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Shia Oppression Past & Present: Fadak to Parachinar | Sayed Ammar Nakshawani
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Shia Oppression Past & Present: Fadak to Parachinar | Sayed Ammar Nakshawani
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[0:00]all [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] hey hey [Music] hey [Music] hey oh
[1:35][Music] alhamdulillah muhamd alhamd [Music] the first of our loud salawat in
[3:09]honor ofuh a second even louder in hon of the third with
[3:28]your loudest voices in honor of the Imam of our time respected
[3:38]Scholars brothers and sisters from fed to parachinar the genocide continues and
[3:50]the attacks continue and the killings continue against those who lovei inde
[4:01]you find that what's happened in the past week has caused shock
[4:04]waves in a number of parts of the Muslim World maybe not
[4:07]enough the reality is that while some of us are recording this
[4:14]and broadcasting this and sending this message in the media there are
[4:18]still many media Outlets that have not mentioned what's happening in that
[4:22]part of Pakistan very rarely do you see on some of the
[4:28]most famous outlets in the Western World a mention being made made
[4:32]for example of Pisha for example of parachinar for example of qua
[4:36]for example that whole Northwestern region hardly ever do you see any
[4:41]concern being shown and that may be partly a bias that exists
[4:47]in the media or that may also be partly because we're not
[4:49]active enough in the media and that discussion will come to shortly
[4:54]but the reality is that when you look around it's an embarrassing
[4:58]situation for the religion of Islam forget making this a Sunni issue
[5:04]rather it's an embarrassing situation for Islam that when a person says
[5:11]that they believe in and they say that then it's embarrassing when
[5:24]a non-muslim Witnesses us with all our different denominations and our sects
[5:27]ready to fight each other ready to kill each each other ready
[5:32]to oppress one another indeed you find therefore that this particular issue
[5:37]not only is it an embarrassment for Muslims but you find that
[5:41]where Muslims are being attacked by oppressors in other parts of the
[5:46]world the last thing we need is for Muslims to fight one
[5:48]another the reality is that when you are the victims of genocide
[5:53]in parts of the Middle East you suddenly find that those people
[5:58]who will never be there on the front Lin to defend Muslims
[6:01]in these areas they only show their bravery against other Muslims they
[6:05]only are ready to attack other Muslims therefore there is a need
[6:11]for all of us to speak on this issue there is a
[6:13]need for all of us to understand this issue understand the background
[6:18]of this issue if I come to the average person in a
[6:21]number of households of those who claim to love Muhammad and Al
[6:23]Muhammad and ask them tell me about the demographic of the Shia
[6:28]in Pakistan you'll find that there are many who don't know anything
[6:31]about that demographic they don't know anything about the history of the
[6:36]people there about what these people have faced about even that area
[6:39]if you show someone the map of Pakistan and say where is
[6:42]parachinar on this map where is the kurum agency where is for
[6:47]example and all that area many of us are oblivious to this
[6:52]we might show you on a map of Iraq where is Naf
[6:57]where is carala if you show me a map of Lebanon I
[7:01]might show you the southern area if you show me a map
[7:04]of Syria I might even show you Damascus and the Zam area
[7:08]if you show me Saudi Arabia I might show you Mecca and
[7:11]Medina but it's as if there are some whose concern when there
[7:16]is genocide and these areas is loud but when it comes to
[7:19]a Pakistani or it comes to any other of the followers of
[7:24]ah all of a sudden it changes to I'm not really sure
[7:28]how much I can relate to this issue the different types of
[7:30]movements we see exist within Humanity when it comes to speaking out
[7:37]against such moments what are the different groups of people one group
[7:40]of people are those who speak out whenever they see oppression anywhere
[7:44]they follow the guidelines of IM Ali oppose the oppressor and support
[7:50]the oppressed they are those people be they in their sex Sunni
[7:54]or Shia when they see any human being who's being oppressed if
[7:58]I see now someone who's not Muslim he's a Christian begging in
[8:03]the street then I will feel for that person that why can
[8:05]the Muslim Community not help that person that's the first type of
[8:08]person you'll see if they are non-muslim they care about any human
[8:13]being who's suffering if they are Muslim they care about any human
[8:17]being who's suffering they are not selective if I see someone in
[8:20]Sudan suffering I'll speak someone in Congo suffering I'll speak someone who's
[8:24]my neighbor in London I'll speak anywhere where there is the first
[8:32]group of people are those who don't let their sectarian bias get
[8:35]in their way when they see they say that look no one
[8:39]wants to see woman and children being tortured being displaced Without Shelter
[8:44]without care the second group of people are those who for example
[8:47]will care about their sect if their sect people are being affected
[8:51]only you may find someone who is a member of the Sunni
[8:57]Muslim Community if someone in Palestine is being hurt they're the most
[9:01]out spoken you tell them that there's someone who's Shia in Pakistan
[9:03]who is a human by the way just in case we forgot
[9:07]if you tell them that this person is being oppressed you won't
[9:10]see on their social media anything about the Shia being killed they'll
[9:15]say maybe I didn't know about it you don't know about it
[9:20]because your main concern is only who of your sect gets hurt
[9:23]a sh gets killed no I don't really need to mention anything
[9:29]but that's not just someone in the Sunni Community maybe someone also
[9:32]in the Shia Community you might find someone in the Shia Community
[9:35]when it comes to posting for example seeing oppression take place let's
