Night 7 - 'Muslim & Gay' - Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani

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[1:58]tonight the ninth of seventh muhara we extend our most sincere condolences

[2:07]to janab e fatima to zahra on the martyrdom of her beloved

[2:16]grandson qasim on the martyrdom of abu fazlil abbas on the martyrdom

[2:23]of mawlah hussain we also send our salutation to the ladies of

[2:31]karbala those ladies who ensured that the survival of islam is there

[2:38]by giving the sacrifices the difficulties that they suffered and the children

[2:44]that they gave away in the way of islam to save islam

[2:49]i stand in front of you today to talk about the plight

[2:53]of the ladies of peterborough the ladies who have love of janaab

[2:59]i zayn in their heart they have done their best to make

[3:04]sure the upbringing of our children in peterborough in the name of

[3:08]hussein like bring them up on their role models of qasim and

[3:13]onu muhammad but they have had great great challenges one of the

[3:19]greatest challenges has been the imam barga that we built in 1990s

[3:25]meant for 120 old families and today there are three seventy five

[3:31]plus families in peterborough the ladies have been sitting in a cramped

[3:35]position hardly any space for them to even breathe there have been

[3:41]instances where people have fainted in the extreme heat and there have

[3:47]been instances i remember as the past leader i was asked when

[3:53]are you going to do something for these women ladies were carried

[3:57]up into the overflow halls into the madrasa classrooms and some ladies

[4:03]could not walk up they were carried on chair these are the

[4:08]difficulties that the ladies have had and yet they have continued inshallah

[4:15]the al qa'im project will ensure that for the next twenty five

[4:20]years we have at least twenty five years we'll have such an

[4:25]adequate facility with a special room for the moms and todds for

[4:30]the ladies who have difficulty sitting to sit properly but the second

[4:34]most burning question for the ladies of peterborough and all the lovers

[4:39]of ahlul bayt is the upbringing of the children in the society

[4:43]that we live in the difficulties that we have in the society

[4:47]and the madrasa has been the center focal point for this again

[4:52]our madrasa was built in 1990s only for number of students probably

[4:59]maximum 120 130 students today we have two eighty five plus students

[5:05]attending can you imagine the children cramped in the classroom and the

[5:09]mothers are only crying please give our children a facility which is

[5:14]up to date that will work in the environment that we live

[5:17]in and the final point that the ladies have is that in

[5:21]their heart they want the youths upbringing of the youths like ali

[5:25]akbar and qasim they want them to be on the right path

[5:29]we in al qa'yem have planned for special facility for the youth

[5:33]english language center we have in al qa'yem areas for library for

[5:39]the research for the get together so important to understand those messages

[5:45]and indeed today this al qa'im project that is coming to fruition

[5:50]soon is in urgent urgent need nearly 2,000,000 shortfall and we need

[5:57]this help urgently we have been out in few years back came

[6:02]to africa came to nairobi mombasa dar es salaam to all the

[6:06]parts of europe with the team of al qa'im people we asked

[6:11]for help some people said yes we will donate some donated some

[6:15]said we will donate now is the time to bring the donation

[6:19]forward we urgently need your help we are short of money we

[6:23]have to pay back the loan we have to pay back the

[6:26]money for construction and we have a great need now one final

[6:31]point that i wish to make that today in the name of

[6:34]abul fazlil abbas and qasem donate generously donate generously remember this donation

[6:41]is sawab e jariyah it will be there forever it will never

[6:47]leave you till the day of judgment it will always be there

[6:51]for you to help and whatever you can donate you will soon

[6:54]see a little notice underneath this film telling you how to donate

[7:00]what to donate we urgently need and final point that i need

[7:04]to make today is the point relating to homs we even have

[7:09]the ijaza for the homs from ayatollah sistani to use for this

[7:13]project donate generously in the name of sayyidush sohada wa alaikumu salaam

[7:19]wa rahmatullahi wa barakat the discussion concerning islam and homosexuality and islam

[9:44]and its relationship with the world of same gender relations no doubt

[9:50]it's one of the most sensitive discussions in islamic thought at the

[9:54]same time it's a sensitive discussion around the world today because the

[9:59]discussion concerning open same gender relations gay and lesbian relations is a

[10:07]discussion which is a modern phenomenon up until fifty years ago most

[10:11]communities did not legalize same gender marriages for example let alone legalize

[10:18]for people to walk in the streets who are either gay or

[10:22]of a different orientation such as lesbian or bisexual you find therefore

[10:27]that this particular issue is one which many parts of the world

[10:32]have still not accepted although sometimes the media may portray that every

[10:38]part of the world has accepted for example those who have decided

[10:43]to have same gender relations the reality is that there are still

[10:48]many parts of the world which are coming to terms with this

[10:50]there are still many parts of the world who have not even

[10:54]reached the conclusion that this is a right for the human being

[10:57]a right for the human being to choose whether they want to

[11:00]be in a relationship with someone of the same gender or someone

[11:04]of the opposite gender so you find for example that until today

[11:09]while many assume that it's only religion that may for example have

[11:14]a difference of opinion with homosexuality the reality is that there are

[11:19]still people out there who may not necessarily subscribe to any of

[11:24]the abrahamic religions but do not necessarily agree for example with homosexuality

[11:31]and therefore even when you come to universal declarations of human rights

[11:35]and so on you still have that many have not reached the

[11:39]conclusion that homosexuality and for example the rights related to the gay

[11:46]or the lesbian community are to be ratified yes they may have

[11:50]spoken for example about crimes or for example about abuses that unfairly

[11:56]have been meted out to members of the gay or the lesbian

[11:59]community but you find that the reality is that generally around the

[12:04]world many are trying to understand that is this something which we

[12:08]are to see as being normal considering for thousands of years it

[12:13]was never part and parcel of the life of the human being

[12:17]publicly privately it has always existed and even within the religion of

[12:22]islam no one has denied its existence that we find within our

[12:27]literature there is a clear mention within our legal texts for example

[12:33]within our historical works for example within ethical treaties for example a

[12:38]clear mention and a clear discussion of same gender relations but the

[12:43]muslim community at the moment faces a major dilemma on this area

[12:47]why because on the first level the reality for much of the

[12:51]muslim community is that they live in western shores much of the

[12:55]muslim community either out of choice or because of being for example

[13:00]refugees from certain war torn countries live in the western world when

[13:06]they live in the western world they therefore have a decision to

[13:08]make as to how to approach these issues because we know very

[13:12]well that if you were to live for example in iraq or

[13:16]to live in iran for example or to live in pakistan while

[13:21]in these countries there are people who have such an orientation it

[13:25]is not something which necessarily is ratified by law so a person

[13:30]over there may not face for example discussions on this area you

[13:34]may not have someone at your workplace who may sit with you

[13:38]and ask you a question what's your opinion for example on the

[13:42]lgbt community what's your opinion on someone who feels that naturally they

[13:48]are born on a particular orientation if you bring these things up

[13:52]over there you either will have people who will mock you or

[13:56]you'll have people who may ostracize you reality is no one's going

[14:00]to really entertain a dialogue on this issue unless most probably it's

[14:06]in theological terms or in legal terms if they're discussing for example

[14:10]from a particular legal text or a theological text they may for

[14:15]example bring up this issue but we who live in the west

[14:19]for us this is a reality that someone who works with me

[14:22]for example maybe someone who identifies as being a member of the

[14:27]gay community or someone who identifies as being a member of the

[14:31]lesbian community or the bisexual community that person who therefore works with

