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[1:20]In the name of God, the most beneficent, the most merciful.
[1:24]All the praise is due to the Lord, master of all the
[1:29]worlds.
[1:28]And peace and blessings be on all his prophets and especially the
[1:35]final prophet, the prophet Muhammad.
[1:38]My respected brothers and sisters, Abu Alib is in hell is the
[1:49]opinion of a great majority of Muslims in the world today.
[1:52]the uncle of the prophet peace be upon him and his family
[1:58]and his backbone especially in the early period of the revelation and
[2:02]the spread of the message of the religion of Islam ends up
[2:08]being called a disbeliever by the majority of the Muslim world.
[2:12]You could go to Morocco or you could go to Saudi Arabia
[2:15]or you could go to Indonesia or indeed you could go to
[2:21]Jordan.
[2:22]And if you were to ask anyone about Abu Talib, you'll see
[2:24]that the majority, and I underlined the majority, say that Abu Talib
[2:29]was a supporter of the prophet peace be upon him and his
[2:34]family.
[2:35]But ultimately, he did not recite the shahada and therefore he burns
[2:38]in hell with his brother Abuhab.
[2:41]Indeed, when you hear this, you find that this seems in one
[2:48]way illogical.
[2:46]How could a man sacrifice so much yet end up being in
[2:52]hell because he didn't utter the phrase in front of everybody of
[2:57]what makes it even more interesting is that some of the enemies
[3:04]of the holy prophet who outlived Abu Talib now have next to
[3:08]their names.
[3:09]Indeed, you find the likes of Abu Sufyan amongst others and his
[3:14]wife Hind died with the words next to their name in Sunni
[3:21]thought.
[3:22]Of course, for us the Shia, we say Abu Talib and again
[3:26]this is a clear point that must be mentioned that when people
[3:32]say Sunnia and Shia are exactly the same.
[3:36]We have huge differences morally.
[3:37]We have huge differences theologically.
[3:41]We have huge differences historically.
[3:43]Yes, the structure of the building to the apparent and indeed to
[3:48]the public seems like we believe in virtually everything together.
[3:51]But the reality is that when one looks at a topic such
[3:57]as this, Abu Talib is he in hell or is he in
[4:00]heaven?
[3:58]Why is it that 300 million Muslims today, tonight, and in the
[4:05]next couple of nights commemorate the death of Abu Talib, the uncle
[4:08]of the prophet peace be upon his family.
[4:10]And why is it that you have the majority of Muslims who
[4:15]will say that this man is a disbeliever?
[4:17]Now, let me make something clear here methodologically, please, before we enter
[4:20]the references.
[4:21]I have no problem with another Muslim who says that Abu Talib
[4:26]is a kafir and Abu Talib burns in hell.
[4:29]That is their reading of Islamic history.
[4:32]They have got their sources and primarily Bkari and Muslim after the
[4:37]Quran shape the future of the theology of the religion of Sunni
[4:45]Islam.
[4:45]The theology of the religion is shaped by Bkari and Muslim.
[4:48]And ultimately like we saw with the seven a we saw with
[4:52]the ayah of Rajim.
[4:54]It is very difficult to throw Bkari and Muslim under the bus.
[4:57]It must be saved or they must be saved for Sunni Islam
[5:02]then has to find another reason somewhere else as to why they
[5:06]believe in what they believe.
[5:06]But if the Sunni Muslim wants to believe that Abu Talib is
[5:13]a disbeliever who burns in hell, I have no issue with that.
[5:17]I may reject that opinion, but I do not reject the idea
[5:20]that there is another sect in Islam that has its reading of
[5:27]the past 1,400 years of Islamic history.
[5:29]But that sect cannot monopolize because there's another sect that has a
[5:34]reading of400 years of history and that is Shia Islam.
[5:39]If Sunni Islam wants to call Abu Talbaf, by all means call
[5:42]him whatever you want to call him.
[5:43]But for the Shia, we also have our reading.
[5:47]And that's why when people always try and tell me that Sunni
[5:52]and Shia, the less they talk about their differences, the closer they
[5:57]get together, I disagree completely.
[5:58]I believe that when you open up the differences and appreciate that
[6:03]each one has their literature, each one has their sources and therefore
[6:06]each one has their reading, then you'll come to the conclusion that
[6:09]there are two readings in Islamic history.
[6:11]And it's up to you to pick which reading you believe gets
[6:14]you closer to the sunnah of which reading brings you closer to
[6:22]the understanding of the pure message of the religion of Islam.
[6:24]So if a person wants to say Abu Talib is a that's
[6:29]your reading but that's not the only reading because there is no
[6:31]way in hell that there is one reading of Islamic history in
[6:34]1400 years that's absolutely impossible even within the Sunni reading there are
[6:39]so many readings today that the Sufi can't stand the Salafi and
[6:44]the Salafi can't stand the Sufi let alone the differences in opinions
[6:48]therefore on the first level I want to bring this methodological issue
[6:52]that we appreciate there are people who have readings that conclude that
[6:56]Abu Talib is a kafir.
[6:59]If you have that reading that Abu Talib is a kafir, likewise,
[7:03]whoever I want to call oraf, you must let me have that
[7:06]reading.
[7:08]You cannot monopolize.
[7:10]You are part of Islamic history and my literature is part of
[7:16]Islamic history.
[7:15]That's number one.
[7:17]Number two, we must also realize that in the Sunni world today,
[7:20]the Sunni scholar graduate of Alzar may have a completely different way
[7:28]of looking at an issue even like this than the Sunni scholar
[7:33]who's graduated say from Medina or the Sunni scholar who has graduated
[7:37]from the Hali school may have a completely different way of looking
[7:42]at things from a Sunni scholar who has graduated from the Sha
[7:46]school.
[7:45]We need to understand that even on the issue of Abu Talib
[7:51]is in hell.
[7:54]There are who differed with the orthodox opinion on this.
