Hadith Al-Thaqalayn

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Arguably the most significant tradition from the Holy Prophet, Hadith al Thaqalain - but which version is correct and just how have Muslims understood it?
The two weighty things. #Quran #Sunnah #Ahlulbayt

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[0:06]Haditha Alain is known as the tradition of the two ways he

[0:12]things it's the prophets final advice to the Ummah during his final

[0:16]farewell pilgrimage where Muslims had gathered from all areas and localities narration

[0:20]suggests that over a hundred thousand people who with the Prophet for

[0:25]this final pilgrimage it's therefore no surprise that there are so many

[0:27]narrators of this tradition the Prophet said I'm about to answer the

[0:34]call of death I have left behind the two precious things verily

[0:38]they will not separate from each other until they come back to

[0:42]me by the side of the pond in heaven the question is

[0:46]what are these two weighty things if we ignore the narrations found

[0:49]in sheer works of hadith there are two distinct versions found in

[0:53]the collections of the and Hashanah the first is found in monix

[0:57]mata where it's narrated that the prophet said I'm leaving behind the

[1:01]Quran and my Sunna which means these habits or actions the version

[1:08]in sahih muslim is different in it the Prophet says I'm leaving

[1:11]amongst you to weighty things the one being the Book of Allah

[1:14]in which there is guidance and light so hold fast to the

[1:19]Book of Allah and adhere to it the second are the members

[1:22]of my household I remind you of your duties to the members

[1:28]of my household there is no doubt this is a polemical discussion

[1:31]but I want to make very clear we approach numerous scholars from

[1:37]all schools of thought particularly from the artists owner after all we're

[1:41]discussing the traditions in sunni books we guaranteed that we would not

[1:45]edit any answers whatsoever we even asked them to provide their own

[1:50]of discussion we said these are your hadith in your books it's

[1:55]more fitting if you discuss and you explain them as you felt

[1:58]it we hope that more of our brothers from the artisanal would

[2:04]join us when we discuss such issues after all what unites us

[2:08]far outweighs what this unites us this is particularly apt in this

[2:14]day and age Islam is under attack from all sides even from

[2:16]with him we need to hold on to common grounds like never

[2:21]before and that is ultimately what the following discussion is about hadith

[2:26]the Helene was the final advice the Prophet gave when the entire

[2:29]Ummah was with him he said hold on to these two things

[2:34]and you will never go astray if we can find common ground

[2:36]with this hadith there is no doubt we will be better for

[2:42]it hadith ethical and when we talk about in this term when

[2:44]you're talking about is it the family the Prophet or is it

[2:50]the Sunnah that's a particular controversial polemical context of course she hadith

[2:55]there's lots of material on the relationship between the Imam in the

[2:59]Quran I Lee is always with the firaon in the foreigners always

[3:04]Ali which is early she hadith but is also found in Sony

[3:07]sources usually not in this era but it's certainly found you have

[3:15]others were you know for example the Prophet addresses I mean what

[3:19]many nan says you know I just as I fought and defended

[3:25]the revelation the tanzeel so will you flight in defend the tower

[3:28]will and there's a big question of what what's meant by the

[3:30]tower wheel so there's already this notion that after the Prophet whoever

[3:36]succeeds the Prophet has to have a certain relationship for the Quran

[3:42]and has to defend its integrity so in that sense the hadith

[3:47]ethylene encapsulate this notion of how we understand the revelation of God

[3:52]and how we understand the means by which we word back to

[3:56]God and what the hadith the feeling is telling you is you

[3:58]go back to God through the Quran and through the alphabet so

[4:01]in our sources in the soon sources for some reason rasulallah salam

[4:06]uses two words petra and abet Authority Allah BT okay so even

[4:15]in the same narration one of the Sahaba said what is his

[4:18]alphabet or what is his iturra is it his wife's so then

[4:23]the second Sahaba saying no how come because someone may divorce his

[4:26]wives and then he may just walk away but it raah Albert

[4:31]is his descendants so if you look at the term a debate

[4:33]in the Quran for instance chapter 33 verse 33 the preceding verses

[4:41]are addressing the wives of the Prophet now the way we know

[4:46]that that specific verse when Allah span wada says in nemuri de

[4:50]la lluvia uncommon little L beta becomes Akira the way we know

[4:57]that that includes males in that discussion is because of that pronoun

[5:01]at the end now some have suggested that because that pronoun is

[5:06]used then that excludes the wives of the Prophet but in reality

[5:12]it does not what it means is that it includes a number

[5:17]of males at least one but that doesn't necessarily mean that it

[5:21]excludes the wives of the Prophet how we know the added Bates

[5:25]refers to specifically those five the Prophet his daughter Fatima Ali Salam

[5:29]Imam Ali Ali Salam and Imams Hasan and Husayn are you masala

[5:35]it's because of the multiple narrations that we have that the Prophet

[5:39]pointed towards them and he said ha Allah Allah Beatty those are

[5:43]my a debate specifically those in my own understanding rasool allah salam

[5:49]in here is referring to Imam Ali and to Imam Hasan and

[5:55]Imam Hossein these are the three people because all of them they

[5:58]have received the terbium from rasoolallah sanam directly Rasool Allah Islam gave

