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Fatimiyah Question and Answer | Dr Sayed Ammar Nakshawani | Live in London
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[2:32]emailing in now inshallah i won't take up too much of your
[2:38]time but this is something that doesn't happen usually outside of muharram
[2:40]we don't usually see that many views happening outside of the period
[2:46]of muharram but this is exactly what's happened here at imam hussain
[2:50]tv but without further ado i'm your host minhal khafaji with doctor
[2:58]how are you doing alhamdulillah very well thank you i'm sure you'd
[3:04]agree with me that i and many of the viewers out there
[3:07]when we look at fatha media it's never been gone into the
[3:12]depth that you've gone into these past four nights no one's really
[3:16]looked at it from the angles that you've come up with and
[3:19]there's so many people that have asked so many questions historical theological
[3:24]social all of these questions by saying that let's get right into
[3:29]it um the first question says your lecture on the lady of
[3:36]heaven film made some good points but the directors and producers are
[3:39]people with a checkered past surely you would take such a thing
[3:44]on board when recommending to or not watch such a film what
[3:48]was your intention from such an analysis well first and foremost um
[3:54]a big thank you goes to the team behind the scenes for
[3:57]their fantastic work let's not forget we would never have achieved the
[4:02]success if it wasn't for the great work of those behind the
[4:04]scenes the cameramen the producers and so on in terms of the
[4:12]film the lady of heaven i cannot deny what the questioner uh
[4:16]is saying when they point to the fact that there are personalities
[4:20]who are associated with the film where there may be question marks
[4:24]without a doubt about some of the statements they've made and there
[4:29]is no way that on my part i necessarily agree with even
[4:35]the world view of those who are behind the film in terms
[4:41]of the way for example they may look at scholars some of
[4:44]them may have for example in the past been known to insult
[4:49]some of our grand scholars and that certainly is not something which
[4:55]i have ever been or will ever be a proponent of unfortunately
[4:58]at times i grew up in a generation where there were wars
[5:06]between groups associated with different scholars and i don't want to see
[5:12]that in the generation to come so when somebody tells me that
[5:17]yes there are people who are associated with the film the lady
[5:22]of heaven who have certain statements or have a certain way of
[5:28]speaking that they differ with yes i'd afford that as well i
[5:31]won't deny that but my main point in giving the lecture about
[5:38]the film was more to do with the fact that i felt
[5:46]that even if somebody else was directing this film or if somebody
[5:52]else was making a film about fatimataz life i felt that we
[6:01]were still going to be too apologetic and that we were still
[6:08]going to in a way withdraw from support for a film on
[6:14]the biography of father so i know that a lot of people
[6:18]have gone on the tangent where they've said that we don't support
[6:22]such a film because of the people who are associated with it
[6:26]okay i can understand that in the day no one's going to
[6:29]force anyone um to watch this film and i'm sure there are
[6:32]even films in different languages where we may differ with the directors
[6:37]who are involved sure but say there was going to be a
[6:39]film produced about the life and the martyrdom of father would you
[6:46]still have a problem with a film coming or being released if
[6:51]it was from a different group of directors and producers my issue
[6:57]was that i felt that we still haven't evolved to a level
[7:03]where we are confident about our narrative [Music] and have the readiness
[7:11]to have our narrative out there i felt that there is still
[7:18]too much of an apologeticism yeah which in some cases may be
[7:23]valid by the way because i do believe that while we live
[7:26]in the uk you may release a film like this in the
[7:29]uk or the us or canada or australia it won't necessarily have
[7:33]the same backlash that it could have when such a film reaches
[7:39]for example pakistan okay so i can appreciate when some people say
[7:42]that such a film or any film on fatima because of certain
[7:52]incidents towards the end of her life i can understand when some
[7:54]people say there's no need to make a film because for example
[7:58]in pakistan some people may be attacked simply when this film is
[8:05]viewed but also at the same time i ask myself the question
[8:10]i think people have to ask themselves the question that why are
[8:13]we afraid to have our narrative out there of this lady's glorious
[8:20]life forget this particular production let's just say this production is one
[8:23]you completely disagree with because of who the directors are we have
[8:26]our differences in some cases with those directors they may not lose
[8:30]sleep that i have a difference i may not lose sleep that
[8:33]they may have a difference with me but when i saw a
[8:38]people straight away without watching the film straight away condemning yeah yep
[8:43]relax straight away condemnation without having even watched it [Music] straightaway there's
[8:51]a condemnation sometimes being condemned by the very people who've had majoralis
[8:59]on fatimatazara or organized majalis on fatwa zara in the fathamiya period
[9:03]for many years you raised us on fatah and now all of
[9:12]a sudden you're saying that when a film comes out about fatwa
[9:17]all of a sudden you're saying to us that no condemn it
[9:22]then why don't you stop fatima because you're kidding yourself if you
[9:27]think that non-shia haven't got a clue what we believe happened father
[9:36]you're kidding yourself we live in a world where the internet can
[9:40]go anywhere to any medjlist absolutely anywhere yeah and then it will
[9:48]broadcast that here is a major list for example in arabic and
[9:51]farsi in order in english why don't you scrap fatamiya all together
[9:55]because you don't want sectarian tension so let's stop fataminia all together
[10:00]my point therefore wasn't about who the ones are who are behind
[10:06]the film okay my point was why are the shia always getting
[10:11]so apologetic a person may have a 30 part series on the
[10:19]life of somebody like um we remember a few shahada ramadans ago
[10:24]yeah there was a 30 part series on his life no one
[10:28]was apologetic people were proud of making a 30-part series on his
[10:35]life why can i therefore not have a film on the life
[10:37]of someone who i revere you have your literature i have my
[10:41]literature your literature presents to you what's happened in islamic history in