[7:57]Someone says but the orthodox opinion you said earlier is shaped by
[8:00]bkari or shaped by Muslim and the hadith which they see as
[8:06]there are who've looked at that and said I'm sorry I have
[8:09]a different reading and I'm not going to be subject to the
[8:14]of IM Bkari and im Muslim why should I be subject to
[8:21]these fallible human beings one from Bkar and one from modern day
[8:24]why am I subject to their reading.
[8:29]They had their reading.
[8:30]They picked certain traditions including the traditions that made them conclude that
[8:35]Abu Talib is a kafir.
[8:36]Do I know whether the conclusions they've reached are because of politics?
[8:41]Are the conclusions that they've reached because of an Abbasid empire and
[8:48]their opposition to the Abu Talib line against the line of Abbas,
[8:52]the uncles of the prophet.
[8:53]Ultimately we cannot generalize and say that all of Sunni Islam believes
[8:59]that Abu Talib is a kafir.
[9:04]There are people who are scholars in the Sunni school who said
[9:07]that when we look at all the attributes of Abu Talib and
[9:13]look at all the accusations against Abu Talib, we cannot conclude that
[9:16]Abu Talib is a kafir.
[9:17]And this is a point that must be made clear.
[9:19]A third point which I will come to later on and that
[9:24]is sometimes the Shia will always rely on Sunni literature if they
[9:29]want to justify a point but there has to come a point
[9:34]where you also use your own literature.
[9:36]The aim when we discuss this month all these topics is not
[9:40]just for us to see what's in Sunni literature and that we'll
[9:43]delve into today to understand why the Sunni world in its majority
[9:50]called Abu Ali and sent him to hell.
[9:52]But also a person has to use Shia literature but the problem
[9:55]is the Shia don't know their own literature.
[9:57]So when the Shia hears they always imagine you're going to only
[10:02]discuss Bkari and Muslim.
[10:04]Yes, they are the building blocks and the foundations of the world
[10:08]of hadith.
[10:10]But likewise, you as a sh ask yourself a question.
[10:12]How many times have you picked up a book like Alfi to
[10:14]see the chapter on the im of Abu Talib I I tell
[10:20]you my dear brothers and sisters there are some who are Shia
[10:23]scholars not just the there are some who are Shia scholars who
[10:29]cannot point to you.
[10:28]Where is the chapter on the im of Abu Talib or the
[10:33]hadiths on the iman of Abu Talib and Alfi?
[10:36]Why?
[10:37]Because even they got so engrossed only in proving things from Sunni
[10:41]literature that they didn't even comprehend or study or open their own
[10:45]literature.
[10:46]Ask your resident Alim wherever you may be.
[10:49]Say to him, Molana, show me the section in Alfi that shows
[10:52]the im of Abu Talib and the discussions concerning the im of
[11:00]Abu Talib.
[10:59]Majority of the Shia residents will also have an issue finding this.
[11:04]Why?
[11:05]Because we've neglected our own literature.
[11:07]Everything that we do has to be justified by Sunni literature.
[11:12]And therefore you could be part of a mosque which for centuries
[11:15]will not open any of the books of hadith or the books
[11:20]of or the books of and only hear lectures in a monologue
[11:22]form without anyone opening the literature for you to understand.
[11:26]Therefore, when we come to the topic of Abu Talib in hell
[11:31]and the majority Sunni opinion that Abu Talib is in hell, you'll
[11:35]see that a number of scholars whether they're in India or in
[11:40]Saudi Arabia straight away anyone who asks them about the prophet's family,
[11:45]they're ready to say that Abu Talib is in hell.
[11:45]Let's play clip number one so that we'll see very clearly how
[11:51]Dr.
[11:51]Zakir Nak, one of the most famous in propagation in the world,
[11:54]straight away gets to the point.
[11:55]Abu Talib is in hell.
[11:59]Please play clip number one.
[12:19]Inshallah protect.
[12:51]Yeah, Dr.
[12:52]Zach, why didn't Chacha of Rasool make it to Jenna?
[12:56]You said he protected him.
[12:58]He looked after him.
[13:00]Why didn't Chacha make it?
[13:00]The reason is Sah Bkari.
[13:01]Come with me over here, please, my dear brothers and sisters.
[13:05]Sah albkari the translation of the meanings of Sahbkari Arabic English volume
[13:12]2 a hadith 876 to 1772 translated by doctor Muhamad Muin Khan
[13:17]all of you can see printed in July 1997 printing supervised by
[13:25]who by Abd Malik Mujah come with me over here to page
[13:32]254 let's see the hadith as to why Sunni Islam in its
[13:36]majority has thrown Abu Talib in hell.
[13:40]Come with me over here.
[13:41]Chapter 80.
[13:44]If al- Mushri saysahill at the time of his death hadith number
[13:49]136, as you know this is narrated from who?
[13:54]from when the time of the death of Abu Talib approached Allah's
[14:01]messenger went to him and found Abu Jahal bin Hij and of
[14:06]course who was always with Abu Jahal Abdahi the son of Abi
[14:11]Muira by his side Allah's messenger said to Abu Talib oh uncle
[14:21]sayahill sayahill uncle a sentence with which I shall be a witness
[14:27]for you before Allah.
[14:27]Abu Jahal and Abdullah the son of Abi Omaya said, "Oh Abu
[14:34]Talib, are you going to denounce the religion of Abd Muttalib?" Allah's
[14:40]messenger kept on inviting Abu Talib to sayahillahillah while they Abu Jahal
[14:48]and Abdah kept on repeating their statement till Abu Talib said as
[14:53]his last statement that he was on the religion of Abdalib on
[14:59]the religion of Abd Mutalib I'll come back to that very shortly
[15:02]come back on the religion of Abd Mutalib and refused to sayahillahill
[15:06]then Allah's messenger said I will keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for
[15:14]you.
[15:11]Unless I am forbidden by Allah to do so.
[15:16]So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala revealed the verse concerning him.
[15:21]It is not fitting for the prophet and those who believe to
[15:25]ask Allah's forgiveness for the mush.
