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Sayed Mohammad Baquer Qazwini & Pastor Mark Anderson Debate: Similarities Between Islam and Christianity

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[0:07]and do not argue with the people of the scripture except in

[0:10]a way that is best except for those who commit injustice among

[0:13]them and say we believe in that which has been revealed to

[0:17]us and revealed to you and our god and your god is

[0:19]one and we are muslims to him surah kabut verse 46 and

[0:24]with that being said i would like to welcome everyone to this

[0:27]debate on the similarities between islam and christianity we have two guests

[0:31]here with us the first one is said mohammed bhagava raswini he

[0:36]has completed his house studies in iran and he holds a ba

[0:41]in sociology from the university of michigan ann arbor he is currently

[0:44]a scholar at the islamic institute of america in dearborn heights michigan

[0:47]and he's the director of lahuja islamic seminary and then we have

[0:54]pastor mark anderson he has a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering and

[0:58]he has studied in eastern europe for four years and he moved

[1:02]to milwaukee and very quickly started to get to know people from

[1:05]all over the world and then he graduated with a master's in

[1:08]christian studies and has worked as a pastor and also he has

[1:13]worked in university international student admissions and advising so today we have

[1:19]eight main questions that both of our guests will answer and then

[1:23]we're gonna in the middle we'll ask if the audience has any

[1:28]questions then they can answer as well so that's how the format

[1:30]is going to be so we can start with our first question

[1:33]um so how do muslims and christians view lady mary and the

[1:38]virgin birth so pastor mark do you want to begin sure [Music]

[1:42]many of you may been may have been on the presentation yesterday

[1:45]so you may have gotten the much fuller answer um in short

[1:50]we we definitely view the lady mary the virgin mary as being

[1:56]a great example within christianity somebody that we can learn a lot

[2:00]from um one thing that that we really emphasize though is that

[2:04]she is she's not the center obviously of of the faith and

[2:09]so therefore we would look more to jesus uh you know as

[2:11]the ultimate example in the ultimate way of salvation um when we

[2:16]look to mary though it's it's it's definitely as one who has

[2:18]followed god who has submitted to god and and and one who

[2:24]who respected him tremendously in every way i begin in the name

[2:33]of the almighty god the lord of abraham moses jesus and the

[2:35]last of them prophet muhammed pastor anderson good afternoon it's my great

[2:46]honor to be with you on this panel my dear brothers and

[2:50]sisters assalamu the beauty of the abrahamic faiths is that they continue

[3:00]the same line that the almighty god revealed to his great prophets

[3:04]and islam is a continuation of christianity from our perspective and that

[3:10]is why we have so many similarities we have so many commonalities

[3:14]now to answer the question how do we muslims view lady mary

[3:20]prophet jesus peace be upon him the virgin birth you'll find that

[3:25]prophet jesus alaih-salaam has been mentioned by his name in the quran

[3:31]more than the name of the prophet muhammad he's he's he's mentioned

[3:39]more than 30 times in the holy quran and that shows you

[3:44]how much respect the holy quran has for this great leader that

[3:49]god gave to humanity so we believe in the virgin birth the

[3:53]holy quran beautifully talks about what happened you know when lady miriam

[3:59]she was visited by the spirit of god he appeared to her

[4:04]and she was in a private area and so she got scared

[4:09]she saw him in the form of a human being so she

[4:13]didn't she did not know who he was so she told him

[4:20]don't touch me don't lay a finger on me if you fear

[4:25]god so he told her i'm not here to harm you i

[4:26]am just delivering to you the news the message that you will

[4:31]be carrying the messiah so she said how is that even possible

[4:35]when i'm not married i have not touched any man he told

[4:40]her this is the word of god this is the miracle of

[4:45]god and don't worry he will be there he will protect you

[4:48]and so lady mary at a young age she's now pregnant now

[4:54]according to the muslim traditions we believe that she was somewhere between

[4:59]10 to 12 years old when this happened pastor and in the

[5:06]christian belief how old was mary roughly when the virgin birth happened

[5:09]typically closer to like upper teens upper teens 16 18 maybe 16

[5:15]to 18.

