Night 3 - 'Sharia Law & the Death Penalty' - Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani

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[0:03][Music] me [Music] [Music] [Music] oh [Music] um bismillah peace be upon

[2:11]allah hussain the children of al-hussein and the companions of allah hussain

[2:17]and may the mercy and blessings of allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala be upon

[2:23]them all my dear scholars my brothers and sisters i praise allah

[2:31]the most merciful and the most gracious for giving me the opportunity

[2:36]to once again commemorate the holy month of maharam where we commemorate

[2:41]the tragedies that we fell upon the son of bibi fatima islam

[2:45]his family and his companions a brief introduction to myself my name

[2:49]is i am currently the peterborough husseini islamic center jamaat president and

[2:56]i'm extremely proud of the community that i have been given the

[3:01]opportunity to serve as you will have seen from yesterday's short presentation

[3:05]our community in peterborough have embarked on a project known as the

[3:08]alkyne project in order to cater for our current and future needs

[3:13]we are very close to completion but we really need your help

[3:17]to assist us in removing our deficit and to help us to

[3:22]upgrade our current center to a standard that is not only in

[3:26]synergy with the new center but also one that our imam alaihissalam

[3:29]would be pleased with please indulge me for a few minutes whilst

[3:33]i'll take you on a journey as to how we established the

[3:37]first purpose-built shia center in peterborough after being expelled from uganda in

[3:45]1972 our community our community members came here as refugees within the

[3:48]united kingdom the love of the athol bait amongst those individuals was

[3:52]such that regardless of how they lived the first thing they did

[3:56]was to purchase a piece of land to build a center where

[4:00]the azadari of imam hussain could be held this was in 1974.

[4:07]in 1978 the masjid today here where this light tribe mission is

[4:13]relayed was built very soon the lovers of allah and the rightful

[4:16]chosen ones began to move to peterborough and in 1992 in order

[4:20]to cater for the growing number of families our entire center was

[4:25]upgraded and refurbished that was 28 years ago and our community has

[4:31]grown and continues to do so there became a shortage of space

[4:34]for our community members but especially for our junior our future generation

[4:39]who attend hussein madressa currently we have nearly 270 regular attendees of

[4:45]our madrasa and space for them is very very tight we are

[4:51]even holding madressa classes in a mobile classroom as we don't have

[4:55]the space internally allah subhanahu wa ta'ala opened doors for us all

[4:59]and we had a one in a million opportunity to purchase a

[5:04]warehouse and land that was next door to us i personally see

[5:07]this as an amazing blessing and an opportunity was that was given

[5:10]to us all we purchased the warehouse in the land in 2007

[5:17]13 years ago we had some setbacks that were beyond our control

[5:22]but one of them was regards finance alhamdulillah with the generosity of

[5:27]our internal community and our brothers and sisters from around the world

[5:35]whether with their confidence in us their financial help or the duas

[5:39]we have reached the stage where we are nearing completion of our

[5:43]alkyne building albeit with a deficit of almost 1 million pounds a

[5:49]further 1 million pounds is also required to upgrade our 23 year

[5:52]old center and much needed security please let me show you a

[5:58]short video of the alkyne building as it stands today once complete

[6:04]the alkyne site will include crash facilities for our younger visitors [Music]

[6:12]a suitable sized mayfield hall for our respected ladies [Music] a light

[6:30]sports area for our youth a room for our respected elders that

[6:35]will cater for their functions no matter how large or small an

[6:39]increase to the number of our interactive classrooms to nurture the needs

[6:45]of our madressa students [Music] our very own interactive study room with

[7:00]library and computers to assist our members with islamic and secular studies

[7:05][Music] more washrooms and voodoo facilities for both ladies and gents [Music]

[7:28]and much much more [Music] [Music] many have been generous towards our

[8:10]local community project and rewards will both be seen in this life

[8:14]and invested to the hereafter every penny that you have donated towards

[8:18]an islamic mission such as the al-qaim project are sadka al-jadhir and

[8:23]investments that will transition to our eternal abodes making them the best

[8:27]forms of investment it is with this note that i ask you

[8:31]to pledge once again to ease the deficit that we still retain

[8:34]with a final push for every individual to donate and help the

[8:38]community to complete the project in the predicted time frame no matter

[8:41]how large or small you can afford it is an equal deed

[8:46]of generosity where your intention will serve you well before allah the

[8:50]almighty please act today and help us we have ijaza from our

[8:52]mercy his eminence al-sistani for comes each zikr of our imams each

[8:58]letter of the holy quran that is recited within the walls of

[9:01]our new center whether by our esteemed scholars the worshipers attending our

[9:05]various majalis by our young madrasa students amongst others will be written

[9:08]and will be rewarded to us insha allah both in this world

[9:12]and the next thank you finally peterborough hussain islamic center extends its

[9:18]deepest condolences to all mormon in on the tragic martyrdom of the

[9:24]master of martyrs imam hussain alaihis [Music] hussain great is our reward

[9:33]and your reward from wa allah for our grief for imam hussain

[9:37]alaihis bismillahim foreign [Music] foreign and the death penalty is without a

[11:17]doubt one of the most important discussions in islamic thought a discussion

[11:21]that affects the lives of muslims and non-muslims alike and one that

[11:26]requires a thorough dissection for it's one from which many lessons may

[11:30]be learned and many important examples may be derived when you conjure

[11:39]up images are images that are normally associated with beheadings with executions

[11:45]with cutting of hands and indeed with hanging people when people normally

[11:51]discuss sharia law the images or the definitions that they have of

[11:56]sharia law our definitions very much regarding the penal system regarding the

[12:02]punishments which are meted out if for example someone commits a crime

[12:08]within an islamic state when we hear for example that muslims cut

[12:12]off your hands if you steal or that muslims will kill you

[12:17]if you apostate or that muslims will stone the adulteress to death

[12:23]or that muslims will throw for example people of buildings or they

[12:28]may even go to punishments even worse than this you find that

[12:33]it's contradictory on the one hand to say that islam is a

[12:38]religion of peace and then have punishments like the punishments that can

[12:42]be found within sharia law this therefore led many non-muslims to always

[12:48]have a problem with sharia law and even have a fear of

[12:55]sharia law and even push certain muslims away from islam because of

[12:58]these punishments we cannot deny that these punishments of beheading of stoning

