have to collect something larger than

[37:43]a pebble but not too big there are specific dimensions for this

[37:46]they would take those and they would hold on to them in

[37:50]their hands when we would do sujud ibn umar mentions right before

[37:52]we hit the floor with our forehead we will place the rock

[37:57]and do sujood right on it literally like this when we finished

[38:01]we saw rasulullah by us at us and we're thinking oh did

[38:06]we do something wrong is this we've never done this before nor

[38:09]did we see rasulullah necessarily do it what is he going to

[38:15]say rasulullah looked at us and he said what a great act

[38:20]this was you thought you were innovative you improvised you did something

[38:26]good because you maintained the conditions that is not something you can

[38:30]eat nor was it something you can wear nor is it gold

[38:32]nor is it silver and you could not do sujud on very

[38:38]you know viscous mud even though allah at times reduce to judah

[38:42]on the earth as we mentioned and that would stain and mark

[38:44]his forehead but not like when the water is so much mixing

[38:48]with the mud to the point where you're like almost ankle deep

[38:51]in it so what you did was you took a stone and

[38:55]you held on to it brilliant idea right before you did you

[39:00]put it down you just subdued on it this is in sunnah

[39:05]dawood and the hadith is narrated by eben in that situation this

[39:08]is well accepted and the tradition is authenticated and reliable i have

[39:15]to ask this is a part two of me can't help but

[39:18]ask what's the difference between that and this in this situation what's

[39:21]the difference the source of origin that probably was the arabian peninsula

[39:29]what's the big deal in that situation sometimes there are people who

[39:34]have spite and they hate the fact they see the amazing unity

[39:39]with the shia in this area here the sujud and sajdah on

[39:43]the turba of karbala and so anything that relates and is synonymous

[39:47]with the shia our worldview we have to hit it even though

[39:52]our traditions are laced with countless plethora amount indicating traditions indicating that

[39:59]that is totally sanctioned and accepted okay then the question begs itself

[40:05]answer me did rasool allah pray on the torah of karbala or

[40:11]no who was the first to introduce the torba if you tell

[40:14]me anyone after rasulullah it's bidah it has to be the prophet

[40:18]who was the first does anyone have any ideas who was the

[40:21]first person to introduce the turba abba abdullah and now today we

[40:26]famously do sujud on it every day who who introduced it where

[40:29]did it come from a response is that ladies any other ideas

[40:38]maybe that's an interesting response yes say that again good response as

[41:00]well some have said imam zain al-abidin because remembering the tragedy of

[41:02]karbala that imam would take from that dirt and he would go

[41:07]and pray on it the first these are all very accurate answers

[41:14]the very first to introduce the turba of imam al-hussein to man

[41:20]and moving kind of we should know is allah through to rasulullah

[41:30]said to the holy prophet islam in a number of narrations i

[41:35]would like to present to you these narrations in sha'a ta'ala in

[41:39]a particular order the first narration rasool allah introduced the total of

[41:43]imam hussein that we should accept as fact it's found in musnad

[41:49]ahmed bin hambal ahmad bin hambal is the imam of the hanbali

[41:53]a school of thought ahmed bin hambel of course every predominantly selfie

[41:59]a group or individual takes him as the jewish prudential imam for

[42:05]them as we know there are four medhabs or groups for modern

[42:09]sunni islam today the military the shafe the hanbali and the hanafi

[42:13]ahmed bin hambel ibn tamiya was a follower of his he was

[42:18]his imam and virtually every wahhabi and salafi today so because ahmed

[42:24]bin hambal is considered in their mindset an orthodox narrative of islam

[42:30]abu hanifa included logic and rationale and philosophizing and so he thought

[42:35]to himself that that's not really core to islam and another name

[42:39]for ahmed bin hambel's group was called ahlul hadith we only follow

[42:43]what's there and i have to give credit where credit is due

[42:48]that logic is good we have to follow what's there if a

[42:50]hadith is there to sanction something i want it if it's not

[42:54]then let me reconsider so the means and the understanding on the

[42:58]logic is sound ahmed bin hambel has a work a collection called

[43:03]his musnad his compendium of narrations in it he records to us

[43:08]the following narration also this narration he adds at the very end

[43:12]in the subtext that this narration is authentic and the men that

[43:20]narrate the narration in the chain of transmitters or the chain of

[43:24]narrator narrators are all reliable the following rasool allah says and he

[43:33]is informing um the wife of the prophet um is telling us

[43:39]the following today an angel entered my house the first time i

[43:57]have ever seen this angel before and never has this angel entered

[44:02]my house before again the narration is in non-shia material and is

[44:06]considered sahih in their own standards this angel has never entered my

[44:13]house before meaning the situation is extremely significant if allah is dispatching

