23- (2) Islamic Beliefs - Can Shura Be Basis for Imamate? - Sayed Mohammad Baqer Qazwini

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[0:00]audhu billahi min as-shaytan ar-rajim bismillah r-rahman r-rahim al-hamdu lillahi rabbil alameen

[0:09]wa sallahu allah sayidina muhammadin wa ala nabina Paran vamos Allah Allah

[0:17]Muhammad Ali Mohammed Salam alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh we continue our examination of

[0:30]the fourth pillar of religion the 4th US of a solid Deen

[0:35]which is the discussion on imama the belief in the successorship after

[0:41]the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa we examined previously the conditions of an

[0:50]imam in sunni discourse and theology how does a person become an

[1:00]imam we examine that now we will examine a mama in shia

[1:04]beliefs according to the path of a debate what are the conditions

[1:11]for an imam how does a person become an imam to begin

[1:16]with what is the role of the imam these are very significant

[1:21]discussions that have to do with the core of our faith so

[1:28]it is very important for us to discuss this in depth and

[1:32]in detail according to Shia a theology a mama is not a

[1:41]secondary issue like we see in sunni beliefs it is in fact

[1:44]part of religion part of Deen it's part of a sueded Deen

[1:49]not part of furrow at Deen the branches of faith as we

[1:51]examined last week a mama is exactly like the position of prophethood

[2:02]with the only difference that the Imam does not receive official revelation

[2:08]the Prophet is chosen by God the Prophet is infallible the same

[2:13]applies to the Imam the only difference really is that the Prophet

[2:18]receives official revelation and delivers that message to the people whereas the

[2:26]Imam does not receive official revelation otherwise all conditions that you find

[2:35]in a prophet are found in the Imam this is because the

[2:39]Imam fills pretty much the same role that a prophet does what

[2:44]is the role of a prophet let's ask the Prophet has many

[2:47]roles but three are very important one role of the prophet sallallaahu

[2:56]alayhi wa lee was to explain the holy quran to provide the

[2:59]proper application for the quranic verses to Kleck to clarify that which

[3:04]is ambiguous that which is not clear the Prophet doesn't just recite

[3:08]verses to us no he explains to us the meaning and the

[3:13]tough sear of those verses Allah Spanish our estates in the Holy

[3:16]Quran when zelner a lake and villa to Bayon and in us

[3:21]allah says we have revealed down the quran the vic the remembrance

[3:24]so that you explain to the people you clarify to the people

[3:32]that's one role of the prophet another role of the prophet is

[3:35]to respond to questions anyone who has a question Muslim non-muslim difficult

[3:41]question easy question the Prophet would answer those questions on behalf of

[3:46]Allah subhana WA Ta'ala and number three the Prophet would explain legal

[3:50]fit key issues and matters that people face in their everyday lives

[3:55]these are the three main roles of the Prophet let's ask the

[3:59]following question when the Prophet Sal Allahu Allahu Allah passed away and

[4:03]departed there was a big gap the Prophet was fulfilling these three

[4:12]roles when he passed away who fulfills these roles for us there

[4:16]is a now a big gap in the Muslim Ummah who's going

[4:21]to explain the proper tuffsy of Quran who is going to answer

[4:24]the questions to defend the religion and explain religion who's going to

[4:31]explain to people legal matters we have here two options two ideas

[4:37]two paths let's choose one of them two possibilities either the OMA

[4:43]is mature enough and qualified enough such that they could fulfill this

[4:51]very important role they could undertake these responsibilities offer the proper tip

[4:57]seal they answer people's questions they defend the religion they explain legal

[5:02]issues that's one possibility the other possibility is for the Prophet to

[5:08]appoint someone who represents him and he will fulfill this role really

[5:15]these are the two possibilities that we have otherwise you have a

[5:18]gap you have a void you have to fill it somehow and

[5:22]last not just going to leave us to try to you know

[5:24]figure this out when this is part of our faith a last

[5:28]panel Tyler has to show us let's look at the first possibility

[5:31]that the Ummah is qualified enough they can figure it out themselves

[5:37]what do you think about this that the OMA can figure it

[5:43]out themselves that's obscene of the Quran all that knowledge all those

[5:47]legal details answering tough questions the biggest proof that the OMA cannot