[6:05]them much more time to anyone else so definitely the most important

[6:10]thing that rasool allah sternum brought is pron so I don't doubt

[6:17]that these three people especially Imam Ali so he is the person

[6:23]who is deserve the title of Seibel Quran after a Salons means

[6:28]the second most knowledgeable person about what is in Quran and the

[6:33]third is has an in person because they were young so they

[6:38]did not spend that much time as Imam Ali so in my

[6:42]own understanding rasoolallah listen I was only referring to them definitely say

[6:45]the Fatima is there okay so maybe just a bit lesser than

[6:51]Imam Ali or equal in terms of knowledge so and also the

[6:55]hadith which is transmitted within a luminous sources hadith or case I

[7:01]remember so in the Rasool Allah and included some certain people who

[7:11]have these people it was say the Fatima Imam Ali Imam has

[7:14]an amorphous aim and himself and then what did he say yeah

[7:17]a lot these are who paid to purify them so even almost

[7:23]animal comes no no no no you are doing well but not

[7:29]one of us stay out so I say this etre Sakhalin is

[7:31]talking only about these people and it is talking about source of

[7:37]guidance as put on the source of guidance these people are also

[7:40]source of guidance the Shia tradition have held that the version which

[7:44]they support of the Haditha theophylline where's the key travel away Authority

[7:50]or ala Beatty is motivated and has like you know 27 or

[7:57]29 or 36 different chains of narration in a sense is not

[8:00]really important what's important is what the that particular hadith mean for

[8:03]them and what does this signify and what does it prove for

[8:09]them the same thing goes when when Sinise you know who are

[8:13]perfectly aware that there are 27 at least 27 chains and they

[8:18]are perfectly aware that the hadith in its kind of XI form

[8:20]if you will is found in Sahih Muslim and is found in

[8:25]that Hakeem's most addict and is found in the most not have

[8:28]I been humble and and many other early texts for them it's

[8:33]the simple fact this hadith does not have that sort of import

[8:36]it's not used to ascribe authority to any particular individuals right it's

[8:41]it's basically it fits within this wider context of the prophets saying

[8:46]good things about people around him you know unfortunately our Messiah they

[8:53]did not spend you can say enough amount of focus or energy

[9:02]on these hadith they say this hadith is only emphasizing on looking

[9:07]after them not as a source of guidance but just looking after

[9:10]them for for some needs of course there has to be a

[9:15]response to that and and the the standard way nearest in which

[9:18]you respond is you restrict meaning and you restrict the import so

[9:23]what you do is you suggest that the hadith is not motivated

[9:31]in the sense that it only has rare or singular chains of

[9:35]narration which are are not corroborated massively and the second thing is

[9:40]you dispute what it means so you say that the hadith Ocalan

[9:45]does not mean that the whole debate in the restricted sense that

[9:49]we use it refers to the authority that these people have alongside

[9:53]the Quran even if you consider the Quran to be greater or

[9:57]lesser that's a different matter but even if it's lesser to the

[10:00]part they still have Authority that's something which has to be questioned

[10:03]because of course that's not what happened historically in the early period

[10:08]and then you also want to find other ways in which you

[10:14]can dilute that position by bringing other people who might be covered

[10:19]by the category of a Torah or a debate if we take

[10:24]Imam Ali an imam hasan emotion as source of guidance as Quran

[10:29]is insisting in that case the politicians they're going to lose big

[10:35]portion of the power the quran calls for the good treatment equal

[10:41]rights etc lucky but politicians need power okay so that's why it

[10:49]may be maybe it is suggested by some of the scholars from

[10:53]the political you can say biases or agendas or backgrounds or whatever

[10:59]you can call Linea so it could be any of them to

[11:01]misunderstanding based on their assumption about their own principles which is set

[11:07]up already about the guidance or deliberate deformation in order to stay

[11:14]in charge the other thing which will happen is that like a

[11:21]third possible strategy is to say well even if we consider hadith

[11:25]ethical and to be for dial or excellences virtues of Ali then

[11:29]of course others had virtues as well and then they'll bring in

[11:34]you know these hadith about you know all all my companions are

[11:38]like the stars you know follow whichever one you wish so again

[11:41]there's a sense in which you dilute the the meaning of the

[11:46]hadith by saying well there lots of other hadith which talked about

[11:49]the excellences in the virtues and the authority of other individuals and

[11:53]again you know you would see that if you read that whole

[11:59]chapter in Sahih Muslim where you have all these for that and

[12:02]then of course you have other medieval Sunni authors you know people

[12:08]are even taemi X actor who will basically see that say that

[12:12]the fundamental problem is that that all for the literature is problematic

[12:15]so they will say that you know the best thing to do

[12:19]is just to ignore or for their literature because there's so much

[12:21]of it and a lot of it is clearly fabricated attempts to

[12:26]ignore or downplay the tradition a widespread however they come with their

