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[0:02][Music] thank you good evening ladies and gentlemen welcome today it is

[0:23]the Christmas period and we all would like to know a lot

[0:29]of answers about Islam Christianity the Bible the Quran as well as

[0:33]many other topics such as the Holy Spirit as well as many

[0:36]more today it is a very very important day for me as

[0:40]I myself have always wondered the answers to these questions I'd happily

[0:45]love to introduce Dr nakshwani pleasure to meet you pleasure Dennis thank

[0:49]you so doctor what are your feelings on the Christmas period in

[0:54]the UK considering you have lived your majority of your life in

[0:57]what traditionally has been a majority Christian country I've absolutely loved the

[1:02]Christmas spirit in the UK I think I've loved the Christmas period

[1:05]everywhere I've traveled um I don't know about you but like you

[1:08]associate the Christmas period with those films we used to watch when

[1:14]we were younger you know um there were certain films which normally

[1:17]tend to be stage somewhere in New York or London and there's

[1:22]this really romantic story or sometimes there's this really emotional story and

[1:28]how Santa comes to you know save the day and then all

[1:32]of a sudden you're introduced to the elves and snow and the

[1:36]helpers and someone I think I was home alone if I'm not

[1:39]mistaken a Christmas uh special you know and and so when I

[1:46]when I think back to Christmas I think of being around my

[1:49]parents at a young age or School holiday time um and you

[1:55]know being around my siblings and just knowing as a child that

[2:01]you could wake up late you knew that Christmas Day and boxing

[2:05]day um you know what two days where you had holidays uh

[2:09]so it's always been special I I really could never say anything

[2:15]was negative in my upbringing um in the UK when it came

[2:21]to the Christmas period I absolutely loved it and I must admit

[2:24]I still do you know people may look at me and say

[2:26]well this you know he's he's a Muslim uh scholar or you

[2:31]know he's someone who gives lectures on Islam I'm pretty happy with

[2:37]the fact that I was raised in the UK because it allowed

[2:41]me to see this wonderful social pluralism where you could see the

[2:49]Muslims celebrate Aid the Christians celebrate Christmas the Jews celebrate Hanukkah the

[2:54]Hindu celebrate Diwali and that I think builds a world where you're

[3:02]away from ignorance you appreciate each other's history and Heritage and culture

[3:08]if it had been back home yes we have a Christian Community

[3:11]in Iraq but I don't think it would have been exactly the

[3:16]same so my experiences and my memories of Christmas have always been

[3:20]fond and you know I I cherish them and I treasure them

[3:28]yeah do you feel it's uh cultural celebration now or is it

[3:34]still intertwined with religion well if it is a cultural celebration I

[3:39]don't think there's a problem with that um you know religion has

[3:43]a place for culture a Christian who's living in South America May

[3:49]celebrate Christmas in a different way to one who lives in Canada

[3:52]a Christian who lives in India May celebrate Christmas in a different

[3:59]way to one who lives in parts of West Africa culture if

[4:02]it's about for example uh uh eating different foods on Christmas day

[4:07]that's not a problem and I eat if you go to a

[4:10]Pakistani household the addition Aid is going to be different from the

[4:13]dish in an Iraqi household but the principle is all the same

[4:17]and that principle is of course uh the the festival culture in

[4:21]the sense that yeah possibly if someone says are there now more

[4:24]non-believing Christians or non-believing ex-christians who celebrate Christmas yes possibly there may

[4:35]be people in your own family who who don't believe in church

[4:38]and Christ and everything anymore but Christmas time is like everyone's got

[4:42]to come home um yeah I do believe that it has gone

[4:47]in that direction one may argue uh one may argue that some

[4:49]of us think about Christmas as a great period um I've seen

[4:54]in some circles in the world to have a drink or to

[4:58]marry make or to go to the best parties but they'll tell

[5:00]you all we're gonna have a Christmas party but that Christmas party

[5:02]is far away from the ethics of Christ you know what most

[5:07]people remember what they've done their Christmas party but there are some

[5:10]who haven't got a clue because they were so drunk that they

[5:13]can't even remember now Christmas we're trying to celebrate the birth of

[5:18]this phenomenal personality at least in in Christian circles and yet maybe

[5:23]if it is taken too much as a cultural thing then you

[5:28]end up forgetting the principles of the man you're honoring what I

[5:32]would hope is that if people celebrate Christmas in different cultural ways