[10:49]one way my literature deserves to have a voice enough of this
[10:52]complex of being bullied if you come to me from an angle
[10:57]of saying that something like this may cause sectarianism you're living in
[11:03]a world now where everything that's lectured on is available for people
[11:08]to hear no longer do people not know what's as shia i
[11:12]believe everyone knows what our shri beliefs are everybody now knows and
[11:16]so why not allow for our history to be made clear into
[11:23]a film as long as the hope as i've said i've not
[11:25]seen the film yeah as long as the hope is there that
[11:28]there isn't a side to this whole production where there is condescending
[11:34]comments made snide remarks attacks but rather here is the confrontation that
[11:40]takes place here's the life of father let the world see it
[11:43]those who want to believe it can believe it those who want
[11:44]to see it can see it now that's the reason now that's
[11:47]one of the reasons i put that question as the first one
[11:51]because um i've had so many questions this this same question came
[11:55]up time and time again on the whatsapp that why is the
[11:58]you know why is he recommending it is he not recommending it
[12:00]um but saying that the next question says from the philippines why
[12:07]did you decide to be so open on what is clearly a
[12:12]tense subject knowing the sectarian ramifications that may ensue couldn't you have
[12:16]just discussed fatima's knowledge or bravery or something related to the world
[12:21]today well firstly this is not my it's not my first pharma
[12:23]yeah that i've lectured yeah you know and um if you want
[12:26]previous fatamiyas they're available you could see all my different majorities on
[12:31]different angles of the life of fathers but i think at the
[12:35]same time there is no harm a person picking a series where
[12:38]they're able to discuss exactly what the shiite narrative is yeah now
[12:43]a person can decide to believe it or they can decide to
[12:47]reject it but i did begin to notice in our own communities
[12:49]that even people from amongst our own shia were now beginning to
[12:57]raise questions such as where was imam ali salaam hence the question
[13:02]or were their doors at the time or how could the arabs
[13:04]do that to the daughter of rasulallah and so on and so
[13:09]forth and so i just felt that well here it is it's
[13:13]the period of fatah i'm going to discuss this i don't think
[13:17]that people out there who are non-shia didn't know that we believe
[13:24]in this particular narrative they all knew but normally what tended to
[13:27]happen was a number of shiite speakers would think twice about for
[13:31]example mentioning certain names and so on i think in 2020 there's
[13:33]no harm giving your narrative and people can reject them people can
[13:36]accept it now just before we continue i want to apologize to
[13:38]the dear viewers because the questions are coming there's so many questions
[13:41]coming in right now so i might be on a question and
[13:45]then it will skip to another question so do bear with us
[13:46]and we do apologize if we do not answer your question by
[13:50]saying that uh this next question says salaam alaikum from belgium uh
[13:54]do you believe that the incident of the door is believed in
[13:58]all shitty circles may be doubted now more so than ever before
[14:02]oh no there's definitely shia who don't believe in the father um
[14:08]they do exist some of them probably are doing within shiites and
[14:13]which is quite crazy that you do i do believe that there
[14:19]are there are some who um who are affected by different reasons
[14:22]for not believing i think some who are not married to shia
[14:28]certainly don't want the story to have happened that might affect their
[14:31]marriage i think some who have business partners who are not shia
[14:35]prefer that the story didn't happen i think some who maybe have
[14:43]an inclination towards non-shia thought it really emerges in their beliefs surrounding
[14:54]this area i think there are some who have plausible questions but
[15:00]without necessarily having had the prerequisites to know how to dissect islamic
[15:08]history theology and the literature associated with it so all of us
[15:14]may for example question a certain issue within a particular field but
[15:20]that doesn't mean that we know the prerequisites of how you reach
[15:24]a conclusion regarding that particular issue so i sometimes may find someone
[15:29]who may have a question mark raised about a certain islamic legal
[15:33]opinion and so when they have the question mark raised about an
[15:35]islamic legal opinion they're like what does it for example mean when
[15:39]he says something like this it's not rationally making sense to me
[15:44]but do you have the prerequisites to understand how islamic law works
[15:47]how you derive rulings what is the different methods in which a
[15:53]person approaches a hadith or a piece of literature so you have
[15:58]some people as well who don't know the development of for example
[16:05]islamic historical literature and they hear arguments from different people and you
[16:10]know i remember seeing a video recently about how it said that
[16:12]famous shia scholars reject the martyrdom of zara one of them was
[16:21]akshaya another of them was i think someone who's just really angry
[16:24]with the house and wants to take his anger out and everyone
[16:26]a third one of them is one out of hundreds so why
[16:32]would you pick one and forget all these other hundreds um so
[16:36]you know i think there are people within our communities uh who
[16:43]are um who who have their doubts and listen i've got no
[16:47]problem with someone if they've got doubts on on these issues my
[16:50]problem is when they stop listening to what the arguments could be
[16:55]and they just set their arguments therefore in stone that no one
[17:01]is gonna ever persuade me or convince me again because you may
[17:04]have someone who says well you know i found a scholar who
[17:10]had certain doubts and then what do you find and then you
[17:13]find that they don't know about the opinions of torsi they don't
[17:16]know about the opinions of others from the earlier scholarship from the
[17:20]later scholarship so they hold on to one person and they build
[17:24]their worldview on the basis of that we can't force anyone to
[17:26]believe people can reach their own conclusions but yeah it exists for
[17:31]sure now saying that uh this question says my name is father
[17:36]from birmingham uh in the name of shiite sunni unity isn't it
[17:41]time to stop discussing fatamiya let it be so our brethren are
[17:48]not affected this question hundreds of this question the same question have