[9:40]say in Palestine then they will put up post after post after
[9:46]post after post it comes to Pakistan for example it'll be well
[9:49]I really don't know much about that area I guarantee you if
[9:54]you took me today to Kuwait or you took me to the
[9:56]United Arab Emirates Shia communities if I go and sit with them
[10:00]you'll find that they may not even mention anything or even care
[10:05]if a Pakistani is killed it might be of no concern there
[10:07]might be some even in the Iraqi Community today they live their
[10:11]lives but you may speak to your parents and they might not
[10:17]mention anything about a Pakistani sh being killed that person doesn't just
[10:21]come and talk about oppression they may neglect members of their own
[10:26]so you see sometimes even in the Sunni World they may be
[10:30]people in the Sunni world who have no interest and speak about
[10:33]their own causes and there might be people in the sh world
[10:40]who talk about shni Unity but forget sh Unity who talk about
[10:43]shni Unity but might forget about the causes of their own Shia
[10:48]so you've got another type of people who are they the ones
[10:51]who only care about what happens in their sect at the end
[10:57]of the day when I see anywhere what is the mantle or
[11:00]what is the barometer which Imam reminds me of oppose the oppressor
[11:04]support the oppressed don't be someone who's silent why because if you're
[11:09]silent on that issue one day they'll come for you as well
[11:13]you may think at now they're not coming for you another time
[11:16]they may come and they may attack you but the sadness of
[11:21]all sadnesses is that while many will mention causes which are maybe
[11:26]sometimes even newsworthy maybe sometimes there are causes get you likes I
[11:32]see when it's a protest for example for a particular area in
[11:35]the world everybody comes out if today there's a protest for parachinar
[11:39]how many of those who come out for other causes would come
[11:44]out for parachinar let me tell you of an experience that happened
[11:47]with me well over 15 years ago the Pakistani Embassy in London
[11:52]as you all know is in Lou Square in nightsbridge there was
[11:56]a demonstration being held similar issue maybe around 200 7 when it
[12:00]was one of the heights of the worst period for parachinar and
[12:04]the killings that took place and the sectarian violence that occurred I
[12:09]went to the demonstration when I went there I noticed a few
[12:12]things the first thing that I noticed was soon as I got
[12:16]there people saw me they said to me said Amar you have
[12:18]to speak I said I don't have to speak when I come
[12:22]for a demonstration I've come to stand alongside all of you I
[12:25]don't attend places just that I always have to speak when I
[12:31]know that people are being oppressed I came to Lou Square I
[12:34]stood with the rest of the Pakistani Community notice I said I
[12:40]stood with the rest of the Pakistani Community I looked around on
[12:43]the second thing that I noticed there were a lot of Daisy
[12:48]molas hardly any Arab molana hardly any Iranian molana hardly any Lebanese
[12:51]molana I didn't see mananas from all other cultures except Pakistani the
[12:58]Indo Pac molas were all there and I can name one by
[13:00]one the ones who gave speeches and I remember even asking at
[13:05]that time by saying where's the molan of the others nations of
[13:10]the followers of when it's an issue that affects Lebanon I see
[13:13]all the D M has come to the demonstrations when it's an
[13:18]issue that affects Palestine I see the Dy mola's attend and I
[13:22]see the Iranian mola's attend and the Iraqi molan is attend and
[13:24]the Lebanese molan is attend and I can make 70 excuses why
[13:28]they weren't there L Square there might be other demonstrations where they
[13:33]have attended but one thing I noticed which was clear to me
[13:36]from that time until today that is when it's a Pakistan issue
[13:41]it's by the wayside for a lot of the Shia and when
[13:43]it's another country's issue suddenly becomes a reality some might say to
[13:49]me no no no even I care when it's a Pakistan issue
[13:50]if I was to ask you tell me about that area where
[13:55]people are being killed what's what's the Shia history in that area
[13:59]my brothers and sisters where we are born is arbitrary in all
[14:02]honesty I could have been born in Rwanda I could have been
[14:06]born in London alhamdulillah I could argue that I was born somewhere
[14:10]safer someone could have been born in that area in what is
[14:15]one of the most dangerous parts of the world that person who's
[14:19]born in that area whether they are Shia or non the reality
[14:22]is it's not their fault that they were born in a dangerous
[14:27]area they were born in one of the most difficult areas for
[14:29]them to grow up in what I mean by this is count
[14:32]your blessings when you are in an area of peace and security
[14:38]because there may be another sh who may be in an area
[14:39]where they can't go to carala without fear of being beheaded on
[14:45]the bus when a person wants to go for Zara me and
[14:47]you will book from London we might go through turkey we might
[14:52]go through God knows where else where we're able to reach NE
[14:55]for Bagdad for example some of these have to take buses through
[14:57]some of the most dangerous areas it means that when Allah subhana
[15:02]wa tala will ask me on the day of judgment what did
[15:04]you do with the that I gave you which other Shia or
[15:09]other Muslims found difficulty in also on this area let's not simplify
[15:13]this as a Sunni versus Shia War this is very important because
[15:19]the reality is that you cannot generalize a whole group of a
[15:22]sect that they all have the same opinions in that area I
[15:26]for example have friends of mine from that area who live in
[15:30]London yes them living in London and interacting with non with Shia
[15:33]meant that their worldview expanded but even they will say that we
[15:39]don't agree with some of the policies of the militants over there
[15:42]so when a person comes and says that this particular issue Sun
[15:46]sh we can't simplify it as Sun sh there are other hands
[15:51]which are involved that have sought to divide have sought to ruin