[5:37]they don't forget the central message of how Jesus lived how Jesus

[5:41]talked how Jesus walked how Jesus preached that's that is the Christmas

[5:46]that we should be looking for um so if someone tells me

[5:50]yes is it cultural now I'd say if people celebrate it in

[5:53]different cultural ways no problem but if it's just become this thing

[5:57]of well it's an excuse for us to get drunk then we're

[5:59]forgetting the message of the man who it's honoring yeah yeah absolutely

[6:05]I think um a lot of people kind of uh forgot that

[6:08]it's uh an actual celebration of Jesus birth and not just an

[6:13]excuse to give gifts sure sure and look at the end of

[6:14]the day when are All Saints on this Earth we all need

[6:19]a reminder you know let's not sit here and say Muslims when

[6:21]it comes to Aid aren't also going to the odd party and

[6:24]clubbing with a bit of drink as well there are some Muslims

[6:28]who have you know Miss the point of uh of AIDS um

[6:31]and this can happen but ultimately it's our role to try and

[6:36]remind one another that hey come on you know Christmas it's a

[6:38]great time but have you ever reflected on Christ's teachings this year

[6:42]at all can his teachings help change the world that we live

[6:47]in so hopefully that type of Brotherhood and camaraderie can come back

[6:50]between all of us Jesus birth is uh the focal point of

[6:54]Christmas and uh his birth is also very much mentioned in the

[6:59]Quran can you elaborate how the Quran describes his birth yeah the

[7:05]Quran describes his birth one may argue in more depth than the

[7:10]Bible uh there are differences in the stories but I think the

[7:16]central point is that Jesus is born without a father his mother

[7:21]is of course the Virgin Mary um and we believe that it

[7:27]was a very difficult period for a lady to come out in

[7:30]the middle of the community and say uh by the way I'm

[7:36]pregnant and no man has touched me if someone said that to

[7:39]you today you'll be like uh are you okay or as some

[7:45]of those um priests did of the children of Israel they begun

[7:49]to even possibly throw below the belt comments about you possibly messing

[7:55]about but we didn't expect that from you you know your parents

[7:59]were really really moral people so what the Quran does is that

[8:05]the Quran allows us to see in chapter 3 and chapter 19

[8:10]of the Quran chapter 3 is known as the family of Imran

[8:13]Maryam is the daughter of Imran so Chapter 3 of the Quran

[8:20]is called Imran the family of Imran and it's telling us about

[8:25]Imran and about his wife Imran and his wife they make a

[8:31]pledge to God that they are gonna dedicate whatever is in his

[8:38]wife's womb to the Lord and the Lord promises them that they're

[8:43]gonna have in their progeny a messiah a prophet of God but

[8:48]when the mom gives birth to Mary she's like hold on a

[8:50]minute God said we're going to have a messiah and like you

[8:53]know the she's a female and Messiahs are males so the the

[8:56]quranic story of of Jesus begins with his grandparents um but what

[9:03]they didn't know is that Mary was gonna be the one who

[9:07]gives birth to Christ um and so when she wants to give

[9:13]birth to Christ she's got the rabbis of the children of Israel

[9:17]who already know that she is held in high esteem because she

[9:22]was afforded you know a section of the temple for worship which

[9:25]was very unusual in those days because the female normally would not

[9:28]be in in the synagogue or and even in the mosque in

[9:33]reality to be the central um uh place of worship was mainly

[9:39]a male thing it wasn't really a female thing and so the

[9:43]rabbis are absolutely baffled what do you mean you're pregnant what do

[9:47]you mean you're giving birth what's going on here and this is

[9:51]a very difficult time for Mary I gave a lecture once on

[9:53]mental health and I said if ever you want to see how

[9:58]it's okay to talk about anguish pressure anxiety then look in the

[10:03]Quran when Mary says I wish that I had died and I

[10:07]was completely forgotten because how am I going to explain that I'm

[10:12]gonna give birth and I don't even have a husband and I

[10:13]don't even have a man in my life but what's wonderful in

[10:17]that chapter is that for those who think about mental health is

[10:20]that God says listen in your most difficult times the whole community

[10:24]may accuse you the whole community may neglect you your friends may

[10:28]leave you I'll be there for you and he tells her that

[10:32]listen you're gonna have to try in this period to fast a

[10:36]fast of silence and Islam normally fast things to stay away from

[10:40]food and drink but in this fasting it's to stay it's to

[10:45]remain silent and then point to that baby now you've got to

[10:48]have some intense faith to point to a baby and the baby

[10:55]will speak and literally when she points to Christ begins to speak

[10:59]and in in in the chapter in the Quran chapter 19 it's

[11:04]very clear that you know he says I'm a servant of God

[11:07]a huge line in the Quran and very different to the lines

[11:13]of uh the Bible you know you've got you've got Christ over

[11:20]here saying I am a servant of God not son not God

[11:24]in the Abdullah I am a servant of God he has given

[11:30]me the book and made me a Prof a prophet again not

[11:35]son not father servant prophet was and he has made me blessed

[11:46]wherever I may be and he has enjoined upon me prayer clearly

[11:52]not God again who are you praying to and he's enjoined upon

[11:58]me to pay the poor right to be your duties to my

[12:06]mom which is fundamental for him and he has not made me

[12:11]someone indecent or insolent so look at my description like it's really

[12:14]a deep description the pressure of a mum to give birth as

[12:19]a virgin in the face of the rabbis of the children of

[12:21]Israel full of accusations that she's clearly committed an adulterous act pointing

[12:25]to a baby a baby speaking from the cradle which we don't

[12:28]have in Christian circles so that is how the Quran goes into

[12:33]depth in terms of Jesus's birth um so the Quran mentions many

[12:40]of the prophets in the bible could you accuse the Quran of

[12:45]taking stories from the Bible and forming a new faith if all

[12:49]those stories were the same then one might have this argument but

[12:57]I I don't think even the stories are exactly the same so

[13:00]let's take the example of three prophets in the bible well true

[13:04]prophets and the righteous man in the Christian circles but for us

[13:09]he's a prophet and that is lot David and Noah all right

[13:14]so these are three huge figures Lots with Sodom and Gomorrah David

[13:19]of course the general um and leader of the Army and the

[13:26]king and Noah who's one of God's greatest Messengers you know Noah's

[13:28]Ark the flood and so on if you look in the Bible

[13:32]when we're looking at Noah Noah Noah ends up as someone drunk

[13:36]there's no way if that the Quran would ever come to a

[13:42]conclusion that a man who's sent by God would be a drunker

[13:44]than the vineyard for example foreign David commits adultery with the wife

[13:54]of the general of his army because he is infatuated by her

[13:57]the Quran would never ever lead us to that direction not because

[14:02]everybody in his community is seen as being of the same gender

[14:07]you know Community lot and the Bible sleeps with his daughters because

[14:15]there's no men every all the men are sleeping with one another

[14:17]so in the Bible nebul sleeps with his daughters whereas when we're

[14:24]looking in the in the Quran again no so if someone wants

[14:30]to say the Quran stories are copying the Bible I just showed

[14:34]you how Jesus's birth story is definitely not copying the Bible and

[14:38]how David Noah and lot to one Messengers or prophets um I

[14:44]should say in Dubai in the Bible um lot is the righteous

[14:49]person the other two are prophets in the Quran these are all

[14:50]prophets if not messengers of God and again their stories differ but

[14:55]also secondly I'd like to mention that couldn't someone have come and

[15:01]said that the Bible was a copy of the Torah that you

[15:03]know someone could say that you know what those were what the

[15:07]the New Testament were using what had come before them with the

[15:11]Jewish community again all we're really seeing is that there is a

[15:15]line of Messengers that are sent by God but if you're really

[15:18]saying that they try to copy from one another no such a

[15:20]thing we do not believe in and as you know there are

[15:24]parts of the Quran that reject some of the main principles which

[15:27]are within the Bible yeah was there a Christian Community at the

[15:31]time of the Prophet Muhammad yes there's a Christian Community at the

[15:36]time of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family living in

[15:40]Medina um so the prophet spends the last 10 years of his

[15:44]life in Medina um and there was a Christian Community there but

[15:49]they also were mainly for example in areas like najiran there is

[15:55]a very famous incident in Islamic history known as the mobile hella

[16:02]is when the Christians of Nigerian going towards the Saudi Yemen border

[16:08]they came to meet the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in

[16:11]his family it was in the year known as the year of

[16:15]delegations up to that point the Arabs didn't name years by a

[16:18]number it was the year of the most important event that had

[16:24]taken place so in the year when the elephant came to attack

[16:26]the cat but they used to call that the year of the

[16:29]elephant and then the year when delegations for example would would come

[16:35]to visit the prophet was called the year of delegations delegation of

[16:39]Christians came to visit the prophet Muhammad peace be Obama's family and

[16:42]they had heard that this man claims that he's the Messiah and

[16:46]so what happens is that they come and ask him a series

[16:53]of questions who's Moses his father he says Imran who's ishmael's father

[17:00]he says Abraham who's Joseph's father he says Jacob who's Jesus father

[17:12]he said he doesn't have one so they said it must be

[17:19]God then and that's where he replies to them well if Jesus

[17:22]not having a father means God must be his father why doesn't

[17:27]Adam become the son of God Adam did not have a father

[17:31]or a mother and so this is described in Chapter 3 of

[17:35]the Quran verse 59 61.

[17:38]the Quran in that same chapter a few verses later says o

[17:44]people of the book meaning all Jews and Christians come to a

[17:48]joint word between one another now why would it say all people

[17:52]the book unless they were Christians and Jews who were living there

[17:55]at the time is normally known in our communities as a discussion

[17:58]of the Jewish and the Christian Community because they both had a

[18:01]book revealed unto them you know in the case of the Christian

[18:07]Community we talk of the injean and in the case of the

[18:08]Jewish Community we talk of the Torah yep so the Quran alludes

[18:15]to the fact that there's a Christian Community Living in Arabia at

[18:19]the time Muslims are interacting with them there's discussions about the food