[44:17]a particular special angel lem your son hussein is slaughtered will be

[44:35]slaughtered how old was imam hussain rasulullah left this world seven years

[44:40]old and so rasulullah is being informed of what knowledge of the

[44:47]unseen at this situation and if you desire i can bring to

[45:00]you from the earth the earth of which he will die upon

[45:03]yukt and he pulled out a turba right here a turba hamra

[45:14]red in color he grabbed for me the earth of karbala and

[45:21]it was red in color but he gave it to me after

[45:25]he asked me the question if you want meaning rasulullah approved give

[45:29]me it i want to see the earth my beloved son abba

[45:31]abdullah will be killed on he grabbed for him this earth and

[45:36]it was red in color rasulullah makes mention the second narration is

[45:41]found in a work known as the editions the additional ahadith for

[45:51]the books muslim and bukhari these are two canonized most reliable and

[46:00]authentic texts from the non-shia world view these are considered all authentic

[46:05]every hadith that's inside the compiler of this book he what he

[46:12]does in this effort is he gets a hadith that were not

[46:16]added to muslim and bukhari but use the same methodology he's like

[46:20]technically they should be added because they're the same narrators they're the

[46:25]same reliability standards why didn't either muhammad bin isma'il or muslim add

[46:34]these inside the their works i don't know maybe they missed them

[46:39]but these are considered sahih in their standards al mustadrak the following

[46:44]hadith one day um enters upon rasulullah she sees him struggling in

[46:50]his sleep then she sees him wake up very hesitant and stressed

[46:55]then she sees him go back to sleep she sees them wake

[47:00]up hesitant and stressed like you know there are times you wake

[47:03]up from a bad dream you immediately start waking up panting as

[47:06]if you were just running a mile and you're sweating your heart

[47:10]rate is up you're tired she said this is the second time

[47:14]i saw him do this and i spanned him just a few

[47:15]minutes then i decided to leave him maybe he needs his privacy

[47:20]and maybe he'll be comfortable if he has his privacy and that

[47:25]will give him some sleep and rest i left i came back

[47:29]and i saw him awake but this time holding a container a

[47:32]jar the narration calls it basically a vessel inside it was earth

[47:38]was dirt was soil basically and i asked him what's this rasulullah

[47:46]said informed me in a dream the dreams of the prophets are

[47:49]revelation not like ours sometimes they're nonsensical but we like to make

[47:53]you know a whole story about our dream as if it was

[47:57]allah ordained and sent me a message but 99 of times it's

[48:01]usually nonsensical but the dreams of the prophets are legitimate messages and

[48:04]signs and so he said i saw jibra'il jibrai told me ya

[48:10]rasool allah your son hussain will be killed by your own ummah

[48:14]in the land known as karbala rasulullah then demanded give me from

[48:20]the land of karbala and so rasulullah is received this collection of

[48:26]dirt sand of soil from karbala and he has a place in

[48:30]a container rasulullah um narrates with her own two eyes this is

[48:35]the wife of the prophet she says i see him kissing it

[48:38]haven't you seen some people what do they do with the turtle

[48:42]but sometimes when they finish their salah when they complete their salah

[48:45]when they drop the turba when they mishandle it by accident i'm

[48:48]not kidding i see some guys i see guys not girls guys

[48:53]who take a turban they start tossing it around like this or

[48:56]rolling it or when they go to put it back they throw

[49:00]it back hold on this is a total bar rasulullah honored it

[49:03]for goodness sake i haven't seen this from the sister side so

[49:06]i got to give credit where credit is due but from the

[49:09]guys yeah and it's usually the younger guys hanging out throwing them

[49:13]around as if it's just yeah i use you for my service

[49:18]this was honored by rasulullah she says with my own two eyes

[49:20]i saw him kissing it now i need to bring an observation

[49:25]very quickly did imam hussain die in karbala during this time he

[49:29]wasn't dead we just said rasulullah died in the eleventh year after

[49:36]hijrah abba abdullah was seven years old dies or is martyred rather

[49:40]in the 61st year after hijrah years after karbala 51 years uh

[49:47]years after rasool allah 51 years after rasulullah has left this world

[49:50]but before imam hussain is killed in karbala allah has already honored

[49:55]karbala for his sake if karbala is honored and revered because abba

[50:03]abdullah will be killed on it then how much should we honor

[50:09]it after abba abdullah is killed on it and buried with it

[50:12]among his entire companions and group of family members how much how

[50:16]special is karbala in that situation and you blame us for doing

[50:18]sujud just said sujood on the earth of karbala or blame us

[50:23]for kissing the earth of karbala when kissing and expressing love to

[50:31]a container with earth from karbala before abba abdullah is killed in

[50:35]the land of karbala this is another indication another story another hadith