[15:54]and have sought to destroy let us tonight examine so that all
[15:58]of us humbly are more aware of our people in another part
[16:03]of the world and I'd like to do this in the following
[16:05]stages number one this area parachinar why has it become one of
[16:11]the most dangerous if not the most dangerous part of the world
[16:13]what is the history of the area the history of the Muslims
[16:18]in this area and which different parts in their history have led
[16:21]to this tension that exists number two can a person simplify this
[16:25]as a sectarian war or is there more to it number three
[16:29]how important is it that the media talks about this issue and
[16:34]why is it that the media has not spoken more is it
[16:39]our fault or the non-muslim Western media who have a particular bias
[16:44]further than that of the utmost importance have our said what they
[16:48]need to say and what are the statements that they're promoting and
[16:51]does every Mar have to word everything in exactly the same way
[16:55]or does each one have a different opinion or solution what is
[17:01]the solution that one could find in that area is there a
[17:03]possibility there'll ever be peace or do we have to give up
[17:07]and say that that's an area of War further than that for
[17:09]our brothers and sisters who are there are they the first of
[17:14]the Shia to face this type of Oppression or have there been
[17:16]oppressions like this in the past and how does IM talk about
[17:21]those who when they face the fire of Oppression what emerges from
[17:26]them and of the utmost importance how does he help us to
[17:30]narrate the worst of genocides the genocide of carala and what took
[17:36]place in kufa and Sham let's examine this and dissect the topic
[17:40]in complete depth this area of parachinar I could safely say is
[17:43]one of the most dangerous if not the most dangerous part of
[17:48]the world someone will say to me the most dangerous part of
[17:50]the world yes when an area is dangerous there could be a
[17:56]number of reasons it's dangerous but not one thing that parachinar in
[17:59]P in Pakistan is 90 kilm from Kabul I'll leave the rest
[18:04]to your imagination area parachinar is in Pakistan it's 90 km from
[18:11]Kabul the capital of Afghanistan that area is even known that particular
[18:16]area is known as the beak cuz you know that parachinar is
[18:23]the capital of the kurum agency and that area is known as
[18:27]a particular area where they there have been difficulties and there has
[18:31]been fight and there has been War if you imagine the beak
[18:35]of a bird for example why is it known as the beak
[18:37]because here it is you've got the shape of the beak and
[18:42]you've got around it 90 km away is cabal and then you've
[18:48]got these three other areas within Afghanistan that whole border area you've
[18:53]got over there Pangia you've got Nahar and you've got host that
[19:00]a area is an area that has always been a difficult area
[19:03]since when not since 10 years ago not since 15 years ago
[19:09]not since 30 years ago since when the British were ruling that
[19:13]area because when the British of course were ruling India they wanted
[19:17]to have control of the whole of India and they got control
[19:21]of the whole of India until eventually they got control of the
[19:25]Punjab area the British having gained control of that whole area of
[19:29]India you found that they had their War and what was known
[19:35]as the Anglo Afghan Wars the British and the Afghans that area
[19:39]meant that eventually After the War the British gained even more control
[19:44]of this area until eventually they try to find a particular way
[19:51]in which both sides of the Border could live in relative peace
[19:56]but the cities on the border of British ru India and Afghanistan
[20:01]in many cases were neglected if I tell you about that area
[20:08]many of you will know Pisha parach you go towards the pakun
[20:12]province what you all know as Hazara as well Jammu Kashmir this
[20:17]whole area has always been disputed land but it's also been dangerous
[20:25]why it's been dangerous because it's an area that at times was
[20:29]neglected for example example if in India when the British were ruling
[20:32]they were building for example roads and canals this area was neglected
[20:36]if there were water facilities that were being built with modernity this
[20:41]area was being neglected even in the political system of the British
[20:50]rule this area was not politically given the same amount of rights
[20:54]as for example the rest of the area that they ruled because
[20:57]of this a lot of the people people there on the one
[21:01]level felt that they were being neglected felt that there was a
[21:04]lack of resources for them felt at the same time whereas everybody
[21:10]else was being looked after they were completely being forgotten and so
[21:15]because of all of this you found that this area eventually became
[21:19]an area that was neither being looked after by the British rule
[21:25]in India even though they tried to come with different manifestos and
[21:29]different treaties to try and look after that area on the border
[21:33]of India and of Afghanistan eventually when the British do leave India
[21:40]and the partition occurs that becomes a part of where a part
[21:46]of Pakistan but even becoming a part of Pakistan it is still
[21:50]not given the same political importance and it's still not looked after
[21:54]as the rest of Pakistan so for years the people in this
[22:00]area who are made up especially if you go to the kurum
[22:02]agency you will find that in that area is made up of
[22:10]maybe 45% or so Shia 55% what 55% Sunni you will find
[22:15]therefore that the area closest to the border of Afghanistan is mainly
[22:22]the Shia are living there so I want you to imagine with
[22:24]what you know about the history of the ' 80s and the
[22:28]'90s and the 2000s that on the the border of Pakistan and
[22:31]Afghanistan that area on the border where parachinar is you have a
[22:39]huge Shia Community let's say in that whole area there's 785,000 people
[22:43]45% Shia in the upper kurum area and there is the lower
[22:48]and the Central kurum Area lower kurum and the central kurum is