[13:04]of for example whipping execution crucifixion are all either in the quran

[13:12]or in the sunnah of the holy prophet because the main sources

[13:18]of law are always going to be across the board in all

[13:21]the schools of islam the quran or the sunnah of the holy

[13:25]prophet peace be upon him and his family they may differ on

[13:27]other areas such as how much a person will rely on consensus

[13:32]or their intellect or the public interest or for example the customs

[13:38]of the time but generally speaking in the quran and the sunnah

[13:40]you find that there are verses and there are hadiths that say

[13:44]someone steals cut their hands someone commits zina make sure that you

[13:48]stone them to death someone who for example is of those who

[13:53]murders then murder them as well someone who wages war against allah

[14:00]and his prophet as we see in the verses in surat al-maidah

[14:04]you should either kill them crucify them or you should banish them

[14:11]from the earth all of these when a person hears them makes

[14:14]them ask questions that if islam is a religion that wants to

[14:18]promote peace and how many of us tell our non-muslim friends that

[14:22]islam means peace when my muslim friends or non-muslim friends then open

[14:26]the quran and they're like sir but here it says the male

[14:29]fe from the female thief cut their hands off or in the

[14:33]couple of verses before it says crucify kill or cut even further

[14:39]or in other verses it tells me to lash and whip then

[14:43]someone turns around and says well how could islam be a religion

[14:45]of peace if it has punishments like this and that's why you

[14:50]find that people when they look at states which are known as

[14:52]islamic states in many cases they say that these are the states

[14:57]where you have sharia law and we don't want any of that

[15:00]law near any of our countries people normally associate islamic laws with

[15:06]where countries like pakistan iran saudi arabia these are seen in one

[15:11]way or the other as islamic republics a lot of their constitutions

[15:16]are made up with a basis and a backdrop looking at the

[15:21]religion of islam i ask all those muslims who claim that they

[15:26]love their religion how many of them would love to live in

[15:31]an islamic state because it's all fine and dandy when you're sitting

[15:34]in london or in new york or in sydney to talk about

[15:40]your love for islam but would you like to go and live

[15:43]in islamic states as in there are many who will praise and

[15:47]revere an islamic state for example like pakistan or saudi arabia ask

[15:53]them why don't you go and live there why are you here

[15:57]in the uk or living in america or canada why don't you

[16:01]go and live in a country where you are able to hear

[16:05]the evan five times a day and you are able to be

[16:08]around those who wear hijab like all your families wear hijab because

[16:12]obviously all the viewers who are watching don't have a single member

[16:16]of their family who doesn't wear hijab not a single cousin all

[16:19]of them who are watching all the way hijab so why don't

[16:22]you go and live in a country where you can join others

[16:25]who always hijab as well where you are able to walk around

[16:30]in that country knowing that for example if it's an islamic state

[16:34]there is a chance that you may be punished with these punishments

[16:38]of islamic law it's very interesting that the same muslims who promote

[16:42]the islamic legal system are living for example in peterborough you have

[16:48]a chance to go and live for example now in saudi arabia

[16:51]you could go and get a job in saudi and go and

[16:55]live there why stay here and rely on the benefits of if

[16:59]not the benefits literally then metaphorically the benefits for example of being

[17:03]able to have businesses live your own liberal lifestyle for example go

[17:07]somewhere where you have to live stringently where you have to live

[17:13]according to the islamic guidelines because when a person says that i

[17:17]love my religion then surely that person should be living in a

[17:21]country which ensures that their religion is protected over here when i

[17:26]live here in this country i see there are pubs around me

[17:29]there are clubs around me there are people who for example supposedly

[17:34]are gonna burn in hell fire whereas i'm the only one who's

[17:39]gonna go to heaven so why do i want to be around

[17:42]people like this why don't i go to an environment where there

[17:45]is majority muslims where islamic law is at the helm and where

[17:52]i appreciate what the quran says you still will cut your hands

[17:58]off and you leave a religion then we'll kill you and if

[18:00]you're of those who commits murder an eye for an eye and

[18:03]if you're of those we find committing zina because of course muslims

[18:06]and non-muslim countries do not commit any sinner so if you have

[18:11]those who commit zina then the only thing we'll do to you

[18:15]is lasso will lash you and last you and i should teach

[18:17]you a lesson so that you don't do this again i remember

[18:19]in my own eyes once in saudi arabia and the mall outside

[18:22]the haram in mecca there was an announcement being made about a

[18:27]person who was gonna get lashed now you can imagine for the

[18:31]first time in my life now i'm thinking hold on what's going

[18:34]on here someone's gonna get whipped for example that person had been

[18:37]trying to talk to somebody in the mall and he'd been following

[18:41]her around the whole way islamically saudi arabia says it's not allowed

[18:45]so you come and stand here let everybody watch as well because

[18:49]that's also a deterrent and therefore that person was being whipped with

[18:54]a stick a number of lashes of course at that time you

[18:57]are baffled what's going on most people's conception therefore became even more

[19:02]barbaric when they saw isis because when they saw isis they said

[19:07]hold on if isis is wrong on the level of its political

[19:11]opinions but on the level of what it takes from the quran

[19:15]and what it takes from the sunnah you cannot deny that what

[19:21]isis is doing has a certain history or precedent in islamic law

[19:25]if isis now decides to kill an apostate you can find it

[19:31]in your own traditions that someone who leaves islam you have to

[19:34]kill him if isis now comes and whips someone who commits zener

[19:37]it's in your own prophetic traditions if isis cuts the hand publicly

[19:44]or crucifies as you've seen the youtube videos someone publicly why do

[19:47]you have a problem with it because your own prophet peace be

[19:51]upon him in his family is the one who came left those

[19:54]traditions and the quran as well is a book that you claim

[19:58]is a book until the day of judgment therefore if the quran

[20:03]is applicable to the time of the prophet peace be upon him

[20:06]his family then the quran is applicable wherever you are in the

[20:09]world how many muslims will tell you muhammad until the day of

[20:16]judgment and the haram of muhammad is haram until the day of

[20:19]judgment so they therefore say that there's no gray area this is

[20:23]black and white whatever is in the quran has to be implemented

[20:28]at all times you cannot say that that was only for that

[20:33]time therefore when you came to this discussion of shariah along the

[20:37]death penalty even when the former archbishop of canterbury dr rowan williams