[15:29]Even though they be of what?
[15:34]Of kin.
[15:33]after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers
[15:40]of the fire.
[15:40]Chapter 9 verse 113.
[15:45]Now this hadith in Bkari is normally the hadith that is seen
[15:51]as the basis of the belief that Abu Talib is in hell.
[15:57]Okay.
[15:56]So this hadith when we look at it it's very interesting in
[16:00]the sense that they're telling him are you going to leave the
[16:04]path of Abdalib know one thing that we the are the only
[16:11]Muslims in the majority who say that the father of Allah sallallahu
[16:16]alaihi is in heaven and the grandfather is in heaven and the
[16:22]mother is in heaven and the uncle is in heaven and the
[16:25]grandfather's Fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers.
[16:32]They are all people of one God.
[16:34]As we say in our we believe that there is a line
[16:54]of purity, a line of the light of Ibraimis.
[16:55]Sunni Muslims you'll see that on the whole not all majority believe
[17:05]Abu Talib hell I'm in a hell abdah hell prophet's parents hell
[17:09]prophet's uncle hell here they are saying to him denounce the religion
[17:12]of abdu for me as a sh that's perfectly fine that he
[17:15]doesn't denounce abd mutalib's religion because abd mutalib the man whose gave
[17:20]meaning to the man who said to him listen just give me
[17:25]my flock back the lord of that house will look after it
[17:31]from your elephant that Abdalib to me is the very meaning ofahallah
[17:34]walking therefore if Abu Talib doesn't denounce the religion of Abdalib to
[17:40]me as a that is the biggest proof that Abu Talib was
[17:44]a on the path if I'm going to give him the lowest
[17:49]attribute because I believe he's much higher but that's a proof for
[17:52]me in the belief that Abu Talib is on the path of
[17:57]Abd Muttalib who are all the custodians of the message of Ibraimisam
[18:01]let alone the custodians of the Kaa in their position of Hashim.
[18:09]So for us when a person normally says that Abu Talib is
[18:12]in hell in the Sunni world like Zak has said normally they
[18:18]use this hadith.
[18:18]Interesting at the end of this hadith that the prophet kept on
[18:24]trying and says that I'm going to keep asking Allah subhana wa
[18:27]ta'ala to forgive you to forgive you to forgive you and then
[18:30]God suddenly reveals Surah 9 verse 113.
[18:35]What does surah 9 verse 113 say?
[18:39]My dear brothers and sisters, let's go over here.
[18:43]Join me as we go to surah 9 verse 113.
[18:47]All of you can see very clearly over here in the verse
[18:53]at the bottom here.
[18:54]If we can zoom in, it is not for the messenger of
[19:11]Allah, the prophet of Allah and those who believe to seek forgiveness
[19:15]for the idolattors even though they may be near of kin to
[19:18]them after it has been declared clearly unto them that they are
[19:20]the inmates of the flaming hellfire.
[19:22]Which surah?
[19:24]Look at the top here.
[19:28]This is known as surah dissociation.
[19:31]Now this surah surah 9 is they say that this ayah 113
[19:38]over here is about Abu Talib.
[19:40]It's not fitting that the prophet peace be upon him and his
[19:45]family prays for his uncle Abu Talib.
[19:48]It doesn't matter if Abu Talib is the nearest kin.
[19:53]It doesn't matter at all.
[19:53]And the reason being that at the end of the day he's
[19:58]a disbeliever.
[19:57]He's a polytheist.
[20:00]It's of no use whatsoever.
[20:02]If it's surah or some called it later on surah to surah
[20:06]9.
[20:06]It is the only surah that does not begin withman.
[20:11]Every Muslim knows the word is mentioned or the verse is mentioned
[20:16]114 times in the Quran.
[20:19]113 at the beginning of every surah and once in the story
[20:22]of Nebulan and the queen of Sheba.
[20:24]Now when we see over here surah surah 9 surah Toba we
[20:30]all know that surah Toba was one of the last chapters of
[20:35]the Quran to be revealed.
[20:35]If anyone tells you what are the last chapters of the Quran
[20:39]then always the last chapters of the Quran we all know are
[20:45]some verses of Bakar Mah and Toba Abu Talib died three years
[20:52]before the hijra of the prophet peace be upon him and his
[20:57]family why would a verse come down about Abu Talib 13 years
[21:01]after he dies today I'm asking forgiveness for my uncle and then
[21:06]13 years later I'm told by the way you were asking for
[21:10]forgiveness we just want to tell you 13 years later you can't
[21:13]the person will look and say well you know what uh my
[21:15]uncle died like 13 years ago Toba was revealed at the end
[21:19]of the message of the prophet when he sent Abu Bakr to
[21:21]go and reveal it to the people of Mecca in the middle
[21:26]of his journey Allah told him either you go or someone like
[21:28]you sent Im Ali Imam Ali went to the people of Mecca
[21:32]and revealed the surah we all know So therefore when you even
[21:37]say surah 9 vers13 is about him.
[21:41]Well surah 9 verse whatever is all late surah of the Quran.
[21:48]Abu Talib died before hijra not during the medina period.
[21:51]So therefore when someone tells me this and says that look it
[21:58]says surah 9 vers113 I put this aside.
[22:00]Come again with me in Sah Muslim Bkari and Muslim both want
[22:02]to put Abu Talib in hell.
[22:05]Join me over here.
[22:06]Sah Muslim please.
[22:06]Compiled by im Abu Hussein Muslim volume number one.
[22:10]Hadith number one to 1160.
[22:15]A hadith and edited.
[22:16]Referenced by Abar Ali translated by Kat.
[22:20]Final review by who?
[22:21]By Abu Khalil.
[22:24]First edition June 2007.
[22:25]supervised by Abdul Malik Mujah.
[22:28]Come with me over here.
[22:32]My dear brothers and sisters, Sah Muslim page 119.
[22:35]You will see very clearly my dear brothers and sisters over here.