[17:51]come in from different people in the name of shiite sunni unity
[17:57]isn't the time to stop discussing fatal media well i think first
[18:00]first answer i would give is that maybe father in the name
[18:03]of muslim unity should stop should stop or should have stopped making
[18:09]a clamor for a piece of land didn't she think about muslim
[18:14]unity why did she keep speaking out you're just at home you're
[18:18]going to heaven anyway heaven belongs to you so why are you
[18:22]speaking out fatima why don't you think about just keeping the peace
[18:28]because your husband seemingly is always made to look like a peacekeeper
[18:33]so why is the wife not doing it if you have a
[18:41]problem with speaking out you should maybe first question father speaking out
[18:46]quite vehemently agreed upon in shii and non-shia literature that father as
[18:53]we mentioned yesterday in sahih al-bukhari blatantly speaks out about a piece
[18:59]of land called fedex why don't you ask why shouldn't keep peaceful
[19:03]why do you ask about unity why the father maintain the unity
[19:09]everybody quotes imam ali alaihissalam about unity or about looking after the
[19:16]dean i'll tell you what his wife was outspoken and when she
[19:23]speaks out she doesn't speak out for no reason there's a time
[19:26]and place for a person to sit together with their brethren from
[19:32]other schools in islam and i'm all for it it's always the
[19:36]shia who are begging for unity true true and this is something
[19:43]i'm i'm trying to understand that why is it always the shia
[19:45]begging for unity in all my years giving medjays i cannot name
[19:55]more than three occasions when i have seen an imam of a
[20:00]mosque in the uk only okay who has called out that there
[20:07]needs to be unity amongst the schools of islam i remember in
[20:14]peterborough there was a mosque there where they have wonderful relations between
[20:17]the shia and the sunni community i remember there have been a
[20:22]couple of attempts to bring the shia and sunni imams and mawlana's
[20:25]together but generally speaking it's always the shia who are begging [Music]
[20:33]when you're the minority you may have to beg but that doesn't
[20:42]mean that if i speak on such an issue that means i
[20:46]don't want to work together or in tandem with my brethren from
[20:50]other schools in islam on the contrary if now there is an
[20:55]event discussing a certain issue regarding you know the ethical world or
[21:02]discussions of law or discussions of sociology in british society no longer
[21:08]am i interested in who she and who's not let's all come
[21:10]discuss because when we're talking to non-muslims we're all muslims trying to
[21:15]represent the religion but this which is being thrown that don't discuss
[21:26]fatamiyah because it will mean that unity is affected i want to
[21:31]look at my grandmother one day and i'll ask her grandma why
[21:41]is it that you decided that you needed to make a clamor
[21:43]and noise when you could have just sat back secluded brought up
[21:51]your children and the muslims would have been united do you think
[21:57]it's something small for imam ali to just leave society for 25
[21:59]years what happened in that period after the prophet died is not
[22:04]it's not something to take lightly and after being such an integral
[22:08]part of society 25 years imam ali leaves the muslim community that's
[22:15]not something i can just gloss over ali son of abu talib
[22:19]give so much to the religion of islam and his youth and
[22:23]then all of a sudden leave society for 25 years barring odd
[22:29]appearances what's taken place and anyway there's no harm discussing history god
[22:37]and the quran always reminds us discuss what happened with the people
[22:42]who came before you there are trends in history learned from them
[22:44]so shall we stop discussing adam ibrahim shall we stop these discussions
[22:51]of what's happened thousands of years ago no there's no harm yeah
[22:54]discuss this the shia have to come out and be ready to
[23:01]give their narrative without imposing it on anybody yeah i'm not forcing
[23:06]people to agree with my whole narrative but i've got the sources
[23:10]for my narrative yeah you can agree to agree and agree to
[23:16]disagree now this question says salaam alaikum this question is coming in
[23:20]from beirut we have a mawlana in lebanon who says what difference
[23:23]does it make whether you believe fatima died martyred or not just
[23:26]follow her path and live her principles uh i think the prophet
[23:33]peace be upon him family when he said fatham was a part
[23:36]of me whoever angers her angers me pretty much made it part
[23:41]of your belief system that if you anger father in a way
[23:45]you are angering the lord because to anger the prophet peace be
[23:47]upon him his family is to anger allah yeah that line that
[23:53]hadith alone for me is enough for me to show that understanding
[23:57]what she went through and seeing who she is pleased with is
[24:02]integral to one's belief system this question says you must admit that
[24:09]we don't have many sahih hadiths about the rib uh the door
[24:15]the slap the miscarriage i have someone who is challenging for one
[24:19]and he is non-shia they say all you do is rely on
[24:25]kitab suleiman base okay there's about six questions and one there i
[24:29]think i think firstly questioning suleim and who he is whether it's
[24:36]uh you know the names a cover name you know do we
[24:40]know if there was someone who existed with that name you can
[24:42]question that all day there's no issue but denying that there was
[24:50]a current within the second century that believed this is what took
[24:59]place after rasulullah died you cannot so when people come and say
[25:02]to me you see how all you do is rely on kitab
[25:07]suleiman i as a shia i may turn around to you and
[25:08]say yes i could question who sulaiman is but one thing you
[25:12]can't question or deny is that there were a group of people
[25:15]you could call us whatever you want to call us you want
[25:18]to call the shia you want to call us whatever you want
[25:21]to call us in the middle of the second century there is
[25:25]clearly discussions about an incident and a confrontation occurring that at the
[25:31]same time when someone comes and tells you that you don't have
[25:36]enough evidence let me bring all the evidence together i mentioned in
[25:40]my lecture yesterday you'll never ever find the judge telling the prosecutor
[25:45]give me one proof in this court case why because a prosecutor
[25:52]doesn't just come with one proof a prosecutor tries to come with
[25:55]different angles on how this issue emerges yes so for us when
[26:00]someone now comes and tells you just show me one say hadith
[26:02]although now even this idea of sahih most people don't understand what