[5:16]but she was a teenager right we can agree on that she

[5:18]was young she was relatively young and the and the beauty of

[5:25]that you know the these two religions islam and christianity show us

[5:28]that when it comes to being a global example age is not

[5:34]a factor this is a beautiful lesson for our teenagers today lady

[5:38]mary with all her greatness and her purity and chastity she was

[5:43]a teenager yet she had a legacy to leave for humankind god

[5:47]found her worthy of carrying the messiah and that shows our teenagers

[5:52]how much respect god has for them and how much potential they

[5:56]have how they can leave a global impact so lady mary after

[6:02]she you know was told by the spirit of god the angel

[6:07]jibrael one of the angels of god that she will carry the

[6:10]messiah she left jerusalem according to the quran she went east now

[6:15]it's not known exactly where she went some of our narration says

[6:20]she went all the way to iraq to the euphrates river some

[6:24]other areas she she goes east and then that's when she goes

[6:31]through labor when she's going through labor and she remembers how the

[6:34]jews in palestine are going to accuse her because remember she according

[6:38]to at least islamic traditions she was not married now i think

[6:43]in some christian um beliefs she was betrothed maybe to joseph she

[6:46]was engaged she was engaged to joseph now in islamic traditions she

[6:52]was not engaged to anyone so for her to come back pregnant

[6:55]that was a big deal so she was so scared she wished

[7:01]death according to the quran i wish i would have died and

[7:11]forgotten because how am i going to deal with my community i

[7:15]know they will rip me apart for bringing the baby at that

[7:18]point what happened he called on her from beneath her mother don't

[7:27]be sorrowful don't worry allah will take care of everything god will

[7:31]take care of everything and that's exactly what happened he told her

[7:35]if anyone talks to you tell them i'm fasting the fasting of

[7:38]speech not the fasting of food which existed in previous religions i

[7:43]am fasting i'm not going to speak to anyone so when she

[7:47]came back to jerusalem and they told her shame on you who's

[7:50]this baby what did you do what did she say she just

[7:55]pointed to him and he spoke from the cradle according to the

[8:01]quran he said i am the servant of god he's made me

[8:08]a prophet so we have a lot of respect for prophet jesus

[8:11]for lady mary we consider them as sources of guidance and they

[8:17]continued the legacy of abraham and after them prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi

[8:22]continued that legacy very well said yeah thank you all right so

[8:29]thank you thank you for your responses um the second question is

[8:33]both christians and muslims believe in different forms of intercession what are

[8:36]the similarities um would you like me first are you sure you

[8:42]may take the lead pastor so to start with um how do

[8:49]we see prayer and we see prayer as as being an opportu

[8:50]it's it's the building block it's the the way that we build

[8:56]our relationship with god we we we get to know god we

[8:57]express ourselves to god of course we're not saying something to god

[9:02]that he does not already know but it's it's an expression of

[9:04]what is going on within us and it's also a learning to

[9:08]hear back from what god has to say to us and so

[9:11]when we would go into intercession intercession would be praying on behalf

[9:16]of somebody else and again so we would we would typically pray

[9:21]because we are expressing dependence on god we are expressing our need

[9:23]of his intervention and so then we would we would then see

[9:26]another person for whatever reason that that we feel that we need

[9:32]to to maybe come alongside them in prayer to come alongside them

[9:36]to encourage them so one example is you know like an analogy

[9:39]of if they're carrying a heavy load that they cannot carry on

[9:43]their own it would be coming up alongside them to help them

[9:45]carry that load and so if somebody is is going through a

[9:50]very difficult time maybe spiritually maybe otherwise physically intercessory prayer would be

