Night 2 - 'Tatbir (Self-Flagellation)' - Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani

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[9:43]in southeast england a population of 200 000 which includes around 20

[9:48]000 muslims there are three centers in peterborough dedicated to the followers

[9:51]of the athlete catering for around 3 000 individuals the hussein islamic

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[9:58]we embarked on the al-qaeda project we have crossed many hurdles and

[10:03]are now at the last milestone everyone has been very generous towards

[10:05]our project and rewards will both be seen in this life and

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[11:34][Music] [Music] when you type the word on google the first image

[12:09]that appears is of someone whose head is bleeding bleeding seemingly from

[12:16]a wound that they have inflicted upon themselves this act known as

[12:21]the act of tatbeer or the act of kamazani is without a

[12:24]doubt one of the most controversial acts within shia thought indeed no

[12:34]act polarizes a community as much as tatbir one may argue if

[12:36]you look at all of the different acts within the azal or

[12:43]the hussaini in relation to karbala you will not find an act

[12:45]that brings about as much discussion amongst the members of the community

[12:51]as well as differences of opinion as the act of kamehameha the

[12:55]act of tatbir indeed this act could polarize a whole family you

[13:00]may have members of a family where one member is pro-tatbir and

[13:05]another member is completely anti tatbir your own daughter for example may

[13:10]say to you that i find this act as an act which

[13:14]is not part of the teachings of the imams of allah no

[13:18]imam would in their opinion guide us towards picking up a sword

[13:24]and striking our heads then you may have a father in the

[13:27]same family who has been doing it for 30 years every tenth

[13:31]of muharram for example after the fajr prayer when the adhan is

[13:35]recited you find that people in and around karbala people for example

[13:40]in pakistan people in parts of lebanon who may come out in

[13:45]the streets all of them calling out a chant of haidar haidar

[13:51]while striking the sword on their head the calling out of the

[13:55]chant haidal is in memory of the man who he himself was

[13:59]struck on his head and the mosque of kofa but also to

[14:04]show a sort of empathy for what the martyrs of the 10th

[14:07]of muharram went through so in one family you may have a

[14:11]person who does tatbir and then in the same family you may

[14:15]have someone who completely disagrees with the act likewise you may have

[14:20]in the house itself a polarization of opinions you may have in

[14:24]the street in um one office of one of our raja which

[14:29]says to you that sat beer is permissible then you may have

[14:33]another office of another just down the street who says to you

[14:39]that beer is not allowed who says to you that beer for

[14:42]example is that which is prohibited therefore you find that even when

[14:48]it comes to non-shia how many times have you been asked by

[14:52]your non-shia friends about different aspects of azadari about different aspects of

[14:56]the mourning of imam and when they ask you explain to me

[15:03]self-flagellation explain to me why is it that we can see blood

[15:05]flowing from many members of your community we're not talking a hundred

[15:09]or two hundred of the shiite world we're talking in the hundreds

[15:14]of thousands who may come together which still is a small percentage

[15:18]but the reality is that it highlights how many questions that will

[15:23]emerge as an even non-muslims when they look at this every single

[15:26]year they put aside the spirituality of shiri thought the mysticism of

[15:31]shiite thought the ethics within shia thought and the first image that

[15:37]emerges for them on google is which image somebody with blood all

[15:41]over their face is this something which will bring someone close to

[15:47]imam al-hussein as in if a person was to reflect and ask

[15:50]themselves a question that ultimately i want to mourn for imam al-hussein

[15:56]and i may see it as an obligation but does my conscience

[16:00]tell me that this method of mourning is something which the salawat

[16:09]allah is this something which allah subhanahu wa ta'ala would want me

[16:11]to do as a muslim by standing in public with a sword

[16:15]striking myself on the head of course non-shia many cannot relate to

[16:22]this why because in many cases you'll find with them that they

[16:26]don't have much emotion throughout the year anyway for the prophet peace

[16:29]be upon him his family and companions they may have many lectures

[16:33]on it but their reference even for imam al-hussein in some cases

[16:38]is a reverence because imam al-hussein was the grandson of rasulallah for

[16:43]us is the manifestation of divine authority on the earth imam al-hussein

[16:50]is not just to be revered because he's the grandson of the

[16:54]prophet peace be upon him is family imam hussain is one of

[16:58]the doors to jannah imam al-hussein when you honor him and you

[17:01]reveal him and you follow his teachings it opens other doors for

[17:08]you spiritually therefore when imam says when the imam says that in

[17:17]the heart of the believer what is there in the martyrdom of

[17:22]imam al-hussein there is a heat in the heart of the believer

[17:26]that never subsides when we come to remembering karbala and remembering imam

[17:33]al-hussein for us there is a heat inside us that covet can

[17:37]never stop whether we have majalis at the mosque if we don't

[17:40]have majes at the most we'll have majalis at home if we

[17:43]don't have majalis at home we'll find an area for majalis for

[17:47]us imam al-hussein is central to our relationship with allah subhanahu wa

[17:51]ta'ala therefore when other schools in islam do not understand what we

[17:57]are doing on the one hand it's because they come from a

[18:02]legacy that doesn't allow mourning too much but then on the other

[18:04]hand we also have a responsibility that we have to make sure

[18:09]that we look after the image of kerbela in the best of

[18:13]ways because ultimately that message is not my message that message is

[18:17]his message therefore the way i deal with that message i have

[18:22]a major responsibility on my shoulders what took place at karbala was

[18:27]nothing short of a divine miracle have i made sure that the

[18:31]remnants of that divine miracle has remained in my community or not

[18:35]you'll find therefore unfortunately this discussion of tatbir became a discussion of