[18:26]of the people of the book as well and you know how

[18:29]permissible it is and so on and so forth so there's many

[18:33]discussions quranically on this so the injure it is mentioned in the

[18:39]Quran and in the Bible in English so what can you tell

[18:42]us about the Muslims view on the Christian text yeah interesting one

[18:51]well when we look at the Bible in Islamic circles we obviously

[18:57]believe that God taught the Torah and the injil um to Jesus

[19:08]and when we're therefore looking at the Bible today we understand that

[19:16]the first five books of the Old Testament in relation to understanding

[19:21]the the Torah and of course we look at the New Testament

[19:26]and we see for example that which is seemingly written of course

[19:34]many years uh after Christ had left this world as you know

[19:41]that there's the four main books of the New Testament uh Matthew

[19:45]Mark Luke and uh John and Matthew Mark and Luke are known

[19:53]as the synoptics because a lot of their details are similar whereas

[19:58]there is a difference clearly with John's portrayal of history and the

[20:02]events that have taken place that for us is one of the

[20:09]clearest signs that the Bible that we have today is not necessarily

[20:12]that which was with Christ there's a couple of major debates here

[20:17]in Muslim circles mind you number one is the injil a book

[20:23]given to Christ or a set of teachings that were to help

[20:31]his mission and that his actions become the Bible because remember we

[20:36]said that the Bible is written by Matthew Mark Luke John you

[20:41]know and of course you know the majority of the Bible is

[20:46]the word of Paul uh Paul is somebody who has never met

[20:49]Christ except through a sudden vision of Christ where he um where

[20:56]he he having persecuted the early Christians um he was a he

[21:02]was a Jew who persecuted the early Christians and he sees this

[21:06]vision of Paul of of Christ and Christ is you know asking

[21:11]him in reality that you know why are you doing this to

[21:15]our people Paul not only converts so if now today someone converts

[21:19]to Islam it's one thing but to have like a great portion

[21:24]of the Bible with chapters named after your letters because you read

[21:28]in the Bible Paul's letter to Corinthians Paul's letter to you know

[21:32]all of these different areas for us that means that the Bible

[21:37]the details differ between the synoptics and John Paul is somebody who

[21:44]who hasn't met Christ but all of a sudden is writing what

[21:46]Christianity is that's why we believe as Muslims that there has been

[21:55]tampering done with the original texts if you're telling me Christ wrote

[22:03]the Bible I'd go more with the idea of originality even though

[22:05]we don't believe the prophet Muhammad wrote the Quran if the prophet

[22:10]Muhammad for us the prophet Muhammad receives Revelations from God which he

[22:15]dictates to his companions to write but for you to tell me

[22:20]that Jesus after he had lived on this Earth disciples of his

[22:25]and Companions of theirs and then people who've come after them become

[22:32]the main names and the chapters of the Bible that for us

[22:36]highlights that tempering has taken place tampering there is a debate tampering

[22:40]in meaning or tempering in the text itself some Scholars said the

[22:45]text itself has clearly been tampered and that the Bible we have

[22:48]today is not the same as the original one some Scholars said

[22:52]no the meaning of what was intended is what has been tampered

[22:57]with yeah the Quran in the Bible both reference to Jesus and

[23:03]the Holy Spirit or ruhola the Quran also references Mary what may

[23:08]the most significant versus discussing her being well Spirit of course you

[23:16]know the Holy Spirit plays a huge role in Christianity and there

[23:19]are many Christians there comes a point where you can't discuss with

[23:22]a Christian much further because if the Christian says the Holy Spirit

[23:26]has touched me I can't really then say okay let me debate

[23:29]the Holy Spirit um for us of course what comes in the

[23:32]context of Christ not having Our Father God replies by saying I

[23:40]create a spirit and breathe it into all creation what would be

[23:44]the difference here Adam where's his father there's no father to Adam

[23:48]if Adam's the first human where's his father so what does God

[23:51]do create a spirit breathe into that clay or that body and

[23:57]then it becomes likewise so when we say Jesus is the spirit

[23:59]of God doesn't mean Jesus is Father Son and Holy Spirit rather

[24:04]it means that God created a spirit and placed it in the

[24:10]womb of Mary in the same way God created a spirit on

[24:11]that piece of clay that originally was Adam Mary is mentioned more

[24:17]in the Quran than she's mentioned in the Bible Mary is mentioned

[24:21]as one of the women of paradise some Muslim Scholars discuss that

[24:27]there are four women of Jannah asked the other wife of pharaoh

[24:32]who he ended up killing because she believed in Moses Mary the

[24:36]mother of Jesus Khadijah the wife of the Prophet Muhammad peace of

[24:40]the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his family for us

[24:46]Mary the Quran shows you how high she is that some Scholars

[24:48]believed she reached the level of being a prophet yes so in

[24:52]Islam we normally talk of 124 000 prophets of God yeah but

[24:57]we always talk on male prophets in the Quran there's an indication

[25:03]that Mary was a prophetess how when the Quran says uh that

[25:10]Gabriel spoke to Mary now for an angel to speak to somebody

[25:15]must mean that they are at the highest level possible Angel spoke

[25:20]to Muhammad he's a prophet Christ he's a prophet Moses is a

[25:25]prophet Noah is a prophet Abraham is why is it then when

[25:27]he speaks to Mary we can't call her a prophet so yeah

[25:32]Mary is seen at the highest level within Islamic thought for sure

[25:37]the chapter 2 verse 62 in the Quran and if you could

[25:43]please read it uh God mentions how Jews Christians and Muslims cannot

[25:47]go to heaven does this advocate for quranic pluralism chapter 2 verse

[25:56]62 of the Holy Quran foreign those who believe and the Jews

[26:12]and the Christians and the sabians whoever believes in God on the

[26:19]day of judgment and does Good Deeds God will reward them and

[26:24]that they should not fear nor should they grieve about the day

[26:29]of judgment now this verse is interesting because the verse is saying

[26:33]those who believe and those Jews and Christians whoever of them believes

[26:40]in God energy of judgment they'll go to heaven this raised the

[26:44]question can we all go to heaven Muslims Christians and Jews because

[26:51]the chapter chapter 2 verse 62.

[26:52]is saying that all of us whoever of us believe in God

[26:58]and the day of judgment we can all end up going to

[27:01]heaven and that we have nothing to fear on the day of

[27:04]judgment and you're right that raises a question about quranic pluralism does

[27:10]the Quran Advocate that the yahood and the nasara of Christ or

[27:15]the nazareness by means the Christians and the Muslims all go to

[27:22]heaven some commentators have reached that conclusion others said that no such

[27:27]a verse has to be looked at contextually if I was a

[27:33]new Muslim living in Medina my parents were Christians my parents were

[27:38]Jews I'm gonna ask the prophet Muhammad a question what's going to

[27:42]happen to my parents on day of judgment um I'm a convert

[27:47]but I'm always thinking about my parents what have they got it

[27:49]wrong and I go right are they going to go to hell

[27:52]it seems that the verse is saying those who believe and those

[27:58]Jews who believe that Moses is true word and those Christians who

[28:02]didn't tamper with Jesus is true because remember if I'm a Christian

[28:06]Living in the time of Christ and I don't believe in the

[28:07]Trinity and I don't believe that he's the son of God then

[28:10]I'm literally believing what Islam believes hmm those people it seems that

[28:17]this is who the verse refers to now why do I say

[28:18]that I say that also because if the Quran said those who

[28:26]believe the Jews the Christians they'll all go to heaven so why

[28:29]is the Quran making a point to attack some of the beliefs

[28:32]of Jews and Christians number two why is the Quran even coming

[28:35]if you're a Jew and a Christian that you're already on the

[28:38]path why does the Quran have to bring another message so those

[28:44]who discuss pluralism will always look at verses like this and I

[28:49]just don't believe there's enough in these verses what I do believe

[28:52]however is a person who follows the path of the Oneness of

[29:00]God and truly looks for the path to Salvation how they reach

[29:06]it what circumstances get in their way ultimately that is only God's

[29:09]decision about what he's seen with them if I'm somebody who the

[29:16]only Islam that I've seen is Isis why would I convert I'm

[29:19]looking at barbaric people beheading people bombing places why would I convert