[20:41]when he just started discussing shari allah as a method not implementation

[20:48]just as a method of a legal system that can be applied

[20:51]you found straight away there was uproar in this country what do

[20:55]you mean what is the sharia law you're going to bring beheading

[21:00]crucifixion torture whipping we are a country which is a free country

[21:03]has none of these punishments we don't want anything to do with

[21:07]sharia law what then is our methodological reply on this area because

[21:11]believe you me even our youngsters today they ask questions different from

[21:15]the questions we used to ask if me and you asked these

[21:19]questions and our time would go slap whereas in their time you

[21:23]find that the questions they ask are valid that if islam is

[21:26]the religion of peace what is the sharia law what is this

[21:30]system where you end up beheading and killing and crucifying if isis

[21:34]was wrong you have the same literature that isis has what's there

[21:38]to stop you when you are also of those who promote because

[21:42]those who say that i want to live in islamic state you'll

[21:45]find that they're therefore promoting that sharia law should be at the

[21:50]helm let us tonight examine in this discussion and the death penalty

[21:56]in order that we're able to understand the different nuances involved in

[22:01]each and every section of it and i'd like to do this

[22:05]in the following stages number one what is the aim of islamic

[22:07]law and what difference is there if little if any between a

[22:13]normal legal system not on the basis of religion and an islamic

[22:18]legal system number two when we pick up an islamic legal manual

[22:21]at home how many sections of that legal manual tell you to

[22:29]behead or to stone or to kill and what normally makes up

[22:32]the majority of a legal manual at home of any muslim household

[22:36]number three these laws and punishments are they to be applied anywhere

[22:43]or under certain conditions what is it allah's opinion about whether a

[22:50]state should necessarily have the hadood and what are the opinions of

[22:56]others number four we cannot deny that these are there if they

[22:59]are there in majority countries are they just to be approached literally

[23:03]you commit sinner i have to kill you you've stolen i have

[23:07]to cut your hands or is there a space for forgiveness repentance

[23:12]discretion and doubt of those who are administering the law number five

[23:20]is there any door that opens reform for islamic law and how

[23:24]important is it for us to understand the difference between shariah and

[23:30]text and context when examining this particular discussion number six those who

[23:38]say that islam has remained silent on certain areas has islam opened

[23:43]doors for possible reforms on areas such as slavery an area such

[23:46]as apostasy an area such as blasphemy and number seven have there

[23:52]been islamic states which have been oppressive and have there been islamic

[23:57]states that were even willing to put out a death sentence on

[23:59]the very family of the man who brought them their religion islam

[24:03]let's examine this and dissect the topic in complete depth if someone

[24:08]was to ask you the question today what is the aim of

[24:11]islamic law all of you study at madarasa for example you either

[24:17]study sharia or you if you ask any muslim when you were

[24:19]younger what did you study at school on a saturday morning let's

[24:23]say in birmingham or bradford or for example you're sitting in your

[24:27]local school somewhere in canada america they'll say to you amongst the

[24:33]classes we took were classes on tariq classes on some will say

[24:37]classes on sharia even we use the word shariah sometimes or we

[24:42]use the word fib but many of these muslims begin to follow

[24:49]law like robots without understanding the philosophy and the aim of that

[24:54]legal system as in how many muslims if you ask them about

[24:57]something is it i'll give you an answer in one second if

[25:00]you ask them what's the philosophy of this whole legal system what's

[25:04]the philosophy in turn of any legal system here i live in

[25:09]britain what's the philosophy and aim of british law you'll find that

[25:13]there is a correlation between all legal systems and what they seek

[25:19]to protect and islam isn't much different how do i explain this

[25:24]british law number one seeks to protect our life do we agree

[25:28]when i see for example a speed camera and how much we

[25:32]don't like speed cameras whether we like it or we don't that

[25:34]speed camera is there for what reason why would you stick that

[25:38]speed camera in the way because you know the human being if

[25:43]you don't put laws the human being can at times turn into

[25:46]an animal on that road that human being knows that there's a

[25:50]chance if they go fast on this road there could be a

[25:52]child crossing but that human being on that day decides that no

[25:56]i'm gonna go fast watch the human when you put law in

[26:00]their life how suddenly they slow down when the white lines come

[26:05]in front of them show me the fastest driver when it comes

[26:08]to the white lines suddenly from 60 all the way down why

[26:14]one way fear of penalty fine because the human never likes to

[26:18]give money away but the second reason is what the second reason

[26:21]is that there's a law that law is there to protect number

[26:25]one life i do not turn around and say why are there

[26:31]laws i don't want a structured religion how many do you hear

[26:33]today i said i don't like islam it's too structured so why

[26:35]are you living in a country where there's structured law we have

[26:38]structured law around us as a society there are structured laws you

[26:43]can go into this area at this time you can park in

[26:46]this parking spot at this time you can drive at this mile

[26:50]for this time why because i want to protect your life number

[26:53]one number two british legal system wants to protect my intellect it

[26:57]wants to allow my intellect to flourish number three it wants to

[27:02]protect my property as well there are laws to safeguard my property

[27:06]number four laws to save god my honor as well i come

[27:12]from a particular lineage i want my honor looked after my daughters

[27:15]go to school i want certain laws which look after my children

[27:20]from being hurt from being abused from being attacked i want my

[27:24]wife to be able to walk in the street with respect when

[27:27]i look at any legal system it normally has protection of property

[27:34]honor intellect life islam just adds one more and that is protection

[27:39]of religion when you say what is the aim of sharia law

[27:42]the aim of sharia law is to protect someone's property honor intellect

[27:46]life and religion if you want it as an acronym fill r

[27:52]p h i l r if someone today came and said to

[27:57]you that why do you follow islamic law why are you adamant

[27:59]that you have halal and haram because these laws have come for

[28:05]my muslim to keep me away from facade they've come for my

[28:09]benefit to keep me away from that which could corrupt me i

[28:11]want my nephs myself to grow and become a servant of the

[28:16]lord not a servant of itself where it goes down to its

[28:20]lowly desires their aims and of sharia meaning that stream or that

[28:25]path that leads you to the fountain of salvation was that it

[28:28]sought to protect your property islamic law sought to protect your property