[12:32]own inconsistencies if we consider the idea that the hadith includes the

[12:37]wives and other relatives then who would I follow in the Battle

[12:42]of Germany for example where the wife of the Prophet is leading

[12:45]an army against Imam Ali who was the Caliph at the time

[12:48]both sides are at war with thousands of Muslims killed in the

[12:53]battle is it conceivable that The Messenger of God commands us to

[12:57]hold on to the Quran and our debate and then members of

[13:02]the island Bates are killing one another I don't think that makes

[13:05]sense to be honest the argument that suggests that the hadith is

[13:09]commanding Muslims to look after the family of the Prophet well I

[13:12]suppose my question would be why then was further taken away from

[13:18]say in the far corner or why was her house threatened to

[13:21]be set on fire with some historians convinced that that attack actually

[13:26]took place why was she so angry with the Muslims that she

[13:29]asked to be buried in secret and even to this day no

[13:34]one knows where she is buried you also have the battles of

[13:36]German Safina and Nara one where Muslims waged war on Imam Hani

[13:42]who was eventually killed by a bit mangy whilst leading the prayer

[13:46]you have Imam al hassan poison and then imam hussein along with

[13:50]all the male members of the prophet's family killed at the Battle

[13:55]of Karbala in the year 61 aah clearly that interpretation of hadith

[13:59]the plain was ignored but if we put history to one side

[14:01]let's say the Prophet meant that we need to look after his

[14:06]family how do I in the 21st century follow this advice how

[14:10]do I look after the family today they are no longer here

[14:16]I clearly have my own biases but it seems like there have

[14:20]been deliberate attempts to distort the true meaning of this hadith but

[14:26]what about for example has a Shaheed Musel column I say JA

[14:31]the most glorious Imams of Islam they were gloriously knowledgeable but are

[14:37]they included into this Sakhalin hadith Jeffrey Messiah I come to their

[14:42]own understanding they say yes I see no sorry I love them

[14:48]our Imams unbeatable Imams for me Ali said Jed is a hundred

[14:53]times better than my own Imam Abu Hanifah better in knowledge in

[14:58]piety in righteousness in everything as well as in the beauty physical

[15:04]beauty also in all of the aspects of human being but is

[15:07]he included in to the hadith of Sakhalin which is talking about

[15:13]the guidance source of guidance and he said dad is perfectly guided

[15:17]but he's not included into this hadith of iturra hadith is only

[15:21]talking about those adult Issa only they will never be split up

[15:28]so the people who are killing Ali the people who are poison

[15:31]has an the people who are killing Hussein they were killing Quran

[15:34]is equal so killing Quran what it would worth exactly the same

[15:42]opposing Ali in any way regardless or killing him killing Hassan killing

[15:48]her same is equal killing Koran killing Ali killing Hassan is equal

[15:52]for me it is equal because each of them are independently source

[15:59]of guidance the understanding highlighted by Sheikh Arabic is a growing opinion

[16:02]among certain sections of the Arneson various scholars and now of the

[16:10]opinion that this tradition is referring to guidance in the family of

[16:15]the Prophet however this guidance is limited to the allocation so where

[16:19]do we get the authority for the Imams that followed the fire

[16:23]that were under the cloak well firstly from a textual perspective we

[16:27]see in Sahih Bukhari Sahib Muslim Muslim had been humble termini soon

[16:34]and abanda wood and various others that the Prophet said there will

[16:38]be 12 successors from the Quraysh after him the question that follows

[16:42]is which twelve there has been confusion about this especially during the

[16:46]time of the Imams firstly there are numerous traditions when the Imam

[16:50]himself would designate who his successor would be he would make it

[16:56]very clear amongst his family and companions who the next Imam would

[17:00]be secondly there are no traditions where Imam Hussain says he is

[17:04]the last member of the Kazaa and therefore the last pillar of

[17:07]guidance in fact history records him designating Imam Sajjad as his successor

[17:11]and commands his sister's to ensure he remained safe after the tragedy

[17:18]of Karbala again history narrates that sada zeyneb stood in the way

[17:22]of evens the odds men when they threatened to kill Imam Sajjad

[17:25]another argument to consider is the fact that there is no recorded

[17:28]inconsistencies when it comes to the 12 imams of the are limit

[17:34]when different rulings are provided by different imams for the same scenario

[17:38]rather there is a consistency found in their teachings this is not

[17:43]the case with other individuals who claim to be the imam in

[17:46]fact there are examples where such individuals were questioned but then failed

[17:52]to answer basic jurisprudential issues this was never the case for the

[17:58]twelve amounts of the article thing what's more there are no examples

[18:01]of any other scholars superseding them in knowledge or any other excellence

[18:07]forget sheer historians consider history written by other schools of thought you

[18:12]won't find any examples where the iman's were corrected by anyone or

[18:17]was superseded in knowledge or examples where they went to learn from

[18:21]other individuals in fact when we consider imam al jawad and imam

[18:25]al hardy they became imams at the age of nine and six

[18:30]history from other schools of thought highlight how they surpass them or

[18:34]senior scholars even at that tender age it is therefore no surprise

[18:38]that each of the imams were under significant supervision of the authorities

[18:43]often imprisoned or under house arrest and then eventually killed this in

[18:49]itself proves their status yes other scholars were also pursued and killed

[18:53]but in the case of the idol base you have ten generations

[18:58]killed one after the other this fact alone is testament to the

[19:03]knowledge and character of these individuals with that said the discussion surrounding

[19:09]Malik's version of the hadith is arguably more apt when considering the

[19:13]formation of Islam as we know it today the version found in

[19:20]the Mata states that the Prophet declared he is leaving behind the

[19:23]Quran and his Sunna this hadith has a single chain of narration

[19:26]and forms the identity of the Allison the people or the followers

[19:33]of the Sunnah hadith which are stated in the big audience but

[19:38]then narrated only by single chain is it accepted within us no

[19:43]jima or not so we have two opinions first of all we

[19:49]look into the subject what is it talking about so if it

[19:54]is a subject which is important for everyone which occurs to everyone

[19:57]which is in our case because matter of guidance so in that

[20:00]we'll have two opinions okay opinion of Maliki's cafes and humblest and

[20:09]the latest hanafis contemporary hanafis this a single chain narration is sufficient