[14:36]me is someone who may be one of the most pleasant people

[14:39]in the workplace alongside me they may be someone who is full

[14:42]of respect someone who's not judgmental and therefore for the muslim community

[14:47]living in the west they have to on the first level face

[14:50]this dilemma that how do i look at my theological and legal

[14:55]beliefs in relation to what is on the ground on the ground

[14:59]i live in a society that on the first level i see

[15:03]people of such orientations who work with me who may be at

[15:06]university with me people of such orientations who for example have full

[15:11]rights in the country that you live in and therefore how do

[15:15]i approach this subject do we discuss it or do we not

[15:19]discuss it because when i bring up such a subject there might

[15:23]be some who might turn around and say why for example bring

[15:26]up such sensitive subjects the reality is that these subjects were not

[15:30]only discussed in the quran or discussed by the imams of al

[15:35]al bates salaam wa alaihihim but also at the same time these

[15:39]subjects are contemporary subjects because even our children now face this issue

[15:46]in which way that our children now in the school system when

[15:51]one discusses for example religious and sexual education when you discuss religious

[15:56]and sexual education it's gonna be part and parcel of the curriculum

[16:00]what are we now late august twenty twenty september 2020 you'll find

[16:08]that sex education may be for example compulsory already in the curriculum

[16:13]but that there's new caveats to the discussion how do i as

[16:16]a muslim who lives in britain for example approach this issue that

[16:21]my child for example will be taught that it's perfectly okay for

[16:25]someone who has two fathers or it's perfectly okay for someone to

[16:30]have two mothers there may be some people who are watching in

[16:33]the crowd who might even say to me that they were asked

[16:36]this question by one of their own children that for example daddy

[16:39]i saw someone who has two daddies or i saw someone who

[16:42]has two mummies how do you reply to this issue because there

[16:46]are many in the muslim community as well who believe that there

[16:50]is nothing wrong with this you may have some who for example

[16:53]who may have a member of their family who identifies as a

[16:57]gay muslim they say that i am a muslim i believe in

[17:01]ashadu allah where ashadu allah muhammadan rasulallah sallallahu alaihi wa'alehi but that

[17:08]i identify as a gay muslim in the sense that i believe

[17:12]that the religion of islam does not prohibit being gay the religion

[17:18]of islam may prohibit for example certain sexual deviations which may be

[17:26]associated with acts relating to the homosexual community but that the religion

[17:32]of islam has never been against love the religion of islam talks

[17:37]about love there are different words for love in the quran words

[17:41]such as for example or words such as for example are all

[17:47]mentioned in the quran some are one-sided love some are two sided

[17:52]love and so they say that therefore i want to identify as

[17:56]a muslim who is gay virtually every single time there is a

[18:00]discussion about gay rights for example straight away a couple of weeks

[18:05]later there's a discussion about two muslims who got married who are

[18:09]for example both male and so that discussion is put in the

[18:13]media to highlight that look there are certain scholars who may allow

[18:18]this yes you may not have heard of them but we can

[18:21]point you to them where you can go and have your or

[18:26]you can have your or your marriage ceremony done so you found

[18:30]therefore that even our youth on this issue wonder that is this

[18:34]something that we view naturally or is it something to do with

[18:38]nurture if i have for example a cousin who identifies as a

[18:43]gay muslim do i maintain my communication with them or should i

[18:48]stop my communication with them outright because part and parcel now of

[18:52]our life everywhere we look is a push in relation to for

[18:58]example the homosexual community when i look for example at sky sports

[19:01]news i think every other week on sky sports news they're begging

[19:05]for someone to come out as gay but what's the news why

[19:09]are you begging somebody to come out as gay for goodness sake

[19:11]there are people who want to have their private lives every week

[19:15]when is the first gay football player going to finally come out

[19:20]even if there are football players who are gay but the push

[19:24]is that you should come out and tell everybody let them know

[19:28]your sexual worldview because now the second dilemma that we face is

[19:34]that the sexual worldview keeps changing the barometer of sexual morality changes

[19:40]every single week some of the things which were viewed as illegal

[19:44]fifty years ago are now legal some of the things which were

[19:48]viewed as taboo twenty years ago are now seen as being normal

[19:53]so now even for us there's a dilemma not just us by

[19:56]the way for the christian community there's a dilemma for the jewish

[20:00]community there's a major dilemma nobody is more outspoken in relation to

[20:05]homosexuality and its education in schools or bisexuality and its education schools

[20:12]as much as the jewish community the jewish community speaks out more

[20:17]than any other they have a concern and their concern is related

[20:21]to the fact that look you may view the world with your

[20:24]lens let me view the world with my lens the same way

[20:27]i mentioned last night about ta'ifiyyah and sectarianism that people can view

[20:33]the world with their own lens but to push people that they

[20:38]have to accept a certain lens is unacceptable whether it comes from

[20:43]islam or whether it comes from outside of islam what i mean

[20:48]is that when allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says in the quran for

[20:51]example whoever wants to believe let them believe and whoever wants to

[20:58]disbelieve let them disbelieve i cannot force you to accept my worldview

[21:03]on this issue you have every right to have your worldview but

[21:07]likewise when i do not accept your worldview of sexual diversity don't

[21:14]call me archaic or backward or fundamentalist or terrorist i want to

[21:20]live okay in a pluralistic society socially you have your own worldview

[21:25]i have mine but allow us to explore each other's lens that

[21:29]we are coming from what's true dialogue the etymology of the word

[21:33]dialogue comes from what seeing through the other in the same way

[21:37]that you have your lens which relatively is a modern lens because

[21:40]fifty years ago we would not have this discussion maybe this mosque

[21:43]would be closed down if we had this discussion and not closed

[21:46]down by the way by muslims it would be closed down by

[21:50]the government that we already have an act in 1967 that such

[21:54]acts sexually are prohibited now when we come fifty odd years later

[22:00]something that in british society was completely prohibited has become something which

[22:06]is completely normal okay and that's the development of society the question

[22:11]is what kind of worms does that open on other areas which

[22:15]in british law today may be viewed as prohibited and in the

[22:19]year 2070 may be viewed as called let's tonight examine this issue

[22:26]and i'd like to do this in the following stages if one

[22:29]was to use an islamic lens how does islam view homosexuality and

[22:36]lgbt rights number two when the quran mentions the gay community does

[22:42]the quran also mention the lesbian community and is it only the

[22:47]gay community that has a story about them in the quran and

[22:51]in the biblical works as well number three is islam anti sexual

[22:56]relations as in is there a view that islam doesn't want a

[22:59]person to be happy with their partner or is it that islam

[23:03]said there are certain things which are all natural but who sets

[23:08]their morality and the way that they are guided comes from revelation

[23:12]rather than just one's personal individualism number four what if someone says

[23:18]they are gay and muslim how do i approach them as can

[23:23]it be a case where a person is both gay and muslim

[23:27]in one identity number five are they allowed to enter our mosques

[23:31]if they believe in allah but they also believe that this lifestyle

[23:37]is a lifestyle which is acceptable number six if a person turns

[23:43]around and says that i was wrong in the act that i

[23:46]committed is the door of repentance open or is such a person

[23:50]condemned straight away number seven when the government wants to introduce to

[23:55]young children graphic images of people of different sexual orientations what is