[22:56]Sunni upper kurum is what sh the Shia have their representatives and
[23:00]the Sunni have their tribe Representatives on the one level therefore there
[23:05]is already this idea that if we are the majority we should
[23:08]have more land automatically there is the dispute similar to that land
[23:14]that belonged to the where a person wants to take control of
[23:18]a land or confiscate a a piece of land or that land
[23:22]belongs to us so on the one level it's got nothing to
[23:26]do with SH on the one level there's this land dispute that's
[23:30]there but then this becomes escalated into Shia Sunni when does this
[23:36]escalation occur there are different periods where this escalation occurs but in
[23:41]particular if now you want to help the afghanis fight the Russians
[23:47]let's say in the 1980s the Iranian Revolution has taken place in
[23:53]179 the afghanis want to fight the Russians the Americans want to
[23:58]of course help with all their sincerity and kindness they want to
[24:03]help the afghanis fight the Russians the afan are in a Jihad
[24:06]the muah are going to come from everywhere the mujah are going
[24:12]to go through where so if I'm a mujah masallah from Jordan
[24:15]and my name is zwi or I'm a mujah for example and
[24:22]my name is or I am for example abdar or ABD or
[24:25]whatever my name is I'm a mujah and I want to come
[24:30]towards fighting with the rest of the muah where am I going
[24:34]to go through an area that has already lacked resources geographically it's
[24:39]already complex there's already a dispute over land there are some people
[24:44]in that part who are no longer saying we're Sunni now my
[24:47]name now is that I'm no no no no I am salafi
[24:53]no I'm diandi now it's not Sunni anymore now I've gone towards
[24:57]which direction a militant Direction in the Sunni world the salafi school
[25:01]there is a salafi who for example is what you have a
[25:07]salafi who is Jihadi and a salafi who may be obedient towards
[25:09]the government a respector of the government because sometimes when you hear
[25:14]someone's wahhabi or salafi you automatically assume they're all muah and they
[25:17]all want to top all governments with Jihad no there are some
[25:20]who may be salafi in their religious persuasion but they don't want
[25:24]to bring down a government they will actually obey the ruler irres
[25:27]of how religious they are they are others know I want you
[25:33]to imagine the scene that the Afghan Russian war and everybody wants
[25:38]to come from the militant salafi schools to come to Afghanistan where
[25:43]are they going to go through to go to Afghanistan not somewhere
[25:47]someone would Book for a holiday no doubt the border of Pakistan
[25:51]and Afghanistan you're going to go through there you're going to go
[25:59]through that area to go and fight f with the afghanis The
[26:01]Afghani what are their names the Taliban Taliban as you know there
[26:08]is Taliban Pakistan Taliban Afghanistan so now you have the Taliban of
[26:13]Pakistan the Taliban of Afghanistan and you've got muah who are coming
[26:18]left right and Center going through which area the beak so they're
[26:21]going to go through parachin the kurum agency and they're going to
[26:27]make their way towards where toward Afghanistan in making their way at
[26:32]that time there is also the spread of propaganda for them in
[26:36]the madrasas that's Iran you put all of that together I want
[26:43]you to imagine the rest as to what's going to happen to
[26:48]the Shia who are living in this area because that muah if
[26:50]he sees that the Shia and this area and the Shia if
[26:54]they're not supporting the afan against the Russians or they're not supporting
[26:58]in the militant Jihadi groups or they're not supporting the Taliban then
[27:04]that person sees this situation says two birds in one stone number
[27:09]one I want that land and number two if there is someone
[27:13]from the then if they get in our way then we will
[27:16]finish them we will kill them add to that a leader in
[27:23]Pakistan who comes in was the leader of Pakistan in the mid
[27:26]80s he wants that a area to be the central base for
[27:35]the muah if I'm a sh living in that area and that
[27:37]area becomes a central base for the mujah what's going to happen
[27:42]to me the mujah on the one hand is fighting the Russians
[27:44]on the other hand he sees me doing M for example or
[27:50]he sees coming out in the procession or he sees an area
[27:53]where people are calling out yah Ali and yah Hussein what do
[27:57]you think that person will do around and say these are my
[27:59]Shia Brethren let them practice as they want no at the end
[28:04]of the day I want them dead and I want their land
[28:08]I want control of this whole area the political government which normally
[28:14]does nothing now the is saying that I'm fully behind this area
[28:18]being a mujahedin base and that's where you saw from 1979 1980s
[28:24]that area became the center of what of killings of violence and
[28:31]of Oppression instead of that area being a place where Muslims could
[28:37]all live together in peace no way from there the 1980s you
[28:40]had this tribe against that tribe the Tori tribe which of course
[28:45]is the Shia tribe amongst the Shia tribes over there if they
[28:48]saw their own Shia being insulted as that happened in 1996 when
[28:52]someone in a school wrote an anti- SL on the Blackboard Shia
[28:58]turned on they said what we're not going to sit here and
[29:01]have people who write something anti against us so they stood up
[29:09]why they stand up the Quran says in Surah 22:39 permission has
[29:18]been given to the fighters to fight why because they've been oppressed
[29:24]and Allah will ensure their Victory it's complete 199 six why does
[29:30]this continuously occur because if that's now a base for the mujah
[29:37]and the mujah is already raised with books at that time the
[29:41]books were spreading far and wide of different salafi Dei thinkers either
[29:50]you had if I'm not mistaken his name or you had all
[29:55]of a sudden groups that emerge like sah when an group is
[30:04]called sah what does sah mean sah means Army sahaba means the
[30:09]companions so you have a group who are calling themselves the army