[22:42]Again, this hadith chapter n evidence that the Islam of one who
[22:46]becomes Muslim on his deathbed is valid so long as the death
[22:49]throws have not begun.
[22:52]abrogation of permission to supplicate for forgiveness for the idolattors.
[22:56]Evidence that one who dies an idoltor is one of the people
[22:58]of hell and no intervention can save him from that.
[23:02]Of course, it's Ali's dad.
[23:03]So, we have to find a way to come after him.
[23:06]We all know this story and this narrative.
[23:09]Don't you worry.
[23:11]Come back.
[23:10]Hadith 1323924 narrated that his father said when Abuib was dying the
[23:18]messenger of Allah came to him and found Abu Jah and Abdahb
[23:22]with him.
[23:23]The messenger of Allah said oh uncle sayahill theahill for those who
[23:31]say their blood is what their blood is and their wealth are
[23:36]protected from me.
[23:39]Now understand this that when he was saying this sayahillah at this
[23:43]moment what do we see here a word for which I will
[23:48]testify for you before Allah Abu Jahal and Abdah said oh Abu
[23:50]Talib will you turn away from the religion of Abdalib the messenger
[23:54]of Allah kept calling him to Islam and he repeated this statement
[23:56]to him until the last words that Abu Talib spoke indicated what
[24:02]indicated that very important statement here he followed the religion of Abd
[24:08]Muttalib and he refused to sayallah if I follow the religion of
[24:10]abductib why do I need to say only a convert needs to
[24:14]say his shahada if you're born as a Muslim on the path
[24:16]of Islam you don't need to say the shahada the convert needs
[24:19]to say when they're converting come back the messenger of Allah said
[24:22]by Allah I shall pray for forgiveness for you so long as
[24:24]I'm not forbidden then Allah revealed this particular ayah as we saw
[24:30]earlier my dear brothers and sisters so when you see this you
[24:33]see very clearly that the idea was given that the Quran also
[24:39]came down against Abu Talib.
[24:40]Surah 9 verse 113.
[24:40]Many said that it was the verse that condemned Abu Talib.
[24:45]We said that this verse is at the end of surah Toba.
[24:47]Surah Toba is a surah which is Medina and the last of
[24:52]the Medina suras.
[24:53]So when we look at this argument that is number one.
[24:55]Then you see over here in the sun of Ib Maj again
[25:00]another attack to try and show that Abu Talib is definitely a
[25:02]kafir.
[25:03]In the surah of Ib Maja, come over here.
[25:06]The sixth correct tradition of the prophetic sunnah translated by Muhammad Medi
[25:11]Sharif English Arabic text volume 3.
[25:14]All of you come over here you'll see year 2008 printed in
[25:18]Lebanon edition being the first edition.
[25:20]If we go over here to around page 64 of the Sunn
[25:25]of Ib Maja, you'll see over here my dear brothers and sisters
[25:28]hadith 2730.
[25:30]Now the chapter is the heritage of Muslims from the pagans.
[25:34]Allah Allah Allah the heritage of the Muslims from the pagans.
[25:41]What happens in inheritance if you're a Muslim from a pagan who
[25:45]is the first pagan we want to attack?
[25:48]Not Abu Sufyan.
[25:47]Baba Abu Sufyan became the best Muslim.
[25:50]Doesn't matter how much bloodshed.
[25:52]Doesn't matter that his wife enjoyed eating body parts.
[25:56]Doesn't matter.
[25:57]Leave that all aside at the end.
[25:58]Yes.
[25:59]Now come back here.
[26:01]The heritage of Muslims from the pagans had 2730.
[26:05]It's narrated on the authority of us that he asked the messenger
[26:08]of Allah.
[26:09]Allah's blessings and peace be upon him.
[26:11]Oh messenger of Allah, are you going to descend at your dwelling
[26:15]place in Mecca?
[26:15]The messenger of Allah peace be upon him said has left any
[26:20]houses or homes for us to descend in them.
[26:23]Both and Talib inherited the property of Abu Talib on the o
[26:27]on the exclusion of Jaffar and Ali for both were Muslims while
[26:33]and Talib were pagans.
[26:33]For this reason Omar say no believer should inherit the property of
[26:36]an infidol told that the messenger of Allah sallallahu alaihi wasall said
[26:42]no Muslim should inherit the property of an infidel nor should an
[26:47]infidol inherit the property of a Muslim.
[26:49]So Abu Talib is the pagan infidol.
[26:51]He is the one who the Quran came down and the Quran
[26:56]wanted to come down and attack.
[26:58]Normally when they say the Quran attacked Abu Talib normally either it's
[27:02]surah 9 verse 113 or it's surah 28 verse56.
[27:06]Surah 28:56 is the verse which normally you will always hear is
[27:12]associated with the attack on Abu Talib.
[27:14]If you look at surah 28, all of you know very well
[27:16]surah kas.
[27:18]Surah 28 verse number 56 very famous ayah over here.
[27:23]If we play clip number two, you'll see that this ayah is
[27:26]always used as the one to say that Abu Talib there's no
[27:31]chance that he's going to be anywhere but hell.
[27:35]Please play clip number two.
[27:38]Of his people, he wanted goodness for all of humanity.
[27:45]Yet sallallah.aihi wasallam he would still have this human emotion of sorrow
[27:58]and grief.
[27:56]Imagine his beloved uncle Abu Talib who took care of him for
[28:07]over 40 years shielded him, protected him, gave him a safe haven
[28:12]and prevented the idol worshippers from attacking him.
[28:17]The prophet relentlessly wasam tried his level best that he accepts Islam
[28:25]but it was Allah's will when he died he was grieved by
[28:34]it.
[28:35]Allah the Almighty comforted him by saying indeed oh Muhammad you do
[28:41]not guide whom you like but Allah guides whom he wills.
[28:49]Full stop.
[28:47]End of sorrow and grief.
[28:51]Yes I love my uncle but if this is the will of
[28:52]Allah there's nothing I could do.