[18:41]a slanging match like i said yesterday in the same way when

[18:45]i till fakie became a slandering match between different groups whether you're

[18:52]pro or your auntie likewise with tatbir because unfortunately now in our

[18:56]communities you have judgmentalism occurring from both sides and both sides what's

[19:01]their near their intention is to get closer to allah through the

[19:05]mourning of imam al-hussein you have those who are prototyping you'll find

[19:12]them saying that those who are anti ramon those who are anti-self-flagellation

[19:17]with the sword on one's head those aren't the true lovers of

[19:25]imam al-hussein allah these people are barbaric they're backward they don't represent

[19:32]the message of the religion of islam properly and therefore they go

[19:36]out on an all-out judgmental attack on them how many times have

[19:40]you heard from both groups you may have sat down with one

[19:43]group and they're like anyone any mawlana any imam any marriage even

[19:49]a marcher who is against beer they are willing to go to

[19:54]the extent of cursing that merger is that what the shaykh became

[19:58]that we sit at home and we curse people because they have

[20:01]a difference of opinion on a certain legal issue there are some

[20:05]who will curse america if that marjah says that tata beer is

[20:08]prohibited or if that merger says this is not helping the image

[20:12]of the religion of islam or if that merger says that no

[20:16]prophet or no imam did tatweer so how could you therefore be

[20:20]doing tatbir you'll find that one group are ready to curse them

[20:23]then you'll find that there's another group what will they say the

[20:26]other group what will they say they'll say that look these people

[20:31]have ruined the image of imam al-hussein they'll look or in other

[20:41]areas and they'll say look at these people they have they are

[20:46]the ones who have ruined the image of imam al-hussein that judgmentalism

[20:51]unfortunately is a disease in our community because ultimately all of us

[20:56]are lovers of imam al-hussein when we're lovers of abba abdullah if

[21:02]i now see an azadar doing something there's no way that i'm

[21:04]going to try and bring down from that azadar i may in

[21:07]my position or for my pieces of advice in my context from

[21:11]my angle in my judgment but someone who displays love for imam

[21:15]al-hussein is not someone i want to ridicule or look down on

[21:21]that person who's showing that love don't judge them because sometimes your

[21:27]house is a house which is made of glass when you're throwing

[21:31]stones they may not be representing the way you think how many

[21:35]areas of islamic law are you not representing imam al-hussein in you've

[21:40]picked out one area and you've said that this person who does

[21:44]zenjir is not representing islamic law in the right way maybe there

[21:50]are areas you are not representing in the right way further than

[21:53]that that person by doing those acts may be in their humble

[21:59]intention they think that the acts that they're performing truly do get

[22:02]them closer to imam ultimately who do we listen to we listen

[22:06]to the people on the mamba don't we if i'm living now

[22:10]in mere poor i'm living in multan i'm living in jail i'm

[22:15]living in punjab i'm living in nasria or basra or i'm living

[22:19]in najef i rely on the one on the mambar some of

[22:23]the ones on the mambara ulama there is a difference between the

[22:29]alam who sits on a member and the darker who sits on

[22:32]a member but that person under the mumbai is just a simple

[22:35]person who has come to get closer to ibrahimovic therefore when that

[22:40]person comes to hear the mawlana or comes to hear as darker

[22:44]or comes to hear because there are some who give majalis who

[22:48]are purely poets they're good poets there are others who have read

[22:52]about imam and hussain and want to give a lecture there are

[22:55]others who are deep in their analysis of what happened the one

[22:58]under the mumbai who on the 10th of muharram comes and does

[23:03]tatbir maybe somebody who innocently has listened to someone on the number

[23:08]saying that it's acceptable further than that there are maraju who have

[23:13]accepted there are maraja who have rejected you at the end of

[23:16]the day have a merger that you follow but the aim of

[23:20]tonight's lecture is word is not for me to give an opinion

[23:24]who's right who's wrong who truly loves who doesn't let's try and

[23:27]look at the origin of the discussion concerning tatbir in order that

[23:33]we're able to understand what is the history what are the opinions

[23:37]back and forth and i'd like to do this in the following

[23:39]stages number one those who are pro-tatbeer and use the sword to

[23:46]strike their head what are the arguments that they posit which they

[23:50]believe are the origin of the act that they perform and how

[23:55]do they use 12th imam as the basis of their argument number

[24:03]two those who are anti-tatbir what arguments do they use how do

[24:10]they reply to all the arguments of those who are pro and

[24:12]how do they go towards a direction where they seek to discuss

[24:17]the image of the religion of islam number three when we have

[24:21]principles that say that religion should not occasionally cause harm isn't under