[24:02]the role of the muslim community on this area and finally what

[24:07]areas can sometimes lead us to performing such acts and how should

[24:13]we beware of this for our youth and how important are role

[24:17]models in the future of our youth in western society and which

[24:22]role models can they take from the tenth of muharram let's examine

[24:26]this and dissect the topic in complete depth if i put my

[24:30]islamic lenses on and i make it clear my islamic lens in

[24:35]the same way that you believe that you have your lens i

[24:37]have my lens and there's no way that i want to force

[24:40]my lens on you you can agree to agree or you can

[24:43]agree to completely disagree whether i put my islamic lens or my

[24:49]christian lens or my jewish lens it takes me back to the

[24:53]story of sodom and gomorrah because we know very well that the

[24:58]act of sodomy is fundamental in these relationships between males and it

[25:04]comes from the people of sodom and gomorrah people of sodom and

[25:09]gomorrah the story is mentioned not just in relation to the jewish

[25:14]and the christian community but also in the quran so that means

[25:17]in the population of the world of 7,000,000,000 three and a half

[25:21]million of the people have either got a random fairy tale or

[25:26]may have got something pretty clear because when you look at it

[25:31]you find nabilot who was the brother of nabi salih they were

[25:35]the nephews of ibrahim alaihi salaam within their community their people were

[25:41]a people who had a number of crimes of their crimes for

[25:45]example they were highway thieves bandits they used to scare people who

[25:48]used to come past their town and this is of course one

[25:52]of the greatest sins in the religion of islam but amongst their

[25:55]crimes as well was that there were clear relationships between people of

[25:59]the same gender and the quran discusses this in different chapters either

[26:05]in surah seven or surah 11 for example and the ayahs of

[26:10]the quran are clear as to what lord says to them because

[26:14]it became so prevalent men men female female that morality when it

[26:21]came to sexuality went completely out of the window anyone who came

[26:25]into town that was seen as someone who they could go towards

[26:30]and so of course when nabiullah has his guests they want some

[26:34]of those guests as well those guests being in the quranic story

[26:39]which we see in the world of hadith of jibrail and mika'il

[26:42]and salaam bin were coming to say that these people will be

[26:45]overturned except the good ones if there are good in any society

[26:49]they will not be overturned but the worst of them will be

[26:52]overturned the quran highlights to us what lot says to the people

[27:00]in surah seven verse number 81 and i'd like to make this

[27:03]very clear why he says the two approach the men with your

[27:17]lustful desires and don't go towards the woman when he says this

[27:23]he then says you are an extravagant people who exceed the limits

[27:31]group of people when he says this why is he saying this

[27:34]if a person going towards the male of a community the males

[27:38]of the community is something which is seen as being good something

[27:42]which is seen as being natural for what reason would he as

[27:45]a prophet want to stop this for that matter why would prophets

[27:49]after him all stop this as in why isn't there a single

[27:52]of the prophets of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala who would stop such

[27:56]an act as in what's wrong if a person has found somebody

[28:00]who they're attracted to and they want to go towards that person

[28:05]then here nabi lord would not stop them but he does by

[28:09]saying that's what is the norm for us in islam and by

[28:17]the way the norm for the majority of the history of humanity

[28:21]doesn't mean that there aren't people who have had a gay lifestyle

[28:24]or what they say in the closet and then coming out it's

[28:27]always been there and it's rampant even let me make clear in

[28:30]muslim countries but the norm also is that society recognized procreation was

[28:35]gonna look after its survival and it recognized whether it was muslim

[28:39]or non muslim that this was seen as an act in the

[28:43]islamic lens in the jewish lens was seen as an act that

[28:46]was what was seen as an act that was abhorrent someone says

[28:50]that sayidna the problem for nabiulot wasn't that these people were going

[28:56]for male male relations it was because they were coming to rape

[29:00]one another and therefore the problem that the quran has with homosexuality

[29:07]is not male male love it's male male rape if you rape

[29:12]somebody this is why nabi lord got angry he said means you

[29:22]people are raping the men so what is he saying you people

[29:27]are raping the men instead of raping the woman yes because when

[29:31]you are now saying have to also put an understanding on this

[29:36]also later nabi lord says my daughters are better for you have

[29:39]you ever seen a man who tells a group of rapists that

[29:42]my daughters by the way if you want to marry them they're

[29:44]better for you would you recommend a a rapist to go towards

[29:48]your daughter not at all so therefore these arguments that are posited

[29:52]that islam and the story of nabiloth is a story against rape

[29:58]that if you get somebody and rape them that is something which

[30:02]is not allowed male male but if a male finds somebody who

[30:07]they love and they have an attachment to and they want to

[30:11]grow with then that is something which is perfectly acceptable again not

[30:16]only do i look at the quran but i also look at

[30:19]the exegesis of the quran tafsir of the quran and the tafsir

[30:24]is vital why because the quran as a text does not emerge

[30:28]in a vacuum the quran emerges at a time where there is

[30:32]a context i need to know what is the tafsir i can't

[30:36]just go to anyone for the tafsir i need to go to

[30:39]those who came alongside the quran so when the holy prophet said

[30:50]when my prophet said i leave behind the quran and my ahlul

[30:53]bayj why the ahlul bayj because the ahlul bayj give me a

[30:56]solid understanding of what these verses mean if you come and give

[31:00]me a tafsir and you say for example abu hanifa in his

[31:04]opinion this is the tafsir i don't mind you're more than welcome

[31:07]to go to abu hanifa's tafsir you can go to the tafsir

[31:09]of malik or a maliki you could go to a shafa is

[31:12]tafsir you could go to a tafsir of the hanabila i don't

[31:16]mind for me i go to the tafsir of al muhammad when

[31:21]i go to the tafsir of al muhammad do al muhammad tell

[31:25]me the family of the prophet do they say to me for

[31:28]example that this was only because of rape had the male fallen

[31:32]in love with another male then god would not have destroyed sodom

[31:38]and gomorrah sodom and gomorrah had three punishments pelted on it literally

[31:42]and metaphorically not only did they have the stones that were pelted

[31:47]on them the same way as haib al fil the story of

[31:50]the elephant you had the stones that were pelted yes hijjahratim and

[31:54]sijid likewise you had from sijid those same stones that were pelted

[31:58]on the people the place was showered with it you had the

[32:02]whole area turned upside down so when imam asad alaihis salam was

[32:07]asked about this particular practice this is the islamic lens version imam

[32:12]asad was asked that this sodomy is something acceptable or no he

[32:19]goes no sodomy is worse than adultery male female in islam is

[32:24]seen as a natural relationship except that if you haven't had for

[32:29]example a contract between each other it's counted as either fornication or

[32:34]adultery fornication for example if someone is not married and they commit

[32:39]adultery but if someone is married for example that could be counted

[32:44]as zina as well fornication or adultery imam says god never destroyed

[32:50]a nation because of adultery but he destroyed a nation because of

[32:55]sodomy there is no nation that was destroyed because of zina yes

[33:02]there may have been nations where the love of adultery may have

[33:07]led to for example destruction of that nation in the case of

[33:12]for example the people of tamud with the camel of nabi salli

[33:16]when they killed it it's because of someone who had love for

[33:21]this particular lady she said to him if you kill the camel

[33:23]i will give you whatever you want and then what happened they

[33:26]killed the camel they were destroyed but that wasn't because of the

[33:30]act of adultery there was an intention to commit adultery imam asad

[33:35]when he's asked this question doesn't say anything about there is a

[33:39]difference between if you fall in love and if you rape imam

[33:43]says god destroyed a whole nation because of the act of sodomy

[33:49]whereas an act of adultery god has not destroyed the whole nation

[33:54]i guarantee you many prophets of god were living in frivolous societies

[33:58]do you agree you're telling me when firaun was alongside musa or

[34:02]you're telling me when the kings were alongside yusuf there wasn't adultery