[28:34]your honor your intellect your life and your religion when it came

[28:39]and sought to protect these someone said that the bulk of islamic

[28:43]law is therefore what is the bulk of islamic law to go

[28:47]towards a world where it punishes go to any household in a

[28:51]muslim community especially the shia community let's say you go to the

[28:56]household tell him give me your legal manual your islamic sharia law

[28:59]legal manual your legal manual that you have at home say for

[29:03]example the resale of allah may allah lengthen his life all of

[29:08]us have the resale of allah at home i ask all of

[29:11]you in that resale of ayatollah the section from the beginning is

[29:18]it about theft and how you cut the hand is the first

[29:20]section about killing the apostate is the first section about stoning the

[29:25]adulteress what's the first chapter in the book of messiah which you

[29:31]normally come across after the discussion about takali normally it's about purification

[29:37]isn't that true what's that chapter tahara if islam was a religion

[29:42]that was all about killing and stoning and murder and punishing why

[29:47]is the first chapter about tahara about purification in a world of

[29:52]covet 19 where we've all reassessed the way we move with our

[29:54]hands and our bodies islam from the beginning had said listen there's

[29:58]certain laws of purification if you guys don't observe them even one

[30:02]bacteria can make you all start losing your heads yep one virus

[30:06]can make you all lose your heads that first chapter in islamic

[30:11]law after takali when islam guides us legally the first chapter of

[30:18]ayatollah about tahara for example it's telling us about purity if you

[30:24]ejaculate there is a certain method of purification if you urinate there's

[30:29]a certain method of of purification if for example you are of

[30:38]those who see certain foods some of those foods may be pure

[30:40]some may be impure there may be certain habits that you have

[30:44]and after a monthly cycle for example where there are certain purification

[30:49]before you go to pray there is a purification before you go

[30:53]to perform hajj there is a purification these laws at the beginning

[30:59]what have they got to do with apostasy because the myth is

[31:01]that sharia law is a set of laws about killing and burning

[31:05]and stoning you come to my legal text that i have at

[31:10]home it begins with bahara after tahara what does it go to

[31:12]salah and it goes to psalm and it goes to hajj why

[31:16]because these are means in which i grow my taqwa as a

[31:21]human being if i can grow my god consciousness i'm not gonna

[31:25]go to the world of those areas which are areas which are

[31:30]gonna be areas which destroy me when you have the second chapter

[31:34]going to salah that there should be five times a day where

[31:36]you don't let this world take you over just come and sit

[31:40]and talk to your lord these are the timings for it this

[31:42]is the way that you approach it in the morning it's as

[31:47]if you're reading grace get up in the morning talk to your

[31:50]lord in the morning in the middle of the day when the

[31:54]money is flying from bank account to bank account you take 10

[31:56]minutes out and remember that there's a day of judgment you're going

[31:59]to be asked about that money that you're earning that money that

[32:03]you're spending when it comes to the evening just before you go

[32:05]to bed talk to your lord and thank him for what he's

[32:08]given you because it will humble you and humble you alongside your

[32:14]family i ask you how many people when they talk about islamic

[32:16]law talk about the laws of prayer how many religions that have

[32:21]prayer have laws regarding prayer judaism and islam focus on laws even

[32:25]about the way you approach prayer fasting you as a muslim try

[32:30]one month of the year it's obligatory on you in the month

[32:36]of ramadan too fast to remember the poor so that you don't

[32:38]take this world for granted remember those who don't have a meal

[32:42]these are the laws and if you miss a fast there has

[32:46]to be an expiation part of that expiation is to look after

[32:49]those poor in the world i ask all these people you come

[32:55]and look at my legal system my ecosystem begins first with looking

[32:57]at acts of worship which humble me as a human which refine

[33:01]me as a human when i see people doing yoga when i

[33:05]see people doing meditation i appreciate that in this world a person

[33:09]needs time out from this world therefore when the first sections of

[33:13]islamic law are about purity prayer fasting maybe visiting god's house once

[33:20]a year what other dimension zakat charity don't be a person who's

[33:24]a miser a person who's stingy give away from yourself then after

[33:29]that not just acts of worship your personal relationships the way that

[33:35]you treat your wife the laws regarding your relationship the laws regarding

[33:39]your business partners don't scam your business partner don't stab your business

[33:44]partner in the back this is all shari allah do they mention

[33:46]this when people talk about sharia law what did they mention they

[33:54]mentioned barbaric acts beheadings stoning isis and so on i asked them

[33:58]the legal manual itself of ayatollah length in his life all of

[34:03]their within there you have discussions about how to refine yourself individually

[34:06]acts of worship and your relationship with others but there is no

[34:12]denying that even if the legal manual says this no one can

[34:16]deny that there's a reality that in the quran and in the

[34:19]world of a hadith there are discussions about killing about stoning about

[34:24]burning about throwing off buildings these punishments which fall either under an

[34:32]eye for an eye retaliation discretionary punishments and judgments these are to