[28:57]I love my uncle but if this is the will of Allah
[29:00]what can I do?
[29:02]You cannot guide those who you love rather Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
[29:06]guides who he wants only on Abu Talib nobody else did not
[29:11]want to guide every person no only Abu Talib is the one
[29:16]he wants to guide and Allah said no let's see what hadith
[29:20]sayith over here what does it say if you come my dear
[29:22]brothers and sisters the eye of the Quran very clearly over here
[29:29]join me over here in you'll seeman all of you can see
[29:41]over here my dear brothers and sisters that verily you cannot guide
[29:45]who you like.
[29:48]God guides who he likes.
[29:48]Now if I look in the according to look over here journey
[29:55]through the Quran all of you can see the content and the
[29:57]context of the suras of the Quran.
[30:02]Okay.
[30:04]Okay.
[30:05]The renowned scholar.
[30:08]You come over here.
[30:09]Where is it?
[30:10]A bridged by Abduli.
[30:12]Come with me to surah 28 verse number 56.
[30:15]Let's see what he says over here.
[30:17]Now look over here.
[30:20]My dear brothers and sisters.
[30:21]The messenger was distressed by this.
[30:23]Okay.
[30:24]West Asia and North Africa were full of people of the book
[30:29]during the time of Roman rule.
[30:30]The vast majority of them entered Islam after learning of it and
[30:33]were convinced of its truth.
[30:34]But the prophet's own people rejected it first and declared war on
[30:38]the new dean.
[30:41]The messenger was distressed by this.
[30:43]But Allah told him, "You cannot guide those you love.
[30:47]Rather, Allah guides those who he wills." It is said that this
[30:52]ayah was revealed about Abu Talib whom the prophet strongly wanted to
[30:57]become Muslim.
[30:56]Abu Talib knew that his nephew was truthful, but his fear of
[31:03]tribal disapproval stopped him from becoming Muslim.
[31:05]Let's see what he said.
[31:09]My dear brothers and sisters, come with me.
[31:12]I know that the religion of Muhammad is the best religion for
[31:16]mankind.
[31:17]Were it not for sensual fear of abuse, you would have seen
[31:21]me openly embrace it.
[31:25]Now when someone says that I know that the religion of Muhammad
[31:32]sallallahu alaihi wasall the best religion for mankind that person is definitely
[31:38]a believer but sometimes even a believer has to conceal their faith
[31:42]because of danger to themselves or those close to them.
[31:47]Don't you all remember in the first session that we had on
[31:50]the first session that we had on I mentioned a believer known
[31:56]as Mumin Alon he was the believer from the people of Pharaoh
[31:59]in surah 40 of the Quran come with me over here surah
[32:04]40 of the Quran verse number 28 that believer from the people
[32:07]of Pharaoh he was a mmin he knew Moses was on the
[32:12]right path come with me over said, "A man who was a
[32:21]believer from amongst the people of Pharaoh who used to conceal his
[32:26]faith." What's interesting is that when you continue the ayah, listen to
[32:31]what he says to the people.
[32:32]Even though he's concealing his faith, remember he's concealing his faith.
[32:35]But he used to say something to the people.
[32:39]What would he say?
[32:55]This is very interesting.
[32:58]The Quran says that the of concealed his faith.
[33:01]If he concealed his faith, why is he presenting an argument that
[33:04]if the man's truthful, he's truthful?
[33:05]And if he's a liar, he's a liar.
[33:08]What's wrong with you guys?
[33:08]Why does he talk like that?
[33:13]He's not publicly saying, "I follow Moses." But he's coming with a
[33:17]rationale of someone who follows Moses and is trying to protect Moses.
[33:20]If Moses is saying the truth, it's okay.
[33:23]And if he's a liar, he's a liar.
[33:24]He's going to have to be punished for being a liar.
[33:27]But what's wrong with you guys?
[33:29]Why do you want to kill Moses?
[33:29]Abu Talib is the m of al in the time of wall.
[33:35]He take it from me.
[33:38]You want to see the m of al or the m of
[33:42]alien whether it's orb you will find that the mmin of the
[33:46]time of the prophet is Abu Talib who concealed his faith.
[33:49]Why Abu Talib knew he's the middleman between the Quraysh and between
[33:54]who and between the prophet peace be upon his family.
[33:58]Abu Talib knew that everyone respected him and trusted him to the
[34:02]extent that when came out to fight Im Ali Alisam Im Ali
[34:06]he asked Im Ali what's your name he said Ali son of
[34:08]Abu Talib and he said to him I will not kill you
[34:12]because your father's a friend of mine Abu Talib had such a
[34:17]strong position in Arabian society that when someone asked him what was
[34:20]he doing what was the M al Far doing why is it
[34:23]why is it Mr.
[34:23]Abkari and Muslim.
[34:25]I ask you BOTH QUESTIONS THAT WHY is it when it comes
[34:27]to the M of you have no issue.
[34:31]But why Abu Talib has to suddenly start holding a party for
[34:34]celebration for his im.
[34:37]What's the difference between the two?
[34:38]Abu Talib looked after the religion and looked after the prophet of
[34:44]the religion.
[34:43]This ayah that they always quoted this ayah you cannot guide who
[34:55]you want to guide rather Allahh guides who he wants to guide
[35:00]this men is men it's universal it's not just applying to Abu
[35:05]Albam this is a universal men you cannot universally guide whoever you
[35:11]want rather Allah guides who he wants So therefore when a person
[35:17]comes and says this is all about Abu Talib it's not about
[35:19]Abu Talib and that's why when you look at the next clip
[35:22]clip number three you'll see my dear brothers and sisters that Hamza
[35:25]Ysef comes forth and says that we're not going to reach a
[35:27]conclusion that Abu Taliban no my scholars even were saying that we
[35:33]need to pause at a certain juncture because of the weight of
[35:36]the evidence not just about Abu Talib but the fact that in
[35:39]previous nations there were similar Abu Talibs and we did not condemn
[35:46]them to hell.