[30:15]of the sahaba why because the sh they say Do not respect
[30:18]the sah of the sh we respect the there's the biggest insult
[30:22]to say we don't respect the sahaba so what I named my
[30:27]son Salman and Abu and MD andar and B and and ab
[30:29]I name all of them these names I don't respect the sahaba
[30:31]but I have a difference on certain sahaba at the end of
[30:34]the day last time I checked you don't have a concept called
[30:37]imama like you make fun of me of having imama unless you
[30:39]suddenly believe that to respect the first three companions is now another
[30:43]part of then we have to debate IM and but they said
[30:48]that we are the army of the sah and the Shia retaliated
[30:52]with seah Muhammad s alai so you had therefore sah this went
[30:57]V in the 80s and the '90s where you hadah Muhammad andah
[31:04]and you had all of these different groups who in particular in
[31:11]reality the first attack was on the Shia why because the Shia
[31:15]didn't follow the militancy and the ways of the Taliban and of
[31:21]the muah and of the salais and we want their land so
[31:23]if you have to behead a group of Shia behead them and
[31:26]if you have to kill Shia speakers kill kill them and if
[31:30]you have to kill Shia thinkers kill them if you have to
[31:32]kill Shia poets kill the Shia poets someone says what do you
[31:36]mean you have for example was killed in 1988 one of the
[31:40]top Shia of Pakistan get rid of him you have for example
[31:49]thinkers like killed because again Shia this would continue to escalate towards
[31:55]where from the parach area then if we can't kill you in
[31:58]parach will kill in Karachi and then suddenly killings begin to happen
[32:02]where in Karachi you're a poet I shoot you ja for example
[32:07]poet where many people recite his his noas he was killed doctors
[32:15]who are sh killed why because he's sh that's it nothing else
[32:18]the doctor has got nothing to do with this situation no sh
[32:24]intellectual kill them Shia doctor kill them where does this emerge from
[32:29]it's emerges from what's taking place in the 1980s in that area
[32:32]if the Iranian Revolution is spreading then the revolution completely opposed to
[32:39]that the one that hates it the one that's against it will
[32:45]spread as well and that's why in the '90s it was normal
[32:47]to go after the Shia and to kill them in turn the
[32:51]Shia came back that if you're going to come and kill us
[32:56]then we're going to retaliate and we're going to defend our ourself
[33:00]period there was maybe some piece that occurs then again in 2007
[33:04]A procession goes out and that procession anti- with the statements with
[33:13]the slandering the Shia again have to defend themselves 2007 a few
[33:18]years after 2007 Shia are going towards Z on their way towards
[33:22]Zara again what happens again they come towards the Shia and they
[33:27]do what to them they come towards the sh and they get
[33:29]the people of the bus and they behead each of those people
[33:35]behead them why because these people are not following the right way
[33:39]of Islam Habibi firstly your way of Islam is made up of
[33:41]so many opinions it's unreal at the end of the day your
[33:48]as whatever you follow or you call yourself dendi or you call
[33:52]yourself Sala the general thing that you are is you follow there
[33:57]are others in who differ with your F worldview or your political
[34:01]worldview so what do you do you go and kill them you
[34:06]cannot say that your understanding of Islam is the only understanding that
[34:09]exists of Islam even in your own School you pray a certain
[34:13]way and another one praised them this way and another one praised
[34:17]them that way you're coming to kill a group of people why
[34:20]why kill these people Subhan Allah are these people going against against
[34:26]against the belief in you may have a different conception of to
[34:31]your fellow Sunni you know in the Sunni World there are some
[34:35]who believe Allah subhana waala has a body and he has hands
[34:37]and he has eyes and he sits on a throne and there
[34:40]are some in the Sunni world who deny all types of anthropomorphism
[34:45]they say no there is none like Allah subhana wa taala that
[34:50]person differs with you in their definition of you may have someone
[34:54]in the Sunni world who believes the Quran is created others who
[34:59]might believe the Quran is eternal that person differs with you you
[35:02]may have someone in the Sunni world who believes in complete predestination
[35:06]and another Sunni who believes in complete Free Will as you saw
[35:10]in our history of the and the and so on so what
[35:13]you go and kill another Sunni because they differ with you in
[35:18]theology if another Sunni differs with you in definitions ofed or definitions
[35:23]of theology definitions of predestination and Justice and free will but you
[35:28]don't kill them with you with a similar opinion to theirs why
[35:32]kill that Shia someone turns around and says that the killing occurs
[35:36]for which reason they say the killing occurs because the Shia do
[35:39]not respect the companions of Al no at the end of the
[35:46]day you have your narrative and I have my narrative if my
[35:49]narrative says that F had her property her land confiscated and therefore
[35:56]whoever confiscated her land I do not respect you may Respect by
[36:01]saying he made a mistake but at the end of the day
[36:05]he's close to I have no problem that's your narrative this is
[36:09]my narrative I have a reading of History you have a reading
[36:13]of History you are the same person who says that the mus
[36:17]you can sit and talk to but the one who says and
[36:23]that rasol Allah is the messenger of Allah that person you go
[36:26]and kill and the irony of all ironies wah with these people
[36:31]is that you'll see when you look in Palestine today you'll see
[36:34]their bravery and their muscles can all be seen in many cases
[36:41]with their fellow Muslims the moment you tell him about what's happening
[36:45]in Philistine for example suddenly goes quiet we saw with Isis Isis
[36:49]how strong were they in in when it's a sh what would
[36:55]they do to the sh kill him because he's called Ali she's