[26:08]is and so on but enough for us is that firstly if
[26:12]we want to bring in all of the documents of history not
[26:16]only do we have the earliest source that is solemn yeah but
[26:20]we have other sources even in poetry of the likes of say
[26:24]alhamyada in the time of imam assad where they're already talking about
[26:28]the beating and the broken rib and that's the time of imam
[26:31]assad then we have for example within our discussions of the likes
[26:37]of sheikh tusi where he says there was no doubt amongst the
[26:41]shia at all at all okay in the talks of the shafi
[26:46]he makes it clear that there was no doubt amongst the shia
[26:51]about fatah zahara is martyrdom okay so here i've given you three
[26:54]epochs i've told you i've also gone on to show you how
[26:59]renowned poets in their poetry are talking about the martyrdom i've gone
[27:03]on to a man known as the sheikh of sheikh who is
[27:09]discussing clearly the opinion of the shia we can even go to
[27:14]discussions of for example zaydi not only ishari zaidi and discussions concerning
[27:20]this we can even go to discussions of non-shia who say that
[27:24]amongst the belief of the shia such as hisham abner living in
[27:29]the time of imam assad was that they believe in the miscarried
[27:32]baby because of the attack on the door so look how many
[27:36]references i'm giving you yeah all of these references i'm giving you
[27:39]and i had and now you can use non-shia sources as well
[27:44]where clearly as we mentioned yesterday the lines falama [Music] and that
[28:04]he does not allow abba to attend yeah why wouldn't you allow
[28:08]abu bakr to attend if there is no issue between abu bakr
[28:11]and father islam why wouldn't you allow to attend clearly father has
[28:14]an issue yeah something has happened a clear confrontation so therefore when
[28:20]people are coming and asking well where is this written is there
[28:23]only in sulaiman it's not only in suleimance i could also go
[28:27]to scholars who people have never even heard of if i go
[28:30]to karajaki for example i guarantee you most people haven't even heard
[28:35]of let's alone going to later sources which discuss the incident of
[28:39]the door whether i want to go to for example eben tha
[28:41]was or go on to immediacy for example all of these discussed
[28:45]but people might say to me okay these are late i've mentioned
[28:47]to you early sources when i give you an early source you
[28:50]say to me but i don't want i don't want that source
[28:54]it's not my problem that in early islam there clearly was a
[28:58]ban on writing you know when you hear sahih al-bukhari muslim you
[29:01]always imagine that these are books which were very early yeah yes
[29:07]they said you these are very early texts these are books that
[29:13]were written in and around the time let's say but i don't
[29:18]see anyone saying that this is very late we know that for
[29:22]the first hundred years of the religion of islam's history there weren't
[29:25]many things being published okay in the first hundred years the publishing
[29:31]one may argue may begin with the end of the umayyads going
[29:34]on to the abbasids where there is a flourishing in the publishing
[29:38]so one may argue from um onwards onto the abbasids so when
[29:43]someone then tells you that why don't you have a very early
[29:46]source for the incident i'm like islamic communities generally did not have
[29:50]an early source for their history i asked any muslim today biography
[29:53]of the prophet peace be upon him and his family the most
[29:56]important man in the religion of islam do we have a book
[30:00]about his life for some five years after he died no ten
[30:02]years after you think someone would publish we knew that the arabs
[30:06]were not proficient necessarily in writing as much as they were in
[30:10]recording their history or really yeah but we had to wait years
[30:14]before something was published it could have been others pass on to
[30:18]each other but when you hear these names such as muslim and
[30:23]so on these are moving into the third century and onwards yeah
[30:31]now this question here is very interesting uh because it made it
[30:37]got me thinking it says um from london here why be patient
[30:44]when fatima has attacked yet still fight our issue and not show
[30:48]patience why be patient sorry why be patient when fatima is attacked
[30:55]yet you still fought you as in imam yeah and not show
[31:03]patience without so why was imam ali patient when father was attacked
[31:07]yeah but he still fought sure oh he has an order from
[31:12]the holy prophet peace be upon him and his family yeah that
[31:14]there are three groups he's going to fight he's ordered one is
[31:19]we we normally talk of them the the nakethine and the marijuana
[31:29]there are three groups and he fought them at jamal safin so
[31:34]he has an order in relation to after he dies that if
[31:39]you are able to find a situation where you have enough numbers
[31:45]go ahead yeah and the issue of fatherhood the first arrow to
[31:54]be shot that was never his intention they fought him they killed
[31:57]a number of his followers an imam you fight them and we
[32:06]have this order in our literature now uh this question says for
[32:13]imam had a confrontation with abu bakr if you say one fought
[32:19]the khalifa of her time so did the other what's the difference
[32:26]oh where'd you begin with the difference this is a major difference
[32:30]firstly only she died okay i showed imam ali thousands died biggest
[32:40]difference make sure she's the only one who lost her life yeah
[32:49]whereas aisha fighting imam in the battle of german thousands died okay
[32:56]that's one clear difference secondly it is there is no hadith that
[33:04]says ayesha is a part of me whoever angers me angers whoever
[33:06]angers her angers me and whoever angers me angers allah so fighting
[33:23]the truth so there are clear differences between the two situations without
[33:28]a doubt but still discuss them yeah nothing to hide openly discuss
[33:40]it and then you go to your grave and be confident about
[33:44]how you face them on the day of judgement awesome uh this
[33:47]question is coming in from finland it says do you believe imam
[33:54]ali gave bay to the caliph that's a tough one um and
[33:57]especially a tough one when you're looking at a scholarship did imam
[34:01]ali pledge allegiance well firstly um i i can't deny that there
[34:06]are you know there is evidence that imam al-islam pledges allegiance um
[34:10]to the first khalifa but the evidences are contradictory in how it
[34:14]happened i've read one hadith where he does it within three days
[34:17]i've read another that he pledges allegiance and this is within you