[35:44]Please play clip number three.
[35:49]not uh and I asked you know Abdah about Abdalib because when
[35:55]you read Abdul Muttalib's sorry uh Abu Talib who's the uncle of
[35:59]the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam the brother of Abd when you read
[36:03]about Abu Talib it's just it's amazing what he did for the
[36:10]prophet sallall alaihi wasallam and he his love for the prophet he
[36:15]stood by the prophet he you know and some of the say
[36:18]that he was Muslim uh one of the great Mortanian scholars wrote
[36:23]a book arguing that he was there is a tradition that says
[36:28]Al Abbas heard him say the shahada on the deathbed but the
[36:31]prophet didn't hear it so the prophet said I didn't hear him
[36:36]so he he couldn't testify for two witnesses that he was Muslim
[36:41]um the hadith in Muslim it's in the that heap that he's
[36:47]the least of people punished Um that'sith and the our belief is
[36:57]not something that you can establish with solitary nar narrations which is
[37:02]very important to understand this and the uh you know in the
[37:10]Salafi tradition they do establish with and that's why they they have
[37:14]a lot of points of dissension with the and these are issues
[37:17]Jews.
[37:17]Now, part of the problem is is that when you have people
[37:20]that don't accept, then it's you there's no dialogue.
[37:26]There's no debate about it.
[37:30]But we our our tradition demands that we accept.
[37:34]If there's a about an issue, then you can't say this or
[37:39]that.
[37:40]It's not.
[37:38]So, I asked Abdah.
[37:42]He just said he's for him.
[37:43]I don't want to say either or but his position is do
[37:49]not establish and to say somebody's in hell is you know with
[37:52]any certainty is very dangerous.
[37:56]So to say was in hell is just something Muslims should not
[38:00]even if the hadith is it's it's a aith and it's a
[38:07]matter of and so you know be very careful about these things
[38:11]because um Allah says that the prophet loved Abu Talib.
[38:18]The prophet sallall alaihi wasallam loved Abu Talib.
[38:21]That that ayah came down about Abu Talib that you do not
[38:24]guide who you love.
[38:27]Allah guides whomever he pleases.
[38:32]So you know the best position is Allah but and people that
[38:36]say the prophet's parents are in the fire.
[38:38]I mean Bakr said people should be whipped that do that.
[38:41]That was his opinion.
[38:45]And you can have there's aith which is your father and my
[38:51]father are in the fire.
[38:52]That's a sound hadith.
[38:55]Again, it's a hadith first and foremost.
[38:57]And second, what did the prophet mean by his father?
[38:58]He could have meant his uncle.
[39:03]Abu Abu Jah Abuahab because the Arabs say father for uncle.
[39:08]uh Abu Talib when when Bahira asked the the the uh Abu
[39:14]T the who uh who's his father he said Anna he said
[39:20]Abu he said Anna I I'm his father and he said it
[39:24]it doesn't seem that his father should be alive he said I'm
[39:26]his uncle but he wasn't lying when he said his that he
[39:30]was his father because the Arabs called the uncle the father so
[39:33]th those type things are you know they're just better left alone.
[39:39]But our belief is that the prophet's parents are saved.
[39:42]That's the dominant opinion that they're saved.
[39:46]Um they're people of fat, the between messengers and and they didn't.
[39:50]And then there's a weak hadith uh that mentions that Allah actually
[39:57]when the prophet visited he was allowed to visit his mother and
[40:00]that Allah actually uh raised them from the dead and they believed
[40:03]him.
[40:03]It's a weak hadith but he he says you know that he
[40:08]doesn't have a problem believing it.
[40:09]So again it's and so you can't establish anything with it.
[40:16]That's the dominant poor Hamza tried his hardest to say that Abu
[40:21]Talib is a believer and then has to go back forth gymnastics
[40:25]and so on.
[40:26]And I really do hope the prophet's parents are in heaven.
[40:28]You know it's absurd to think that the prophet's parents are in
[40:31]hell.
[40:32]Absolutely absurd.
[40:33]But as I said, if someone wants to think that, that is
[40:35]their reading.
[40:36]And we have to accept that there are other readings in Islamic
[40:39]history.
[40:39]But as a Shia, I'm super proud to say that my prophet's
[40:43]parents are definitely in heaven.
[40:44]Come with me over here.
[40:46]He mentioned something interesting.
[40:47]So because Abu Talib wasn't as bad as Abu Jah, so he
[40:53]doesn't burn as much in hell.
[40:54]Okay?
[40:54]So the toaster of hell, there's a different crispiness level for each
[41:00]uh piece that emerges from there.
[41:02]If you come over here, Sah Muslim, my dear brothers and sisters,
[41:06]volume one of Sah Muslim, come with me to page 340, the
[41:11]book of faith, chapter 90, the intercession of the prophet for Abu
[41:15]Talib and the reduction of his punishment as a result.
[41:22]510357209.
[41:21]It was narrated from Abbas Abdalib that he said, "Oh messenger of
[41:27]Allah, have you benefit Abu Talib in some way for he used
[41:29]to defend you and get angry for your sake?" He the messenger
[41:35]of Allah said, "Yes, he is in the shallowest part of the
[41:38]fire.
[41:39]Were it not for me, he would be in the deepest part
[41:44]of the fire." So Abu Talib is in the shallow end of
[41:48]the uh hot swimming pool.
[41:53]Okay, there's a deep end and that is Abu Leah.
[41:56]Abu Suban's in Jenna by the way.
[41:57]Okay, let's clock that one.
[41:58]Muawa made it to Jenna as well.
[42:00]It doesn't matter who he's killed.
[42:01]HE'S IN JENNA.
[42:02]BUT Abu Talib who was happy for the sake of the prophet
[42:04]and angry for the sake of prophet is in the shallow end
[42:08]of the swimming pool of Jenna.
[42:09]Allah so nice, very kind of you to put him in the
[42:14]shallow end of uh hellfire of Jahannam.
[42:16]Now there's something very interesting here.