[9:55]either on my own on behalf of this other person or with

[10:00]that person presenting our requests to god and trusting that he's going

[10:04]to answer that and the reason that i would come alongside is

[10:06]it's an expression of love it's an expression of service and so

[10:12]another a an event in the life of jesus was was when

[10:15]he came to a town and he was in a house teaching

[10:18]and in that same city there was a man who was paralyzed

[10:23]so he literally he he could not move he his arms did

[10:28]not work his legs did not work and so a picture of

[10:30]intercession was that he had four friends and they they picked up

[10:35]the stretcher that this man was on and they they carried him

[10:38]to jesus because they they knew that jesus could could perform the

[10:42]miracle of healing but when they got to where jesus was teaching

[10:47]there was a crowd so they could not get him in and

[10:48]so they actually climbed up on the roof tore it apart and

[10:53]lowered the man down in front of jesus so that he might

[10:56]be healed and so so that's a very vivid picture of what

[10:59]we strive to do in intercessory prayer by just helping to get

[11:02]people to a place where they can encounter whether it's the healing

[11:06]power of god the presence of god the hope of god or

[11:08]whatever else they need thank you the beauty of islam and christianity

[11:17]is that both faiths are heavily based on prayer we recognize that

[11:20]we have a creator god and we pray to him as as

[11:25]the pastor said not because we have anything to say that god

[11:29]doesn't already know but it shows our love to god sometimes when

[11:35]you just make a prayer to the almighty god you get closer

[11:39]to god you feel that he's indeed with you you connect with

[11:43]him in a different way and so islam is heavily based on

[11:49]prayer even the salah we have informal prayer which is speaking to

[11:52]god in any time even if you're about to sleep you're on

[11:54]your bed you can engage in informal prayer and pray to god

[11:58]we also have the beauty of the formal prayer where we stand

[12:04]and organize lines and together we express that love for the almighty

[12:07]god that's a type of prayer salah in arabic means prayer dua

[12:12]means prayer all of these are beautiful dimensions of that human interaction

[12:17]with the almighty god in terms of spirituality so you find that

[12:22]both religions are really heavy on prayer by the way a pastor

[12:29]once i had a talk at a church in canada and so

[12:31]they wanted me to be part of that prayer now you know

[12:36]different churches have different ways of offering their prayer now that particular

[12:41]church part of the prayer was to dance in the prayer you

[12:44]know they sing something and then they're dancing as they're singing it

[12:47]so you know coming from the islamic tradition we're a little bit

[12:51]conservative with dancing let me just put it that way i am

[12:55]too there are some dances okay we're on the same page [Laughter]

[13:01]so i told the reverend he told me do you have any

[13:04]special requests i'm like how am i gonna convince him on this

[13:09]one i told him look it's the month of ramadan i'm fasting

[13:12]i'm low on energy and honestly i don't know how to dance

[13:14]can we kind of modify that he's like sure we could we

[13:19]could do something we could pray today without dancing it worked out

[13:24]really well so both religions are heavily based on prayer and that's

[13:28]a beautiful aspect of christianity and islam now when it comes to

[13:35]intercession the idea of intercession is that god doesn't need anyone for

[13:41]you to go through that intermediary to god a lot of people

[13:45]ask well i can just speak to god directly and ask him

[13:47]directly why do i need an intercessor the intercession from the islamic

[13:54]perspective is based on god's justice and mercy there are people in

[14:02]history there are leaders prophets messiahs who sacrificed everything for god how

[14:09]does god reward them how does god honor what they did one

[14:17]way to honor them for their sacrifices is through intercession that if

[14:20]you want to come to me i'm your lord you can come

[14:22]to me but i also have a gate you come through this

[14:27]prophet for instance prophet jesus prophet muhammad the imams of al-bait these

[14:31]are gates to god because these people didn't sacrifice for god to

[14:36]go to heaven or to get anything materialistic they're above that they

[14:41]know god will reward them but that's not why they sacrificed they

[14:44]sacrificed out of genuine love for god so how does god honor

[14:50]them by giving them the power of intercession you can intercede for

[14:55]people i've appointed you as intercessors so in christianity intercession is really

[15:00]important and um you know the basically the basis of his intercession

[15:05]is jesus in islam we believe in the intercession of all prophets

[15:10]i can seek the intercession of prophet abraham he was pure and

[15:15]chosen by god prophet moses prophet jesus our prophet muhammad the imams

[15:23]of al-bait those whom god has given permission to because allah states

[15:27]in the holy quran who can intercede only the one who has

[15:35]permission from god so intercession means god is honoring those prophets for

[15:44]their sacrifices so god is symbolically saying yes worship me come to

[15:50]me but follow their teachings go through their gate and that also

[15:53]allows us to be close to these great prophets because when we

[15:59]seek their intercession we follow their example we know them more we

[16:02]better understand their teachings that's a great way to connect us to

[16:07]these amazing people that the almighty god has created by the way

[16:12]um another way of answering this objection those who say well i

[16:17]can speak to god directly why do you even have intercession when

[16:20]god decided to speak to us how did he speak to us

[16:25]did god speak to you directly i'm sure nobody you know should

[16:30]make that claim right god doesn't speak to us directly he sent

[16:34]scriptures he spoke to us through prophets right in other words the

[16:41]almighty god is basically saying just as i delivered to you my

[16:48]words through these great individuals prophets messiahs and imams if you worship