[50:40]where rasulullah is showing us i'm going to introduce you the the

[50:46]sanctity of karbala i will introduce it to you not anyone else

[50:51]rasulullah this hadith is also found in muslid again when i reference

[50:57]this source it's for purposes of showing the irony of all ironies

[51:03]that in the most reliable and considered and canonized texts you can

[51:08]find our teachings and practices in your own material let alone our

[51:14]material the following narration is narrated by a man by the name

[51:18]of abdullah bin nujay abdullah nanuje his father goes by the name

[51:24]of new jay was a companion with imam alibn and he is

[51:29]traveling with imam amira mu'mineen to go to safein to combat muawiyah

[51:33]sofian so the scene is set nujay goes with imam ali of

[51:45]course but the tradition says may god be pleased with him indeed

[51:49]but the more honorary or honorable manner to honorable me is but

[51:55]this is the narration here um [Music] they're on their way to

[52:05]suffering which is in modern day surya and imam amir mu'mineen is

[52:10]in kufa that's where his capital is they make their way to

[52:14]nainoa what is nainoa the province in which karbala is at right

[52:18]shabbat the province in which karbala is on you got cities and

[52:24]you got provinces okay like i say wayne county the city of

[52:26]dearborn heights for example okay nainoa is the big province karbala is

[52:33]a city a region in it when they made it to karbala

[52:38]or nanawa to be specific began to pronounce loudly this hadith brothers

[52:48]and sisters unfortunately in all our years of majalis i've only heard

[52:52]it narrated twice maybe three times but it's such a heartbreaking hadith

[52:57]with respect to the events of karbala found in material of the

[53:01]non-shia i don't know why we're not hearing more of this hadith

[53:06]because watch imam ali begins to mourn imam hussain before imam abba

[53:10]abdullah is even martyred fenada by the banks of the euphrates imam

[53:30]hussain is with him but he's not in this particular gathering he's

[53:34]just in his mind his in his in his memory so nu

[53:40]jay he goes by the name of nuje bin salama is like

[53:42]what who who are you talking about who are you referring to

[53:48]but who are you referring to abdullah because i'm not abba abdullah

[53:51]it's just me and you together is just these terms have patience

[54:01]abu abdullah have patience abu abdullah by the banks of the euphrates

[54:04]so nujay says to amir meaning what are you talking about i

[54:22]entered upon the holy prophet of islam peace and blessings be upon

[54:29]him and his blessed progeny that you mean one day and his

[54:37]eyes are pouring tears crying did someone make you angry does someone

[54:47]displease you ma no what is the reason your eyes are pouring

[54:54]taffy of brothers and sisters means to pour to have almost a

[55:02]waterfall-esque description of crying and mourning lamenting crying to a high degree

[55:09]why are your eyes crying in such a manner has just left

[55:20]from me a few moments ago and he informed me that my

[55:30]beloved son hussein will be killed by the furad banks notice what

[55:34]did he say not in nainoa not in karbala why does rasulullah

[55:38]specify for my brothers over here in this left side right here

[55:44]why does rasulullah specify that abba abdullah will be killed by the

[55:48]banks of the euphrates earlier it was a whole province why banks

[55:52]of euphrates he's heartbroken from now he dies thirsty by the river

[55:57]bishop that's it i am saddened he will be killed by the

[56:02]banks of the euphrates river he could have said the region he

[56:05]said a river and how much does this weigh heavy on the

[56:09]heart of rasulullah that he is thirsty and he dies by the

[56:14]biggest source of water shabbat do you desire that i give you

[56:33]the turba of that land he will be killed on to do

[56:35]what to smell it just smell it hadith is authentic reliable we

[56:42]accept this hadith too even though it's found in other narrations because

[56:45]it's synonymous with our traditions as well the purpose is to do

[56:53]what just smell it do you want me jibril is saying i'll

[56:54]give it to you you just do you want to smell it

[56:56]rasulullah i said yes give me that honor to smell the land

[57:04]where hussein will be killed on the table so i extended my

[57:17]hand he gave it to me i began to smell that blessed

[57:22]smell of karbala and i couldn't help my eyes they began to

[57:25]cry and pour in poor tears remembering my beloved son abba abdullah

[57:29]hussain for goodness sake he wasn't killed yet he's still running around

[57:35]playful a young five-year-old later on 6 then 7 then rasulullah leaves

[57:42]this world and departs from hussein but he's mourning already the first

[57:47]to mourn imam hussain rasulullah the first to cry for abba abdullah

[57:53]or the heavens rasulullah from his family and every other prophet of

[58:00]allah the tradition is considered hasan the chain of narrators is accepted