[42:19]The prophet says, "I'll intercede for my um" The prophet says, "We'll
[42:23]intercede for my um I'll be there for my um um how
[42:25]about your uncle who gave you that valley when you are in
[42:29]trouble when sanctions were all over you.
[42:31]Thank God the Shia are around to protect Abu Talib.
[42:34]Thank God.
[42:35]Thank God we're around to protect the of Allah not love those
[42:40]who butchered them." And that's why when you look in the books
[42:42]even Bkari himself inadvertently whether he realizes or doesn't shows you in
[42:48]one incident the righteousness of Abu Talib himself.
[42:52]Come with me over here you'll see where Bkari discusses the righteousness
[42:55]of Abu Talib in one instance how people used to see him
[42:57]as a just man.
[42:59]What is at the end salvation is for who?
[43:01]For the just for the pious for those who loved for the
[43:02]sake of Allah and hated for the sake of su who protected.
[43:08]If today you protect the sunnah and people say mih he is
[43:14]the one who protects the sunnah then how about the one who
[43:18]protected the master of the sunnah hell shallow part of the swimming
[43:21]pool of hell now come with me over here bkari everyone come
[43:23]here the translations of the meaning of sah alb bkari Arabic English
[43:28]volume 4 hadith 2338 until 3848 there's this really lovely incident about
[43:34]the justice of Abu Talib alisam over here.
[43:39]Actually, I think it's a it's a volume five hadith and I
[43:44]don't know.
[43:43]Have I put Yeah, it's a volume 5 hadith.
[43:45]Let's go to volume five.
[43:48]Say Bkari.
[43:47]Hadith 3845.
[43:49]Yes.
[43:50]Hadith 3845.
[43:52]My dear brothers and sisters, look over here at this hadith.
[43:55]In this hadith, someone seeking justice for being oppressed.
[43:59]There's no one else you'll go to Abu Talib when you're seeking
[44:02]justice.
[44:02]Look over here.
[44:05]The merits of the come over here chapter which you could see
[44:09]is the chapter of the period of Ib Abbas narrates the first
[44:14]event of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance okay um was of course
[44:19]as you know kasama means the oath taken by some people concerning
[44:23]the accusation of killing somebody okay come with me over here the
[44:26]first event of kasama in the pre-Islamic period of ignorance was practiced
[44:30]by us Abu by us Benash Hashim.
[44:34]A man from Benu Hashim was employed by a Qureshi man from
[44:38]another branch of the family.
[44:38]The Hashimi laborer set out with the Qureshi driving his camels.
[44:44]There passed by him another man from Benu Hashim.
[44:45]The leather rope of the latter's bag had broken.
[44:49]So he said to the laborer, "Will you help me by giving
[44:52]me a rope in order to tie the handle of my bag,
[44:53]lest the camel should run away from me?" The laborer gave him
[44:58]a rope, and the latter tied his bag with it.
[45:01]When the caravan halted, all the camels legs were tied with their
[45:04]fetas except one camel.
[45:04]The employer asked the labor, "Why from amongst all the camels has
[45:08]this camel not been feted?" He replied, "There's no feta for it."
[45:14]The asked, "Where is its feta?" and hit the labor with a
[45:16]stick that caused his death.
[45:17]Later on, just before his death, a man from Yemen passed him,
[45:21]passed by him.
[45:22]The labor asked him, "Will you go for the pilgrimage?" He replied,
[45:25]"I do not think I will attend it, but perhaps I will
[45:28]attend it." The Hashimi Laborra said, "Will you please convey a message
[45:34]for me once in your life?" The other man said, "Yes." The
[45:38]labor wrote, "When you intend the pilgrimage, call the family of Quraysh,
[45:41]and if they respond to you, call the family of Bani Hashim.
[45:43]And if they respond to you, ask about Abu Talib and tell
[45:47]him that so- and so has killed me for a feta." Then
[45:49]the laborer expired.
[45:52]When the employer reached Abu Talib Mecca, Abu Talib visited him and
[45:56]asked him, "What has happened to our companion?" He said he became
[45:58]ill and I looked after him nicely but he died and I
[46:02]buried him.
[46:03]Then said the deceased deserved this from you.
[46:04]After some time the messenger whom the labor had asked to convey
[46:08]the message reached Mecca during the pilgrimage season he called oh the
[46:12]family of Quraysh.
[46:12]The people replied this is Quraysh.
[46:13]Then he called oh the family of Ben Hashim.
[46:16]Again the people replied this is Beni Hashim.
[46:18]He asked who is Abu Talib?
[46:19]The people replied this is Abu Talib.
[46:21]He said so and so has asked me to convey a message
[46:24]to you that so and so has killed him for a fetto
[46:26]of a camel.
[46:26]Then Abu Talib went to the Quraysh killer and said to him,
[46:30]"Choose one of three alternatives.
[46:30]If you wish, give us 100 camels because you have murdered our
[46:34]companion.
[46:34]Or if you wish 50 of your men should take an oath
[46:38]that you have not murdered our companion and if you do not
[46:39]accept this, we will kill you." And the killer went to his
[46:43]people and they said, "We will take an oath." Then a woman
[46:44]from the benu hashim who was married to one of the qures
[46:47]and had given birth to a child from him came to Abu
[46:51]Talib and said oh Abu Talib I wish that my son from
[46:52]amongst the 50 men should be excused from this oath and that
[46:55]he should not take the oath when the oath taking is carried
[46:58]on.
[46:59]Abu Talib excused him.
[47:00]Then another man from them came to Abu and said oh Talib
[47:03]you want 50 persons to take an oath instead of giving 100
[47:06]camels and that means each man has to give two camels.
[47:09]So there are two camels I would like you to accept from
[47:11]me and excuse me from taking an oath when the oaths are
[47:15]taken.
[47:15]Abu Talib accepted this from him.
[47:16]Then 48 men came and took an oath.
[47:18]By him in whose hands my soul is before the end of
[47:22]that year, none of those 48 persons remained alive.