[24:26]that category number four what are the opinions of our maraja and

[24:30]why is it that we have some raja who recommend and some

[24:37]who say that this act is completely prohibited and if a murderer

[24:40]says an act is prohibited such as ayatollah may allah lengthen his

[24:45]life should that cause us to slander someone because his opinion has

[24:50]reached that conclusion and when he gives that opinion is it from

[24:53]a hokum ali or ahukum thanawi and what is the difference between

[24:58]the two number six and of the utmost importance what's ayat allah's

[25:04]opinion and could an argument be posited but he pleads the fifth

[25:07]on this area further than that what are the ways in which

[25:11]a person defends this act and should we try and remove it

[25:16]or should we appreciate that at all times it has a context

[25:19]and what is the context in relation to the world that we

[25:24]live in today and on a night like this if we seek

[25:27]to perform azadari to remember imam al-hussein which lady bit fell well

[25:32]to the members of al-muhammad only to welcome them back in medina

[25:38]without many of them present and how was she the height of

[25:44]love and azadari in one human being let's examine this and dissect

[25:47]the topic in complete depth those who are prototyping from the rajya

[25:53]and from the laity what are their arguments why they believe that

[25:58]beer has to be done or that satbir has a basis in

[26:03]the history of the religion of islam because surely when someone performs

[26:06]this they must have a base their base is that they'll find

[26:11]that the maraja may say for example this act is mustahab of

[26:14]those who says that there is an you have for example you

[26:23]have for these are of those who believe that is mustahab it's

[26:43]something which is recommended when they believe this what's the basis of

[26:48]their argument first and foremost they say that grief in islam is

[26:54]seen as something if it gets you closer to one of the

[26:58]signs of allah then it is something which is recommended because you

[27:03]find that within the quran we see that allah does not condemn

[27:08]expression of grief when a person does tatbear what are they doing

[27:13]they're expressing their grief according to the pro-that mere camp they say

[27:17]they're expressing their grief in honor of one of the signs of

[27:21]allah therefore they say that if you look in the quran if

[27:24]expressing your grief with such an excessive way is prohibited then why

[27:32]didn't allah condemn nabiyah how much did he cry for nebu yusuf

[27:38]me and you may cry a lord but we don't cry until

[27:41]we become blind do you agree with me i've never met anyone

[27:44]who cries until they become blind cried for many years and he

[27:51]knew that nabi yusuf alaihissalam was alive allah subhanahu wa said to

[27:57]him don't show too much emotion expression of that much emotion is

[28:00]not acceptable i don't like you to see any morning only three

[28:05]days and not more how many times you hear from other schools

[28:08]in islam they say you could mourn for three days but not

[28:14]more certainly didn't agree with that opinion to be placed on his

[28:26]eyes so that he may regain his eyesight he could have easily

[28:30]asked allah to give him back his eyesight or maybe yusuf could

[28:34]operate to allah sometimes there are pieces of cloth that have a

[28:37]barakah when they are placed on the body therefore he cried excessively

[28:44]that school says that don't condemn our extreme emotion because firstly the

[28:49]quran doesn't condem extreme emotion they say secondly even when you look

[28:55]at al muhammad sallallahu alaihi don't you see them talking about those

[28:58]who weeped excessively used to weep excessively never you know part of

[29:04]the meaning of nu has to weep excessively weeped excessively for her

[29:11]father it wasn't just a house where she mourned her father for

[29:18]three days more than three days further than that imam ali salam

[29:25]moon father for years not just days someone could have said to

[29:29]mawlana mola don't show too much emotion we don't need to be

[29:33]that emotional you can remember father and she had a few tears

[29:36]and that's it many years after she died and many years after

[29:41]rasulullah died people would see imam ali crying they would say to

[29:47]him why are you crying excessively he would turn around and say

[29:49]that how can the morning end for the loss of rasulullah therefore

[29:55]their first point which they want to put as a disclaimer is

[30:01]what is that for us excessive mourning that gets you closer to

[30:06]allah there is nothing wrong with it a person who mourns excessively

[30:08]in their hazard there is no issue but then someone says okay

[30:14]we can appreciate all these examples our tears but where did we

[30:17]reach a conclusion about getting a sword and smashing our head with

[30:21]the sword or using the sword to strike our head they said

[30:25]the base of it is zainab someone says wait you're telling me

[30:31]that baby zainab picked up a sword and hit herself in tatbir

[30:34]they said no no no no he narrates a narration from a

[30:50]person called muslim in arabic means what in english it means plasterer

[30:55]muslim was a plasterer for ibn ziyad you know you hire a

[31:00]plasterer to do your house to do your wars and so on

[31:02]he was the plasterer for ibn ziad he says that while i

[31:10]was plastering the headquarters of ibm ziyad i heard suddenly a massive

[31:15]cry in kufa i asked somebody what's this crying ku for that

[31:20]i hear what's going on he said to me that the khawarij

[31:24]have come in the prisoners he said and who are the khawarij

[31:28]what are these heads that i see he said he said at

[31:36]that moment i heard from saying i was in disbelief i'm in

[31:41]kufa they bought from karbala he said when they came past me

[31:47]i saw the daughters of fatham chained one to the other and

[31:52]i saw heads paraded on spears and at that moment i saw

[31:56]some people coming to give them dates and so on and he

[32:05]said i was in tears until i saw zayn she was in

[32:11]a carriage when she looked out she saw the her head on

[32:21]the pole from that narration those who do tatbear say that the

[32:26]base of tatbir is smashes her head or strikes her head on

[32:34]a pole therefore when i pick up a sword on the tenth

[32:39]of muharram and i strike my head with that sword i'm following

[32:43]bibi ala salaam don't you love bibi zainab don't you admire say

[32:49]this so when say it strikes her head on a pole then

[32:52]you striking your head with a sword that is something in which

[32:57]you are taking the example of zainab alaihissalam therefore what's their first

[33:01]argument that says she is the one who originates tatw second argument

[33:07]what is it second argument is of the companion of imam ali

[33:13]was a companion of imam he was in bahrain had heard about

[33:22]imam al-hussein going towards where going towards karbala imam al-hussein had written

[33:28]to different places basra yemen bahrain to come towards the support of

[33:38]the family of rasulallah they headed towards carabella unfortunately they got to