[34:21]know non-shia literature that imam ali doesn't pledge allegiance until after allah
[34:26]died now you're a bit baffled here if imam pledges allegiance after
[34:33]father why wouldn't he have just pledged allegiance right from the beginning
[34:41]if everything's rosy true true why would you have to wait for
[34:45]example six months to pledge allegiance now in some shiite narratives you
[34:50]have scholars who discuss there's a sermon in nigel bella which some
[34:53]discuss as to whether imam allah is showing that he willingly gave
[34:58]ba'am there is there are some scholars who believe that he was
[35:01]forced to give abaya the same position haroon found himself with the
[35:05]children of israel yeah in the same position imam ali al-islam found
[35:08]himself with his community at that time and we know that a
[35:12]forced pledge in islam doesn't mean anything yeah so if there was
[35:17]a pledge it seemingly is a pledge which is forced and certainly
[35:19]is one in the hadith literature where there are contradictions as to
[35:23]whether it was done straight away or whether it was done months
[35:26]later and if it's done months later then question marks have to
[35:29]be raised thank you very much saying then thank you for that
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[37:09]and a session with doctor said amanda now say before the break
[37:13]we were answering the devious questions uh there's so many of them
[37:18]i'm just picking the first one that comes in front of me
[37:20]uh this one says from denmark uh fatima's daughter um marries omar
[37:28]how could imam ali let this happen if omar did what he
[37:33]did you know i i can't uh answer the question in in
[37:40]like two or three minutes because this requires deep historical analysis and
[37:45]i think that even a scholarship has their difference of opinion on
[37:50]the issue as to whether um who marries the second caliph is
[37:59]um daughter of imam ali hassam and father marriage or daughter for
[38:04]example from a previous marriage of a wife of imam ali so
[38:10]is she the daughter for example of asma benjamin who used to
[38:15]be the wife of jafar tayar and then later marries um until
[38:23]she marries imam or is she the daughter of fatama i think
[38:29]it can be looked at in a number of ways and as
[38:33]i said you know having a couple of minutes to answer this
[38:39]question will not do it justice have i met shii scholars who
[38:42]believe in this marriage yes what's their argument for believing in it
[38:49]they say that when the prophet in his will told imam allah
[38:53]that the quraysh will rise against you and oppress you and humiliate
[39:00]you i think that some of those scholars believe that part of
[39:04]the humiliation was a humiliation that he was facing with a member
[39:08]of his own family and that could be that particular marriage the
[39:13]marriage narration is a baffling one if you don't let me marry
[39:19]her i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that you know the
[39:20]second khalifa is really pumped up to marry her but imam ali
[39:25]has an issue he has to go to imam ali's you know
[39:26]has to go towards the family member of the imam and his
[39:30]uncle abbas is alive at the time and there is even discussions
[39:35]about trying to find out whether she's reached the age of puberty
[39:38]or no um it really requires a thorough discussion so on one
[39:41]hand you've got some who might say if imam lost father and
[39:46]he lost his khalafa this is another part of the humiliation that
[39:50]the prophet had mentioned we may not understand it for me and
[39:53]jew sometimes when we're looking at history there are certain things we
[39:56]don't want to accept happened yeah now there are other sharia scholars
[40:00]who have blatantly denied it who have blatantly said that okay um
[40:03]thumb there wasn't just one um sure there was a number of
[40:07]them called thumbs at the time and it could have been an
[40:11]um who was the daughter of a wife of imam khalifa from
[40:12]a previous marriage not the daughter of imam ali irrespective you're really
[40:20]clutching at thin straws if you're going to use marriages yeah to
[40:24]try and uh prove someone's greatness or to try and cover four
[40:32]acts yeah no one can deny that you know the confrontation between
[40:35]the first and second caliph and it's something that would remain with
[40:40]them forever and until today the books of history still mention yep
[40:44]that there was a clear grievance on her part she certainly did
[40:48]not want them at her funeral now saying that this question is
[40:51]something that's come as a bit of news news to me uh
[40:55]it says i'd like to ask the following question did imam and
[41:00]hussain alaihissalam ever blame abu-bakr and umar for his death as per
[41:05]the following reference the magnet of imam are saying volume 2 page
[41:09]34 by allah i will remain covered in my blood until i
[41:12]see my grandfather and say oh messenger of allah abu-bakr and omar
[41:17]killed me yeah there is uh a discussion on this i think
[41:23]it's the book um hillary's work is that majorly i think quotes
[41:31]from it about imam al-hussein looking back while you know while on
[41:38]the plains of karbala and mentioning that i you know i was
[41:41]the reason i'm being killed and he takes it back as far
[41:45]as what took place with sarifa onwards so it is there within
[41:49]uh shia literature and possibly highlights that those who say none of
[41:53]the imams mentioned it you have imam al-hussein mentioning that what took
[41:57]place after rasulallah died is the reason that i'm in this position
[42:03]in karbala today it's not far-fetched if one says that zarifah the
[42:08]biggest problem with sarcas that anyone could become khalifa all you needed
[42:13]was the right support system at the time and and and that's
[42:18]how these you know these leaders like yazid and so on how
[42:21]is it that they become how is it that they come into
[42:24]power they come into power because you now have a system of
[42:29]so-called either democracy yeah or putting your friend into power and if
[42:33]abu bakr could put omar into power because you know did not
[42:37]come into power through an election no so why can't muawiyah put
[42:40]his son into power now this question says this is a sister
[42:47]from pakistan my question is why is the grave of our beloved
[42:51]prophet muhammad peace be upon him in his family in the same
[42:54]roof sharing with the first and the second uh it's a very
[43:02]simple answer and that is um it helps when your daughters are
[43:10]married to the prophet so they're going to receive a share of
[43:16]of the inheritance the share of his house and so aisha is
[43:26]still alive after the prophet dies she's a widow and hafsah is
[43:32]a widow and in islam the widow gets 1 8.