[29:26]I can come to God on the day of judgment and say

[29:29]you wanted me to convert to a religion of Isis I don't

[29:33]think it's just a matter of labels on the day of judgment

[29:36]I think it's a matter of circumstances and contexts you me a

[29:40]good Muslim you want to become someone interested in Islam but if

[29:45]you had met a bad Muslim you just be like keep these

[29:47]guys away from me I hate them you don't know what they

[29:48]did to me but when you meet a good one you're like

[29:51]no I actually like this guy I like his parents I like

[29:53]his family they're very welcoming and so on so forth so salvation

[29:57]while these verses may not give this complete pluralism they still do

[30:04]indicate that belief in the Oneness of God and searching for the

[30:06]truth are vital yeah with all these commonalities why do we see

[30:13]so much uh hate and division so many wars Crusades between Islam

[30:18]Judaism Christianity oh who told you that Muslims that the helm Are

[30:26]all uh Believers want hypocritical in their behaviors and who told you

[30:31]that their intentions are purely for God and not for certain deals

[30:35]under the table um any any religion and any religious figure who

[30:40]claims to be speaking on behalf of those prophets of God or

[30:45]claims to be saying that I'm God's word on Earth they can

[30:48]all be tempted by Satan they can all be affected one way

[30:52]or the other so when you arrive in saying that Islam and

[30:54]Christianity they have so many commonalities and yet we see in our

[31:00]history Bloodshed between each other we see now history Crusades people killing

[31:04]each other then in a way we might have missed the point

[31:07]of what religion was teaching or we may have just been using

[31:13]religion when it suited us I need to get hold of that

[31:16]territory you know what let me say that these people hate Christ

[31:20]that will raise a group of patriotic army soldiers to go and

[31:25]demolish them I need to get hold of that country or conquer

[31:30]that country let me say that they don't just they don't respect

[31:35]the prophet Muhammad then my hungry soldiers will go and butcher them

[31:37]I need to acquire some power so what I'm gonna end up

[31:45]doing is I'm gonna give this speech about how the Christians are

[31:48]torturing the Muslims and that if you find the Christian anywhere in

[31:52]the world make sure you take them out and look at Bosnia

[31:57]and Serbia look at what happened and you know look at other

[32:00]areas where they've been battles would you accept that your sister gets

[32:06]killed by a Serbian Soldier sometimes the imams of the mosques and

[32:10]the priests of the mosque you're volatile lectures that fuel these things

[32:15]so sometimes it's not about what the religion teaches it's about how

[32:19]the follower wants to interpret it for their own needs why does

[32:27]Islam not Advocate the original sin well because we believe Adam was

[32:35]born pure original sin was the idea Adam eats from the apple

[32:42]tree and because of that we're all born Sinners so Islam says

[32:46]let's ask one question what was Adam born before that day I'm

[32:50]gonna be more than sinner because he still hasn't met no apple

[32:55]tree so if Adam is born pure that means everybody else is

[33:00]born cool everybody has the ability to sin so when a Christian

[33:05]comes to me and says Jesus died for our sins I'm like

[33:07]firstly I don't know why I'm being accused of a crime that

[33:12]took place in Chicago I was not there in that Garden so

[33:14]why am I being accused or why am I being born a

[33:18]sinner when I wasn't even there in that fatal incident secondly poor

[33:23]and and pure and if he has committed this sin as some

[33:26]people want to say well what's that got to do with me

[33:31]I'm just another human like him and we're both born pure and

[33:33]we both have this ability to sin and we have to learn

[33:36]from those examples it's very easy for Muslims to look at that

[33:39]and just say that no we're all born as pure humans yeah

[33:43]yeah does the Quran mention the plight of early Christian is there

[33:51]any discussion of the disciples yeah so the Quran mentions the disciples

[33:58]are mentioned especially in chapters like um chapter known as the table

[34:08]spread sort of five of the Quran these disciples have some very

[34:12]interesting conversations with Christ where they start telling him things like you

[34:16]know bring us food from Heaven you know and things like this

[34:20]and you there's a warning from God that listen you guys questioning

[34:23]my Prophet are you not certain about him um and we have

[34:29]discussions of the disciples within our literature as well um in the

[34:33]Quran the Quran discusses persecuted Christian committees there's a whole there's a

[34:38]whole beginning or or introduction to a chapter chapter 85 of the

[34:42]Quran foreign the constellations there's there's the first if I my memory

[34:50]serves me correct at least first five six seven verses are talking

[34:52]about how those Christians living in Yemen were being well literally the

[34:56]victims of a holocaust by the Jews now normally Holocaust is mentioned

[35:03]that the Jews were the victims of a Holocaust in World War

[35:05]II but many people don't know that Christians were the victims of

[35:07]a Jewish Holocaust in Yemen and this is discussed in chapter 85

[35:18]of the Holy Quran Disciples of Christ being um being mocked being

[35:22]tortured as mentioned in chapter 36 of the Holy Quran so yeah

[35:25]there's a number of discussions about Christ's disciples about their messages about

[35:29]how they went to different lands but also about how they were

[35:32]persecuted in the Hadith traditions there's some there's some really really difficult

[35:39]Traditions to take about how Christ's companions were sword because of their

[35:46]belief in him sore you know the sore when you you're on

[35:51]your in your garden and you saw the wood they were sword

[35:55]because they believed in Jesus and so the traditions of the family

[36:02]of the Prophet discuss how if you really want to know about

[36:05]meaning of tests in life and trial look at Jesus's companions they

[36:09]were literally tortured because they held on to him yeah and why

[36:15]is Jesus being the Son of God something that Islam Rejects for

[36:23]us this idea of the Son of God even if I look

[36:27]at it biblically doesn't add up in the Bible um there are

[36:33]people like David who are called the Son of God those who

[36:37]come towards the path of God are called the sons of God

[36:40]um no and the Quran is very clear on its firm belief

[36:43]in monotheism God does not have a wife God does not have

[36:49]children hence there is a chapter called tawheed monotheism and it says

[36:54]say God is one he is needless he does not beget nor

[37:02]is he begotten and there is none like him um and those

[37:04]who came and said that Jesus must be the son because he

[37:08]has no father again we said earlier and say well why am

[37:12]I not the son of God I have no father so why

[37:16]can't you call me the son of God you know uh and

[37:20]you know therefore for us Jesus has the highest distinction and honors

[37:25]as being one of the Ole Azam prophets one of the arch

[37:29]prophets of God as being the messenger of God as being a

[37:34]servant of God but um you know we reject that this idea

[37:38]that if he speaks of the father that means that it's a

[37:46]literal biological father you know yeah now back to Christmas there has

[37:51]been an increase in Muslims in the west having Christmas trees and

[37:53]having turkey on Christmas Day what do Muslim Scholars say about this

[37:59]yeah well Christmas trees certainly um you know are not part of

[38:05]our practice um you know if you're gonna have someone bring a

[38:10]turkey and cook some food related to Christmas as a family there's

[38:14]no problem in that but when we start to bring symbols which

[38:17]I think even Christianity will look at a Christmas tree and say

[38:22]that's not exactly original Christianity so forget Islam authentic Christianity had no

[38:28]such thing as a Christmas tree now if I want to follow

[38:33]Christianity to the T then I'd want to follow Christ to the

[38:35]T I don't want to follow certain aspects of Christianity Christmas Christ's

[38:41]birth while there is so much positives and Beauty about it so

[38:44]that aspects are from Pagan you know practices let's let's face the

[38:48]facts there are Christians who have written Pages upon pages on how

[38:52]some of these things were you know the Santa Clauses and you

[38:57]know um the the Christmas tree um even Christ's birth being on

[39:02]the December the 25th so a lot of these things started to

[39:05]be introduced Chris Christ being the Son of God and his relation

[39:08]to the way Romans were viewing the son and of God and

[39:12]so on so you know for us as Muslims Innovations are something

[39:17]we don't want to practice Muslim Innovations are things that we don't

[39:22]want to practice let alone taking an innovation of another religion and

[39:25]putting it in our life I know some Muslims get disappointed because

[39:33]the fact that we live as a diaspora in a non-muslim majority

[39:39]country means that that this period is a festive period and you

[39:45]know sometimes people want to enjoy this period sometimes people are a

[39:47]bit bored at home as well and you're just looking to do

[39:49]something different because life has no meaning at the moment but for

[39:53]us no the practice is like the tree and this should not

[39:57]be anywhere near a Muslim household our children already have enough challenges