[33:51]karabella nine days late when they got to karbala nine days late

[33:55]on the 19th of muharram when they got there they saw bani

[34:01]assad and they asked beni assad they said to them where is

[34:04]the grave of abba abdullah came towards the grave with his soldiers

[34:11]when they came this is when nine days after ashura we're not

[34:18]talking 1500 years later we're not talking 500 years later we're talking

[34:22]nine days after ashura muhammadin he says that they came towards the

[34:30]grave of say the shadow and when they came they took out

[34:34]their swords lamenting the fact that they could not be at karabella

[34:39]to support him lamenting the fact that they could not be there

[34:43]to stand for him they took out their swords and they begun

[34:46]to strike their heads with their sword in the act which is

[34:51]known as tatbir because the tabura is that shrike tatbeer you have

[34:56]those people who are coming together they're striking their heads with the

[34:59]sword who's the second then you have others what proof do they

[35:03]give they said that imam said one day a christian had told

[35:08]him about a dream that he had seen iman zen became so

[35:12]emotional he virtually smashed his head on the wall next to him

[35:15]and therefore he was bleeding they say this is a proof of

[35:20]tatbir that why would imam zayn al-habadeen alayhi do this unless there

[35:24]was something which is recommended then fourthly what do they say they

[35:29]say that banu assed the ones who had buried imam al-hussein according

[35:33]to one opinion the other of course talks of imam said islam

[35:35]say assad also were the ones who picked up their swords and

[35:41]struck themselves as well after kerbela then they say as well the

[35:45]tawabun the repenters the ones who could not be at kerbela out

[35:49]of lamenting that they could not be at karbala they picked up

[35:53]their swords and they began to strike themselves viciously further than that

[35:59]another point that they raise is what is that they say in

[36:03]islam cupping is recommended the first part are all historical examples now

[36:20]they come to what they say cupping at the end of the

[36:23]day the holy prophet used to cup the top of his head

[36:27]and therefore when we are doing tatbir what are we doing we

[36:30]are also letting blood out because all muslims shia non-shia all agree

[36:35]on cupping sometimes you have your back with cupping done on it

[36:40]some people may go to other areas of the body where cupping

[36:42]is done and when cupping takes place one form of cupping is

[36:46]what that the blood is released so therefore they say when we

[36:49]are doing tatbir and we are striking our heads all we are

[36:53]doing is we are remembering the act which was the sunnah of

[37:01]rasulullah you say hold on which way they say because the top

[37:07]of his head cupped and blood came out so when i pick

[37:12]up a sword on the 10th of muharram in the morning i'm

[37:14]following the sunnah of my prophet peace be upon him and his

[37:19]family therefore hijab they say is equivalent to the same way that

[37:24]you go cupping likewise you do tatbear on the 10th of muharram

[37:29]in honor of then they add another argument look how many arguments

[37:34]there are don't just dismiss something without understanding that when ammar may