[5:53]figure this out is all the disagreements that we have when it

[5:59]comes to the Holy Quran pick up the books of two Farsi

[6:05]or the books of exegesis you will find in almost every verse

[6:08]there's differences of opinion so where's the correct where is the correct

[6:12]tips ear of the Quran obviously this the Ummah is not solving

[6:18]this dilemma for us because the Ummah have thousands of views whose

[6:22]view do you take who there is no unanimous agreement that this

[6:30]is the tafseer of the Quran as an example the OMA cannot

[6:34]fulfill this for us even basic everyday issues like will though the

[6:40]verse of the loo in which a last panel to Allah says

[6:45]wash your face your - you know hands arms and then your

[6:50]feet Allah says wipe your head and then your feet do what

[6:53]to your feet wash the feet according to the Sunni understanding of

[6:57]the verse or wipe the mess on the feet according to the

[7:01]explanation of the angle beta and the Shia understanding which one do

[7:04]you choose the AMA is just going to confuse you right if

[7:09]you want to leave matters to the ummah they're going to confuse

[7:16]you so we cannot possibly say that the ummah over here can

[7:19]figure things out for us look at very important issues like job

[7:23]tough wield hidaya predestination freewill after the prophets on Allah our Allah

[7:30]there was chaos in the Muslim movement some Muslims believed in predestination

[7:34]everything we do were predestined - you don't have freewill really God

[7:40]decides everything and everything you do every action you commit is done

[7:45]by God and then you had different sects what does guidance mean

[7:50]these very important matters the Ummah were split about them would God

[8:00]deliver the truth to me through a split OMA that they cannot

[8:03]even agree on anything really even God look at their disagreements on

[8:09]God the qualities of God the attributes of God it justice is

[8:14]that part of the attributes of God some ears say yes some

[8:18]say no as we saw last year when we talked about the

[8:22]Justice of God and the a shot of you right even simple

[8:25]things like that there is no unanimous agreement so the owner cannot

[8:30]fulfill the role of a prophet the Prophet gives you clear truths

[8:34]the Prophet does not confuse you the Prophet gives you half hundred

[8:38]percent hug the AMA confuses you so the AMA cannot take the

[8:45]position of a prophet when it comes to explaining the truth to

[8:49]the newer generations who are not there yes you said Velma can't

[8:54]fulfill the proper ovary we're following people like this tiny Romania how

[8:59]many well we'll get to that we'll mention that very briefly let's

[9:03]take this step by step so our question is is a logical

[9:13]question will God appoint someone to show us the truths or unless

[9:17]a panettone says the Prophet departed you guys figure it out somehow

[9:21]is that logical for a last panel Tata to do something like

[9:27]that let's look at 50 issues the Holy Quran if you examine

[9:31]those verses that speak about a calm legal matters rulings there are

[9:40]only 300 verses out of 6000 and you know 600 6236 verses

[9:44]only 300 verses talk about legal matters the Prophet in his lifetime

[9:52]did not explain every legal issue the Quran does not in detail

[9:56]explain every legal issue so you need someone after the Prophet to

[10:00]explain what the prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa ali did not have the

[10:04]opportunity to examine in depth so as for the Hadees from the

[10:11]profits on Allahu Allahu Allah about legal matters there are about 500

[10:15]so do you think that is sufficient for all these generations to

[10:20]come after and they have thousands of legal issues 500 hadith and

[10:26]300 verses is that sufficient to cover the very details of course

[10:32]not many many times Omar and Abu Bakr would be asked questions

[10:37]and they did not know the answer to because there was no

[10:42]precedent during the time of the prophet sallallaahu anyone they couldn't remember

[10:45]a hadith from the Prophet a situation an incident and event a

[10:51]precedent in order to answer questions like that the prophet sallallaahu Holly

[10:58]you ally in Mecca did not have the freedom to explain legal

[11:03]matters the Muslims were persecuted the prophets priority was a kind and

[11:07]Menken just a belief in God and the day of judgment really

[11:13]kept it simple when he went to Medina so many problems were

[11:16]there civil wars establishing a community hypocrites to deal with the Prophet

[11:20]spent a lot of time defending his community sometimes when he would

[11:26]go to war it could take two months for him to go

[11:29]settle there and come back so the Prophet did not have enough

[11:35]time to explain all legal details so after the Prophet you would

[11:38]see those caliphs were asked questions they did not know the answer

[11:42]to I'll give you a couple of quick examples when Abu Bakr

[11:47]was the Khalifa a drunk man a man who was drunk a

[11:53]drunken man was brought to him now according to the Holy Quran

[11:57]if these conditions are fulfilled there's a punishment for that you get

[12:01]penalized for getting drunk in Muslim society you know there's lashing the