[34:05]happening everywhere but that nation survived the nation was not turned upside

[34:10]down the only nation that was destroyed not because of adultery but

[34:16]because of sodomy therefore on the first level imam assad makes it

[34:21]clear that this conclusion that some people reach that the story of

[34:25]lord and homosexuality is bad if it's rape whereas if it's only

[34:31]love then there is no problem there whatsoever that's on the first

[34:35]level on the second level what do we find lesbians are mentioned

[34:39]in the quran or no yes in the quran in surah 50

[34:43]verse 12 god talks about a number of nations ad and thamud

[34:47]and so on and then he talks about ashaborez ashaborez refers to

[34:53]a group of people they used to have this tree which was

[34:56]planted by the son of noah and they saw the tree as

[35:00]like a blessing in their town when they saw this tree as

[35:04]a blessing slowly the tree turned from being a blessing to something

[35:06]people were worshiping therefore the prophet who was sent to them who

[35:10]was after nabi came to them and said that look the way

[35:15]you're moving firstly you're worshiping the tree secondly you're now becoming sexually

[35:20]deviant because amongst you there are females who sleep with other females

[35:26]again there might be people who are watching this lecture i must

[35:29]make this clear this is the islamic lens of it i have

[35:33]my tradition you have your tradition yours is approximately 50 60 years

[35:37]of age publicly mine's only about ten thousand years of age now

[35:42]when we look at this therefore those ladies were in relations with

[35:46]each other those ladies who were in relations with each other they

[35:51]were clearly those who had fought that prophet of god you know

[35:55]what they did to him the prophet ras in opinions of some

[35:59]scholars refers to what refers to a well something you dig they

[36:05]got the prophet of god tied him up and killed him in

[36:08]that well of their behaviors was what was that they were many

[36:13]of them were indulging in female female relations therefore when the quran

[36:19]condemned or the quran condemned the people of lut it looked at

[36:25]two prevalent areas and made it clear that don't look at this

[36:29]text as a book of history it can relate to your life

[36:33]more than ever before because many of us when we look at

[36:36]the quran because of the parrot fashion that we're taught the quran

[36:40]there are many of us who can't relate to the quran there

[36:42]are many of us the quran is a book that has dust

[36:45]on the shelves because we don't realize and you know who those

[36:49]within our community who are under mambar have louder voices than those

[36:54]who are on mambar those who are under suddenly begin to tell

[36:58]you what you can lecture on what you can't lecture on insha

[37:02]allah there'll be a day i'll you go up to lecture and

[37:04]let me watch you i look forward to it but for the

[37:08]time being you sit where you are and let us reply back

[37:12]to the emails that we receive possibly from one of your own

[37:16]children so what you have therefore is that on this front you

[37:20]have that the gay community the lesbian community prevailing today was also

[37:25]the quran not denying the quran didn't want to say that this

[37:28]has never existed i can guarantee you in baths in rome in

[37:32]parts of greece in parts for example of arabia there have always

[37:37]been those who have indulged in what in either male male relations

[37:41]or female female relations that being there all the time doesn't mean

[37:46]it was a norm therefore someone asked what's islam's problem islam doesn't

[37:50]want someone to be sexually happy as in what's the issue with

[37:53]islam islam on the contrary if ever there was a religion that

[37:56]encouraged sexual relations it's islam we are not the christianity that had

[38:02]priests who are celibate who devote their life to god in what

[38:06]in reality is possibly one of the most unnatural ways of life

[38:10]you can have at the end of the day there are certain

[38:13]organs in the human body which are created for certain things biologically

[38:19]speaking those organs are created for certain things and there are others

[38:24]which certainly are not created for any sexual interaction that there is

[38:29]no doubt but let's say for example that within the church there

[38:33]are those who say i devote myself to god that sexual norm

[38:38]is not something we accept where a person says that i devote

[38:41]myself to god therefore i will not get married at all even

[38:45]a person came to the imam he said to him or she

[38:49]said to the imam that i don't want to get married because

[38:52]i am a lady who wants to devote my life to god

[38:55]i want to remain celibate spiritual of the people who have ma'adifa

[39:02]and tasawwaf at that moment the imam replied back to her by

[39:06]saying if staying away from marriage and relations means you get closer

[39:11]to god then the first who wouldn't have got married would have

[39:14]been fatima tazarah alaihi salam because if anyone knows spirituality it's fatima

[39:19]tazarah alaihi salam but in the same way fatima tazarah got married

[39:22]rasulullah got married the imams got married islam is not antisense but

[39:28]islam makes it clear that there are certain desires in the human

[39:32]being which we call neutral desires what do i mean eating food

[39:38]is it something good or bad neutral eating food is a desire

[39:42]within the human being you can't categorize eating food as good or

[39:46]bad but you can direct it to being that which is good

[39:50]or that which is bad therefore in islamic law we're told how

[39:55]you eat don't just for example make your stomachs a graveyard for

[39:59]animals have a break every once in a while meat meat chicken

[40:03]meat meat meat meat meat meat nonstop there's a period a person

[40:06]can have some vegetables there's a person a person can change that

[40:10]particular habit in itself food is neutral i can either guide food

[40:16]to making me look healthy or making me someone obese who doesn't

[40:21]look after themselves at all at the end of the day that

[40:24]eating of food the direction is given to me by what by

[40:28]religion which tells me even how i munch my food isn't that

[40:31]true it says for example munch it into pieces don't just swallow

[40:35]it whole try and munch it into pieces try and not finish

[40:39]a meal full i've always said that's one of the recipes of

[40:44]success as you don't finish that meal going oh now i feel

[40:48]heavy i tell you why ali ibn abi talib picked that up

[40:52]years ago he said when you eat don't eat until you're full

[40:55]stop just before and look at the difference in your health how

[40:59]many times you see people who will turn around and say oh

[41:02]my god i'm so heavy i can't move that's not islamic it's

[41:06]not islamic islamically speaking a person doesn't finish until they can't move

[41:11]a person stops at a certain point why because the religion has

[41:16]helped guide what is a neutral desire who knows the creation better

[41:22]the creator or the creation you tell me the designer of the

[41:26]ferrari who knows the ferrari better the person who designed it or

[41:31]me when i give my opinion i could look at the ferrari

[41:33]and say for example that i believe the engine should be at

[41:36]the front not the engine should be at the back the person

[41:39]in maranello will turn around and say listen happy be enter you

[41:42]can have your opinion but we're the ones who design it we

[41:45]know you better than you know yourself if my worldview is a

[41:49]worldview where god is in the worldview problem is the sexual dimension

[41:54]we live in now hedonistic nihilistic everything goes swinging normal cruising normal

[42:02]dogging normal all of these are normal now they become a norm

[42:06]when i say they become a norm if a person speaks out

[42:09]against them why are you speaking out and exactly the same as

[42:13]what lot's community replied back to him when he said to them

[42:18]they look at him and his people and they're like in front

[42:24]of us he says you're extravagant they're like you're too puritanical exactly