[40:01]with the athaya with their belief and ideological system for us to

[40:06]then bring in a mix-up of what's what now in their lives

[40:11]yeah do you think there will ever be a time where Christians

[40:13]celebrate Eid well it's interesting because when Muslims want to bring these

[40:16]Christmas trees home I don't think I'm going to see a Christian

[40:19]Come To Hide A Prayer nor do I think I'm going to

[40:23]see Christians come and put Aid Mubarak on their door so I

[40:26]don't know why Muslims are trying to beg it so much you

[40:30]know um it's nice to wish people Merry Christmas you know if

[40:33]I see a Christian in Christmas Merry Christmas to you Happy New

[40:36]Year I hope this year brings blessings I'll even take them possibly

[40:41]a card a gift they're my neighbors and they have rights over

[40:45]me but you know the way Christianity or Christians are not going

[40:49]to come and celebrate Aid I don't know why the Muslim feels

[40:53]like they have to try and fit in Christians certainly I don't

[40:57]think we'll be celebrating I eat anytime soon but they'll tell you

[40:59]I ain't Mubarak and I think that's enough between the two religions

[41:02]in all honesty I'd rather we sat and had scriptural reasoning and

[41:07]discussions about our books and literature rather than just say here's some

[41:13]crackers or something yeah how important is it to have an Interfaith

[41:20]dialogue and discussions between the religions today uh this used to be

[41:26]an Evangelical extreme reading on both sides at the moment where in

[41:30]its parts North America and even the subcontinent for both religious members

[41:36]yeah it's more important than ever before in all honesty it's more

[41:40]important than ever before because you're right some of that hate speech

[41:45]you could see in the U.S for example there are some people

[41:50]who do come on certain media outlets now Muhammad's this Islams this

[41:54]and that they actually say that they go to the church on

[41:57]Sunday it's not like you're saying this is someone who's an atheist

[42:00]and he hates God and religion it's Christian and you know it'll

[42:03]happily come on Fox and say that you know what these Muslims

[42:08]are this and they're terrorists and so on and the only way

[42:11]we can move forward Dennis like you said is Interfaith dialogue we

[42:15]have to have days where we visit each other's places of worship

[42:19]we have to get to know each other's Heritage more especially living

[42:23]in in Western society and I think you know there have been

[42:26]pioneers of this who have done some amazing work in the last

[42:32]30 40 50 years um one of our own teachers has always

[42:36]been involved in Interfaith dialogue between um Christianity and Islam look the

[42:44]biggest problem that exists between Muslims and Christians Muslims don't read Christians

[42:51]don't read Muslims follow a religion in many cases not all but

[42:55]in many cases because their parents are Muslim and they were born

[42:58]into that if their mom was called I don't know Sita they

[43:03]would be Hindu and if their mom was called Jenny may have

[43:05]been Christian and if their mom for example was called whatever Elizabeth

[43:11]may have been Jewish many Muslims are only living Islam because their

[43:15]parents are Muslim and they were born Muslim many at the moment

[43:18]are not interested in reading about Islam you'll hardly see many picking

[43:23]up a book before they go to sleep to increase the depth

[43:25]of themselves as humans human the depth of the human being is

[43:30]what the depth of the human being comes from reading comes from

[43:38]understanding comes from going further and if that's not going to be

[43:41]there in the Muslim Community or in the Christian Community and we're

[43:44]just going to continue our lives just saying well listen I'm Christian

[43:47]I don't want to really hear about anyone else's beliefs I'm not

[43:50]interested in listening to anything else that could cause major problems that's

[43:52]not going to cause growth in our communities when however we're willing

[43:58]to read our literature and I appreciate the literature of others there's

[44:02]no harm me reading Augustine there's no harm me reading Aquinas there's

[44:06]no harm me understanding um different movements of Christianity and their conception

[44:12]of ethics for example or law there's no harm in there it

[44:17]builds a better Society in fact yeah I'd have to say I

[44:21]definitely see a lot of divide especially currently well here's the thing

[44:25]um as you can clearly see in the news especially now there's

[44:28]a lot of talk about Afghanistan yep and the whole issue of

[44:33]the US with their incursion and then same thing with Iraq they

[44:37]come in practically preaching that uh we are here to save you

[44:42]and then the people fight back because they don't want to be

[44:44]saved but then at the same time there's many issues around the

[44:47]world that are just people misunderstanding each other they don't want they're

[44:52]ignorant and that comes from all sides but uh definitely recently I've

[44:57]definitely noticed a lot of uh even hate towards one another yeah

[45:01]that hate us there it's increased there are parts of Europe that

[45:07]hates Islam unfortunately you could go to Norway and see some real

[45:11]hate of Islam but you could also see love in the country

[45:13]and that's why we don't want to generalize you could go to

[45:17]parts of Scandinavia Norway Sweden Denmark you can have the most wonderful

[45:21]people there and you could have people who just can't stand Islam

[45:23]and sometimes it's because of the Muslim but sometimes the media also

[45:29]has a responsibility the media loves to choose people who represent the

[45:34]most extreme of that religion because it sells um and that media

[45:41]social Consciousness and that conscience must be alive otherwise Society is dead

[45:47]could you see that Eid has become a more cultural than a

[45:52]religious Festival like some people would say about Christmas any festival for

[45:59]any religion depends on in my opinion your world view in the

[46:04]lead up to that day if your worldview and the lead up

[46:09]to Christmas is I can't wait to invite all our friends we're

[46:12]going to have food we're going to celebrate then it just becomes

[46:16]a party or another celebration true that's all that becomes a party

[46:24]or another celebration if however it become if it's uh yeah you

[46:28]know what I've had a good month of Ramadan I fasted I've

[46:33]I've prayed in Ramadan I'm gonna continue this is a New Year's

[46:37]resolution then that day of Eid becomes a day of success yeah

[46:39]you know what brilliant 30 nights I was tempted to break my

[46:45]fast I was tempted shaytan was telling me no need to praise

[46:48]Salah just once you don't have any Muslims fast and don't pray

[46:50]uh personally from uh going to school here I've I've met a

[46:55]lot yeah and I will say that that's the thing it's crazy

[46:57]yeah they flossed but they don't pray it is one of the

[47:04]most absurd combinations I've ever come across and something which they actually

[47:08]have reached a level of taking it for granted Ramadan by the

[47:11]way the month of Ramadan is the month where you can't get

[47:15]away with being not religious yeah you can't get away with it

[47:21]why because your community is all Breaking there fast at a certain

[47:23]time and and so you're gonna be like I'm gonna have to

[47:25]fast the thing the truth because everyone's going to be thinking why

[47:29]am I eating prayer is a bigger test than fasting because prayer

[47:33]the community is not focusing on you so you can literally lock

[47:40]yourself in the room for 12 hours a day and not pray

[47:42]No One's Gonna Know Ramadan however to me it's a test on

[47:49]a level for example of staying away from food and drink but

[47:54]if that's all you become go and join your local yoga or

[47:58]intermittent Health Club intermittent fasting 16 hours let's go do that Ramadan