[12:06]Quran talks about it when he was presented before the Prophet before

[12:16]Abu bike he told him all about I lived in an environment

[12:18]and family circumstances in which I really did not know drinking alcohol

[12:25]was forbidden I did not know I was not aware of this

[12:30]law what do you do now I'm uber just thinking is there

[12:35]a precedent in the prophets life did that ever happen he thought

[12:38]and he thought he couldn't figure that out so in the end

[12:41]he got stuck and he told him I don't know what to

[12:45]do with you I don't have the law I don't have the

[12:47]legal ruling now is this possible that Allah will leave the Ummah

[12:52]with a Calif who doesn't know how to address an incident like

[12:55]that in the end of course they always had to resort to

[13:01]Who am I my daddy said I'm and he solved the situation

[13:03]and imam sadiq ali said i'm talks about it he elaborates on

[13:08]this incident he says imam ali on es salaam came he explained

[13:12]to them that this is the ruling if this person really did

[13:17]not know was not aware that this is forbidden by Allah then

[13:20]yes this person will not be punished this person will not be

[13:26]flogged or lashed but you have but he has to prove that

[13:28]in my money I said I'm asked him you never heard of

[13:33]the verse that says alcohol is Haram you never heard of that

[13:35]he says no I swear by God nobody read that verse to

[13:40]me so the prophet sallallaahu I asked some people in his neighborhood

[13:43]f1 Imam Ali Allah's Salam as some people in his neighborhood he

[13:47]told them did you ever recite this verse to him they thought

[13:53]they like no we don't remember reciting this verse so it seemed

[13:57]that he was telling the truth so they let him go so

[14:01]this is an example of those caliphs of the Ummah not knowing

[14:06]a specific ruling because there was no precedent in the prophets life

[14:12]another example romanovna kitab was once asked about a man who divorced

[14:17]his wife two times in jahiliyya before he became Muslim and then

[14:22]after he became Muslim he divorced her a third time now in

[14:25]Islamic law if you divorce your wife the third time what happens

[14:33]she becomes permanently Haram to you unlawful to you unless she marries

[14:39]another man and he divorces her then you can marry her and

[14:43]the fourth time that's Islamic law now a lot of Nakata was

[14:49]asked about the situation this guy divorced his wife twice but this

[14:53]was before Islam jaliyah now that he became Muslim he divorced her

[14:57]does that count the first one or the third one the third

[15:02]time he didn't know he did not know that ruling because as

[15:05]far as he could remember when he was living with the Prophet

[15:11]nobody asked a question like that the point is so many legal

[15:15]details were not directly explained to the Muslims because the Prophet stay

[15:21]in Medina was very short ten years full of wars and challenges

[15:25]and problems how much can you explain to the people that in

[15:30]itself tells us the OMA is not qualified to represent the Prophet

[15:36]and explain all these details to the people besides in addition to

[15:41]all of that so many fabrications happened after the Prophet how do

[15:47]you know even let's say the Prophet did explain all of this

[15:49]let's say he did okay but that did not reach the new

[15:56]generations of Muslims they didn't hear the prophets of Allah on your

[15:59]honor so many things were twisted were changed were forged so many

[16:03]fabrications happened after the Prophet in fact Behati says he himself the

[16:07]author of body you know he has like five thousand or so

[16:13]hadith sahih bukhari he says I selected these five thousand from how

[16:18]many no more more six hundred thousand hadith five thousand from six

[16:28]hundred thousand that means he's like these are the reliable had used

[16:33]in my opinion that means what over five hundred thousand had these

[16:36]are not reliable how do you expect the Muslim to know what

[16:39]the Prophet said when you have this all these fabrications how was

[16:43]the last part out of going to protect the truth from us

[16:45]if he leaves it up to the Ummah is that possible that's

[16:49]not possible that's unacceptable we also see for instance Abu Dawood and

[16:56]his son and he says I selected my hadith from five hundred

[17:01]thousand hadiths you have Ahmed even humble and his Muslim he says

[17:09]I selected these correct hadiths in my opinion from seven hundred fifty

[17:12]thousand that's three-quarters of a million hadith that means there's so many

[17:21]fabrications that happened so how do you know what the Prophet even

[17:24]explained even if he did how is the Omar going to decide

[17:29]that for you and they have different standards who said what the

[17:31]both the standard that Bukhari used who said that's the right standard

[17:34]affirmative in Hamburg has a slightly different standard who said that's the