[36:58]called FAA the same Isis when it comes to Palestine where are
[37:04]they where where you gone where is everyone gone only when it's
[37:07]the sh and that's why I will never forget that quote you
[37:11]all read the quote online if you were to tell people that
[37:14]the Shia are in control of that area W all of the
[37:19]Muslims will turn around and come and fight if you were to
[37:24]say that that's hell if people were to say that that's area
[37:27]is controlled by the Shia suddenly W will see Chan will come
[37:33]do Jihad and Bosnian will do Jihad and Jordanian will come and
[37:36]do Jihad and Pakistani will come and do Jihad but if you
[37:41]say however at someone else they'll say no it's better for our
[37:43]business interest that we maintain ties and negotiations look at us the
[37:52]followers of on the one hand we've been there in that area
[37:54]since the beginning that tribe in parachinar of Shia has been there
[37:57]since the beginning and Wallah we have no problem if there are
[38:02]Sunni and Shia living in the area what's the issue there's a
[38:05]majority Sunni living in that area 57% Shia 43% of the 785,000
[38:11]of that area we can all live together in peace someone says
[38:13]but there's no example in the Muslim world where we live together
[38:15]in peace there are there are look today in Lebanon there are
[38:21]Shia helping Sunni and Sunni helping Shia there are people in parts
[38:27]of Lebanon who are not Shia but they've said Wallah we are
[38:29]with the Shia these are our brothers and sisters they've been displaced
[38:31]we are the first to help them inni Shia all living together
[38:38]in one country you see in muskat people who are living together
[38:41]without having to make a difference that exists there in Iran there
[38:45]are Sunni and Shia who are living together majority is Shia but
[38:50]there are people who are not Shia who are living together who
[38:52]have their centers who have their mosques who have this and that
[38:55]therefore for me when I look at this area and I see
[39:00]the unfortunate killings that take place and I must put a word
[39:04]in here on something probably the safest time this area has seen
[39:08]was in 2019 when Imran Khan was in power in Pakistan and
[39:11]that is an important Point Imran Khan today is in prison I
[39:17]can speak as someone who's metran Khan and not just metran Khan
[39:20]there are people who could meet anyone and say Salam alaykum and
[39:23]end up saying oh I know the person really well but even
[39:27]when I saw khanan and we sat and we spoke and we
[39:32]had dinner together and so on and so forth and our brother
[39:34]said Zuli bukari and others who were there at the time when
[39:37]we sat with him that Vision that he had for Pakistan wasn't
[39:41]a vision based on sectarian Sunni killing sh and shni but rather
[39:46]was a vision where people would follow the sun of and try
[39:52]and read the of alaih and live by the principles of s
[39:59]Al in 2019 one may argue in 2019 was the safest time
[40:02]that area on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan and which border
[40:07]by the way which border you think they they worry about a
[40:10]border they could cross whenever they want the afadi doesn't acknowledge nor
[40:15]the Pakistani which border he wanted that area to be what he
[40:19]wanted that area to be a safe area a safe Zone and
[40:24]it's no coincidence that again in the last couple of years since
[40:27]the man has gone now in prison that again these riots and
[40:34]these fights happen why because sometimes you fuel these tensions you keep
[40:39]people busy with these things you throw something and you make this
[40:42]person kill that person you take the attention away from the real
[40:45]situation and W I pray thatan Khan comes out of prison and
[40:50]that he's able to take Pakistan to a better place because Pakistan
[40:53]should not be in this situation Pakistan is a country that has
[40:59]produced thinkers has produced great minds has produced intellectuals and importantly there
[41:06]are Sunni and Shia in Pakistan who are best friends with each
[41:09]other not enemies W I said a few years ago and I
[41:16]will not mince my words I learned that you canot generalize on
[41:19]the Sunni world when I went to Pakistan and India because I
[41:22]found that in the Sunni World there are some people who are
[41:26]the biggest lovers of bit in Pakistan in India you mention if
[41:31]they know that you are a s from the descendant of B
[41:33]that person may pray different to you but he Ador and adors
[41:39]anyone related to so for a person to say that Pakistan sun
[41:42]and Sh no unfortunately on the one hand you've got non-muslim elements
[41:49]who know how to fuel the fire on the other hand you've
[41:52]got some who are Muslim who follow a particular ideology where they
[41:55]want to see everybody killing each other sadly it's not in the
[42:01]media someone says why is it not in the media on the
[42:04]one hand it's not in the media because people don't want to
[42:07]know about the oppression that takes place that doesn't sell if I
[42:10]say a Pakistani is died is it going to get me Instagram
[42:12]likes what does it come down to in the media there BBC
[42:16]or other outlets at the end of the day if it's a
[42:21]story that's a bit juicier they might sell it but if it's
[42:22]a story that's not going to get you any likes or any
[42:25]or it's not interesting might get a small report sometimes you will
[42:30]even see some Muslim Outlets Muslim Shia being killed W I raised
[42:37]this in mam in thean shootings and now Shia lives don't matter
[42:40]I'm telling you I'm telling you I've seen the coverage of Al
[42:43]jazer when it comes to Palestine versus Lebanon you see the sced
[42:49]coverage that occurs yes some Muslim Outlets don't even mentioned today parach
[42:53]not even a word that's being said but sometimes we also need
[42:57]to BU build a vision for our future that is not reactive
[43:02]but is proactive if your child said to you I want to
[43:04]enter the media would you place that ahead of medicine would you
[43:09]place that ahead of Dentistry would you place that ahead of being
[43:12]a hedge fund Banker somewhere in a city or in the corporate