[37:38]say to you something is musl understand where your may be coming

[37:44]from even if they give the opposite opinion understand where they may

[37:46]be coming from another opinion that they say is in the quran

[37:50]allah whoever honors the signs of god it shows they have taqwa

[37:54]in their hearts whoever honors the signs of god those signs that

[38:05]lead towards the path of god promote the message of the lord

[38:11]on the earth get you closer to god they say if a

[38:14]camel and if suffer and marwa could be called signs or symbols

[38:19]of god is saying not the greatest sign of allah in terms

[38:23]of him following the message of his grandfather they say if the

[38:29]quran says whoever honors the symbols of god in the context of

[38:36]hajj context of hajj in one area but another area it could

[38:40]be understood that any symbol of god can be honored and that

[38:44]imam al-hussein is a symbol of god therefore when i do that

[38:48]beer i'm honoring imam al-hussein and it shows that i have what

[38:51]i have taqwa in my heart further than that they say the

[38:56]12th imam is the one who teaches us the importance of blood

[38:59]flowing from us say where is an interesting angle because we started

[39:05]from say the zainab we end with who with the twelfth imam

[39:08]on the arguments of those who are pro tatmiya they say the

[39:11]twelfth imam and ziyarat in which is seen as one of truly

[39:19]the most heart rendering ziads you could ever read they say in

[39:22]ziyarat the 12th imam makes clear for us when he talks about

[39:28]his feelings in relation to karbala fellaini time did not allow me

[39:56]to be with you and i was not able to be there

[39:59]to be destined to support you but know one thing what is

[40:04]it that i cry for you day and night i weep for

[40:09]you tears that become blood these lines are amongst the most emotional

[40:13]honestly you can imagine your imam because we always talk of imam

[40:21]salam has wonderful people around him now whereas our 12th imam he

[40:28]is truly and in his expression of his love and how many

[40:31]times does he express his love for say this he says tears

[40:49]that become blood for you here they say if 12th imam is

[40:55]saying that my tears i would cry tears that it would be

[41:05]blood instead of those tears blood would come out they say if

[41:09]imam al-mahdi allah sharif was of the belief that such a thing

[41:12]is wrong then imam almighty would not mention blood imam al-mahdi would

[41:15]not tell us that the tears should become blood or that the

[41:18]tears should be replaced by blood you therefore found that the prototype

[41:25]beer camp in their evidence is when they sought to explain why

[41:28]they do all of these gave all of these arguments question how

[41:32]about those who were anti-tatbeer how did they reply those who were

[41:37]hunted at me replied in the following way because we said in

[41:41]the pro-tatbeer camp you have such as ayatollah for example bashir and

[41:47]najafi or such as ayatollah or such as for example of those

[41:51]of the past and then those who are anti-tatbeer anti when we

[41:57]say anti for example i will come to those who are anti

[42:01]but normally you see names such as may allah bless his soul

[42:08]may allah lengthen his life when you come to them what are

[42:13]their arguments in which they reply a gist of some of their

[42:15]arguments which are mixed with other arguments as well first they say

[42:21]that we don't deny that grieving is something which is to be

[42:25]honored at the end of the day them as maharaja you see

[42:28]them shedding tears when they're sitting in majalis and hussain don't you

[42:31]how many times have you seen a video of ayatollah khomeini for

[42:37]example sitting down in manchester i'm shedding tears of course we should

[42:42]shed tears even they say that doing matam or there is no

[42:45]problem there at all because how many times have you seen those

[42:48]maraja with people doing matam in front of them on videos did

[42:51]they say that that is wrong no even they say cooking for

[42:56]imam al-hussein is a great form of azah even they say wearing

[43:01]black for imam al-hussein islam is a great form of azah all

[43:04]of these are symbols of grief no problem at all but they

[43:09]say no when it comes to beer they say first and foremost

[43:14]look at the history of this act properly they say when you

[43:17]come to the history of this act they do not believe this

[43:20]is an act which originated from what the other party claimed they

[43:26]say that on the contrary this act can either be seen where

[43:28]it can either be seen from christianity coming into islam from one

[43:35]angle sometimes you see in the philippines and easter if i'm not

[43:39]mistaken they sometimes put someone on the cross they show extreme emotion

[43:42]and there were others who were self-flagellating as well and different rituals

[43:46]that have taken place in some churches one may not look at

[43:51]hollywood films like the da vinci code and others as real but

[43:53]there definitely is a remnant of self-flagellation in certain churches so they

[43:58]say on the first level this beer striking oneself with the sword

[44:02]i that has a christian origin or it has an iranian suffer

[44:06]with origin what do they mean they say that if you look

[44:12]in the safari dynasty or you look in the kajar dynasty some

[44:15]scholars differ as to the exact time they say that there were

[44:19]scholars like darabendi and others they were the ones who encouraged this

[44:22]you would not find in shiite communities before the suffer with anyone

[44:27]picking up a sword and striking their head with a with that

[44:31]sword you wouldn't find it where did it come after the safa

[44:35]wits and in the time of the ajars you found that some

[44:38]of it may have come from areas such as azerbaijan and other

[44:42]areas like this and it started to go into the community and

[44:46]so therefore they say that this idea that the origin is striking

[44:50]the head from the time of alibaba they reject it firstly by

[44:54]looking at the sources of where this came into tasha york even

[44:57]some scholars say up to 150 years ago 180 years ago there

[45:01]wasn't even a sign on the 10th of muharram of someone picking

[45:04]up a sword and striking their head in iraq today in kerball

[45:08]you see many strike their head they say up until 180 years

[45:12]ago ask any haraka they'll say we don't even know about this

[45:16]you go to iran yes 500 years ago there may have been

[45:21]people who may have done this but in iraq they say if

[45:24]this was part of the teachings of the imams why is it

[45:26]that a couple of hundred years ago we don't see any iraqis

[45:29]following this if it's been there since the time of saying they

[45:34]say then why is it that for centuries nobody would even do

[45:39]this act if you go and ask many in the last 700

[45:40]800 years they'll say we don't remember our community is picking up

[45:44]swords and striking their heads we remember it a few hundred years

[45:50]ago the safa woods the kajards maybe for example then it cramped

[45:53]into iraq in places like najef and in places like kerbela so

[45:59]the first argument back is look at the historical sources what's their

[46:02]second argument they're like say that zainab salam doing something in bihar

[46:07]anwar's narration first and foremost the narration and bihar anwar comes from

[46:15]muslim they say that this person is not someone who necessarily we're

[46:18]going to take as reliable in terms of a chain that is

[46:24]broken what is the original source of allama imagility the book that

[46:26]he's found it in we don't know which book this is some

[46:30]might argue well historical events shouldn't go as much scrutiny as jurisprudential

[46:34]so if you want to find for example a jurisprudential issue versus

[46:39]a historical issue jurisprudential you need to scrutinize the island more than

[46:45]historical because jurisprudential you want to know what's god's law historical shouldn't