[16:53]me you worship me only i'm the one god but you go

[16:56]through the same means that i used to send my word to

[17:01]you that's the beauty of intercession that's the beauty of shafa in

[17:05]the religion of islam allah used muhammad and al-muhammad to communicate to

[17:10]us through the quran and hadith so we use muhammad and al-muhammad

[17:15]as our intercessors with allah we're using the same means that allah

[17:22]subhanahu ta'ala used that's the beauty of it and as the pastor

[17:27]said we have sins sometimes we're burdened with sins we go to

[17:30]god he's the source of all mercy but right but but sometimes

[17:34]you need a co-signer right that's the idea of intercession as well

[17:39]that when i resort to intercession i mention the name of jesus

[17:44]the name of the prophet the name of the imams of allah

[17:49]i'm saying oh allah they are so pure because of that status

[17:52]that you've given them forgive me honor them by forgiving me and

[17:57]that's why the holy quran states when the people oppress themselves and

[18:04]they commit sins they come to you o prophet they have to

[18:08]do two things to be forgiven one is to ask god for

[18:14]forgiveness he is our creator allah they ask allah for forgiveness what's

[18:19]the second condition and the messenger of god also asks god to

[18:27]forgive them that's intercession then they will find allah forgiving that's the

[18:33]beautiful concept of shafa so both religions agree on shafa'a christianity primarily

[18:39]focuses on jesus or whereas in islam we recognize jesus other prophets

[18:44]and the imams of al-bait all as intercessors who can intercede for

[18:48]us in this life and on the day of judgment thank you

[18:54]so another question so both muslims and christians believe that satan exists

[18:58]and yeah he's this and he's real so how do muslims hope

[19:04]he's not here with us in the hall so how do muslims

[19:08]and christians view satan and how do they think how do they

[19:10]combat his negative influences so from the the christian perspective satan would

[19:19]have originally been created as a pure angel an angel who was

[19:25]good and who would have been named lucifer and so he was

[19:27]considered an angel of light but as again as as christians would

[19:33]believe all of god's creatures have the freedom of choice and for

[19:37]whatever reason and this is debated among christian scholars uh lucifer became

[19:43]proud of hearts and in a sense the word is that he

[19:46]sought to set his throne above the throne of god so basically

[19:51]to to promote himself above god and so therefore god cast him

[19:56]out of heaven and and removed him from the place where he

[20:01]stood and so then you know satan ever since has set himself

[20:04]up to oppose god but primarily by opposing god's creation or people

[20:10]and seeking to make a mess out of creation and that he

[20:14]has done pretty well um as as we just we see the

[20:20]the constant wars the fighting and everything else that is so destructive

[20:23]among life so he would be the source of all of that

[20:26]and then what in the end we believe will happen is i

[20:30]guess we we believe that that satan's actually met jesus and tempted

[20:34]him to sin unsuccessfully so he he sought to offer the things

[20:41]that jesus was was after but to do it in an incorrect

[20:45]way and jesus successfully withstood the temptation of satan and at the

[20:50]end of time satan will come back in the form of of

[20:53]some sort of you know of a personality that will gather all

[20:59]of the forces of evil against god many people will actually believe

[21:03]that he is seeking to do good because he will deceive them

[21:05]he will gather all of these forces together to to resist god

[21:11]and to resist the people of god and at that time jesus

[21:13]will come back and with a simple word we'll say it's over

[21:18]and satan will be crushed and he will be dealt with forever

[21:24]and at that point jesus will start the judgments and we'll we'll

[21:28]set up the new kingdom which you know for eternal life which

[21:31]will no longer have any influence of satan whatsoever so then the

[21:36]second part of the question of so what do we do in

[21:40]the light of a world where where satan is alive and well

[21:43]and causing destruction the the best verse in the bible that that

[21:47]simplifies this is it says flee from temptation but resist the devil

[21:54]and so what that means is if you're in a place of

[21:58]of being tempted don't try to resist and say i'm i'm not

[22:00]going to fall into that it rather run so if there is

[22:06]something that is is tempting you whatever you know you have you

[22:09]know a temptation to steal for example rather than saying i'm going

[22:14]to stay here and and and just convince myself not to steal

[22:17]get out of there as quickly as possible and and get get

[22:20]out of reach of the temptation on the other hand you cannot

[22:25]flee from satan he's a little bit more mobile than we are

[22:28]and so therefore when it comes to satan we are to resist

[22:33]and so if if for example i have a welling up to

[22:36]hate somebody in my heart you know i i can't flee from

[22:41]that i can't run from that and and hope it just goes

[22:43]away i need to attack it straight on and say you know

[22:46]what is going on here god forgive me for this what is

[22:51]causing this realizing that that person is is beloved by god is

[22:54]created in the image of god that i am commanded not to

[22:58]to hate but to forgive and to resist that influence of satan

[23:01]and it says that when we resist satan will actually flee from

[23:06]us because he realizes that that he has no power over us

[23:10]that's wonderful from the islamic perspective we believe that satan shaytan iblis