[42:28]the same there was an article recently about gyms in london of

[42:33]them the most famous or one of the most famous chains is

[42:36]the virgin active gyms of those gyms now they're discussing how gyms

[42:41]are a place for you to have wonderful male male relations they

[42:46]tell you for example go to this sauna or you pick up

[42:49]someone there and you found that some i must admit of the

[42:53]gay community will say that look this shouldn't be done we should

[42:56]respect others who are in the gym and then there's someone who

[42:59]replied wallah you would think i swear by my lord i swear

[43:05]and that you can find the article online virgin active and they're

[43:08]talking about this cruising culture islam's not against sex islam just says

[43:12]listen don't let your animalistic side take over you that's all don't

[43:16]let it take over you when you see this person you know

[43:18]what he says they said to him but isn't this immoral he

[43:22]said and why god has created us with parts which we want

[43:26]to use and if i want to use them at a gym

[43:28]or in the bathroom or the showers of a gym what's there

[43:31]to stop me these people puritanical all they talk about is religion

[43:36]imagine the quran same verses are active in london here in this

[43:40]discussion that a person talks actively that's why are they i am

[43:47]of the people god i've been given this why do i need

[43:50]these people to stop this god's created me natural buddy god created

[43:53]us with certain things naturally i agree with you to urinate is

[43:57]natural for example but what do i do i walk in the

[43:59]middle of the street in front of everyone urinate not everything that's

[44:02]natural is moral there are certain things that have to be guided

[44:06]i had them there are not an animal the problem is now

[44:10]the structure socially is you're an animal because now even when they

[44:13]compare and they say to me do you know this is natural

[44:16]i say how is it natural they say because a penguin does

[44:19]it who cares what a penguin does i don't know what's a

[44:22]penguin he says to me a penguin does this i'm like you

[44:26]for real he goes a monkey does this my brother a creation

[44:32]or a species that produced gibran and produced laozhu and produced shakespeare

[44:40]and produced hawkins and produced and produced and produced you're comparing it

[44:44]to a penguin well i don't understand really really the problem is

[44:49]we live in a society of sheep as well that's the problem

[44:52]you live in a sheep society well how did covid become so

[44:55]strong because they knew this world is full of sheep covid when

[44:59]they want to spread the word about covid yes we see people

[45:02]who have died of covid but they want to exaggerate it they

[45:05]know everyone's sheep these are all sheep tell them there's a virus

[45:08]going around they're gonna go nuts and we'll take over everything because

[45:12]they're all sheep none of them are gonna question authority question the

[45:16]narrative when i see former disney stars hannah montana imagine innocents now

[45:24]cannot come on television without being nude what's this is sad this

[45:28]is what we wanted this is the ethics that we wanted as

[45:31]in where has society gone that you've become anywhere let's go is

[45:36]there any parks we can go where we can be with each

[45:38]that's it and you know what the worst thing is there is

[45:41]a whole pride day a pride which is called gay pride everybody

[45:45]can come out and celebrate if i did some of the things

[45:51]that day that they do or if i dressed like this you

[45:56]know what they say take it to a room go somewhere else

[45:58]you here's these two people for example kissing in the cinema so

[46:02]look at these two but if it's in the pride none of

[46:06]you can say anything because if you do you're backward buddy you

[46:10]have your narrative i have mine i live in the same sight

[46:14]as you i accept no doubt we're all together i'll tolerate doesn't

[46:18]mean i accept what you're doing in a gay pride you're walking

[46:21]what's you walking with so why do you need to walk with

[46:23]whips and leashes what's all this about but no one can say

[46:27]a word you can't say why because the ceos of some of

[46:30]the biggest companies in the world belong to this orientation the very

[46:33]people who i used to call people and others who i use

[46:37]for my laptops they belong to this these people don't have no

[46:41]such thing as there's no accountability sexually what i feel you're not

[46:47]gonna stop there is no barometer if a drag queen has to

[46:52]teach the children then so be it let her dress in drag

[46:55]she'll teach your kids why why you have to dress in drag

[46:58]to come and teach your kid why we go in that direction

[47:01]what's the so therefore for us in islam sexual morality has to

[47:06]have certain barometers certain boundaries same way you have a problem when