[34:43]be applied in an islamic state not in peterborough yes if now

[34:49]in peterborough i find out that someone's stolen from my house yes

[34:52]i'd be pretty angry but can i get that person and say

[34:56]according to islamic law you have now stolen from my house therefore

[34:58]put your hands out right now as i have to chop them

[35:00]no not at all why because these can only be applied where

[35:05]in an islamic state at the origin in an islamic state that

[35:11]we liar that we spoke about a few nights ago was with

[35:16]who with what is the common denominator those chosen by allah masum

[35:26]who will not earn their judgment when they come and give a

[35:33]judgment why you kill one human being it's as if you've killed

[35:36]the whole of humanity when there there are certain akam which are

[35:42]only can administer these yes we said was amongst others such as

[35:51]who had said that you can implement this as you have in

[35:58]iran that's implementation talks of what the media meaning that you can

[36:05]have a state that doesn't have to have the implementation of these

[36:10]punishments in iraq today you may have a leader for example who

[36:14]is not a merger a leader who may not even be shii

[36:18]a leader who may be democratically elected i ask you i to

[36:25]allah is the head of iraq he's not allah do we agree

[36:28]that he has a certain william yes he does but does he

[36:35]believe that this dollar should go towards a dollar where there is

[36:37]islamic state or can it be for example a state where there

[36:41]is a just person and that there are scholars who are there

[36:45]checks and balances they can see what's happening therefore when you come

[36:50]to these ayatollah sistani doesn't turn around and say i was sitting

[36:54]myself and a couple of others who said muhammad radha sistani son

[36:59]of ayat allah said muhammad radha sistani was sitting there we were

[37:05]next to ayatollah when we were next to him we asked him

[37:10]about the sultan of brunei and the punishment of those of the

[37:13]same gender community in brunei many of you would have remembered that

[37:15]there was a story that sultana brunei had said that this punishment

[37:19]should be administered when we asked ayatollah this question his son said

[37:26]muhammad sistani who's a scholar in his own right he was sitting

[37:31]there he said for us our opinion is the hadud are not

[37:32]implemented in the period of the riba of the twelfth imam they

[37:36]are not to be implemented when he says that this is the

[37:41]son of italia a teacher of kharagil a scholar in his own

[37:46]right he is sitting there and he said to us i was

[37:51]sitting there one of our beloved friends was sitting there asher who

[37:53]was sitting there they are witnesses people who were sitting next to

[37:57]me he said in the absence of the twelfth imam these laws

[38:01]are not to be implemented according to aha's opinion when he says

[38:06]that therefore those who put a clamor out for us on the

[38:09]one hand you have the title like he says no maybe others

[38:14]have said yes maybe others have said no in iran however they

[38:19]went ahead at the beginning of the revolution at the beginning of

[38:25]the revolution after the referendum that i spoke about there was an

[38:29]islamic republic when there's an islamic republic what does this mean it

[38:33]means that part of the william of the fatih is that he

[38:37]also implements the hodud meaning if we find someone who's committed sinner

[38:44]or someone who's stolen or for example people who may be charged

[38:51]with apostasy than they are to be either killed or executed and

[38:54]so on did this happen it happened but when we say these

[39:00]punishments are there is it that easy for these punishments just to

[39:04]take place so for example now salim comes up to me or

[39:06]for example muhammad comes up to me and he says to me

[39:08]that we've heard that so-and-so in the islamic state has committed ward

[39:13]has committed adultery you hearing okay no problem do you know you

[39:19]have a chance that you yourself are going to get uh punished

[39:21]say what do you mean i'm the one who's uh the the

[39:27]snitch no no no not only are you a snitch but for

[39:30]this to take place for this in an islamic state for the

[39:36]punishment to take place where that person is to be punished because

[39:39]they've committed adultery for example or for example other areas there are

[39:44]stringent measures which show us that these measures are more to bring

[39:49]deterrence rather than what rather to bring the punishment because when you

[39:54]look at the tough measures that are there you won't believe it

[39:56]do you know for adultery for it to be punished how many

[40:01]witnesses four and these four witnesses for adultery all of them have

[40:05]to have seen the quran stick unto the kocholja by the way

[40:11]this is a jargon and islamic law that they say the kokon

[40:14]stick has to have entered the khalja you have to have seen

[40:18]it in your own eyes you can't say i heard the rumor

[40:22]that someone said why because this is someone's life at stake this

[40:24]is someone's life at stake therefore four of you have to have

[40:29]seen the same thing at the same time and reported the details

[40:35]in exactly the same way where is this going to happen unless

[40:41]you have certain people who have a vendetta against somebody and the

[40:46]human being nothing surprises me about them in all honesty the human

[40:50]being and this is one of the dangers in reality that there

[40:53]could be a particular person who ends up giving the worst of

[40:59]image to that state why because they have a vendetta against someone

[41:01]that man or that woman what do they want to do they

[41:03]want to accuse and when they want to accuse they may even

[41:07]tell three four of their best mates come with me and make

[41:10]sure that we write the same thing so we get this poor

[41:14]girl killed on the first level what do the law say four

[41:19]witnesses have to see the same thing at the same time report

[41:25]it in exactly the same way someone says what if three reported

[41:28]the same way and one differs the other three have to be

[41:30]whipped because you guys nearly killed someone you guys you three nearly

[41:36]were the cause of someone's death you have to be whipped you

[41:39]have to be punished you think it's easy but we promise you

[41:42]this is what we saw i don't know by the way what

[41:45]you're doing spying on people's lives but no problem let's say that

[41:48]you've spied on these people's lives that is not something that islam

[41:54]wanted that a person goes around spying on people's lives if someone's

[41:58]doing something in their own house it's not my business at the

[42:00]end of the day yes there may be certain acts which us

[42:03]and non-muslims agree with if i find out there's a pedophile ring

[42:06]in houses what do i say that i don't want to interfere

[42:10]when children are being molested and when we therefore bring punishment someone

[42:14]says but you bring islamic punishments barbaric there are still places in

[42:17]america where they execute people because of these things has anyone turned

[42:21]around and said to certain of the conservative traditional states of the

[42:27]republicans that execution is not allowed there'll be an uproar in some

[42:31]cases they'll say to you though that's rapist that pedophile should be

[42:33]executed so why when islam talks of execution there's a problem but

[42:37]when you talk of the electric chair at that method of execution

[42:41]nobody can say a word and islam doesn't just say that adultery

[42:45]straight away you accuse someone you accuse someone there's a chance that

[42:49]you yourself are the one who's going to end up getting punished

[42:53]further than that when you come to adultery at the where is

[42:58]stoning in the quran or stoning in hadith there's not a single

[43:02]verse about stoning someone who commits adultery in the quran where is

[43:05]it then it's in the world of hadith remember this with me

[43:08]some have even argued that what's in the quran the whipping of

[43:14]someone who commits adultery someone says hold on say it i don't

[43:17]understand you have a hadith that says stone someone who commits sinner

[43:20]and you have a hadith that says whip someone who commits adultery

[43:25]so was there a contradiction on the first level they said no

[43:31]you stone the one who's married and commits adultery and you whip

[43:35]those who are ward who are unmarried and commit adultery because the

[43:39]one who's married and i'm saying again those conditions of the witnesses

[43:44]and so on that person has access in his life with a

[43:49]relationship whereas the one who is unmarried no some other said no

[43:52]originally it was stoning the context this is fundamental the context at

[43:58]that time when these verses were being revealed you had empires preceding

[44:04]islam where stoning the adulteress was normal i said if you go

[44:08]to look at the laws of religions before islam or empires within

[44:11]islam it wasn't seen as something barbaric to stone someone who commits

[44:19]adultery but i ask you one of the first areas we have

[44:21]to look at is what the difference between shariah and fair sharia

[44:26]divine law is human interpretation of god's law there's one thing which

[44:34]is god's law sharia fair human interpretation of god's law how many

[44:40]factors affect the human being when they're interpreting law while many have