[48:04]was meant to be this period where I look in the mirror

[48:08]and be like hold on I can do this you know I've

[48:12]got a lot more potential than just staying away from food and

[48:14]drink I'm not even cursing at the moment I can stay away

[48:18]from cursing I'm not doing these things that I normally would do

[48:21]which are forbidden I'm going to the mosque I'm actually enjoying my

[48:26]prayers the wave you Aid is either a shopping Festival where I

[48:29]have to look good in my new suit or my new dress

[48:35]or my new whatever or you look at Ada's like yeah Christmas

[48:38]is likewise either I look at the 25th and be like you

[48:43]know what I thought I got closer to God this year Merry

[48:46]Christmas or it's like you know what uh make sure you guys

[48:50]come quick because we want to watch a film together on Christmas

[48:52]day you see the difference yeah the verse in the Quran um

[49:04]truly your Targets in this world are so different and our Targets

[49:10]in this world without a doubt are so different it's phenomenal our

[49:16]Targets in this world there are some of us our targets um

[49:19]our targets which are okay to get close to the Divine and

[49:22]there's others of us which are just tick box targets so that's

[49:27]the differences in these festivals for sure yeah do you think Europe

[49:32]has recovered from the church State and in combination with Medieval Europe

[49:35]and the Renaissance in this Enlightenment no no I don't think so

[49:41]I think what happened with the church in medieval Europe many Christians

[49:44]haven't recovered from that's why when you want to mention Church to

[49:48]a modern Christian some Christians are so attached some just be like

[49:53]don't bring Church to me my memories of it is that you

[49:56]guys don't allow us to question anything you sent scientists to the

[50:00]prisons you had priests who abused children the whole reason there's this

[50:07]secular worldview that we have is because people hated how the church

[50:11]was dominant over everything and didn't let you breathe and and when

[50:16]you saw as you rightly said the enlightenment or the Renaissance or

[50:20]you know the movements that emerged on modernity and so on these

[50:24]all emerge because um people just don't want religion and God to

[50:30]be in at least public space you want to do things privately

[50:35]do and I don't think Christianity is recovered I think I really

[50:37]don't I think Christianity is playing catch-up Christianity now preaches in a

[50:42]different way there are priests who do things in a different way

[50:44]because they realize they had to sell Christianity in a different way

[50:47]to the image that it had before yeah yeah absolutely as you're

[50:51]well aware when the printing press got invented there was a massive

[50:54]war I think the over 100 years due to the reason that

[50:59]uh when the Bible originally was just a very secluded text and

[51:02]only the priest could read it yeah that only said people practically

[51:07]were the voice of God and people believed them until this day

[51:10]there's uh I was reading there's many cases in for example if

[51:13]I'm not mistaken Taiwan where priests take advantage of that and of

[51:16]people and uh I feel like till this day it's still viewed

[51:22]upon as well almost a power system this this ability to be

[51:27]like I am the voice of God I have power over you

[51:31]as well as others and you should listen to me there are

[51:35]good and bad everywhere and there are some priests who have done

[51:38]phenomenal work there are some priests who have served their communities in

[51:43]amazing ways there are some priests who have helped Muslims from the

[51:49]beginning of Islam like the priest of abyssinia or the Emperor of

[51:52]what is modern-day Ethiopia who was responsible for helping the Muslims and

[51:56]the companions of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon family when they

[51:59]were being oppressed there are priests that I've met in places like

[52:01]Dearborn Michigan who have just been wonderful people who've helped the Muslim

[52:08]Community majority made up of Lebanese and Iraqi Muslims and yemenis Central

[52:11]in that area so let's don't want to say that priests have

[52:14]all been banned but Christianity is finding it still very difficult to

[52:19]recover from how Christianity was in medieval Europe and that's why you

[52:25]go to France don't mention Church please don't talk about religion you

[52:28]go to the UK slowly moving away from the idea of church

[52:31]and so on so a lot are going towards secularism because they

[52:35]just don't want to go back to those few hundred years before

[52:37]yeah just question uh what are your thoughts on the difference between

[52:40]Christianity and Protestant well virtual statism is a school within Christianity um

[52:46]and it's you know a school that's sought to differ with the

[52:53]Catholic hierarchy one has a reading of what they believe is true

[52:56]original Christianity and another has reading on what they believe are you

[53:00]know humans who may have begun to speak on God's behalf and

[53:05]the the back and forth continues until today do you sense that

[53:08]Christians are scared to even read the Quran would you open and

[53:11]read a Bible yeah I've got no problem reading the Bible none

[53:16]at all I think some Christians because of what they've been taught

[53:21]about the Quran maybe wouldn't open it do you ever remember on

[53:25]YouTube certain uh people were were given a a what looked like

[53:36]a Quran and they were read verses from it verses which we're

[53:41]talking about how the sword and you know killing people and they

[53:45]were told you know this is the Quran and they and the

[53:48]people on YouTube they were like yeah we're not surprised and then

[53:50]they actually removed the color and said no this is the Bible

[53:52]you know so people always have this impression that it's only the

[53:58]Quran that has these types of um you know verses uh but

[54:00]the Bible has it as well look I'm not scared to read

[54:03]any book and if I am scared to read the book of

[54:06]another religion that means I've got a problem in my own faith

[54:08]I'm ready to read the book of any religion I'm looking for

[54:11]truth I'm not looking for titles or labels I'm looking for truth

[54:15]and if the truth sits with me and providing me a world

[54:18]view by which my spiritual life my social life my ethical life

[54:26]and even my questions concerning nature um the scientific world but questions

[54:30]concerning the world of the intellect and rationality and existence are answered

[54:35]if I find that then I'll follow that path what would be

[54:40]your message to the Christians and Muslims during this Christmas time my

[54:45]message during this Christmas time is you know what wish each other

[54:51]happiness and blessings for this coming year you know give each other

[54:54]a smile smile is a form of Charity and try and be

[54:57]there for one another yeah people are facing difficulties economically in life

[55:00]um in certain parts of the world let's try and remember all

[55:04]of them yeah with you being Shia what's what similarities exist with

[55:08]the uh Christian tenants with me being Shia which well quite a

[55:13]few the infallible mother Mary and Fatima both masum or masomas infallible

[55:24]um the son whose sacrifice is vital for Humanity Jesus and the

[55:33]rosary bead uh um the idea of intercession God has certain people

[55:43]he chooses who can intercede for us on his behalf martyrdom you

[55:48]know martyrdom of a holy personality and how it helps people fight

[55:53]against Injustice charity Christianity and shiasm there's a major Focus there so

[56:00]maybe the hierarchy of priests and Scholars that also is a similarity

[56:06]there's a lot of similarities for sure yeah what book would you

[56:14]recommend to learn more about Muslim Jesus yeah our good friend Bilal

[56:21]has a book if I'm not mistaken the title was the Good

[56:28]Shepherd Bilal Muhammad the Good Shepherd and there's another book called Jesus

[56:36]through Shia narrations translated by lagenhausen lagenhausen Jesus and Shia narrations so

[56:48]those would be the two I'd recommend the constitution of the Medina

[56:54]so the Jews the Christians and the Muslims living in peace with

[56:58]one another can be the basis of social pluralism today or can

[57:03]it the Constitutional Medina you know Jews Christians Muslims were all living

[57:06]together in Medina and peace the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his

[57:11]family wants to make sure synagogues were protected churches were protected um

[57:15]and that they honored each other's rights and I think that that

[57:20]type of constitution the Constitutional Medina definitely you're right it is something

[57:23]that can help our societies today to live socially pluralistic lives it's

[57:29]beautiful when you travel to different parts of the world where I

[57:34]see a mosque I was lecturing once in Vancouver and there's this

[57:37]road in Vancouver that literally has a mosque a Gurdwara a Buddhist

[57:40]temple all in one road I think the road is called number

[57:45]five Road or something um and that type of social pluralism the

[57:48]constitution of Medina wanted that I wanted Jews Christians Muslims to not

[57:53]fire each other or kill each others you know Bomb Blast and

[57:59]assassination attempts but to grow amongst one another yeah Egypt and Pakistan

[58:04]specifically are sometimes accused of being countries with no space for Christianity