[47:11]you you muslims can marry four i could marry no problem i'll

[47:15]tell you all the guidelines the laws what's related to it who

[47:18]were some of us can't get past one you want us to

[47:20]get past four no problem you want us to look at these

[47:24]likewise if i was to look at yourself everyone has their lens

[47:28]but where are we going now where now certain acts of frivolity

[47:33]have become a norm therefore someone asked what if for example someone

[47:37]says i want to be gay and muslim muslim and gay is

[47:41]there anything wrong with this there's no such thing and i don't

[47:45]know why you're causing yourself difficulty with this as in why do

[47:49]you wanna stick to being a muslim there's so many other ways

[47:51]of life where you can go and enjoy yourself you can go

[47:55]and enjoy yourself without anyone stopping you why do you wanna stick

[47:59]with this religion why in all honesty sincerely as in if i

[48:03]see now someone who's gay and muslim there's no such thing they're

[48:06]like hold on why is there no such thing because we believe

[48:09]that such an act is an act which is immoral it's not

[48:13]natural it is something if you get it from society i have

[48:16]no doubt there are many ways in which a person can become

[48:20]aroused there are many ways in which a person thinks something is

[48:23]natural there are many ways in society i don't care how straight

[48:25]you are you can still be affected by society don't get me

[48:28]wrong but as a muslim you cannot be muslim and gay someone

[48:35]says why on the first level imam makes it clear a person

[48:40]who believes that this act of sodomy is also an act acceptable

[48:48]for them while they're a muslim becomes a kaafir at that moment

[48:52]becomes a disbeliever because you know there are certain people who feel

[48:55]they can get away with it in which way they feel that

[48:59]they can get away with it by saying that look i love

[49:02]god i love the prophet yeah but buddy you can't pick and

[49:05]choose what of the prophet you want to love and take as

[49:09]in either there is a prophet who's come with a particular way

[49:11]of life you either accept it or you don't you can't stop

[49:14]picking and choosing i wish we could pick and choose i wish

[49:17]same way others don't we wish guys we we don't we wish

[49:21]we wish we could pick and choose even the arabs were turning

[49:24]around and they were saying to the prophet peace be upon him

[49:27]and his family they were saying that listen we'll become muslim but

[49:30]on one condition can we still go to our idol like once

[49:32]a week i wish we could pick and choose there were others

[49:35]who were saying we'll be muslim but allow us to drink i

[49:38]wish we can pick and choose but we can't someone says but

[49:41]you still allow people who commit sins to come to the mosque

[49:47]there are those who drink alcohol and they come to the mosque

[49:51]that person who drinks alcohol on the first level that person if

[49:56]they don't believe that what they're doing is something allowed by islam

[49:59]they may be sinning but you'll see them say that i wish

[50:02]this is something that i stop insha'allah i have an intention to

[50:06]stop you'll never see someone who's drinking alcohol or someone say you

[50:09]know what i think that this is perfectly alright yeah you might

[50:11]find certain parts of i don't know maybe some of the middle

[50:13]east some parts of pakistan where people can mix 50 identities in

[50:17]one human being but generally you will not find a person if

[50:22]they're a sinner who'll be like yeah i love i actually believe

[50:25]in what i'm doing and i'm comfortable they'll say normally you know

[50:28]what i need to change this bro i need to stop this

[50:29]bro therefore there's a difference between someone who says that what i'm

[50:34]doing is okay and i'm a muslim and someone who says you

[50:39]know what what i'm doing is not right bro you know what

[50:41]i've got to stop you i'm gonna change it i have intention

[50:43]to secondly do i stop someone who for example has that orientation

[50:50]and at the same time wants to come to the mosque you

[50:53]don't stop them from coming to the mosque this is the house

[50:55]of god not your house what do i mean someone who for

[51:00]example identifies as gay but they are also muslim imagine they wanted

[51:05]to come to majdas al hussain in the mosque do i stand

[51:09]at the door in front of this person and stop them no

[51:13]i don't that person is coming for example to the house of

[51:16]god they want to open up to their lord they want to

[51:20]talk with their lord that space has to be there because there's

[51:23]something i want to make clear me differing with someone on their

[51:28]lens of sexual morality is one thing like the jewish community we

[51:33]both believe that the act is prohibited however i will never accept

[51:38]people who show hate crimes to people because of their sexual orientation

[51:43]that is not acceptable someone has a sexual orientation there's no hate

[51:46]crimes to be shown to them there's a difference between the law

[51:50]and there is difference between the ethics legally i can agree with

[51:53]you that listen you believe in something i believe in another we

[51:56]can agree to disagree whereas ethically i don't go and show hate

[52:00]crime to somebody because of their orientation if now and by the

[52:04]way this question was posed to ayatollah hasi stani may allah lengthen

[52:07]his life that if there is someone in the community who has

[52:09]that particular lifestyle they want to come to the mosque said you

[52:12]don't stop them they welcome into the mosque because that person only

[52:16]god knows what they've been through in life i'm not here to

[52:19]judge let me make this clear if there is someone out there

[52:22]i don't know who's been sexually abused when they were younger and

[52:25]they've held it in for a long time there are many who've

[52:29]been sexually abused and i'm telling you within the muslim community you

[52:33]have this as rampant by the way some of the more religious

[52:36]ones sometimes if you look at their faces in our communities they

[52:39]may have positions in the mosque and you find that they are

[52:44]predators in which sense they may have abused a three year old

[52:48]a two year old a five year old a six year old

[52:51]sometimes within their own families those people therefore who may have decided

[52:58]for a particular lifestyle at the end of the day i am

[53:01]no one to judge what they've been through in life at the

[53:05]end that person may have gone through a traumatic experience someone says

[53:09]but sayidna there might be someone who says that no i've not

[53:12]gone through any experience this is my choice i've decided that i

[53:16]want this what do we do about this let's make a distinction

[53:19]on two fronts a distinction between someone who's a lgbt activist so

[53:25]lesbian is haram prohibited in islam gay prohibited in islam bisexual prohibited

[53:31]in islam transgender or sex reassignment surgery that may take place for

[53:37]example where someone may be male but they may have certain organs

[53:41]of the body parts of the body of a female you find

[53:45]the likes of allowed for that reassignment surgery may have a difference

[53:52]of opinion but you found that therefore someone who comes and says

[53:56]i'm part of an lgbt movement politically is different from someone who

[54:01]is gay but doesn't necessarily identify publicly as it and may even

[54:08]have difficulties with what they're facing because i've got to be very

[54:12]clear when someone in our community tells me that i find that

[54:17]this is my orientation for example since the age of five i've

[54:21]got to admit mind you at the age of five i didn't

[54:24]even know i had private parts but anyway everyone seems to have

[54:28]a story at the age of five that they remember that they

[54:30]were born on that path no problem you have good memory my

[54:34]memory is not the best anyway so when you come to that

[54:38]you may have somebody who says to you that from that age

[54:41]i always felt that i was of this orientation no problem and

[54:46]until today they are of that orientation no issue i personally don't

[54:51]know how exactly it feels to be certain that you are attracted

[54:57]to the same i don't know i really don't and i think

[55:01]it's a it's a gray area in the muslim world because it's

[55:04]easy for a person to look at theology and look at law

[55:09]abstractly but when someone's your own cousin and they come and tell

[55:14]you that i've i can't be attracted for example to the opposite

[55:18]gender at that moment what do you do here our mosques i

[55:22]believe one area they're missing there needs to be more openness not

[55:26]just on taboo subjects but even services where someone can open up

[55:31]where counseling can take place where a person can talk i don't

[55:36]want us if someone now comes and tells me that i have

[55:39]been in a relationship with same gender five six years can they

[55:42]do repentance can they do torben no of course they can and

[55:45]the door of god is always open what if someone says i

[55:48]just can't help this okay let's have time to talk about this

[55:51]let's open up we shouldn't push people away there should be space

[55:55]to talk about these things someone may have never opened up to

[55:59]somebody about these things they've decided to continue with that lifestyle if

[56:04]they really believe in god and they believe in the prophet and

[56:06]the al al bayt it's not gonna work for them to accept

[56:10]that that lifestyle's and i know people on a personal level who

[56:15]have that type of inclination and feelings but they say it's my

[56:20]test and i'm not gonna do anything which i believe goes against

[56:22]god and that is a big test in all honesty because if

[56:26]a person tries to compare it to us even if we have

[56:28]a test sexually we can still get married one day whereas that

[56:32]person for them can they get married one day have people changed

[56:36]people have changed no one says bisexual there are some who believe

[56:39]they're gay suddenly they go with a female then they come back

[56:42]to a male then they come back to a few people not

[56:45]necessarily always as clear as it seems but someone says sayyidna the

[56:49]end it's part of our society now 2020 what's wrong we've evolved

[56:54]we've moved on you know what's wrong the problem is if something

[56:58]which is seen as illegal prohibited taboo unnatural only fifty years ago

[57:04]has now become something very normal what other things which are prohibited

[57:09]today will become normal because when someone tells me that look someone

[57:13]tells me that i'm born gay what if someone one day says

[57:17]that i'm born with attraction to my family members like my son

[57:22]for example incest is something which is seen as being abhorrent today

[57:27]but even if i say it's abhorrent in 2070 who knows it

[57:31]could be normal someone says no can't be say why can't it

[57:34]be say because medically incest is disgusting it's weird it's awful it

[57:39]hurts it destroys if i'm not mistaken aids was called the gay

[57:44]syndrome and today people have found medicine science has developed and you

[57:52]can look after yourself from hiv or from aids in certain ways

[57:55]so what's there to stop in fifty years time someone saying that

[57:58]if a father decides to sleep say a father's 49 their son

[58:01]is 25 they wanna have a relationship ancestrally someone says for allah

[58:06]this is not but hold on fifty years ago we were saying

[58:08]for allah now it's okay and fifty years ago society was saying

[58:12]it's wrong now okay let me even other areas i'm not saying

[58:16]that i'm equating these two together all i'm saying is if there's

[58:20]no codification of laws of marriage there's no guidance then there's no

[58:25]limit to where sexual morality or rather will go now you see

[58:31]in the schools what are they saying children as young as whatever

[58:35]eight nine years of age from now telling them that listen you

[58:38]can have two dads you can have two moms you have to

[58:42]learn about this you have to accept this on the one hand

[58:44]as we mentioned if someone does find this out you don't show

[58:47]hate to someone because of their orientation on the other why are

[58:50]you forcing it on me buddy why why are you forcing it

[58:53]i'm not understanding you're the ones who are against the right and

[58:57]the right wings and you become more right wing than the right

[59:00]wing when it comes to this issue i thought you were left

[59:02]and they were right now if you don't accept this issue you're

[59:06]backwards i thought you're left wing not right wing i'd expect this

[59:09]from someone very conservative so extreme and now the left has become

[59:14]the far right because now if you don't so what do we

[59:18]do as a muslim community first and foremost there has to be

[59:21]more political involvement in us with the schools and with the local

[59:25]council alhamdulillah in your jama'at here in peterborough you have the likes