[20:13]but will have early honey free position which I followed by myself

[20:19]if the issue is something that occurs to everyone and everyone needs

[20:23]to know which is guidance the issue of balance for example in

[20:27]that yes single generation is not accepted but it actually proves the

[20:31]hadith to be weak el mapa is one of the earliest compilations

[20:34]of jurisprudence that we have in the Islamic tradition the question is

[20:40]well well why why is his version a little bit different did

[20:47]he intentionally intend to sabotage the narration or to fabricate the narration

[20:51]one thing that's important to understand is that even though most scholars

[21:01]were well versed in a variety of traditions so when you came

[21:06]across a jurist such as Imam Malik of course he's well versed

[21:14]in jurisprudence in legal theory but that doesn't necessarily mean that his

[21:18]ability to distinguish fully between what is authentic and what is non

[21:26]authentic is not as fine-tuned as his other abilities and even within

[21:32]the a debate school of thought you had scholars who were very

[21:36]well versed in the areas of law and legal theory but were

[21:40]not as well-versed or fine-tuned in their area of or in their

[21:46]study of narrations and that's why you find even within our own

[21:50]school of thought that there are some traditions which are narrated by

[21:54]jurists which are questionable the significance of Malik's quotation of clans and

[22:02]fits within his wider the wider context of what he's trying to

[22:06]do so the fundamental thing about the Maliki school and Malik's mother

[22:10]in particular in the early period is to establish Authority as residing

[22:17]in the practice of the people what's known as the Amal Almudena

[22:22]which is something that the Maliki is were very keen on and

[22:27]they directly associated Sunnah or profit with the practice of the people

[22:32]of Medina so what in effect is being said when Malick quotes

[22:36]the hadith saying you know cleave to the book of God and

[22:43]and my my Sunnah in effect is basically saying look the authority

[22:47]of the the practice of the people of Medina is normative right

[22:53]so it then becomes almost like a foundational text to establish why

[22:58]than what is important so something very very different to when you

[23:02]find the hadith in its other forms and other texts so that

[23:05]the context of the mortar makes it very clear what's being said

[23:13]it's fundamentally about the authority that Malik gives to this practice is

[23:17]corroborated continuous practice of the people of Medina the concept of Amal

[23:23]alamuddin er or practice of the people of Medina seems like a

[23:29]very logical point at which to begin the family of the Prophet

[23:32]as well as his closest companions all resided in Medina so gathering

[23:37]your sources from there makes them more sense you could even say

[23:41]that from that point of view this version of hadith ethylene sits

[23:47]in harmony with the version found in Sahih Muslim however when we

[23:51]begin to unpick the concept there are suddenly a number of issues

[23:54]that come up first and foremost when we look at the Quran

[23:59]we look at the chapters that were revealed in Medina especially the

[24:03]ones towards the end of the prophets life chapters such as surah

[24:06]tauba chapter 9 where the vast majority of the discussion is referring

[24:10]to the hypocrites people who claim to be the supporters of the

[24:14]Prophet who turned out to be conspiring against him the chapter talks

[24:20]about so-called followers who always made an excuse when the Prophet commanded

[24:25]him who even mocked some of the sincere companions in the same

[24:29]way consider chapter 63 the hypocrites a whole chapter exposing so-called companions

[24:34]who didn't even believe in the Prophet liars who would pretend to

[24:41]be Muslims exposed by God in the Quran these people also lived

[24:44]in Medina so naturally one has to wonder to what extent did

[24:50]the concept of a Malayalam Idina also take from these hypocrites the

[24:54]other point to consider is why the version that speaks about Quran

[24:58]and Sunnah is not narrated in any of the six ebooks surely

[25:05]such a critical hadith would have been cited that is good tough

[25:10]question actually that is very tough question um first of all we

[25:14]cannot question Sohail Bihari because Sahin Bihari is left as draft copy

[25:19]so Bihari never penalized so the copy that we'll have now it

[25:26]is not the copy of what Bihari was intending to make understand

[25:29]yes so it is out of context Mijares out of context but

[25:34]what about the rest one of the reasons could be they did

[25:37]not have the authentic chain of this narration or another could be

[25:42]in their understanding the ones who did not know it in their

[25:46]understanding it was miss transmission of the hadith of it they could

[25:49]be more than one reason but what was the actual reason well

[26:03]they know and God knows anything is possible okay anything is possible

[26:08]because human regardless regardless whatever his status so we all get influenced