[46:49]be scrutinized as much but the reality for us is that we

[46:52]don't reject bihar anwar but there are some narrations in bihar anwar

[46:57]when it says muslim it just then it doesn't give me a

[47:01]chain and then it also tells me i found it in a

[47:03]book but which book there are question marks therefore on this narration

[47:07]furthermore they say that you're saying seida zainab was in a carriage

[47:11]entering kufa and she looked outside at the head of imam al-islam

[47:15]and she struck her head on the pole i thought that the

[47:19]ladies of karbala entered kufa on saddleback with no carriage does it

[47:25]make sense that the umayyads would give say the zainab a carriage

[47:29]went on without a saddle being taken in and was this the

[47:35]first time that said zainab had seen the head of imam was

[47:37]saying so how about that journey from karbala to kuwafa said say

[47:42]that zainab did not see the head of muhammad saying and even

[47:44]if says saw the head of imam al-hussein on a spear sayada

[47:48]zainab gets emotional that's her imam and her brother that doesn't mean

[47:55]they say that it institutes an act which we do where you

[47:58]get a sword and strike your head at the end of the

[48:00]day it's understandable if say the zainab saw the head of her

[48:02]own brother and the head of her imam she would get emotional

[48:06]how did that get transferred into being a law where you pick

[48:10]up a sword every year when you pick up a sword you

[48:14]already know you're gearing up to do something on the 10th whereas

[48:16]she did it in the heat of the moment there's a difference

[48:19]between the two because you might find some who'll say bro this

[48:22]year i'm going to do tatbir oh i want to start being

[48:26]like are we going to do some sort of entertainment show that

[48:29]we're planning for i can understand if someone says that i this

[48:33]year have an intention to mourn say this and i will see

[48:38]how i feel when i hear ziya on the morning of the

[48:42]10th i might want to feel doing martin only i might want

[48:46]to feel not even doing mata you know all of these they're

[48:52]not wajib you don't have to do them but in the sense

[48:57]of honoring your imam and mourning for him that is the highest

[48:59]of most recommended things that you do if my son doesn't do

[49:03]my term i didn't know his free will but i would hope

[49:08]that he remembers the holy chest that the horse has trampled on

[49:10]on the 10th of muharram but if my son decides that dad

[49:14]i'm still trying to understand it up to him at the end

[49:17]of the day i would hope that me and his mother have

[49:20]made sure that we brought him up in a way where he

[49:22]understands what i'm doing in azah but one thing i don't want

[49:26]to see my son doing is saying bro are you doing that

[49:28]bill this year when you are coming to perform an act of

[49:31]hazard this is not an act which you do because your dad

[49:34]and his dad and his dad and his dad do it why

[49:37]because now you've made this a family affair not an islamic message

[49:43]there are many out there they serve imam al-hussein according to what

[49:50]it brings them what benefit is there for me take him out

[49:53]of volunteering for imam hussain look at the devil erupting why are

[49:59]you erupted if you can't volunteer this year let someone else volunteer

[50:03]no i've done this for years this is not your carabella it's

[50:09]his how many do you see i have love for volunteers without

[50:12]volunteers my majesty would never achieve anything but when you volunteer or

[50:18]you do any form of hazard are you doing it with the

[50:23]intention that i'm getting closer to say the shadow is it become

[50:26]a ritual guys every year 10 nights i don't listen to music

[50:29]what allah subhanahu wa ta'ala goes to sleep for the other 355

[50:34]days guys 10 days i don't watch tv who's that watching tv

[50:36]is haram you can watch tv you don't have to go from

[50:38]one extreme to the other watch tv just don't watch those things

[50:42]which may necessarily take you away from the path of allah therefore

[50:45]on the first level those who said that say this she struck

[50:50]her head even if she doesn't struck her head she struck her

[50:53]head doesn't mean according to the group that is anti doesn't mean

[51:00]that has now instituted something which becomes us picking up a sword

[51:05]and striking our head secondly in all these other narrations i don't

[51:10]mind emotionally he came to karbala nine days after karbala even if

[51:14]he struck his head nine days after karbala i don't blame him

[51:18]because if i was next to the grave of say this believe

[51:21]you me striking the head is the smallest thing you could do

[51:24]believe you me but him doing it again emotional outpour it doesn't

[51:29]have to become law further than that many assad attawaban again emotional

[51:35]outpour example they don't find anything there at all with all due

[51:42]respect they say that the example of cupping in relation to tata

[51:44]beer i think there's a vast difference someone says well how about

[51:49]the 12th imam argument they say that the twelfth imam says this

[51:52]in stuff they say it doesn't have to mean literally my tears

[51:55]become blood metaphorically that i would cry instead of tears blood for

[52:02]you not literally i have to shed blood because the 12th imam

[52:05]has said these lines of maybe something which is metaphorical that that's

[52:11]how much love i have for you that my tears instead of

[52:15]them they would be what they would be blood so for those

[52:20]who are against that beer you don't find that they're against imam

[52:22]al-hussein they're not against the grief for imam al-hussein they turn around