[59:30]of al hajj raza hussain raheem and others who are very active

[59:34]i had the pleasure of visiting faizaana medina mosque today and meeting

[59:39]brothers of our sunni community here in peterborough and we had the

[59:43]discussions concerning many of the pertinent issues and i saw hajj raza

[59:48]hussain discussing this area secondly be on the school board so you

[59:52]have a say in what's going on thirdly there should be a

[59:55]right for parents to opt out the jewish community made it clear

[60:01]that a person has a right to opt out and our schools

[60:05]we have the right to opt out someone says what if i'm

[60:06]not in a private school or i'm not in a have the

[60:10]right to opt out have consultation with the teachers sit with the

[60:14]teachers let's look at the curriculum maybe i don't want my children

[60:18]to be exposed to such imagery young i'm all for people learning

[60:23]about science of anatomy and biology there's certain ages which children comprehend

[60:29]they don't comprehend why are we going towards a society where you

[60:33]think sometimes pedophiles are running the whole shore because i get weary

[60:37]sometimes when every time i hear members of government's files are coming

[60:41]out from last fifty years who are abusing seven year olds eight

[60:45]year olds in schools i don't know what's going on with the

[60:48]sexual imagery and the sexual morality because hedonism is going to a

[60:53]crazy proportion at the moment and certain people's fantasies are being fulfilled

[60:58]in our name and the only way that we can change it

[61:01]as what is by sitting down consulting and saying that listen if

[61:05]my kids are going to learn about these things i believe there's

[61:07]an age for them i believe that there's a level of maturity

[61:11]that you need for these things but further than that not only

[61:14]must we be in consultation but we also have to look at

[61:17]where our youth are heading as well because these are slippery slopes

[61:21]sex and sexual morality they are slippery slopes anyone can fall and

[61:26]there are certain areas we have to think about and many of

[61:30]these who have been involved in such acts when he tells you

[61:33]about his first experience you know what he says we had a

[61:36]few drinks that night we had a few drinks that night we

[61:38]had a few drinks that night we had a few drinks that

[61:40]night the poison that is alcohol that has led to so much

[61:46]sexual abuse that has led to so much sin that has led

[61:49]to innocent girls crossing a road with someone hitting them drunk driving

[61:53]that has led to wives being beaten by drunkards and still you

[62:00]put it on the shelves drink drink because it's money who cares

[62:04]madam who cares morality it's money one of the main areas which

[62:09]starts off such movements from the time of nabiulud until where until

[62:14]today alcohol i don't care who you are you just need a

[62:18]good night of drinking your best friend who you never weren't attracted

[62:22]to you'll kiss them there and then you don't need to it

[62:25]doesn't mean that you're gay but you'll still try you'll experiment it's

[62:29]a fad drugs look at the drug culture that's involved because when

[62:34]you're telling me someone says it's just my orientation how comes half

[62:37]the party is drugs one way alcohol the other i'm not saying

[62:40]it doesn't happen in the straight community but this drugs and alcohol

[62:43]has no limits in the way it can destroy the human being

[62:46]these intoxicants mixed with a person who has no moral barometer can

[62:52]destroy society and why did you say imam al hussain rose for

[62:57]what reason when he saw alcohol on the mambar in shyam he

[63:02]knew this religion is about to die he knew because on the

[63:05]one hand his grandfather was preaching that alcohol while it's available can

[63:09]ruin people's lives look how many actors could not survive because of

[63:14]them being addicted to alcohol to drugs which made them go into

[63:18]a world of sexuality and morality which was far from what society

[63:24]wanted and you found imam al hussain looking in sham sheikh abdul

[63:28]hamid kishkan his famous lines when he looks at imam al hussain

[63:31]at karbala yazid and sham you know what he says knowledge and

[63:37]he compares it with what with alcohol he says silk and alcohol

[63:42]in a throne in damascus and knowledge lies on the ground in

[63:46]karbala allahu akbar look at the difference between the two you've got

[63:51]a person over there who is part of a society where they

[63:55]don't mind this poison being drunk everywhere that is a key to

[63:58]so many sins and you had on the side of imam al

[64:01]hussain the best of role models because our youth the only way

[64:05]they will remain strong is when you bring up the role models

[64:09]they can look up to and who can you look up to

[64:11]in karbala how many youth role models could i give you who

[64:15]highlighted how to live a pure life a chaste life a life

[64:19]where you were moral there are so many you can refer to

[64:22]on the plains of karbala but every year one stands out in

[64:27]particular for the way he had reached a level of wisdom and

[64:31]morality like none other qasim ibn al hasan qasim ibn al hasan

[64:37]was one of the six seven sons of imam al hassan who

[64:42]was there on the plains of karbala this young man believe you

[64:46]me is a role model and do you know why i believe

[64:49]that on the tenth of muharram one of the most wonderful lines

[64:53]you'll ever see of wisdom wisdom for you to say this for

[64:57]example at the age of 11 is not something small because some

[65:01]of the companions would have conversations with imam al hussain when they'd

[65:08]have these conversations of these conversations there'd be these conversations which one

[65:13]day someone has to write about a book which type of book

[65:18]the intimate conversations of the afternoon of the tenth of muharram the

[65:25]intimate conversations some are conversations between a brother and a sister 57

[65:31]and 55 years of age some are intimate conversations between a mom

[65:35]and her six month old baby some are intimate conversations between an

[65:41]elder brother and a younger brother but seeing a younger brother with

[65:44]no arms there are many intimate conversations in karbala conversations of intimacy

[65:52]of softness and of them imam al hussain with qasim how because

[65:58]they'll always have this intimate conversation it looks like we're going to

[66:03]die aba abdullah sukaina would ask him dad have you submitted yourself

[66:08]to death is this the final moments akbar would speak to him

[66:12]are we not on the truth are these not the final moments

[66:17]qasim with his uncle when his uncle began to make clear that

[66:22]these are the final moments and then he looked at qasim when

[66:27]he looked at him he said to him my nephew how do

[66:30]you view death allahu akbar look at the level of maturity you

[66:35]can you reach in your youth you want to throw all sorts

[66:39]of immorality on our youth our youth are the sons of qasim

[66:43]and akbar the sons of aun and muhammad qasim how do you

[66:48]view death it's a question many of us are scared of death

[66:53]many of us don't wanna talk about death many of us wanna

[66:55]run away from death he says uncle with you death is sweeter

[67:00]than honey allah what a line with you it's sweeter than honey

[67:07]but on that afternoon of the tenth of muharram something stopped abba

[67:11]abdullah from sending him out what was it every time he'd look

[67:16]in qasim he'd see his brother in his eyes he was close

[67:19]to imam al hassan so at that moment you would find that

[67:25]when qasim came to him young man he came to him he

[67:29]said to him uncle it's my turn now i want to go

[67:32]out and defend you this same qasim had a brother called abdullah

[67:37]who had defended imam al hussain imam al hassan came towards qasim

[67:43]he said to him qasim no your mother ramla she's on the

[67:48]army she's in the tent because this was a sensitive moment my

[67:52]dear brothers and sisters on one side what did you have on

[67:56]one side you had the fazari's and the other so ramla's side

[68:01]of her family were in yazid's army imagine this the fazari's were

[68:06]in yazid's army she is in imam al hussein's army so he

[68:11]said to him go look after your mom go back his mom

[68:15]the tears begun to trickle from her eyes she said qasim why

[68:20]are you back he said to her mom my uncle didn't let

[68:23]me go she said to him why not he said you're too

[68:27]young you should go and stay with your mom it's as if

[68:30]imam al hussain knows that they'll be kicking his mother they'll be

[68:35]slapping his mother they'll be hurting his mother so the narration mentions