[26:14]okay so for example right now you're wearing certain clothes why because

[26:20]you're influenced instead so influence is that okay and some of the

[26:24]influences could be permissible and some are not permissible but how do

[26:28]we know well god knows that yes especially for example Imam the

[26:37]say he's very well known okay so he has been killed why

[26:39]because of the matter of al batin Maru yeah so he treated

[26:46]my away in very low level okay so because he had to

[26:51]show you are if you know the meaning of the Shia Sunni

[26:52]okay so Teixeira Sunni in which not insulting our Bakr and Umar

[27:00]but keeping Ali above them so that is Tiffany so they killed

[27:04]him because of that okay so if you remember he came to

[27:11]sham to Syria and in the main general of Damascus he started

[27:14]narrating the hadith they asked him because sham you know the meaning

[27:17]of sham then like you may yet central for millions to narrate

[27:23]the a hadith in the favela of Maha so he became very

[27:26]angry and he said I don't know any Hadees in the version

[27:32]of mahalia except that rasoolallah solemn says may Allah not fill his

[27:36]belly that type of hmm so then the people not be seen

[27:41]in sham they became very then they started kicking beating so he

[27:46]was bleeding and then he had to go run away physically out

[27:49]of Damascus and in one of the ruins of the ancient city

[27:55]there he just died that he was bleeding and he just died

[27:57]that okay so and his collection is one of the six books

[28:03]Sunna so I don't think that this person with this courage would

[28:06]be influenced out of fear by political you can say mentality definitely

[28:14]I'm not saying that he will not be influenced by he will

[28:17]be influenced by something but not because of fear look how he

[28:22]died as courageous person like a insulting warrior in the center of

[28:27]omegas place so I don't think what you are saying could be

[28:31]applicable on him okay so means it could be anything it could

[28:37]be anything we have to understand that throughout history there was also

[28:43]a deliberate attempt to specifically divert tension away from the added weights

[28:49]to other figures and other personalities whatever the reasons may be for

[28:53]that some of it was political actually a lot of it was

[28:57]political and scholars were for the most part under the influence of

[29:01]politics and politicians and so what they chose to narrate the wording

[29:08]that they chose to narrate sometimes was based off of that influence

[29:13]and and the interests that they had to serve we can't say

[29:16]for sure why certain traditions were included and others weren't it's easy

[29:21]to say that there was an agenda but proving it is impossible

[29:24]but then maybe proving it is not important rather what is important

[29:31]for all Muslims is understanding why the Alesana have taken the version

[29:37]in Malik's mortar so centrally like I said the name Sunni or

[29:42]al Asuna comes from this tradition the people who follow the Sunnah

[29:46]so the importance of the Sunnah the most popular are the most

[29:51]common school in our time the school of Allison it is humbly

[29:58]school for them hadith and Sunna is predominant it is above Quran

[30:03]is above anything okay so even they quote from a sign in

[30:10]which they say as I says from it is quite dangerous statement

[30:13]but generated from Oz I and you know those I became of

[30:15]state of shamisen so as I says that soon as superior above

[30:25]above Quran because soon I can judge upon Quran and Quran cannot

[30:32]judge upon Sunna so soon I can't specify what is General in

[30:39]Quran but Quran cannot specify limit what is generally in Sunna the

[30:45]understand so that either you can say common principles of others no

[30:52]German our time so for example did you ever have a discussion

[30:57]with Sunni bra so what do you think when they're asked for

[31:03]evidence what do they expect from you Hadees okay and if you

[31:11]give them some opinion they ask you do you have had these

[31:14]to back it up even we'll have this non hadith a school

[31:20]called Hanavi the latest ones and contemporary hanafis also hadith is you

[31:27]can say humbly mentality so they say Quran only with hadith that

[31:32]is only the guidance but if you ask them what about Quran

[31:38]on its own they say no but what about if he's hadith

[31:40]on its own verbally they may say no but practically they say

[31:47]yes because they're already confirmed that hadith is dominant dominant and hadith

[31:53]can specify Quran hadith can obligate Quran hadith came to have a

[31:59]Sunnah to hakama or Quran vacuum that is the principle as I

[32:04]explicitly confirmed that so means Sunnah independently is guidance but Quran is

[32:12]not a goddess independently okay so that is the contemporary you can

[32:15]say sunni mentality you could argue that in innocently context what you

[32:20]want to say is that of course the reversion back to God

[32:23]curse through the Quran and through the Sun lab but of course

[32:27]the Sunda then of course is it understood with all these other

[32:30]accretions to it so son now is not just about the Prophet

[32:32]that sometimes about the early community as a whole it's about that

[32:38]age now it's about a particular order of Calif it's the caliphs

[32:41]it's about the normative practice and authority of those caliphs and so

[32:46]forth as well so in some ways the the term that will

[32:52]Beit is much more transparent for what it means but Sunnah is

[32:55]not transparent in terms of what it means with with Salafis in

[33:00]some ways it's very clear what they mean by sooner they mean

[33:03]the practice of the early generations particularly the first two centuries right

[33:07]and but that also gives them flexibility because there's a man a

[33:12]variety of those practices so even if you just looked at the

[33:18]the people who had described as companions of the Prophet you'll get

[33:24]everything from justification for nepotism to hoarding wealth to being a very

[33:31]staunch socialist or you know someone who rejects private property and so

[33:34]forth so you've got lots of possibilities of what you can do

[33:38]with it and that's why in a sense this appealed to for

[33:40]an asana is it's pretty vague it gives you actually much more

[33:44]flexibility than people think hundred percent we are not following what was

[33:48]left behind I had chance of looking into some of the the

[33:53]works of our jatha in myself and a lot of the works

[33:57]of Allison and know what is being practiced now it's not what

[34:00]was left behind there was not any collection of hadith so then

[34:04]how prophet can say that I'm leaving something which he never did

[34:07]look I'm talking from my own point of view rasoolallah Salaam Messenger

[34:16]is nothing but the one who gives interpretation to Quran an interpretation

[34:21]is not all the time verbal but by practice also so I'm

[34:27]leaving Sunnah in Arabic language means my way of being my path

[34:34]my habits so what rasool allah salat wa salam used to do

[34:36]and say it is just interpretation of what we should how we

[34:40]should act upon quran and that was left behind definitely but did

[34:44]that transmitted as correctly or not that is different question because as