[58:09]um at least at certain times uh maybe an oppressive Community towards

[58:14]Christianity how would you respond to this yeah well I think two

[58:21]different cases because Pakistan is how old in reality you know Pakistan

[58:24]is is coming towards its 80th birthday if I'm not mistaken not

[58:28]too far away and Egypt however is just a few thousand years

[58:32]older than Pakistan um but you're right the Egypt Coptic Christians there

[58:37]have been times without a doubt where they've been victims of Oppression

[58:40]listen there's been Muslims who've been oppressed in Egypt by Muslims so

[58:46]for a person to think that you know the cops are going

[58:48]to be oppressed now Muslims I know that there are Shia and

[58:52]Egypt who can't come out publicly and say that Shia imagine so

[58:56]if a person says Christians in Egypt I say there are there

[59:01]are there are um Muslims in Egypt who may not follow the

[59:06]particular version that the Brotherhood wanted or the salafi school wanted and

[59:10]they were the victims of Oppression uh but also at the same

[59:12]time they've been Muslim and Christian actors and actresses in in the

[59:14]film industry in Egypt to have been best friends for life they've

[59:19]been into marriages they've been schools where kids have lived with each

[59:22]other and got on with each other well so we can't generalize

[59:26]Pakistan has a Christian Community and a Christian Community that there are

[59:34]times where in Pakistan if a Muslim says something wrong um then

[59:41]you know another Muslim could accuse them of blasphemy so let alone

[59:45]if they don't like a non-muslim um the Christian Community I think

[59:52]in Pakistan may not openly say it but I don't think they

[59:53]feel they get the same Freedom that they believe they should have

[59:56]but there are you know I know the Shia community in Pakistan

[60:01]and they don't harm any of the Christian Community they've had good

[60:05]relations for years so generally I think you know there's been good

[60:10]good relations there and we can always continue to remind each other

[60:13]that look the prophet Muhammad at the end of the day married

[60:17]a girl from the Coptic Christian Community uh peace be upon him

[60:23]and his family and that you had imams who would interact with

[60:29]the Christian Community and want them to live good lives within the

[60:32]Islamic State and these are lessons we should learn so um as

[60:36]we've spoken before about Christianity and it's uh the many issues with

[60:40]at least the view on Christianity now specifically through the Medieval Time

[60:44]it has to apologize for a lot of the acts that have

[60:51]been committed in its name has Islam faced such a trial yeah

[60:57]Christianity always has to apologize for everything Christianity their popes and Catholicism

[61:03]for example always have to apologize for everything that was done um

[61:08]and I do believe that some Muslims are always forced to say

[61:11]why don't you speak out against terrorism even I mean I've got

[61:13]nothing to do with that terrorist why do I always have to

[61:16]say sorry but this is the reality of the world that you

[61:20]know you can't please everybody um apologies are never bad things but

[61:25]one may argue that some religions also need to apologize about their

[61:29]behaviors or the behaviors of their people um it's it's sad that

[61:33]there's a rule for some religions and another rule for others I

[61:36]can't generalize all Hindus but I don't think India Today is in

[61:42]the best of light I can't generalize all of the Jewish community

[61:46]but there's no doubt you look in the Middle East that unfortunately

[61:50]there are clear acts of Oppression that some Jews themselves are completely

[61:54]against so while Muslims and Christians always have to apologize I don't

[61:57]see why other religions the Buddhist treatments of the of the you

[62:03]know the uyghur community of the Chinese some of the Buddhists have

[62:10]been so bad and the Dalai Lama even said listen this is

[62:12]not right this is not what Buddhism teaches but it's always Islam

[62:16]and Christianity the other problem was Hinduism Judaism Buddhism has bad apples

[62:20]as well but people don't want to talk about it and in

[62:24]the Jewish Community even admit um that sometimes when you do want

[62:28]to even discuss these things some of them may say but you

[62:31]know we were the victims of Oppression yes you were but you

[62:33]don't you want to learn from those lessons as well rather than

[62:35]come back and oppress so there are Christians who have converted to

[62:41]Islam their parents are still Christian should they be allowed to celebrate

[62:44]with their parents or must they draw a line no no no

[62:48]they should go Christmas time go to your parents even if you're

[62:51]a Muslim convert your parents are having turkey at home I'm sure

[62:55]your parents have reached a stage where they could get Halal turkey

[62:57]from somewhere and they you can't eat the turkey eat everything else

[63:02]but go visit your parents enjoy your time with them that I

[63:06]believe that there's different rules for converts converts are coming from a

[63:10]completely different situation their parents are still on One path they are

[63:13]or another but we shouldn't make the laws as tight for them

[63:16]in the case where we're like no don't go these people are

[63:20]not Muslims no they're your parents they have a right over you

[63:22]and you should go and you should celebrate with them yeah now

[63:26]on a social humanitarian level uh there are many Christians who have

[63:31]no food and there are many Muslims with no food and it's

[63:34]a time where we must celebrate and give back so what would

[63:39]you say that Muslims and Christians can do to come together during

[63:42]this festive time to give back I think they already come together

[63:45]in this festive time and give back I think um I've seen

[63:49]so many Muslims and Christians who go out on the streets of

[63:51]London for example and there's homeless people on the streets Islam teachers

[63:55]look after the homeless Christianity says look after the homeless Islam teachers

[63:59]give food to the poor and Christianity says give food to the

[64:03]poor and and I think in this time of Christmas we should

[64:06]all be getting together to go out and look for Humanity as

[64:09]our common goal people who are homeless I don't look are you

[64:14]wearing a cross are you a Muslim no they are a human

[64:16]who's homeless Imam Ali the son-in-law the prophet Muhammad peace be upon

[64:19]his family one saw a Christian begging he said how did we

[64:24]reach a stage where this person begs we are a Muslim country

[64:26]and the Christian begs what is this Islam so it's vital that

[64:31]we can use this period cold period some places are freezing to

[64:36]go out and push the home or push the message of Jesus

[64:41]Jesus looked out for the weak and the destitute and the needy

[64:45]and that's what we need to do as well now I've recently

[64:49]stumbled upon a post made by the telegram and I just wanted

[64:52]to hear your opinion on this so it says and I quote

[64:56]Jesus could have been transgender according to a study of Cambridge Dean

[65:01]Mr Michael banner the dean of Trinity College says such a view

[65:05]has legitimate after a row of over a sermon by Cambridge research

[65:14]student that claimed Christ had a trans body yeah I I heard

[65:17]about this this wasn't a telegraph um it discussed Jesus you know

[65:25]um you know being associated with you know with what you said

[65:31]was you know a trans um life it doesn't surprise me that

[65:35]you know in the western world you can get away with mocking

[65:38]Jesus Moses there's no repercussions people have because of you know moving

[65:43]away from what Christianity had done medieval you know people who went

[65:45]towards a direction where they don't want to you know they don't

[65:50]they want freedom of speech to be open and there's no one

[65:53]really holy sometimes people say why you Muslims get so uptight when

[65:56]someone makes fun of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family

[65:58]it's because if someone called our Prophet trans uh yeah that's a

[66:04]that's that's not something that you'd want to say um all for

[66:08]freedom of speech and I'm all for research but there are certain

[66:10]figures even if you don't believe in them the fact that over

[66:15]a billion people do there's a certain level of respect an etiquette

[66:19]that should be there but does it surprise me no it doesn't

[66:23]what does surprise me I must admit um is that Muslims are

[66:28]relatively quiet about this uh about this issue you know the telegraph

[66:33]reporting that someone in Cambridge University doing saying that Jesus was trans

[66:39]um doesn't seem to get riots and demonstrations by anyone um but

[66:44]when certain films are done about Islamic history by fellow Muslims you

[66:48]see people demonstrating and saying you shouldn't discuss you know the companions