[68:40]that his mother said young man come with me imagine what type

[68:43]of mother is that the the morality she said qasim come with

[68:48]me you know she said that with a number of sons this

[68:51]lady gave many on the tenth of muharram yes herself gave many

[68:57]she came to abba abdullah she said abba abdullah this is the

[69:01]of your elder brother this is the of your elder brother your

[69:07]elder brother said there'll be a day when my brother hossein don't

[69:15]leave him please make sure my sons represent him imam al hussain

[69:20]of his soft spots was his brother hassan why because imam al

[69:25]hussain and imam al hussain and sayyidah zaynab they saw all tragedies

[69:29]together they saw the door pushed on their mother they saw ibn

[69:35]muldjam strike the sword on the head he had seen the poison

[69:40]that venomously destroyed his brother she said in the name of hassan

[69:46]my husband and your brother let qasim go don't let qasim be

[69:51]disappointed he broke down at that moment imam al hussain he truly

[69:59]broke down may allah give peace to the heart of fatima tizara

[70:04]when she heard this qasim came out to the battlefield imagine this

[70:11]i want you to all imagine this because sometimes in the maasai

[70:13]or the nai many times we rush through it but sometimes i

[70:17]feel some delicate moments need to be stopped at qasim young not

[70:21]affected by the pressure of society qasim came out stood in front

[70:25]of everyone when he came out he stood and he recited lines

[70:30]of poetry what lines did he want to mention there are a

[70:34]couple of points in these lines first that if you don't know

[70:42]me maybe you don't know who i am i'm the son of

[70:45]hassan he's making it clear the time the grandson of who he's

[70:55]the grandson of rasulullah then these lines they break my heart hossein

[71:07]do you know what this hossein is he's like a prisoner like

[71:10]a captive yes he said that it's between these people most evil

[71:21]the most treacherous of people when he said these lines he began

[71:26]to fight them one on one you'd think that ibn hasid had

[71:32]come back to life in the way that qasim was defending imam

[71:37]al hussein one by one he'd attack the soldiers of the position

[71:43]and none of them could get to him every time when they'd

[71:49]attack him he'd defend himself until he came to abi abdullah he

[71:57]said the armor of my body is heavy for me but he

[72:02]remained strong he continued to fight omar bin saad noticed something bani

[72:07]hashem you should never fight them one on one because they'll defeat

[72:11]you it doesn't matter if they're 11 it doesn't matter if they're

[72:14]70 they'll finish you one on one all of a sudden the

[72:18]men are beginning to surround qasim rumble as a heart broke at

[72:24]that moment may allah give sabr to the mother of qasim ibn

[72:29]al hasan when they began to attack him he still defended himself

[72:34]until one of the men who struck him on his head fell

[72:38]and called out my uncle abba come to me imam al hussein

[72:47]at that moment when he saw him on the ground he came

[72:51]out running to him he killed the opposition he sat by that

[72:56]scene may allah give you sabr at this moment looked towards the

[73:01]eyes of his nephew he said it hurts me that you called

[73:08]upon me but i could not help you oh that i came

[73:13]near you but i was not able to save you imam picked

[73:18]up qasem i asked you one thing how do you pick up

[73:21]a body with pieces everywhere how do you pick that body up

[73:27]because he returned back to the tent so qaeda called out baba

[73:32]where is my your cousin's body where is he here he entered

[73:37]the tent ramla did not cry straight away nor did the other

[73:42]mother of the other son zaynab looked at imam al hussain she

[73:46]said abba abdullah can you leave the tent he said to her

[73:50]why she said the mother wants to mourn for her son but

[73:55]she doesn't want to break your heart the imam walked away the

[74:01]mother fell on the body of her son the way rabat fell

[74:06]on azharan alaiila fell on akbar that sham e hariba just before

[74:12]it on the afternoon of the tenth of muharram these bodies were

[74:16]all lying on the ground they had beheaded imam al hussain they

[74:20]had killed everybody else omar ibn saad was standing there he'll turn

[74:25]round to the horse riders he said to them i want you

[74:28]to all sharpen the hooves of your horses they went they sharpened

[74:33]the hooves of their horses he then said to them get ready

[74:37]now they said what do you want he said i want you

[74:40]to trample on the bodies of the companions of hussein they said

[74:45]to him who do you want us to trample on began to

[74:48]mention name by name they said but khorus tribe they came forward

[74:55]they said listen you've killed our son we can't let you trample

[74:58]on his body he said muslim and abu sajid habib ibn mudahir

[75:02]the tribe of bani asad came they said listen you've trampled on

[75:05]our son's body we do not allow we've killed him you do

[75:09]not allow him to trample one by one they went through the

[75:13]tribes but each of them had a tribe to protect them all

[75:18]of a sudden omar ibn saad called out trample on the body

[75:23]of bani hashim's members when he said trample on the body of

[75:28]qasim ben uphazarah who on the side of yazid called out you've

[75:34]killed our son and don't trample on his body when he said

[75:39]trample on the body of ali al akbarah at that side ali

[75:43]al akbar was the relative of yazid from his mother and they

[75:47]said you've already killed him don't trample on his body when he

[75:52]said trample on the body of abu al fad will abbas al

[75:56]baneen was related to shimr bin al jawshan so they said leave

[76:01]the body alone at this moment all of you know where i'm

[76:05]heading at this moment they called out is there any body that

[76:10]lies on the ground whose mother and father's tribe are not here

[76:15]to protect him they said to him there's only one body that

[76:20]lies on the ground whose mother and father shrive are not here

[76:25]to look after him he said to them whom they said hossein

[76:30]benali at that moment they began everyone had a tribe to protect

[76:59]their son except the son of ali you allah raise us with

[77:09]muhammad and al muhammad raise us with the imam of our time

[77:13]imam saa you allah for all of our brothers around the world

[77:20]give them patience in their tests you allah allow us to visit

[77:26]the grave of abba abdullah and renew our covenant with qasim ibn

[77:30]al hassan alaihi salaam my dear brothers and sisters we have a

[77:35]number of people who are feeling unwell many of you have messaged

[77:38]me there's a few names sayyid muhammad haydar radawi sister hasina karmali

[77:44]others who have asked i would like all of us to recite

[77:48]together wherever we may be all of us together allah in the

[78:27]name of the one who was allah bless the soul of all

[78:40]of his may allah bless the soul of all of your marhumin

[78:45]let us recite but before it wherever you may be the loudest

[78:50]of your salawat allah

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