[43:36]so my father dies i'm going to make sure that he is
[43:40]buried here and if my father dies i'll make sure that he's
[43:44]buried there problem is there's let's say nine wives of the prophet
[43:51]let's say nine i don't want to go into scrupulous details of
[43:54]how many could be ten eleven one let's say there's nine wise
[43:57]let's see if you're getting one eighth but there's nine of you
[44:03]what does that make 1 over 72 72 so then how was
[44:08]it that your father and your father got allotted all of that
[44:10]what happened to everyone else and so there are those who will
[44:19]say for example that why is it that you know they're buried
[44:21]next to the prophet and your daughter is married to the prophet
[44:23]of god and so you're going to have a good allocation if
[44:26]things work out well for you yeah you'd agree i agree secondly
[44:32]being buried next to the holy prophet peace be upon his family
[44:37]doesn't mean that you're any higher or any lower than anybody else
[44:41]in your time imam islam is buried thousands of miles away from
[44:46]the prophet peace be upon his family yep and najib now does
[44:51]that mean that imam ali is he's buried in najaf far away
[44:55]from the prophet is not as high but yes that's the point
[45:01]in terms of inheritance the daughters made sure their fathers were looked
[45:03]after ascension now this question says i converted newly into shias and
[45:10]because of you and muharram i wanted to know how can i
[45:14]mourn fathamia to the best of my abilities whilst living in an
[45:19]anti-shia household where i'm having to do takaya the very fact that
[45:25]you've uh you've asked this question is mourning in itself i'm mystified
[45:30]while i'm mystified that there are certain members of even our shia
[45:37]community who can just sometimes be sitting at home and it wouldn't
[45:41]make a difference to them fatah the way muharram makes a difference
[45:44]when the reality is the man martyred in muharram if it wasn't
[45:49]for his mom he wouldn't be who he is true as mum
[45:52]said the principles of how you stand of how you speak out
[46:00]of bravery of valor of sacrifice and allah you should kiss your
[46:05]your your parents hands kiss your mom's hand who instilled in you
[46:08]the love of father because here we have somebody who's telling us
[46:10]that they're a convert and they can't mourn for fatima and we
[46:15]can mourn for fatima and we find it very normal to be
[46:19]in a household where mom and dad don't even seem like they
[46:22]have a relationship with fathers but for the brother or sister who
[46:28]sent this question all i can say is that you know what
[46:29]you're amazing you've come towards the part of alibaba the fact that
[46:33]you're even thinking about fathoms islam is mourning in itself this question
[46:38]says this one was very common this says salam alaykum in the
[46:45]trader in the trailer of the lady of heaven there's a depiction
[46:48]of the prophet sallallahu alaihi face however not the faces of imam
[46:54]and bibi fatima so is this film permissible to watch since it
[47:00]portrays uh the prophet sallallahu alaihi on his face my interesting angle
[47:05]of permissibility of watching this film now there's a new angle and
[47:09]that is you know having to watch the you know having to
[47:12]see the face of the prophet and so on well we've certainly
[47:13]seen the face of a few a few prophets and shiite productions
[47:19]in the last few years so nabi youssef his face was blatant
[47:21]i think he became like a major you know major hit the
[47:23]actor who played nabi yosuf salaam um and if you refer to
[47:30]rulings you could refer to allah and others and you'll find that
[47:33]they will say that as long as the person who's playing the
[47:34]role doesn't bring a bad image you know to to to the
[47:39]um to the infallible um who they're playing or who they're representing
[47:44]then there is no harm so we have within shia juro's prudential
[47:49]opinions that you can have someone who plays the role of a
[47:52]for example mason there may be some who differ now this question
[47:57]says from kashmir india my question is that did imam used to
[48:03]go to the masjid after sacrifice and if yes was he attending
[48:07]the congregation prayer and how praised for your success now there is
[48:12]evidence that imam ali alayhi salam prayed amongst the community after the
[48:24]prophet peace be upon him and his family died um he certainly
[48:27]was praying at home that there's no doubt about but i do
[48:30]think there is evidence within shia literature you don't have to go
[48:33]to outside of shiite literature there is that famous incident that's quoted
[48:37]by khalid and a possible assassination attempt on imam ali alayhi and
[48:42]then imam ali foils that assassination he was certainly in the mosque
[48:45]at that time does that indicate that he was in the mosque
[48:48]on other occasions i think there's enough within shiite literature where you
[48:50]can conclude that yeah okay now this question says various traditions have
[48:57]been narrated regarding the burial of say that according to one that
[49:02]there was no hustle to her because russell is always for uncleans
[49:05]a seder being the center of verse of sanctification there was no
[49:10]was muslim may it to her and it should not be recited
[49:13]through the member please comment to it oh no there's certainly a
[49:19]hustle in our literature you'll find that imam gave us um there
[49:26]are different laws regarding russell for the martyr if the martyr dies
[49:30]on the battlefield doesn't require russell those who don't die on the
[49:33]battlefield and then russell is required yes and within shiite literature there's
[49:37]evidence clearly of him and asma the daughter of omaha performing now
[49:47]as this question says i heard the shaytan congratulates the second caliph
[49:52]after the election is that right i've heard it's written in kitab
[50:01]hilari yeah there is uh there is a narration that the first
[50:04]to give a pledge of allegiance that satay for shaytan um of
[50:09]course shaitan can come in the form of a human being and
[50:13]that can be found within kitab suleim i do remember also reading
[50:19]and just on the back of my head about how he there
[50:21]is some discussion about how he takes even the form of muhira
[50:25]bin shaba but i think that was a while back when i
[50:28]read it but yeah there is there is a sheer opinion there
[50:31]um that you know shaytan was of those who pledge the legions
[50:37]yeah now next question says my name is rasheed from pakistan my
[50:40]question is what's the num okay so what is the reference for
[50:45]the hadith in evie it's about the house of fatima zara yesterday
[50:54]if you just email uh or just send your email and we
[50:59]will give you the exact reference i could easily sit here and
[51:01]say hadith number 3425 volume seven yeah but there's different versions of
[51:10]it um we'll send you the reference inshallah with a particular publication
[51:14]print here so that you go to the exact one inshallah uh
[51:18]now this question says the world that said was referring to uh
[51:23]what's the source i would love to read the entire world if