[44:44]taqwa i don't doubt i do not deny that maybe one or

[44:49]two percent of the way you interpret law is affected by your

[44:51]upbringing or the climate that you grew up in there's no doubt

[44:55]that where you've grown up has an effect on the way you

[44:59]interpret law further than that someone who interprets law fick is an

[45:02]exercise of fallible human beings at the end of the day those

[45:08]fallible human beings may have made a struggle may have exerted a

[45:11]struggle but ultimately those fallible human beings can also be of those

[45:16]whose opinions can change can differ can evolve so you have sharia

[45:22]you have text and you have context why do i say this

[45:25]the quran when it was revealed some of these punishments were normal

[45:29]one thousand four hundred years later these punishments in many cases are

[45:33]horrific had a conversation he reports with ayatollah about stoning he said

[45:42]even though stoning is part of the traditions at the moment it

[45:47]brings a horrific image to islam and therefore ayatollah khomeini changes his

[45:53]opinion on stoning in the early 80s why we don't deny that

[45:57]it may have been in the text there's a difference between text

[46:01]and context something which at that time was seen as acceptable someone

[46:07]says until the day of judgment haram of muhammad is haram until

[46:13]the day of judgment we do not deny that such principles exist

[46:17]but at the same time a person has to look on the

[46:21]second level the socio-political dimension the image of the religion of islam

[46:24]is this what is looking after the mecca of the sharia if

[46:30]the sharia said was to protect honor life intellect religion property me

[46:35]doing this is this taking people to islam or away from islam

[46:40]at the time in medina when many of these laws were revealed

[46:44]you could say to me at that time people were not affected

[46:47]they had heard that the arabs beforehand were involved in retaliation were

[46:51]involved in murder they could understand the possible reform today maybe these

[46:56]laws maybe are laws which are not all to be implemented and

[46:59]that's why iran for example in some cases other places and other

[47:04]cases there are certain of the hadood at the beginning of the

[47:08]revolution you would see that there may have been executions there may

[47:12]have been hangings there may have been for example stoning later on

[47:15]a lot of these in the constitution there was a change that

[47:18]not all of these were to be implemented why at the end

[47:22]of the day you try something you try your hardest as they

[47:25]tried sincerely to follow but you will see that certain things is

[47:31]different in 1983 to for example mecca 1400 years ago there's a

[47:36]complete difference further than that the bait wanted us that if we

[47:43]found any doubt on any issue not to punish and not to

[47:46]administer the punishment how many times do you hear about films beyond

[47:49]reasonable doubt or you hear in the courtroom beyond reasonable doubt what

[47:54]does that mean beyond reasonable doubt within islamic law we have clear

[47:59]principles if there's any doubt any doubt let them go where do

[48:03]we get these principles from the holy prophet peace be upon him

[48:08]and his family rasulallah while someone came to him once he said

[48:09]i've committed a crime i have to be punished he says okay

[48:14]okay don't worry pray i've committed a crime where it's written that

[48:21]i have to be punished he says okay okay at that moment

[48:28]the person finished the salah said what did you do he said

[48:32]i just prayed he said okay good allah has forgiven you now

[48:34]go go you're forgiven if they saw that there was a chance

[48:38]to forgive just move on move on move on in which sense

[48:43]not in the sense for any crime but to try and tell

[48:46]the person that listen you've made the effort to open up to

[48:48]admit maybe there are those who did commit sinner why do i

[48:54]sit here as if we have glasses glass houses we look at

[48:57]ourselves we look at others they committed sinner how many commits dinner

[49:00]privately how many have committed sinner without doing something according to islamic

[49:05]law someone may commit sinner but then they come up and they

[49:07]say listen i'm sorry and that's why many ayahs of the quran

[49:09]about the hadood what's the ayah after but if they do taubah

[49:15]isis what was it about isis as soon as they found someone

[49:19]the end punish what if that person does toba okay i've done

[49:22]something haram i admit that i may have stolen even when it

[49:25]comes to the laws of stealing people say you guys cut the

[49:30]hands if someone is in a state where there's a famine then

[49:32]that person's hand deserves to be can't why why should we cut

[49:37]their hands the state has let the people go into a state

[49:40]of poverty this person of course has to go and get a

[49:42]meal when that person has to go out against a meal in

[49:46]islamic law when there's famine there's hunger people steal you don't cut

[49:50]their hands further than that even if they have stolen ask them

[49:52]do they know the laws of stealing or not even further than

[49:56]that tell them listen this is your first chance don't do this

[50:00]again because you've ruined someone's business now by taking their products you

[50:03]put tension in the community don't do it again the idea wasn't

[50:08]that i straight away administer and kill the idea was that i

[50:13]built an environment which environment an environment where i'm forgiving i'm open

[50:18]to even accepting that blood money will be enough when it comes

[50:24]to murder and retaliation many think that islam says if you murder

[50:27]an eye for an eye you murdered a member of my family

[50:31]i'm gonna kill a member of yours the quran however says but

[50:34]forgive them or if they can pay something as blood money then

[50:39]try and let them pay something as blood money for forgiveness is

[50:43]better one of our most famous texts has a whole chapter how

[50:51]forgiveness is better than retaliation and kasras in islamic law from the

[50:59]hadiths of allah but unfortunately what problem do we have sometimes those

[51:04]who administer law are different from the spirit of law you have

[51:08]the text of law you have the spirit of law the text

[51:11]may seem stringent but when christ came for the lost sheep of

[51:16]the children of israel he came to bring forgiveness and love and

[51:21]spirit that looks people make mistakes someone's committed sinner they made a

[51:24]mistake they committed adultery they made a mistake they've drunk alcohol they

[51:29]made a mistake try and reform them talk to them imam allah

[51:32]would say those who go to for example have to go to

[51:36]prison sit with them talk to them let them understand the laws

[51:40]of their religion try and find methods of rehabilitation can you not

[51:45]rehabilitate someone who's addicted to adultery or alcohol there's alcoholic i think

[51:49]they call it alcohol anonymous or something there's places for rehabilitation what