[43:15]world media is an area that can make or break the image
[43:23]of Islam how many do we have in the media who could
[43:25]speak up and make sure that a report goes through through about
[43:31]these people who are oppressed why IM aliam said oppose the oppressor
[43:35]support the oppressed the prophet said whoever wakes up in the morning
[43:38]and does not care about the Affairs of the Muslims is not
[43:40]a Muslim if I've woken up and I don't care about the
[43:46]Affairs of the Pakistani Muslim who's being butchered whose children are being
[43:51]beheaded then I am also part of the issue that I have
[43:57]to make sure that I find a way someone says our they
[43:58]are our leaders they have to speak you see that only yesterday
[44:03]I received or two days ago I told may Allah lengthen his
[44:10]life clear statement about p and Parina a clear statement in honor
[44:14]of those people who have died in honor of those Martyrs to
[44:18]say that someone has to do something my dear brothers and sisters
[44:22]just because you were born on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan
[44:25]doesn't mean you have to be killed or you have to live
[44:29]a life where one day you're going to be beheaded we live
[44:32]in a world where you would expect that we have a voice
[44:35]a voice that can bring people together the first thing that needs
[44:39]to be done and again I will say this point again even
[44:42]in the salafi world I won't generalize about all salafis and I
[44:46]will not generalize about all the Taliban as well Taliban there are
[44:50]elements of the Taliban that may hate me and there are elements
[44:55]of the Taliban whether I like it or I don't I have
[44:57]to sit politically and have dialogue with them you thinku alh liked
[45:01]Abu sufyan you think alaih liked all those quesi leaders when he
[45:08]did the hudia peace treaty he did the hudia peace treaty knowing
[45:13]these people had killed members of his religion but why did he
[45:17]do the treaty because in these diplomatic ties there has to be
[45:23]and there needs to be a situation where we sit together someone
[45:26]says I'll never sit with the Taliban no you'll see that there
[45:29]are states like Iran that have cordial relations with the Taliban now
[45:33]have cordial relations with Saudi Arabia maybe a few years ago you
[45:39]might have said I am anti- Saudi Arabia I'm anti- Taliban today
[45:41]you see that there are certain states that come forward and say
[45:44]that there is a need to sit down and engage in dialogue
[45:48]if I leave them in the shadows what's going to happen the
[45:51]Rogue elements are going to come they'll build up and there'll be
[45:56]killings that will take place whereas if I engage in dialogue how
[45:58]many years the United States tried to finish the Taliban and how
[46:02]many billions were invested until eventually they left that area and the
[46:05]Taliban sat there comfortably so what's the future the future is you
[46:11]sit down and you discuss just because someone is not on your
[46:14]path of thinking doesn't mean there can't be dialogue and diplomacy someone
[46:18]says it'll never happen have you seen how dangerous North Wan is
[46:22]South Wan I don't deny I'm not going to go to Mong
[46:27]on holiday never nor am I going to go towards the Hazara
[46:29]community and those who have been killed in that area but what
[46:33]I can do is the little that I can do to raise
[46:38]my voice and to find people who are like-minded but it's give
[46:41]and take I cannot have everything go my way I have to
[46:45]find a way in which we can all sit together and talk
[46:47]and find a way even that part where borders people can just
[46:53]cross as they like Taliban of Pakistan Taliban of Afghanistan and I
[46:57]can have full control of that area not involve someone in the
[47:00]political process if I don't involve tribes in that political process both
[47:03]Shia and nonia then nothing will move forward the future has to
[47:10]be that people in the political sphere who have influence now what
[47:14]do we have media and politics again if you I was to
[47:18]ask you who's the best Shia Diplomat in the world there are
[47:20]maybe one or two you'll mention to me and not more who
[47:24]are the best in the media who are voices you'll mention one
[47:26]or two and not more more the only way forward in this
[47:33]delicate situation is that a person engages in these two key areas
[47:36]but for those people who are dying only Allah subhana wa taala
[47:40]knows how difficult it is Wallah that's why IM when he would
[47:46]talk about his sh and he would come forward and say that
[47:52]our sh are like red gold the more you place it in
[47:54]fire the more you see an increase in quality without a doubt
[48:00]you'll find that the more fire you oppress the Shia with the
[48:03]more you see the quality of the faith of the Shia Allah
[48:07]only recently I said this in my magist a few days ago
[48:11]imagine how it's still ringing in my ears I saw that mother
[48:13]of that person in Lebanon being buried and she's quoting the of
[48:20]Z while her son is being buried and then you see in
[48:22]the area of parach those who are saying this is little for
[48:27]ab abdah this is for the martys ofala this is little in
[48:30]the path of who they say in the path of imagine you
[48:35]would think that that person when they face that oppression we take
[48:39]lessons from them they don't take lessons from me I learn from
[48:43]them when I see all of these who have died on the
[48:45]path of Allah subhah wa ta'ala I learn from them and if
[48:50]I were to ask them how did you have such strength they
[48:54]might turn around to me and say with all that genocide that's
[48:56]occurred to us these are our role models we are just those
[49:00]who continue that message Wallah you think par hasn't happened in our
[49:04]history you think all these massacres haven't happened one only looks at
[49:09]a massacre like the incident of when the great grandchildren of f
[49:14]z were all placed in a certain area and all beheaded one
[49:17]after the other to the extent that the imams would say after
[49:23]carala the worst massacre was if there was noala then would be
[49:27]the worst of massacres and how many of us know about if