[34:49]soon as russell i listened and dad okay when this bunny umeå

[34:52]came so they have ordered their own scholar to read write the

[35:00]sunnah under the name of ceará morality definitely I'm not confident that

[35:05]there will be a lot of deformations a lot of hiding the

[35:08]facts you know a lot of you can say things but yet

[35:11]there will be some drops of light also if you understand what

[35:15]I mean so was there something left behind of cosmicism living with

[35:19]them for 23 years or 25 years so he was demonstrating his

[35:25]Sunnah tsunamis habit okay Quran is revealed about forgiveness so look learn

[35:31]from me how you should be forgiving and by his practice he

[35:34]demonstrates forgiveness and mercy for example understand so did he leave something

[35:42]we are definitely he left okay but was it written or not

[35:45]there maybe we can disagree as the scholars in the time of

[35:48]Sahaba disagreed or even in the time of Rasul al Astana okay

[35:52]Abu Bakr he was against writing any Hadees even sturdiness todrick of

[36:00]hacking how him says okay in one of his books I think

[36:05]it is in mudhole if I'm not mistaking he he was told

[36:11]that Sahaba they have got some manuscripts with their collections of a

[36:16]Hadees so he collected them all he told them all to bring

[36:19]and in total it was something about 500 and then he spent

[36:24]whole night thinking about him and then he burned next day he

[36:27]said I thought about it and then I came to conclusion that

[36:31]I have to burn it and then he did burn it okay

[36:35]so that was his dis means a worker did not agree that

[36:37]we have to transmit it as written but was it transmitted in

[36:41]written well I said yes based on this yes okay and Imam

[36:47]Ali had perfect knowledge of all of that there was not any

[36:50]dot in Quran which he did not know maybe some of the

[36:53]other Sahaba maybe there were passages of a banker for example if

[36:56]a key item wobba okay in that minbar he says I don't

[37:02]know what is above understand so meet some other Sahaba did not

[37:06]know some of the verses but what about Ali no no he

[37:11]spent enough time to learn each single dot in Quran okay so

[37:14]that's why Allah Susan was emphasizing so during my lifetime you took

[37:18]from me but now I'm leaving him and his children they spent

[37:25]long enough time to learn from me what is revealed in Quran

[37:31]so they will never get separated from Quran they will have perfect

[37:35]understanding of Quran all the time so carry on learning so that

[37:38]was the meaning of that Handy's one of the old myths was

[37:43]that the concept and authority of the Sunnah is established by Shafi

[37:48]that's not true because the the recourse to the idea of the

[37:52]Sunda is found in very early texts and we have examples of

[37:58]that and there it's understood as once and amongst many others who

[38:02]knows perhaps what chef a does is he D limits what is

[38:07]meant by that so you know the classical definitions that you find

[38:11]in Sydney context of this one ah you know being what the

[38:13]Prophet said what the Prophet did what he acknowledged in his presence

[38:16]and so forth you know and and what authority that has with

[38:21]respect to the Quran with respect to theological positions etc you find

[38:28]that being articulated in the resada of Shafi and that's quite important

[38:32]because already in that you have the beginnings of an expansion of

[38:35]the sense because by then saying what the Prophet acquiesced you're in

[38:41]effect giving authority to the Companions of the Prophet regardless of whether

[38:46]there is something specific so that's why you then get hadith texts

[38:49]which include you know direct save statements or rulings or whatever of

[38:56]companions alongside the actual statements of the Prophet and you find that

[39:00]from the earliest collections of hadith you know the so called Moussaieff

[39:04]works which are about a century or so before a body in

[39:11]Muslim and Abdul Razak in a bush a BA I've never ever

[39:17]sorry and and number of other Masonic works which were established before

[39:20]that you already have plenty of companion material alongside what the actual

[39:27]sayings or the deeds of the Prophet are so you have the

[39:30]development for that and then by the time you get to the

[39:35]Classical period when the hadith compilations are produced when the early theological

[39:43]text systematic theological texts works of creed and so forth established then

[39:48]it's very clear by that point that the sunlit profit means much

[39:52]more than literally just what the Prophet said and it it's about

[39:55]his whole Millia and how that's another nest and transmitted for the

[39:59]Maliki's is very easy the transmission of the Sun lies through what

[40:02]the people of Medina do so already the Sun now is much

[40:07]more than what the Prophet did and said right what they would

[40:10]say is that you can discern the Sun not from what these

[40:13]people do regardless of whether you have a text which goes back

[40:15]to the Prophet and you find that happening and then what there's

[40:18]many things which are reported in water which do not go back

[40:22]to the Prophet but that's because you have this kind of hermeneutical

[40:27]device if you want of referring to the the Armada el Medina

[40:31]but for the others of course you have this wider sense of

[40:37]where the community comes in where the normative practice of the caliphs

[40:41]and the Companions and then successes and so forth comes in and

[40:47]so then you have this expansion of a sense of what's under

[40:50]means and in that sense it's sometimes a bit odd for suddenly

[40:55]theologians to object to the she understanding of authority because the show

[41:00]could say well all we're doing is we're expanding the authority of

[41:05]the Sun another prophet to that of his his direct successors the

[41:08]Imams who were of his family so we're just doing that we're

[41:12]doing something which is very similar if anything we're not extending it

[41:19]as much as you are by bringing all sorts of other people

[41:23]intent if the Shia are criticized for saying they belong to the

[41:27]Joffrey school of thought the school that was set up by imam

[41:32]al Baca and later formalized by imam ja'far as-sadiq because these imams

[41:36]were not there at the time of the Prophet well then it

[41:39]must be proven that their teachings are contrary to the practices of

[41:47]the even one example the same however cannot be said about other

[41:50]schools of thought who take their practices from companions who openly did