[51:28]available the will of the prophet um that's where the will is
[51:36]insha allah now this question says i'm saying i have a question
[51:40]i've always heard the incident of the door was about first of
[51:43]all but said in the second lecture it was 40 to 45
[51:48]days after the question is what islamic date that the incident of
[51:52]the door and the shahada of hazard happened i think my opinion
[52:04]maybe differs with a lot of shia scholarship okay i believe that
[52:13]there are a number of attempts and a number of confrontations that
[52:25]happen between the ruling party you know gathering in the house but
[52:39]i don't believe that straight after saktifa there was an attack i
[52:42]believe at the beginning there's a threaten or there's a threat to
[52:47]burn a threat to burn the house of fat on which i
[52:52]even believe that some there are some non-shia out there who believe
[52:55]that there was a threat yeah i heard one of them say
[52:59]something interesting he said there was a threat to burn the house
[53:05]but not to burn fathers khalifa he's going to jannah what they
[53:18]try to do they try they try and protect the angle that
[53:20]when omar says we're going to burn in that reference of the
[53:26]muslim foreign they try and say no not burn the house i
[53:31]mean that not burn fatah or this it means that we're going
[53:32]to attack ali and zubair if they keep gathering because there is
[53:36]there is a lot of literature which tries to justify even why
[53:42]this is taking place so you'll have some who'll answer the question
[53:47]why did omar do this they'll say omar you know gets angry
[53:49]quickly that's one answer you always hear that ahmad gets angry quickly
[53:56]okay another is omar cared for the state of the ummah so
[53:59]the way he cared is by threatening the daughter of the man
[54:02]who built the ummah interesting and then you have a third opinion
[54:10]which is an opinion which i remember attributed to eben tamiya where
[54:16]ibn tamiya says that they had our right even if they didn't
[54:24]but if they did they had a right to enter the house
[54:29]of father to check if there's wealth there which could be against
[54:31]the government and therefore a government and you know that there are
[54:35]people conspiring against your government so you should smash or you should
[54:41]go and investigate so what you have is is that it does
[54:52]exist that there are confrontations one two and i believe that maybe
[54:55]on the third one is the attack on the door a lot
[54:59]of shiite scholars may say it happens a day or two after
[55:02]september i personally believe that no i think you have to wait
[55:04]a while i think there's there is a back and forth certainly
[55:07]taking place there's a confiscation of fedex which i believe was ten
[55:12]days after rasool allah died but i believe that you're you're talking
[55:15]well over a month before there is that final attack and possibly
[55:18]the return of um from the expedition with osama with the help
[55:25]of beni islam i think you know what when he returns and
[55:29]he blatantly says that i'm not going to pledge allegiance and 80
[55:31]others are supposedly not to have said i think then from there
[55:35]the ruling authority goes for one last attack i really want to
[55:37]apologize to the dear viewers there's hundreds there's thousands of questions coming
[55:42]in to the office to this uh ipad um i'm trying my
[55:44]best we're trying our best to get through them as quickly as
[55:46]possible and as best answered as possible uh saying that this question
[55:53]says my query is that these days young age marriages are highly
[55:56]criticized for obvious reasons like child labor lack of mental and emotional
[56:01]maturity etc and recently i have come to know that lady fatima
[56:04]alaihissalam got married at the age of nine years old when he
[56:10]was 20 years old is it true and if yes then how
[56:14]can we explain and understand the huge age gap and the very
[56:20]young age of fatah alayhis at the time of her marriage that's
[56:24]an interesting question because yeah she was nine and imam ali al-issalam
[56:31]was 23.
[56:32]okay um and there are societies where such marriages of somebody who
[56:41]has just become adolescent or slightly older was a norm there are
[56:45]cultures where it's the norm there are cultures where people even develop
[56:48]physically quicker than others environments or climates and so you even have
[56:55]say that when she gets married i think she's 10 years old
[56:57]okay now you may find a non-muslim who might turn around and
[57:04]say look how young this is i i think mary gives birth
[57:07]to christ at like 11 or 12 or something so you know
[57:12]if ever you wanted to put pressure on someone it's by them
[57:15]coming forth with a baby and there's been no man who's touched
[57:18]them so you had societies where marriages could happen i think there
[57:23]are certain parts of africa and india if i'm not mistaken yeah
[57:26]and i'm not talking about areas where for example you would say
[57:32]the girl is forced but i am talking about certain parts where
[57:37]13 14 year old may be more developed because of the climate
[57:39]and environment yeah to other parts you may even have found that
[57:43]for example in certain states in the u.s up until 30 years
[57:46]ago you could get married to somebody and the legal age could
[57:49]be 14 for example i think this day and age you know
[57:53]such things i believe can cause oppression no doubt and i think
[57:57]hence you see scholars who don't uh promote yeah um you know
[58:02]those types of marriages now by that time different times different societies
[58:05]i think it was acceptable there was no who had that's for
[58:09]sure now this question says salam alaykum um i'll keep my question
[58:13]brief as a young muslim woman i'm told i often talk too
[58:18]much about politics and social justice and that i shouldn't do that
[58:21]what life lessons can a young muslim woman tail from the life
[58:25]of bibi fatima alaihissalam and the role she played in politics and
[58:28]taking a stand against depression yeah well you know there's there's so
[58:36]much to look at and i know that these days there is
[58:41]a major movement to try and understand feminism and it's all different
[58:45]forms and definitions which i do think is something exciting um and
[58:51]when feminism normally looks to discuss for example people's rights in terms
[58:57]of education in terms of ownership of property in terms of inheritance
[59:00]in terms of freedom of choice i think that fatherhood is in
[59:05]terms of her political stand can actually be a role model for
[59:10]a lot of ladies out there in the world who feel they
[59:12]have no voice yeah um i know the way that sometimes we
[59:18]depict her is more to talk about who she's related to she's
[59:23]the wife of imam ali and she's the daughter of rasulallah without
[59:29]actually saying fatima is fatima what is that when you do speak
[59:43]the truth you'll have very few friends number one number two it
[59:48]could mean that when you speak the truth those from your own
[59:52]may be the first to attack you number three it's good to