[66:53]of the Prophet Muhammad in this way or show them in this

[66:57]light it's very interesting how there was Major Opera for that but

[67:01]there wasn't for a prophet of God Like Jesus being insulted in

[67:04]this way but then of course everybody has their different agendas and

[67:08]needs yeah so there was a 2021 sense system by the BBC

[67:12]and it states that uh less than half of the population of

[67:17]England is actually considering themselves Christian uh the exact numbers are so

[67:22]from 2011 the number which was 59.3 dropped down to 46.2 and

[67:27]the amount of atheists increase from 25 to 37 while the number

[67:34]of people considering some Muslim increased from 44.9 to 6.5 what are

[67:38]your thoughts on that Islam is definitely on the rise in the

[67:41]UK there's no doubt about that and to say that Christianity is

[67:46]dwindling I think is true the numbers are because you drive in

[67:49]in in the UK and there's church for sale planning permission granted

[67:53]condos can be built and churches are being sold left right and

[67:59]center the kids aren't interested I think it was Andrew Tate who

[68:06]said that Islam is the only religion where you have to respect

[68:10]God's law he goes all other religions you can now reach a

[68:12]stage or be like I don't feel like it I just don't

[68:16]want to do it doesn't interest me it's enough if I wear

[68:22]a cross Islam is the only religion where you have to respect

[68:26]God's law I think what Andrew Tate was alluding to there was

[68:31]we naturally want to live certain lives where we want to achieve

[68:37]Perfection but with a lot of ill discipline Islam's discipline program is

[68:41]what you sometimes need to grow it seems that unfortunately with Christianity

[68:48]saying okay you know what in the past this wasn't allowed now

[68:52]it's allowed in the past this wasn't allowed now it's allowed in

[68:55]the past this wasn't now it's okay even the Christians baffled now

[68:58]hold on a minute what things are we holding on to from

[69:01]Jesus or what things are you now all saying is okay okay

[69:05]okay Islam is sometimes seen as being very conservative on certain stances

[69:09]but that's because either we hold on to what the prophet Muhammad's

[69:11]teaching or we make up our own religion so I think some

[69:16]people are attracted to that you know that that one sense of

[69:18]discipline in Islam I think it's attracted to people are attracted to

[69:26]Islam as well in the UK because they sense that the role

[69:29]of the male and female is pretty clear in Islam whereas they

[69:32]live in a society now where it's like what's male actually we're

[69:36]not sure if we're males is there a female or is there

[69:40]like what gender are you what do you want us to call

[69:45]you listen if I see 15 20 100 different ways of describing

[69:48]my identity as a human I'll be like listen give me something

[69:51]simple male female is that what Islam believes let's join that I

[69:56]don't need he and G and G and I and it and

[69:58]so Islam becomes attractive again because it's like you look at verse

[70:04]of the Quran oh mankind be conscious of God who created You

[70:07]from One Soul All Mankind we created you from male and female

[70:10]nice simple message allowing you to understand your existence it's no surprise

[70:16]to me therefore when you're showing me stats like that that on

[70:20]the UK Christianity is this type of priest Allowed no it's not

[70:23]yes today it is can we engage in this type of marriage

[70:27]no it's not actually today it is people are now getting confused

[70:30]where's the original Jesus of Christianity now it's just become a religion

[70:34]that suits what the majority are pushing it towards especially in the

[70:38]UK maybe there are parts of the world where people have held

[70:40]on to traditional Christianity but in the UK there's a confusion certainly

[70:46]there there are people in the UK who are Christians who get

[70:50]married to their girlfriend who they've had three kids with already why

[70:57]because the whole idea of a church wedding is beautiful hold on

[71:02]a minute you know those kids are born out of wedlock which

[71:07]word look I'm not interested get me a white dress and get

[71:12]me a church look how it's gone to a direction where even

[71:17]the members of the religion are confused they ask some football players

[71:20]when do you and your when do you and your girlfriend think

[71:22]you're gonna tie them not you think that this guy has probably

[71:24]been with his girlfriend for six months one year another so you

[71:28]know yeah I think now we've had six kids we've been a

[71:31]boyfriend girlfriend now we'll get married so what is your view on

[71:43]for example in Buddhism and Hinduism there is a view on reincarnation

[71:46]and uh and religions such as the abrahamic religions there's a huge

[71:50]concept of you know hell heaven you know what is your topic

[71:55]what is your opinion on the topic of death and reincarnation yeah

[71:59]reincarnation Islamic we don't believe in Resurrection we believe in reincarnation we

[72:06]reject completely resurrection and the idea that our bodies will die and

[72:13]decay on this Earth but that God will create bodies that come

[72:16]about again on the day of judgment a day of Resurrection that

[72:20]we definitely believe in as Muslims um you know Buddhism Hinduism have

[72:27]their conclusions whether these are based on myths on culture on original

[72:32]teachings that is you know their Heritage but for us no we

[72:35]believe that we will die but we will come back in the

[72:39]same form to answer what we have done in this world and

[72:41]that there is another life and another dimension which we will go

[72:45]on to so with your understanding of the Bible and specifically about

[72:50]as we've spoken before the many changes that happen to the Bible

[72:53]the different types such as Book of Job what are your thoughts

[73:00]on when some people say that Islam had the same issue of

[73:03]it's being as you've spoken before the scribes that wrote it in

[73:09]not the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him it's a plausible argument

[73:13]that there is a possibility that there are certain words of the

[73:17]Quran that one may pronounce differently depending on dialects depending on how

[73:21]they were written but not enough for it to be tampered the

[73:24]message is still exactly the same the fact that the oral tradition

[73:30]without a doubt phenomenally preserved the teachings of the religion you could

[73:35]go to Muslims from Indonesia Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia and they all

[73:39]have memorized the Quran perfectly and that preservation had started right from

[73:44]the beginning without doubt but can I deny that there have been

[73:49]arguments concerning possible changes to the Quran taking place no there have

[73:53]been Scholars who have discussed this and uh I don't know if

[73:58]you've been keeping up with it but uh as we both know

[74:00]the Euphrates River has been drying up and uh in both the

[74:05]Quran and in the Bible it states that this brings upon the

[74:08]day of judgment so what are your thoughts on what kind of

[74:11]environmental what kind of religious consequences come with that yeah the Euphrates

[74:17]is important in the Bible and in Islam Listen by the way

[74:19]you're talking to a Shia so the forage for us the Euphrates

[74:23]is huge because the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon

[74:27]his family got killed near the Euphrates in Iraq because you know

[74:30]when you're talking to the Euphrates who do you normally think of

[74:34]turkey Iraq Syria okay um but you're right since the 80s I'd

[74:38]say the late 80s until now the Euphrates definitely is facing difficulties

[74:45]there are major discussions about the drying of the Euphrates and there

[74:49]are some schools in Islam that narrator Hadith from the prophet that

[74:52]when you're going to see the drying of the farat the know

[74:54]that kayama is near and definitely the water is dwindling the levels

[74:59]are not like you know people used to use this for irrigation

[75:03]it was the best Supply and now the ferrat is not like

[75:05]it used to be the forage was a river of Jannah you

[75:08]know the farat was was Heaven and now the farata is getting

[75:11]drier and drier and you're seeing these different countries your turkeys your

[75:15]Syria's who originally were trying to make best use of it and

[75:19]now they're looking at and there's a major crisis could it be

[75:22]a sign of that we're coming towards the end of times we

[75:27]can't discount it could it be because of natural changes in global

[75:31]warming and that could be that as well yeah well thank you

[75:34]so much my pleasure Dennis thank you you've really enlightened I think

[75:39]us all thank you acknowledge and I really want to thank you

[75:43]and God bless Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year thank you

[75:46]thank you very much God bless thank you [Music] [Music]

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