[52:28]and say these arguments that you're positing one side you tell another

[52:33]school in islam why have you done biddah innovations that have nothing

[52:37]to do with the religion and you yourself are bringing things in

[52:40]which you don't find evidences of the imams practicing you bring me

[52:45]a narration that imam zayn al-habadeen in a book about dreams struck

[52:49]his head on the wall even if that hap let's say it

[52:53]happened how does that become instituted into a sword picked up on

[52:57]the 10th every year where tatmair is done because the problem is

[52:59]where do you draw the line they say where do you draw

[53:04]the line if anything can become azadari where do you draw the

[53:09]line because now somebody can say well my form of aza is

[53:11]what is that i'm going to put burning coal on the ground

[53:15]i saw a scholar who backed this up with a narration you

[53:19]know sometimes on the center muharram in certain parts of india and

[53:22]pakistan people walk across coal hot coal the scholar do you know

[53:27]how he backed it up their house was on fire they ran

[53:33]from one place to another this is to honor those who you

[53:38]can't yeah my brother how do you go towards that direction because

[53:42]now if i come to those who are under the mumbai many

[53:45]of them have come and trusted me i cannot start making up

[53:50]azadari of imam al-hussein then someone says okay there is the hadith

[53:54]from the sixth imam known as the makbala of who muawiyah even

[53:59]okay that hadith what do you say it says all extreme grief

[54:07]is reprehensible many people use this they say why would imam say

[54:22]in the mukbang why would the imam say all forms of excessive

[54:27]grief are reprehensible except for imam al-hussein we agree with this we

[54:34]don't have a problem with this is right in every circumstance it's

[54:40]different for imam al-hussein islam the kaka of any land does not

[54:43]give you the shaft of karbala under the dome anywhere is not

[54:48]like the under the dome of say the correct but what is

[54:53]the meaning of that jazza we have in the bar of who

[54:59]jabber when he spoke to imam al-baqarah that's extreme excessive love yes

[55:17]is macro except in his opinion is made acceptable for him i'm

[55:35]saying he says those who wail loudly they scream when they hear

[55:41]masa hussain if i see someone who screams when they hear the

[55:45]masa i've seen enough evidences that that is something to be honored

[55:50]sometimes ladies and madras they scream loudly when they are crying for

[55:56]say this says do you know what jezza is jazza is those

[55:59]who scream loudly number two those who slap their chests and their

[56:06]faces so if someone comes and tells you why are you doing

[56:09]matam imam al-baqara says for imam al-hussein that is something which is

[56:14]to be rewarded so therefore what does imam show us then he

[56:17]says the third thing is when you even pull out your hair

[56:20]from your forelock when you're remembering what's happened to imam al-hussein imam

[56:27]gives us the meaning of jazza because otherwise if every tom dick

[56:31]and harry can give an interpretation of what is jeza we won't

[56:33]have an end to extreme grief anyone can make something up i've

[56:36]heard that there are people who've even done tathamir with an axe

[56:42]okay a sword is one thing but an axe an axe is

[56:48]normally used to cut what trees trees would there are people who've

[56:53]done satmir with an axe i look at that i said listen

[56:58]brother i appreciate your love for say this but at the end

[57:00]of the day this is where you go at the end of

[57:03]the day i don't want to judge the brother but when you

[57:05]look at the marajas someone says why is there a difference between

[57:08]the maharaja why is it when he was asked the question he

[57:27]said as long as it doesn't cause harm to you because you

[57:29]know one of the main arguments is that you're not allowed to

[57:32]cause harm to yourself that idea of about that harm where you

[57:38]literally are about to kill yourself or damage a major limb like

[57:41]cutting off the hole of your shoulder tatum here is that little

[57:44]clip on the top of the head people see there's a lot

[57:48]of blood but that's not going to be something that necessarily is

[57:51]going to be something which is going to kill you when we

[57:54]talk of you can't harm yourself as a muslim we're talking that

[57:56]you can't get for example a sword and just whip your arm

[58:01]off or you want to commit suicide that you're not allowed so

[58:04]the arguments that those who try and pause it from however socio-political