[41:54]things differently to the Prophet things that were halal at the time

[41:57]of the Prophet were made Haram after he passed away or additions

[42:03]to the fudge 11 or the Torah we pray is being described

[42:05]as a good innovation and there are various other such examples what

[42:11]you accept when you accept this on another prophet the son not

[42:15]as such is your accepting much more than profit you know and

[42:18]that's made very clear in you know the famous controversies about you

[42:24]know after the death of armor you know the the six-man committee

[42:28]and what they offered the two candidates and of course I mean

[42:33]while manin famously says you know I'm not going to agree to

[42:40]acting upon the the son of the show fan because if they

[42:42]did anything according to what the Prophet did well then it's all

[42:44]covered by the son of the Prophet and if they didn't then

[42:47]I can't do it because it's not binding upon me alright and

[42:50]ultimately that's where it comes back to it comes back to this

[42:56]issue of does the son include the binding authority of those people

[42:59]and and actually some news will say well you know the son

[43:04]that also includes what I needed but includes what he does alongside

[43:07]many others that's the problem and it seems that the earliest usage

[43:11]was directly associated with the Prophet but you know fairly quickly after

[43:15]that he starts taking on all these other aspects of what there

[43:20]was around him and the next generation are doing and so forth

[43:22]and that's as I said that becomes very problematic because then you

[43:26]can justify all sorts of things and you suddenly get all the

[43:32]worst excesses of the early conquests and there's so many other problems

[43:35]with it because once you then include the Umayyads into this sort

[43:40]of chain of authorities who bear the Sunnah after the early period

[43:44]and and it's very difficult to deny that is not the normative

[43:50]Sony position it is it certainly is the normative Sony position that

[43:53]why are we and yearsI then all those guys were legitimate caliphs

[43:57]that that's why you then get this kind of slippery slope to

[44:04]the sorts of violence and justification of violence that you find in

[44:09]the present listen we need to be very clear we're not saying

[44:12]that the Alesana who make up over a billion people agree with

[44:17]or support the actions of any violent groups not at all these

[44:20]groups have been set up by foreign powers as proxies to work

[44:26]against Islam what we are saying is that these proxies have utilized

[44:29]the actions of some of the early Muslims as justification for their

[44:33]own actions what we need to do is be honest and admit

[44:37]that if the Sunnah is going to include the actions of anyone

[44:40]other than the Prophet himself then we suddenly have contradictions that can

[44:47]be exploited regardless how senior these personalities were as Muslims from all

[44:51]schools of law we should be adamant that the Sunnah should only

[44:56]be the actions and behavior of the Prophet many things were done

[45:00]in the name of Islam or the Caliphate that the Prophet did

[45:04]not do we need to differentiate his actions and actions of others

[45:09]if we can unite on his actions then we will be much

[45:15]better for in the expansion of the concept of the Sunnah only

[45:19]makes sense if you have certain assumptions one certain assumption is what's

[45:25]known as idolaters haber right so the idea that all the companions

[45:29]are have integrity and property and they are kind of unimpeachable so

[45:35]to speak in their actions and their words and so forth and

[45:39]the second one is about this kind of notion of consensus of

[45:45]the community now recently it's becoming very popular that Ellucian scholars they

[45:51]are looking into this hadith of Malik and saying that it is

[45:55]miss transmission of the hadith of Sakhalin it was not sooner soo

[46:01]naughty but it was a thirty some of the narrators he missed

[46:04]transmitted we don't know the reason may be deliberately maybe by mistake

[46:08]maybe while copying and stuff so it could be thing but miss

[46:12]so that is becoming more you can say popular with an arsenal

[46:15]Jamar and the reason could be many okay one of the reasons

[46:22]in my own understanding which is beautiful before we were very isolated

[46:29]to ourselves Hanif is with with themselves humble is with themselves Jefferies

[46:34]with themselves but now we have social media lectures all over the

[46:41]places articles okay so people started looking okay so slowly slowly people

[46:46]are adjusting their understanding scholars are not exemption okay so in my

[46:51]own understanding the main reason is this like a main reason is

[46:54]that we started looking into each other's tradition all of that is

[46:58]influencing okay so I Houston they get influenced from Java is Java

[47:06]is get influenced from because they opening another suggesting something new to

[47:10]contemplate about okay so that could be the reason okay one of

[47:18]the most direct reasons in my understanding but there is another another

[47:23]reason which is people started thinking also okay so for example I

[47:30]I do by my by myself I teach the science of Hadees

[47:36]so people started my students started thinking okay so the hadith which

[47:41]is concerning the guidance and only one person is narrating where is

[47:47]hadith is related to the guidance and it is must transmitted and

[47:54]both of the hadith talking about about the same very issue what

[47:57]is a source of guidance the people who do kind of try

[48:03]to approach this in different ways they get shot down very quickly

[48:07]so you know if you've got some very important our intellectuals who

[48:14]like said no no comment like this early period is very problematic

[48:17]look at someone like in a Hassan Farhan Maliki in Saudi I

[48:22]mean he's a very very interesting person he's not of course the

[48:27]Wahhabi sometimes it seems that his positions are much more Satie positions