[49:33]you ask your average sh tell me about the incident of many
[49:36]will say I don't know and if we don't know it affects
[49:39]us in two ways one we lack the inspiration from an incident
[49:42]then we become weaker whereas if you look at how we survive
[49:49]you become stronger the incident of a genocide occurs and genocide occurs
[49:54]in many other places in Shia history why because the lover of
[49:58]fa zah whose daughter is called fa and whose son is called
[50:04]Ali only because of their identity they are not allowed to live
[50:07]and they're beheaded and they're burned imagine being beheaded imagine being burned
[50:14]imagine being attacked all of these things that we see imagine all
[50:17]of them in one day imagine sometimes you see someone you hear
[50:21]someone's been beheaded but not someone has been burned with fire and
[50:26]then sometimes you hear someone who's been burnt with some fire but
[50:31]not beheaded and then sometimes you hear children like we see children
[50:36]running around today but nothing else imagine all of those in one
[50:39]day and that's why we say that carala remains our banner and
[50:45]our slogan for our life that whenever we see all this oppression
[50:48]we think of the events of the 10th of M and it's
[50:53]not just us who use those events as an inspiration look at
[50:56]IM Al how great he is IM was not atala but who
[51:02]did he learn about carala from amongst the sources IM was inala
[51:06]he was a few years of age so imagine what he narrated
[51:14]to IM Imad how much he knew about carala it acted as
[51:17]an inspiration for him why cuz he knew that because he is
[51:22]the grandson of f there's a chance that they're going to attack
[51:24]him and they're going to attack his family when I see these
[51:27]families being attacked I say so were the imams and their families
[51:34]someone says yes yes I know Imam am IM Hussein not just
[51:36]them the other imams of bit were also attacked because they were
[51:41]the children of f imagine you are a lover of f you
[51:43]get attacked imagine you're from the grandchildren of and that's why the
[51:51]narrations mentioned to us that the abas government one day they had
[51:54]decided they want to depose of IM so they decided to burn
[52:00]the house of IM while he was in the house and the
[52:02]rest of the daughters of f imagine the daughters of f z
[52:09]running from one side of the house to another and all of
[52:13]them are looking for the IM of their time so that the
[52:15]IM of their time would help them all of us look for
[52:18]the IM of our time now when we see the against the
[52:20]Shia of Lebanon and the Shia of Iraq and the Shia of
[52:26]Iran and Afghanistan and Pakistan and the Shia of Yemen and those
[52:29]in Syria and bahin and all around the Muslim world the Imam
[52:34]of our time the IM of our time we couldn't see him
[52:38]we can't see him but we hope that one day we'll be
[52:40]able to call on him so that he'll be able to be
[52:43]there with us but for those ladies in the house of IM
[52:47]they were able to go out the IM they ran from one
[52:52]side to another one of them calling out their father and another
[52:55]calling out their uncle and another calling for her husband to come
[53:00]towards her the day after this had happened IM of course alhamdulillah
[53:05]he was able to help his daughters he was able to save
[53:08]his daughters but when his companion came to visit him his companion
[53:12]said to him when he saw him crying and crying and crying
[53:18]His companion was surprised this is an IM of they teach us
[53:21]they teach us T they teach us but here's an IM who's
[53:27]crying and crying so he asked the Imam he said to him
[53:29]Imam you teach us patience but I see you crying what is
[53:33]it about what happened that makes you cry the imam's reply breaks
[53:37]all of our hearts the Imam said to him W I cry
[53:42]because when I saw my daughters running from one part of the
[53:46]house to the other I remember the daughters ofah on the night
[53:54]of the 11th ofam when I see those girls in pakist running
[53:58]from one side to another calling out then we remember the daughters
[54:08]of abdah running from one to another all of the daughters had
[54:11]a special place in the heart of ab abdah but Hussein especially
[54:15]she was a soft sport for him so imagine if im Hussein's
[54:20]head is on a spear it's not like he can't see sua
[54:25]calling out for her father to come and help her why because
[54:28]Muslim narrates he said I saw the fire burning the dress of
[54:33]the daughter ofd when I came to her I gave her some
[54:36]water she looked at me she said to me oh man are
[54:40]you with us or are you against us he said to her
[54:44]I'm neither with you nor am I against you she said how
[54:50]could you give me water when my father died th on the
[54:53]plains ofal then she said to him oh man have you read
[54:56]the Quran he said to her yes I have she said to
[54:59]him have you read the As for the orphan do not hurt
[55:13]the orphan he said to her yes I am she said I
[55:21]am the of imin let everyone of child wherever may be remember
[55:34]then she said to him if someone asks you a question do
[55:41]not reject them he said to yes go ahead ask me she
[55:46]said to him tell me where is the land of Naf Allah
[55:52]what a question our hearts are all there tell me about the
[55:56]land of Naf my grandfather's buried in that land tell me so
[56:05]I may tell him what they did to his sons on the
[56:10]plains of carala our brothers and sisters in parachinar Allah bless them
[56:26]give them peace and prosperity and remove the oppression that they Face
[56:31]Ya Allah raise us with Muhammad and Al Muhammad and allow us
[56:35]to be amongst the companions of the IM of our time IM
[56:39]on behalf of myself and the congregation and the Channel all of
[56:45]us send our condolences to the families of those martys may Allah
[56:48]subhana wa ta'ala give them in this period patience with what they
[56:52]have seen Ya Allah oh Allah hasten the reappearance of the Imam
[57:01]of time we pray to Allah subhana waala with in honor of
[57:04]those Mars but before it wherever you may be the loudest loudest
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