[47:23]Look where they went when it came to justice, they'd go to
[47:27]Abu Talib.
[47:28]And that's why it's not surprising that Imam Ali was the voice
[47:31]of human justice.
[47:33]Then you see how in one of the most famous works of
[47:35]Islamic history, Abu Talib upon finding out that Imam Ali had become
[47:38]Muslim makes something clear to Imam Ali.
[47:41]am upon finding out of course in Sunni literature that he's become
[47:46]a Muslim of course we believe Ali was born on Islam but
[47:50]come over here to ali of course all of you know the
[47:57]famous Ib this one over here I want all of us to
[48:00]look at this my dear brothers and sisters very important narration over
[48:04]here this is the first edition as I mentioned earlier I want
[48:10]us to go to this particular narration over Here this particular section
[48:14]is talking about who the first was that came towards Islam and
[48:18]then it talked about the companions and their coming to Islam.
[48:24]Over here it says my dear brothers and sisters im Ali became
[48:30]Muslim before Ali used to conceal his faith out of fear from
[48:41]his father.
[48:42]until he found his father and his father asked him, "Have you
[48:48]become Muslim?" What does he reply to him when he tells him,
[48:51]"Have you become Muslim?" He says to him, "Yes." What's the reply?
[48:56]Is he going to hit him?
[48:57]Is he going to smack him?
[48:57]Is he unhappy?
[48:59]Listen to what he says.
[49:02]One surah he said to him that help your cousin and support
[49:14]him.
[49:11]Help your cousin and support him.
[49:19]Help your cousin and support him.
[49:22]Wiser be the support to your cousin.
[49:23]Be the helper to your cousin.
[49:27]Be the backbone to your cousin.
[49:28]I'm a father.
[49:28]My son has joined a new movement I don't agree with.
[49:31]Why would I tell him go and be a backbone and help
[49:35]him?
[49:39]For what reason would Abu Talib say?
[49:44]Imagine over here very clear when Abu Talib is saying these lines.
[49:52]For what reason would Abu Talib be saying these lines?
[49:55]My dear brothers and sisters, except that Abu Talib was making it
[49:59]very clear in front of everybody when he wanted to say why
[50:06]is he was making clear with this line when he says very
[50:10]clearly is very important that he's making clear that this cousin of
[50:18]yours you must be his backbone and he was always his backbone
[50:24]and that's why in Alfi Very clear are the hadiths on the
[50:28]im of Abu Talib doesn't have to always rely on what the
[50:34]Sunni literature is saying himself can look in al kafia over here
[50:41]volume one of al kafia as you can all see Arabic English
[50:45]bilingual translation ali volume one all of you can come here my
[50:51]dear brothers and sisters Name al kafi as you can see year
[50:59]2024 jaffuri propagation center Mumbai all of you come with me to
[51:03]this area on page 770 of volume one of al kafi and
[51:09]you will see very clearly my dear brothers and sisters the number
[51:13]of hadiths we have hadith number 28 here on the section at
[51:16]the top here the book about the people who possess divine authority
[51:22]come with me over here hadith number 28 as we have this
[51:26]hadith from Imam.
[51:27]What does Im say the case of is like the case of
[51:48]the people of the cave who hid their belief and expressed polytheism.
[51:51]Allah gave them twice the reward.
[51:54]Then again, hadith number 29, look at this hadith over here.
[51:59]What does it say to who?
[52:02]This was said to of course I im hadith over here my
[52:13]dear brothers and sisters when they come forward and they say what
[52:17]they say forward very clearly.
[52:19]Imagine they think that Abu Talib was an unbeliever.
[52:45]They speak lies.
[52:47]How could he be an unbeliever when he said such words as
[52:49]follows?
[52:50]Do they not know that we found Muhammad as a prophet like
[52:52]Moses whose name is written in the ancient books?
[52:57]How clear is that?
[52:59]Imagine how clear.
[53:01]And there are many other hadiths about the im of Abu Talib.
[53:05]And I think my dear brothers and sisters that because the Shia
[53:10]kept on defending the iman of Abu Talim and because of the
[53:12]number of narrations that clearly indicated and expressed that the man was
[53:16]the biggest support of the holy prophet eventually you found Sunni scholars
[53:21]in the last 10-15 years blatantly coming out and saying that I
[53:24]don't care what anyone says anymore.
[53:25]A thousand years ago we may have said that this man's a
[53:27]kafir or a mushri.
[53:30]I say he's a mmin.
[53:29]Please play clip number four.
[53:58]Muslim kid.
[54:02]Yeah.
[54:13]Islam, guys.
[54:29]Muslim.
[54:58]for an office.
[55:45]Muslim.
[56:23]There's some progress there in saying that he's got iman internally and
[56:29]that eventually he'll make it to heaven.
[56:29]That's their opinion.
[56:31]At least it's changed from him being in the shallow end.
[56:33]At the end for us, Abu Talib is the backbone of Islam
[56:37]and we'll continue to defend him forever until our last breath.
[56:40]May Allah bless all of you and may Allah give us the
[56:47]intercession of Abu Talib on the day of judgment.
[56:51]Hey, hey, hey.
[57:25]Oh, hold on.
[57:37]I wouldn't want it.
[57:59]We're here at the Imm Hussein Charity Orphanage.
[58:03]We're here to meet very special children today.
[58:06]Let's learn from them.
[58:10]Oh, >> you want it?
[58:21]It's yours.
[58:21]Take anything you like.
[58:24]Who wants this one?
[58:27]>> She wants it.
[58:29]Oh, okay.
[58:31]Mashallah.
[58:31]You want this?
[58:32]Okay.
[58:33]Today with Imam Hussein charity, we brought a few gifts.
[58:39]There's so much to learn from these children.
[58:42]I wish some of you would take another step and help these
[58:45]kids.
[58:46]They just need support.
[58:46]They need love and compassion.
[58:49]Remember the words of Imam Aliatam that after me take care of
[58:56]the orphans.
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