[51:54]are these places places where you try and tell people that look

[51:58]let's try and find a way away from this addiction therefore in

[52:02]islam the idea that someone kills you you have to kill them

[52:08]back no forgiveness is better even if they can't afford blood money

[52:11]go to the zakat the zakat of the muslims get some money

[52:14]and let them pay that family so that person doesn't have that

[52:20]burden what do we see in all of this therefore we see

[52:21]is there any scope for reform there is the door of ichthyhad

[52:27]in islamic law always allows for a scope of reform why because

[52:33]at the end of the day the quran was revealed in a

[52:37]certain place we live in a certain place you could not tell

[52:39]me that every single verse of the quran remained as it was

[52:43]even there are verses in the quran which i believe were abrogated

[52:47]from one time to another the context of mecca early islam is

[52:51]different from medina later islam the way you approach certain issues in

[52:58]mecca is different from medina hence we have the discussions of the

[53:02]nasa and we have the discussions of the mansur so when we

[53:05]therefore look at the door of which tihar the door of which

[53:07]they had allows us to revisit are the principles and the aims

[53:12]of law established by noah abraham moses jesus when the quran says

[53:26]what does the quran mean the quran is trying to tell us

[53:30]that the holy prophet was given a sharia he in his position

[53:35]he has divine authority now you who do not have divine authority

[53:41]for example you want to make a decision about let's say apostasy

[53:46]for example says apostasy can be one of the areas that goes

[53:52]towards azir ta'azir means what discretion of the judge of the time

[53:56]because people ask is it true that your religion your sharia law

[53:58]says that if i'm a muslim and i leave islam you guys

[54:02]can kill me for the love of god someone who wants to

[54:05]leave islam why don't you just let them leave let them leave

[54:09]the quran says there is no compulsion in religion someone doesn't want

[54:18]to be a muslim why are we forcing them to remain a

[54:23]muslim why do we make their lives miserable if that person doesn't

[54:26]believe in the tenants of the religion of islam let them leave

[54:29]also dean many times we're told there is no taqlid in us

[54:33]there's talk lead in the forum and i know there's nuances on

[54:38]this one line itself but if i have someone who doesn't want

[54:40]islam baba let them leave as long someone says yeah but i

[54:46]want to leave and i want to fight islam in that country

[54:47]at the end of the day brother you know you want to

[54:51]leave and then you want to cause uproar in the country and

[54:54]then you know then they there's a private members club they tell

[54:57]you to wear a suit you want to be a member come

[54:59]and be a member and you want to turn up in jeans

[55:02]every day to that club they say listen we've got rules and

[55:05]regulations here that person who says to you that they want to

[55:08]leave islam let them leave how many people their lives are miserable

[55:12]because we force them to stay muslim miserable lives you want to

[55:17]ask me about islam let the parents bring them we can discuss

[55:21]but if they feel that islam is not for them the way

[55:25]obaid allah the son of jahash when he left the daughter of

[55:30]abu sufyan he left her he was not interested in that islam

[55:35]he converted to christianity that's what he left the prophet didn't say

[55:40]go after him go butcher him goku let's have personally femenshah meanwhile

[55:45]whoever wants to believe let them believe and whoever wants to disbelieve

[55:50]let them disbelieve every day i hear people saying that your religion

[55:54]says yes there may have been certain concepts of treason where a

[55:59]person enters does their shahada with a group of people and then

[56:02]behind the back goes to abu sufyan reporting this is what they're

[56:05]doing this is what muhammad does treason according to all general laws

[56:10]is punishable by death if i'm not mistaken even this country a

[56:14]few years back were punishing those who had committed treason against the

[56:18]state you know how many do you hear he gave files from

[56:21]this organization to that organization from this organization and they have to

[56:24]hide somewhere because the state wants them however someone who's telling you

[56:29]i genuinely do not believe in the quran i don't believe in

[56:32]the holy prophet peace be upon him as family i want to

[56:34]leave islam let them leave further than that someone might come they

[56:38]said this law they say if you wage war against allah and

[56:45]his prophet those who wage war against allah and his prophet and

[57:06]they cause corruption on the earth then they are to be killed

[57:09]i beg all of you all of you i ask you a

[57:14]question how would you interpret waging war rasulallah is not alive at

[57:20]the moment so how do you interpret waging war you have a

[57:23]whole state how do you interpret waging war do you know how

[57:26]you interpret waging war by picking out those who you feel are

[57:33]speaking out against the caliph who you feel represents you and you

[57:39]know what the problem with that is any of your political enemies

[57:43]you can sentence them to sharia allah death big problem because when

[57:47]a hokum is in the hands of a muslim i know that

[57:52]muslim will never be unjust but when a hokum is in the

[57:56]hands of hin's grandson then i have worries about where that hokum

[58:01]will go because islam at the time of karbala there was a

[58:06]stage called the islamic state and a khalifa of allah he claimed

[58:13]and his father claimed and the rest of the umayyads claimed that

[58:17]they were god's caliph as per the title of the famous book

[58:20]their gods caliph on the earth god's caliph has the whole of

[58:26]the shariah law in his hands does he care about the hara

[58:32]not at all alcohol sits next to him does he care about

[58:35]najas not at all does he care about salah not at all

[58:38]does he care about psalm no the aspects he cared about is

[58:42]that i can use the quran for my own means all i

[58:46]need are a number of factors what are they number one i

[58:50]need to make sure that i have a judge in my pocket

[58:54]a judge who knows the verses and the laws of the religion

[59:00]of islam inside out a judge who can use an ayah which

[59:04]involves execution and say that get muslim bin aqil and execute him

[59:10]yes because how do you think muslim in akhil was executed muslim

[59:14]was the victim of many innocent ones who in one thousand years

[59:19]of islam islamic states have used sharia law to kill their own

[59:26]muslims because sometimes you hear non-muslims saying we hate shariah believe you

[59:29]me if you saw some of our you would hate sharia allah

[59:34]as well because some of them they didn't give you protection of

[59:38]life no they wanted your life to end nor did they give

[59:41]you protection of religion if you weren't on the religion of his

[59:45]mother than you are to be executed nor did they give you

[59:50]protection over honor even if you were a three-year-old girl they'll use

[59:53]their horses to kick you across the fields did they give you

[59:57]a protection of property they'd confiscate whatever properties you'd have who did