[23:20]lucifer many names right he would mingle amongst the angels before the

[23:25]creation of adam but the quran tells us that he was not

[23:31]an angel he was from the jinn khan jin so he comes

[23:38]from the jinn um pastor would you call them demons in in

[23:41]christian thought yeah so he is the leader of the demons and

[23:46]you know the jinn you know they're like humans in the sense

[23:49]that they have the intellect they can see right from wrong but

[23:52]physically they're different they have very thin bodies and you know as

[23:54]you said they're very mobile so according to the quran iblis or

[24:00]shaitaan or satan was not an angel who deviated because we believe

[24:08]all angels are pure and they stay pure and they always obey

[24:10]the command of god he was a demon but god allowed him

[24:15]to ming amongst the mingle amongst the angels now the name of

[24:21]iblis or satan in our traditions is called azazil you know how

[24:27]you have different names for the angels his name was azazil and

[24:33]then after that once he deviated his name became iblis because through

[24:42]his arrogance and jealousy he caused himself to despair from the mercy

[24:47]of god so one of the names of satan in arabic is

[24:52]iblis which means to despair because he caused himself to despair from

[24:56]the forgiveness and the mercy of god he never asked god to

[24:57]forgive him he just insisted on his arrogance so what happened is

[25:03]after years of worshiping god with the angels he revealed his true

[25:12]colors when god commanded him to prostrate to adam he refused he

[25:18]said no i am better than him he became jealous i worshiped

[25:22]god all these years and suddenly this blob of clay is getting

[25:27]all the attention he couldn't stand that but that was his test

[25:31]that was his trial so that jealousy caused him to fail his

[25:37]test he became arrogant he rejected the command of god god told

[25:41]him this is my command i'm commanding you to prostrate to adam

[25:44]he said no i'm better than him you created me from fire

[25:49]and you've created him from clay and fire is better than clay

[25:52]this was his analogy this was his line of thinking so as

[25:56]a result of that god kicked him out from heaven he was

[26:00]no longer allowed to enter heaven and mingle with the pure angels

[26:06]of god imam ali alayhi salaam teaches us learn from what happened

[26:11]to iblees for so many years he worshipped god but because of

[26:16]one moment of arrogance he failed his trial learned from that and

[26:22]so we are to learn from the experience of satan some people

[26:24]ask if god is so pure and just why does he allow

[26:28]for satan to exist why would you allow for evil to exist

[26:31]god doesn't do anything evil so why did he create satan why

[26:36]did he allow him to exist it's for the purpose of that

[26:41]trial just like when you take a multiple choice exam there's a

[26:46]question four answers to truths from out of these four only one

[26:49]is right the others are wrong who put those wrong answers who

[26:53]put them the teacher the professor why for what purpose why do

[26:57]you put evil answers in a test right because anything that's wrong

[27:01]that's false you know you could say it's a type of evil

[27:05]why would you put you know wrong information in a test to

[27:09]test you that's the whole point to train you so god allowed

[27:14]satan to exist after he became arrogant even though god could have

[27:18]just annihilated him he's god he's all-powerful god chose to keep him

[27:25]existing in order to try humanity many times we claim i claim

[27:28]i'm good i love justice i love god show it i'll put

[27:32]you to the test earn it train yourself when you train yourself

[27:36]you earn something that's the beauty of this life trial so then

[27:43]satan made a deal with god he told him keep me until

[27:47]the day of judgment give me the powers let me do whatever

[27:50]i want god says i won't keep you until the day of

[27:54]judgment i'll keep you until the fixed day yawmin now god doesn't

[28:01]tell him exactly what that day is but he tells him on

[28:05]a fixed day i'll give you time a lot of time but

[28:06]before the day of judgment your time will be up if you

[28:11]repent you do good i'll forgive you god has always opened the

[28:18]room the door of forgiveness to to to satan if right now

[28:22]satan if right now satan asks god to forgive him and he

[28:26]changes his behavior the almighty god will forgive him in fact there's

[28:30]an interesting narration by the way it wasn't just jesus that satan

[28:33]would try to mess with according to our scriptures every single prophet