[58:17]dimension image of the religion of islam not causing harm to yourself

[58:29]there is no harm in it but there is no benefit in

[58:32]this act at this moment of time that's his opinion went to

[58:42]another level he said this has no basis in the teachings of

[58:46]the imams and is the disgrace to the image of the religion

[58:53]that's their opinions hey when i'm sitting here i'm not here to

[58:56]side with one or the other why because i do allah explains

[59:01]it in his own unique way if you go to the website

[59:09]of istani in north america imam on their website has never ever

[59:15]ever given a ruling on top beer why he uses surah 20

[59:23]verse 94 to say i'm not gonna give a ruling pro nor

[59:26]against why he retreats away from the situation because he says all

[59:36]of these have scholars that they follow they can follow the opinion

[59:41]of their scholars if i give my opinion one group will always

[59:45]attack it the other will be pro it i say pro the

[59:49]other will attack i say anti the other will attack when harun

[59:53]said to musa o son of my mother do not grab me

[60:00]by my head oh my beard for i feared that you would

[60:04]say that i am the one who had caused the differences between

[60:06]the children of israel he said i don't want to bring about

[60:11]more differences with our people if i give an opinion as they

[60:15]say you're damned if you do you're damned if you don't what

[60:17]am i gonna bring by giving an opinion because at the end

[60:22]there'll still be one party who won't even listen to me even

[60:24]if i gave an opinion that is his opinion he doesn't say

[60:30]pro nor does he say against samara went against sistani neither pro

[60:37]nor against nobody could come today and say if you follow then

[60:41]you cannot do tatbir because allah is not said anything in relation

[60:46]to this issue it's your choice at the end of the day

[60:49]but ultimately for us we have to ask ourselves that that socio-political

[60:53]image of islam is something we need to ask if my non-muslim

[60:57]friend sees this would they get closer to a little bit or

[61:01]no we have to ask ourselves at the end you have your

[61:07]conscience and you are the one who answers allah i don't want

[61:09]to come and sit here and judge because i'm sad truly and

[61:13]it makes you emotional when you see that there are people who

[61:17]judge each other make fun of each other i've seen people reject

[61:21]it for marriage because they were pro tatbeer how that's the criteria

[61:27]for rejection for marriage i've seen those who are anti-tata beer yes

[61:32]they're anti-tat beard they say look at these people they go extreme

[61:36]in their love for imam hussain do not attend a single medjlist

[61:38]the whole year for a little bait and they sit at home

[61:42]judging those who do attend the magellanis and when do you go

[61:45]to the metrolis you hardly ever go so why are you throwing

[61:47]stones at people this throwing of stones at the end is going

[61:51]to destroy us someone wants to do it maybe he follows a

[61:55]martyr who allows and someone who doesn't want to do it maybe

[61:58]he follows a murderer doesn't but for us to come and slander

[62:02]each other on this area is not what the aim of karabella

[62:06]was rather the aim of aza hussain is to get closer to

[62:10]say this to give all your life away because in turn you're

[62:13]giving your life away to rasulullah in the path of allah and

[62:21]if they do zanjeer or they do it or they even just

[62:26]serve food or they stand in the car park all of them

[62:29]are my brothers getting closer to say this at the end their

[62:33]conscience has to speak but what do they all want they want

[62:38]a day in which they could stand proud in front of imam

[62:40]al-hussein on the day of judgment and say that i tried to

[62:43]mourn what happened i tried to remember you as much as i

[62:49]could never will i be able to shed a tear that's enough

[62:51]for what you lost on the temple muharram but i also want

[62:54]to follow those who gave everything for you as my role models

[62:59]male or female and want to empathize with what they went through

[63:02]and of them that we seek to emphasize empathize with um no

[63:07]doubt because if you ever want to empathize with somebody when it

[63:12]comes to true azadar and the one who instituted aza in medina

[63:17]it's uml benin in which way that uml benin who instituted the

[63:25]aza you find that that um without a doubt she did farewell

[63:28]to all of them one by one she you could argue was

[63:33]the first who had shed the azah of course rasulullah before her

[63:38]but she came one by one who did she come to first

[63:42]when they were all leaving to go to karabella slowly my brothers

[63:47]and sisters were coming towards the entrance into karabella coming towards the

[63:52]second of muharram but on their way they went from medina to

[63:56]mecca towards kufa and ended in karbala she bit farewell one by

[63:59]one who did she farewell to abba abdullah yes because to her

[64:06]that was her son and it was an honor to be his

[64:12]mother she was the one who would look if abbas belongs to

[64:15]father then hussain is my imam but i want to beat farewell

[64:19]she bit farewell to imam al-hussein who else did she be bit

[64:26]farewell to she bit farewell to say that she saw zainab's face

[64:32]there wasn't an injury at all on that face she saw zainab

[64:35]there wasn't a wound on her at all she did farewell to

[64:40]her she expected that one day zainab would return looking the same

[64:45]way then also who did she be a bit farewell to she

[64:47]looked around at her four boys yes if ever you want to

[64:53]see the meaning of aza those four boys were the azadars yes

[64:55]especially their big brother she came towards them one by one make

[65:02]me proud please i want you to stay loyal to imam al-hussein

[65:13]those of you who haven't been there why all the tears flow

[65:16]from your eyes i want you to ask for your hajja that

[65:21]you returned to medina one day she bit them all farewell and

[65:25]she looked in the eyes of someone as well who the six

[65:28]month old baby she looked at that eyes of the six months

[65:33]old she saw of course can you imagine how difficult it is

[65:51]for a mother to admit farewell to her boys it's extremely difficult

[65:56]but she had a thought in her head will my boys come

[66:02]back or won't they imagine how long she waited until she heard

[66:07]a cry what cry there is news from karabella allahu akbar every

[66:14]time she'd ask tell me tell me tell me is there any

[66:21]news from carabella she'd keep on asking is there any news from

[66:27]karbala until the bishop haslam came to medina and he called out

[66:30]i have a news that baby would be waiting to see his

[66:40]father but the mother was waiting as well she came to the

[66:46]front she asked tell me what's the news about the gerbilla mr

[66:50]aston who is that lady who asked they said to him bishop

[66:53]you don't know who she is he said no tell me please

[66:57]they said to him that's the moment he had this you saw

[67:04]the change in his emotion may allah reward you over the death

[67:12]of your son when she had this looking towards him what did

[67:19]she say she said tell me about about tell me which mother

[67:25]asks about her imam he said may allah may allah reward you

[67:31]over the death of your son abdullah she said tell me he

[67:38]said may allah reward you [Applause] then the next line all of

[67:50]you know it i don't even need to say the next line

[67:52]all the lovers of abbas know where i'm heading maya may allah

[67:59]reward you over the death of yourself whether she heard what has

[68:09]she heard about a funnel's name she broke down with her baby

[68:15]on the ground i ask everyone on this earth who doesn't break

[68:19]it down when you hear the name of ambassador when she got

[68:25]up and she looked and she said tell me tell me about

[68:29]jose tell me that moment the poet describes in a beautiful way

[68:36]if you gave me all the heavens and the earth and you

[68:43]gave me seventy a burst i'd swap all of them to see

[68:49]hussain's head in peace when you're a mother you know your boys

[69:01]have died you try to go towards your friend's house don't you

[69:04]uh she hadn't seen zayn up since karabakh zainab had returned baby

[69:11]father had returned at that moment baby saying that when she was

[69:14]at home she said but don't let anyone see me anyone knocks

[69:18]at the door tell them to come another time baby father had

[69:22]heard this suddenly someone knocked at the door when the no came

[69:26]filled with knew that i'll go to the door and i'll tell

[69:29]them to go away but when the filth opened the door she

[69:32]saw a melanian standing in front of her and phil laughs with

[69:39]the filter tell me where's zayn and when the zaynab turned around

[69:46]she said the film the film the who is it she said

[69:51]to her baby baby baby it's the door and that moment zainab

[70:00]ran it towards the door and oh my god [Applause] that moment

[70:21]oh my beloved lovers of allah muhammad raise your hands my dear

[70:33]brothers and sisters wherever you may be ya allah raise us and

[70:36]allow us to have the intercession of imam ya allah remove the

[70:42]disunity from our ummah and allow us to be amongst those who

[70:46]honor the azah of imam al-hussein may allah lengthen the lives of

[70:52]our may allah bless the souls of those of them who have

[70:56]passed away we pray to allah for this my dear brothers and

[71:02]sisters i ask you to generously donate to that in project hearing

[71:06]peter brahmay allah bless all of you we all ask allah for

[71:12]those wherever you may be in the name of um the loudest

[72:15]of your salawat [Music] yahushua hussain

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