[59:59]maintain the peace for a while but there has to be a
[60:00]moment where you're unapologetic when you could see that people are trampling
[60:08]on others rights if you take those three as a formula for
[60:11]political activism that number one being politically active may mean that you
[60:19]won't have many friends yep and that number two sometimes your own
[60:23]are the first to stab you in the back and that number
[60:29]three sometimes you may have to speak out against the ruling authorities
[60:32]if you see that they're trampling on people's rights i think there's
[60:36]enough of a formula there i think the only difference is that
[60:39]you would have had to have developed a great level of wisdom
[60:43]to know what to speak about politically when to speak about it
[60:52]politically and that political activism doesn't have one way you know people
[60:58]always imagine there's only one way of political action as soon as
[61:00]i see you wrong i had to get demonstration and shout and
[61:02]make a clamor no there are different methods in which a person
[61:08]may be politically active but you need to certainly be listening to
[61:12]the people of wisdom otherwise you could end up raising your voice
[61:19]for certain political issues without understanding the history of the issue i
[61:25]know that people like to use fatwa they like to use them
[61:31]as their role models for political activism yeah i can appreciate using
[61:36]them as your role models but those two their wisdom means that
[61:42]they don't really require somebody wise as inside okay whereas i think
[61:50]in our time you don't just follow any political movement or current
[61:54]exactly because you can easily be demonstrating for a cause that you
[62:05]have no understanding of the background of and it does happen um
[62:09]but certainly you know the to be ready to speak out against
[62:14]these prominent personalities yeah um is definitely a book which someone can
[62:21]take a leave from there and now this question says that my
[62:25]name is habib from the dominican republic my question is if someone
[62:30]says to prove that imam salam was chosen by allah as the
[62:35]leader of the ummah how would you do so without referring to
[62:38]hadith i think there's a number of instances where you know from
[62:47]a young age you know where the prophet says whoever accepts me
[62:52]will be the khalifa after me so from the age of war
[62:55]from the age of 13 onwards there's a number of times you
[63:00]know when you look at for example ali you are to me
[63:03]like haroon was to musa except that there is no prophet after
[63:09]me if you look at ayat luilaya yeah when he gives his
[63:14]ring away if you look at in when he is described as
[63:16]the nephs of muhammad allah and if you're the nephews of the
[63:18]rasool there's no one going to be much higher you're the self
[63:22]of the prophet exactly but the most i think the most explicit
[63:25]no doubt radir because you know you could talk about the word
[63:30]mawla all day but when the prophet says yeah am i not
[63:34]the first in authority from amongst you and everyone knew what meant
[63:36]you know i think that that's the most explicit but there are
[63:39]other occasions where he's as we said he is known as the
[63:43]wasri the khalifa he's known to the prophet like harun was to
[63:46]muslims in numerous occasions and um you know i could see that
[63:50]there may be people who have a different opinion with it what
[63:53]doesn't matter for me you know if you can't see haida al-qara's
[63:56]reality you're the one who's got issues uh this next question says
[64:03]my name is laith and i'm from nigeria i hope you're in
[64:09]good health i have a question for saying which is did abu
[64:12]bakr and omar seek forgiveness from baby father after the attack on
[64:16]her i think you could see in um in in non-shia literature
[64:20]that there is an attempt to come to the house and so
[64:25]that's portrayed as them seeking forgiveness there certainly was an attempt to
[64:29]come to the house again and you know to say salaam and
[64:32]but she in shia literature she rejects their salam yeah and she
[64:36]doesn't want to see them and she then says to imam alaihi
[64:41]salaam the house is your house yeah and i have to obey
[64:42]you whatever you decide you can decide they want to come in
[64:45]they could come in but i personally reject awesome uh this next
[64:50]question says just wanted to ask why don't we know the exact
[64:55]date that fatima zara why do we have three different narrations of
[64:59]when we think she passed away we don't even know when her
[65:04]father's born exactly sometimes the wild of her father 17th of rabbi
[65:08]sometimes you hear people saying 12th of rabbi and sometimes the shia
[65:13]i could say 12th and sometimes they could say 17th wasn't really
[65:16]a writing or you know publishing house culture at that time people
[65:20]would remember things orally and certainly if there is a burial which
[65:26]is secret against government orders you're not really going to have um
[65:30]much news which documents all of that necessarily at the time even
[65:37]laylatul qatar i don't know which night it is true and maybe
[65:40]sometimes when fatimatiza is described as layla in the same way that
[65:44]we benefit from three nights of qatar to read to and to
[65:46]gain closeness to allah then three narrations for fatah you can never
[65:50]have enough of a father that was so beautifully put thank you
[65:54]this next question says uh thanks for your lectures these past few
[65:58]days i have a question about imam how did he treat the
[66:02]two the two caliphs after the funeral until their deaths is a
[66:10]class apart he's just on a different league to anyone you want
[66:15]his advice he'll give advice and he looks out for the greater
[66:18]benefit of the religion yeah um and so he he is there
[66:26]if he sees injustice he'll speak out yeah but he does tend
[66:29]to seclude himself 25 years he's not involved and any expansionalism and
[66:35]conquering of other countries that is always mentioned about the first caliphs
[66:38]he's not involved at all major question mark why would the man
[66:44]who had not be involved there but it certainly does advise those
[66:48]who were ruling at the time if they needed his advice uh
[66:52]if it wasn't for ali then i would be perished one person
[66:57]once famously said awesome now this question says did no one of
[67:03]the holy household ever visit the grave of our beloved baby father
[67:09]visit in secret if so was this ever disclosed to the children
[67:16]i.e saying oh they they would visit they knew where it was
[67:20]and they'd visit in secret yeah um but publicly they wouldn't tell
[67:24]anyone but the imams themselves knew yeah thank you so much for
[67:34]this q a so many questions we've got through i do apologize
[67:37]to the dear viewers if we didn't get through to your question
[67:39]insha'allah we'll have another opportunity in the future to get through to
[67:44]them uh but just a personal message from me this would not
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[67:58]their mark and insha allah will intercede for you in the day
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