[58:08]and the men that narrate this hadith they're all reliable this is

[58:12]not a lie of a hadith it's accepted then where did the

[58:18]torba come from specifically praying on the turba imam on their way

[58:29]back from going back to medina not going to sham they're heading

[58:33]back home now they make a detour to karbala takes from the

[58:41]land of karbala and takes it back with him to medina whenever

[58:44]he wanted to pray he would collect it in a mat he

[58:50]would open up the mat and he would do sujud right on

[58:53]that for the rest of his life he would only pray on

[58:56]the earth of karbala a day lemmy a companion of imam assad

[59:02]islam would say khan would never do sujud except if it was

[59:15]only on the torba of imam and for goodness sake rasulullah honoring

[59:30]revering taking care of kissing smelling showing great love towards the turba

[59:42]of karbala who am i not to do so as a lover

[59:43]of abba abdullah brothers and sisters brought us islam the sacrifices done

[59:50]on top of this turba saved islam the message of islam today

[59:56]would cease to exist had it not been for the contributions of

[60:01]the man buried in this turba can't help when i see myself

[60:05]pondering these thoughts and then go ahead and kissing that turba in

[60:10]karbala and we can't wait for the day that allah unites us

[60:14]with our beloved karbala gathering us in that jannatul the heaven of

[60:21]god on earth is indeed the land of karbala if honored years

[60:28]before the events of karbala how honorable and significant this land is

[60:33]after the greatest sacrifices in man and womankind i conclude with the

[60:38]following narration this narration is found in sahih bukhari one day rasulullah

[60:42]took his army they were heading north of medina they headed north

[60:46]probably to the land of tabuk tabuk was where the battle didn't

[60:54]happen there was no war but they began marching there and the

[60:57]byzantium empire retracted so but on their way they made it to

[61:02]the land of the mood you know the famous story of saleh

[61:04]and the she camel in the holy quran rasulullah made it to

[61:11]that land he got there and so the men who were with

[61:13]him were tired and exhausted and they were thirsty and so they

[61:19]began to fill their pels with water they found a bank of

[61:23]water like a collection a well pretty much natural well and they

[61:26]began to fill their pells and buckets with water and they began

[61:29]to drink rasulullah said to them in the land of the mood

[61:33]he said to them don't drink from this water cast that water

[61:37]back but there is a natural well right next to this body

[61:43]of water drink from that one instead the yara it's literally right

[61:46]next to it it's literally the same water why this one but

[61:50]not that one it's literally the same source of water and it

[61:54]took us a good effort to fill these pells with water so

[61:56]you want us to throw them all back and then just go

[62:00]take from the one next to it is that not a waste

[62:04]of time rasulullah said because the reason is this one this body

[62:07]of water has no spiritual significance and i want you guys to

[62:13]have barakah the wa body of water right next to it observe

[62:16]the following the she camel of saleh over 2 000 years ago

[62:23]drank from it and so i want from you to drink from

[62:29]the same body of water that a camel that belonged to the

[62:33]prophet saleh what's its description it's an ayah from the ayat of

[62:42]allah i want you to drink water from the body of water

[62:44]or an ayah from the ayat of allah a sign from the

[62:48]signs of allah drink water from so throw all that water away

[62:52]it's worth it for this i ask the following question if a

[62:56]body of water is blessed because a she camel that is called

[63:01]the ayah a sign from allah drank from it then what about

[63:06]the biggest ayah of allah ayatullah the greatest sign of allah abdullah

[63:12]hussain that had the land of karbala drink from his blood what

[63:17]a significant land that would be if this area in thamud is

[63:20]blessed because a ayah from allah the camel of salah had drank

[63:25]from it and we should also drink from it as such then

[63:27]what about the land that drink the blood of the biggest ayah

[63:32]of allah abba abdullah hussain what can i even say to begin

[63:35]understanding and fathoming the significance and the sanctity of such a land

[63:41]no surprise also allah would honor it before the events happen no

[63:45]surprise rasulullah would make and ensure that it's sanctified and respected from

[63:51]now and no surprise that we favor doing sujood on this land

[63:56]and inshallah to allah we will always do sujud on that land

[63:59]it is an honor to do so may allah bless us in

[64:03]this regard and god willing this discussion can be laid to rest

[64:07]and this misconception can be addressed by the wonderful brothers and sisters

[64:12]who hopefully now can provide a response and we're always able to

[64:19]defend and respond on the holy significance of the turbo of abba

[64:23]abdullah hussain wassalamu my dear respected brothers and sisters i'm not too

[64:29]aware if we can maybe i don't know spare time as if

[64:31]there's a need or request for q a please feel free to

[64:36]go ahead and i don't know ask if there's any one interested

[64:41]otherwise we could just wrap it up let's commence after allah

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Why Do Shia Muslims Pray on the Turbah? Sayed Mohammad Hassan Alsheraa | Muslim Youth Connection

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