[28:37]he would try to tempt them or try to make them deviate

[28:40]so one day one of the prophets of god he manages to

[28:46]convince somehow satan to repent satan tells that prophet what do i

[28:55]have to do now to repent so he waits for revelation the

[28:57]revelation comes god tells the prophet tell him as a starting point

[29:02]go now to the grave of adam and prostrate i commanded you

[29:07]you missed that obligation you have now go and do that sujud

[29:13]and then we'll give you a new slate satan looked at the

[29:17]prophet he told him when he was alive i didn't prostrate to

[29:19]him now that he's six feet under you want me to prostrate

[29:24]to him forget it i'm not doing that but basically god genuinely

[29:28]gave him many chances to repent many chances till the day of

[29:35]judgment till the day that he is living here on earth he

[29:37]has a chance to repent but because of that jealousy because of

[29:42]that arrogance he doesn't want to repent so he made a deal

[29:44]with god you know keep me alive give me powers i will

[29:47]try to drag everyone to hell with me god told him no

[29:53]not my righteous servants you don't have power over them people who

[29:56]want to follow their evil desires and follow you okay you know

[29:59]it's a trial do whatever you want but my servants who are

[30:05]connected to me who pray to me who recognize me as their

[30:08]lord who seek my help they're sincere you have no authority over

[30:15]them try your best do whatever you want i will protect them

[30:18]and i will save them so that that is our trial now

[30:21]one of the tactics of shaytan is that he whispers to us

[30:24]as the quran states now that whisper means look be super cautious

[30:32]be very alert satan will come through discrete ways ways that you're

[30:38]not really expecting that's the idea behind the whisper it's not something

[30:41]loud that you'll quickly notice so all don't ever let your guard

[30:48]down you never know from which corner he's going to tempt you

[30:51]some people say you know i'm not a materialistic person i don't

[30:55]really care about money and these things and okay that's not how

[30:58]satan is going to pull you he'll find another way some people

[31:01]it's with money some people is with power some people it's with

[31:06]lust some people is with jealousy there are different ways that he

[31:09]tempts us so make sure you know what your weak spot is

[31:13]because that's where satan comes from it's discreet just like a whisper

[31:19]and that's why my dear brothers and sisters the beauty of the

[31:22]quran the very last chapter of the quran chapter 114 surat nas

[31:26]the phonetics of the surah the way every verse sounds indicates that

[31:32]it's discrete it's a discrete whisper because the theme of this chapter

[31:37]is the whispering devil who discreetly whispers to you now when you

[31:45]read this verse uh pastor even if uh you know you're not

[31:50]familiar with arabic just notice how the verses sound in arabic nasa

[32:01][Music] [Music] even if you have no clue what i said what

[32:18]did you notice here that s sound right these are called whispering

[32:24]letters in arabic allah uses these letters in this chapter just to

[32:33]alert you be careful shaytaan will use very discreet ways so you

[32:39]have to never let your guard down always be prepared it's a

[32:44]daily struggle it's a daily battle now some of you might think

[32:47]this is silly but it's really effective that positive self-reinforcement every morning

[32:52]when you wake up challenge satan tell him look i know today

[32:57]you want to bring me down you want me to fail but

[32:58]you can't because i'm connected to god just say that in the

[33:03]morning see how that day will be allah sometimes we think satan

[33:07]is more stronger than god he's just a creation of god now

[33:12]to conclude this question the pastor referred to the end of times

[33:16]and what happens to satan according to our scriptures when this the

[33:21]two saviors when they emerge which is the descendant of prophet muhammad

[33:30]and prophet jesus we believe that these two will come together to

[33:35]bring justice on earth so when the mahdi appears and when jesus

[33:42]comes back we believe that both of them will slay satan they

[33:45]will actually kill satan so he's out of the way now you

[33:50]just have your you know desires and temptations to work on that

[33:53]the trial of god doesn't end however it becomes a lot easier

[33:58]with satan out of the way so our belief is that before

[34:00]the day of judgment he will be killed by the mehdi and

[34:06]prophet jesus peace be upon them

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