[48:32]but he raises also so very important questions he raises the thing

[48:38]that you know why do we not if we claim that we're

[48:39]suddenly why do we not take the a little bit more seriously

[48:42]then we should and you know at one point this led to

[48:47]him being under house arrest and that happens with other people as

[48:50]well you know it was one of the most painful things most

[48:58]painful experiences for me as Sunni to admit that we did not

[49:06]only betray her on but also we very badly humiliated the second

[49:09]source also al kissa Etra of rasoolillah salatullah sana we killed the

[49:15]main source Ali and we killed the two other branches of Ali

[49:18]in really bad way say the Fatima even long before Imam Ali

[49:24]was also killed okay so anyway killed or that according to different

[49:27]narrations okay so even though I have my own understanding of the

[49:32]so I have really badly struggled like a badly struggled because to

[49:43]today when I open Quran if I want to prepare some lecture

[49:45]but one verse believe me I spent hours and hours and hours

[49:51]the other day I prepared lecture about yahoos my George mentioned twice

[49:55]in Quran believe me I spent about nine hours I go to

[49:58]top re I go to her to be like all of them

[50:03]are top scholars like a great scholar to buy do you know

[50:08]that amazing scholars but so contradicting each other instead so what I'm

[50:13]saying is if we would listen to what rasool allah salat wa

[50:17]salam said we would summarize all of the ten hours into two

[50:26]minutes Ali would give the actual thing without giving us all of

[50:29]the opinions who is a Vulcan and Alexander the Great or Dhara

[50:36]Osiris interpretation some say no one knows understand and then you have

[50:40]to dig into it so if no one knows why why to

[50:44]mention this story understand so Ali would just by a couple of

[50:47]words he would just satisfy everyone you know okay but unfortunately it's

[50:51]gone we killed him but where is the heritage so the ones

[50:56]who came after him all of hippocrates destroyed that heritage also burnt

[51:00]the books okay fabricated these munna a judge saying that if the

[51:04]knowledge of Ali and he was not that crying Romeo you know

[51:10]he was greatest Abbot but his knowledge was not gonna jet his

[51:15]knowledge was herbalism his knowledge was science he's not all whatever is

[51:19]mentioned in Quran okay now if you ask any scholar I'm not

[51:25]sure about our jatha emotion but I wanna measure what is the

[51:27]purpose of life they say yeah so you can worship finish that

[51:33]that's incorrect and then you will not get any proper answer because

[51:38]interpretation of Quran was killed by us by our hands who killed

[51:41]him in Kufa okay so now advice for myself and for my

[51:55]friends how we can get I'm a bit I hope I have

[52:00]a lot of hopes dreams wishes but I'm afraid that the reality

[52:05]is could painful you know I struggle to find the opinions of

[52:08]Imam Ali authentic appeal because all of the genuine students of Ali

[52:15]they have been labeled as heretics just to cut the source of

[52:17]knowledge of Allah you know so whenever some scholar is labeled as

[52:21]heretic his books will be burned so we do not have anything

[52:27]which connects us back to the knowledge of this glorious personality mom

[52:32]Ali okay his sons really badly humiliated killed in the most miserable

[52:37]way you do not wish it to your enemies okay so where

[52:42]is their knowledge again burn destroyed understand so that's why I came

[52:48]to conclusion I know myself as Hanavi came to conclusion that now

[52:54]I have on the Koran in my hand I have intellect and

[52:57]I try my best whenever anyone says to me we have narration

[53:01]from Ali I go and make sure and I compare it but

[53:06]I do not take it straight away because there is a lot

[53:09]of fabrications because people wanted to make him to look very evil

[53:13]very stupid guy you know some of the narrations are you know

[53:16]such horrible about his opinions I do not accept it I don't

[53:24]I say Imam Ali will never make this type of silly mistakes

[53:27]because Russell hasn't promised that he will never be gone split splitting

[53:33]from Quran ok so now what to do my own you can

[53:42]say a principle for myself is so poor I'm okay and intellect

[53:45]and anything helps me it could be history it could be poetry

[53:49]it could be anything okay because I assume that we lost that

[53:56]glorious knowledge which is chronic coming from any of them for sources

[54:00]of guidance say that Fatima Imam Ali even has an imam husain

[54:07]who do not we lost it is gone as previous nations lost

[54:10]their authentic copies of their gospel that how we lost the authentic

[54:15]you can say opinions of any of them for sources of guidance

[54:21]so that's why just a struggle I just use my intellect main

[54:25]sources Quran hadith opinions of the scholars I use I involve all

[54:29]of them but I filter it by these two main things Quran

[54:34]and my brain so that's why I think it is it may

[54:39]it should make us just to step back we may have very

[54:41]you can say active very sharp brothers from Allison or from Joffrey

[54:47]you can say traditions so I think after assuming that will not

[54:54]the original original opinion so we should not be as strong as

[55:01]we supposed to be if would have ally with us now defending

[55:05]and spreading his not but because the the opinion of Imam Ali

[55:08]which are grabbing on now it could be fabricated also so that's

[55:13]why I think it is time for us just to help out

[55:16]each other to find the guidance I am as Hanafi I need

[55:21]your advice if you find my error okay as well as humbly

[55:24]Salafi or Chafee brothers so I need their advice also so I

[55:29]think now it is not that time in which you have to

[55:34]be very strong know about but more appealing to each other because

[55:38]we need each other in our in our time in our century

[55:40]more than in any other time you

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