[60:03]yazid have he had on one side a judge in his pocket

[60:07]and who else did he have he had allah been ziyad islamic

[60:11]law came and said we want to protect society from adultery because

[60:16]adultery ruins the fabric of families before you knew it the sons

[60:23]of adultery were in different places of power in the islamic empire

[60:27]this always allah his father ziyad was known as ziad son of

[60:30]his father yes and this obeys allah made sure that the judge

[60:35]what is it we have an islamic law someone who wages war

[60:39]against allah and his prophet we kill him he said yes he

[60:44]said then we have orders from sham what are they saying he

[60:52]is the grandson of the same man you've taken lords from correct

[60:56]so you found on the one hand islamic state ends up looking

[61:02]for the very man whose grandfather bore the religion this is the

[61:07]saddest thing in our history the man whose grandfather bought the religion

[61:11]they now were looking for his son not just his sons they

[61:16]were looking for his granddaughters not just his granddaughters they didn't care

[61:20]if it was a six month old they would go after was

[61:24]this the assad of the sharia of allah that even a six

[61:27]month old is not safe from an arrow was this the makassar

[61:31]of sharia that water is not given to children and then he

[61:36]ordered get muslim binary what crime had he committed no crime what

[61:43]was it you're waging war against allah and his prophet for the

[61:47]love of god i'm related to that prophet for the love of

[61:51]god who is more learned than me and my cousin about the

[61:55]life of that prophet one muslim found a society that had given

[62:01]in to that islamic state they weren't ready in some cases to

[62:05]speak out in the beginning thousands were with him by the time

[62:11]he left measured alcohol he was walking alone in the land of

[62:16]kufa walking alone wondering what's going to happen to him he knew

[62:19]that the word had been out capture him it doesn't matter if

[62:23]he is muhammad's great nephew you kill him wherever he may be

[62:28]it showed that if islamic law on shariah was abused anyone can

[62:32]be a victim of it and he reached the house because he

[62:36]knew now were his final moments he reached the house he sat

[62:42]down whose house was it the house of tawa all of you

[62:45]know of course he sat there she came out of the house

[62:50]she looked at him she said what are you doing here he

[62:51]said may i ask you for one thing all of you know

[62:55]this line i don't know how many nights i'm gonna repeat this

[62:58]line in particular all i want is some water to drink for

[63:03]i am thirsty she looked at him she said very well i'll

[63:04]go and get you water just wait here he waited there he

[63:08]was there her daughter came out she looked at him she began

[63:13]to have a conversation with him the mother thought i came back

[63:17]when the mother thought i came back what was it the mother

[63:21]thought i came back she looked at him she looked at the

[63:22]daughter sad she said to him what have you said to my

[63:25]daughter why is my daughter sad he said to her that she

[63:31]looked towards the daughter she said to her my daughter why are

[63:34]you sad she has he done anything wrong to you said no

[63:36]mother he told me he's a stranger in kufa he's the kharib

[63:41]it broke my heart oh mother of mine and that moment the

[63:47]mother said who are you he said to her i am muslim

[63:49]at that moment when she heard muslim she said to him he

[64:11]he said yes i am she said muslim hurry inside you know

[64:15]they're all after you they say that you have waged war against

[64:20]allah and his prophets they want to catch you for blasphemy treason

[64:23]he himself went inside that night while he was sleeping he saw

[64:28]rasulullah in his dream all of them one by one saying muslim

[64:39]muslim come to us the next day they came all around the

[64:45]house of muslim led by muhammad abner and others they fought him

[64:51]but this was the nephew of amir al-mu'min he went and struck

[64:57]all of them until they called for more support to come the

[65:00]support came they surrounded him suddenly one of them struck him on

[65:07]the back of his head the other the other the other struck

[65:14]him when he was on the ground they dragged his body towards

[65:17]the mosque of where towards the palace of ebinziada no he had

[65:23]his words with him in ziyad with umar bin saad he said

[65:27]i have a debt will you repay it for me omar bin

[65:31]sad said never eben ziad said repay it for him he said

[65:34]i have a second request he said what is it he said

[65:37]at that moment give me an islamic burial they said you'll never

[65:42]get one he said i have a final request they said what

[65:45]is it he said not to come towards kofa at that moment

[65:49]they took the body of a muslim and they pushed him from

[65:56]the palace on the ground his body dragged it from one side

[66:01]of a kurfur to another the news imam al-hussein was walking his

[66:05]sister was of course muslim's wife she was walking as well with

[66:11]her the daughter who was the daughter the daughter hamid the daughter

[66:16]of muslim may allah not show any of you the news when

[66:19]your daughter is lonely when your daughter calls out for you baba

[66:24]at that moment imam al-hussein did something which he would do for

[66:31]the rest of the days until the shaman what was it he

[66:37]came he tapped the head of the orphan girl as soon as

[66:41]he tapped her head she looked up at him what did she

[66:47]say to him she said oh my mom telling me telling me

[66:55]have i become a team and tell me have i become an

[67:01]orphan i beg you tell me the tears came down from the

[67:08]eyes of ibabel jose when he looked at he said how did

[67:13]you know she said that you say when you tap at the

[67:19]head of an orphan it's light for you under the day of

[67:24]judgment i know that now i become an orphan i want you

[67:27]all to listen to the words of imam al-hussein well every year

[67:31]i recite these words and every year they show me the softness

[67:36]of the heart of saying know that my daughters are like your

[67:43]sisters and my sons are like your brothers she began to hug

[67:51]him do you know who came to her first when this happened

[67:56]sukena came to her when shukeena came she said don't worry i'm

[68:03]here for you i ask every one of you who was there

[68:10]for sukena when her dad died [Applause] who was there when she

[68:18]sat alone in the dungeons of sham i'm gonna leave you with

[68:22]this final note and ask for your hijab at this moment when

[68:26]they were there they had gone to kufa after karabakh they were

[68:32]walking towards school for they entered all of a sudden until i

[68:38]saw the prisoners of carabella she came she said where's hamidah the

[68:43]daughter of muslim men [Applause] bro i had a message it was

[68:50]an amana from muslim [Applause] said before you tell me i want

[69:08]to ask you one thing when he fell towards his death did

[69:15]anyone hold my father's body did anyone bury him did that you

[69:21]want to carry him did anyone look after him we pray to

[69:30]allah to provide us for the originators of this merchant allah blessed

[69:35]them with the intercession of muhammad muhammad we pray to allah subhanahu

[69:41]wa ta'ala but before it the loudest of yours yahushua yahoo is

[70:31]i

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