[17:39]right one so many differences of opinion here what do you do

[17:44]and we're talking about essential matters many of them have to do

[17:50]with oona Dean the pillars of faith so this is a big

[17:53]problem that tells us the OMA is not fit to figure out

[17:58]this for us now a quick objection here you refer to it

[18:01]what do you say about today the Imam Ali Salaam is an

[18:06]occultation we we do believe that God has assigned a leader for

[18:10]us as we shall examine but he's an occultation who is filling

[18:15]that void and gap during the haver of the Imam Ali Serra

[18:17]see our argument in the school of an inmate is that the

[18:24]Imams of a debate in those two centuries after the Prophet they

[18:28]had two hundred years more than two hundred years of time to

[18:35]explain the details of Islamic laws and Islamic beliefs to raise a

[18:41]generation of scholars who would convey those truths to us whereas the

[18:46]prophets of Allah Allahu Allah did not have the opportunity in ten

[18:50]years of medina to do that how much could you do in

[18:56]ten years with all those problems in fact most Muslims became Muslim

[19:00]one the last two years of the prophet's life after i'm and

[19:03]feta after the conquest of Mecca in two years you're going to

[19:08]build scholars you're going to raise scholars that's impossible that's absolutely impossible

[19:13]whereas the Imams of an inmate had two centuries yes there are

[19:19]some differences amongst the Moraga and scholars when it comes to some

[19:23]legal manners but look at the core of faith the belief in

[19:28]Allah the oneness of God the attributes ammama nubile WA the day

[19:33]of judgment the also Nadine 99% agreement that's valid 95 percent in

[19:39]its an agreement 5 percent difference that's valid that's a valid system

[19:42]we're not saying we have to have a hundred percent of the

[19:47]truth remember God is also testing us and that's part of the

[19:50]test when it comes to 50 legal matters if you pick up

[19:54]the resada Emilia the book of rulings for your momjo I know

[19:57]there are some differences the scholars have right when it comes to

[20:00]citing the moon some other issues but when you look at the

[20:07]thousands of rules they've discussed 5,000 rules 4000 rulings what percentage of

[20:13]these rulings do they disagree with what do you think give me

[20:17]an educated guess 5 percent exactly probably even less than 5 percent

[20:22]5 percent difference that means 95 percent they're in agreement that is

[20:28]a system that works that's fine logically rationally you'll accept a system

[20:34]that gives you 95 percent the same results maybe 5 percent differences

[20:38]that's ok see that is a qualified system to give you the

[20:44]truth but when you want to open the path for the entire

[20:49]Ummah since the day of the prophets of Allah Allah and all

[20:51]the Sahaba had different opinions and different it's too hot out and

[20:53]you just want to see the tafseer of one verse you've got

[20:58]30 conflicting opinions what do you do that's not it that's that's

[21:01]not a qualified system but when it comes to the path of

[21:08]a debate within the school of a debate within the system that

[21:10]they have given us the differences are very little they're very minor

[21:13]so there's a lot to discuss about this but briefly this is

[21:19]how we would answer to that objection that look and the end

[21:22]at the system overall it's a working system that's giving you 95%

[21:28]the same results and that's fine and you have 5% differences that's

[21:32]okay just like in any professional field you have some differences here

[21:38]and there that's that's okay therefore we need someone to fulfill the

[21:43]role of that prophet it cannot be the OMA they cannot fulfill

[21:46]that role hence a man Ali bin Abi Talib alayhis-salam in one

[21:53]hadith says allahumma bella lateral aerodrome in car amin lillahi the Hodja

[21:58]he says o Allah it's impossible for the earth to be void

[22:01]of your Hudgins of your proof a human being who serves as

[22:09]your proof in my violin majora either this Hodja is visibly present

[22:14]we have access to them we can see them Oh - Mahalo

[22:20]oh this person is an occultation but in the end we need

[22:26]gods for Jon earthly a lotta brother so judge allahi or baiana

[22:29]- so that the proofs of God remained valid we have someone

[22:34]here on earth physically present on earth to serve as the source

[22:38]of guidance it's extremely important to have someone physically here on earth

[22:43]you know we all believe in the whispers of the devil right

[22:46]the Holy Quran talks about it the devil is a physical being

[22:52]who's from the jinn of course who acts upon us so we

[22:57]DV the Justice of Allah necessitates that there is also a physical

[23:01]being who's the Imam on his setup who represents the source of

[23:05]guidance and he counter acts the effects of the devil they -

[23:11]encounters them that's necessary for a physical being to be here on

[23:19]earth now here is a very important question so we know that

[23:22]the Prophet must appoint someone to fulfill that role our last -

[23:25]I almost choose that person you can't leave it up to the

[23:31]homeland question here can a non-profit achieve such high status of knowledge

[23:34]like a prophet is that even possible let's look at all the

[23:40]Quran there's no floor and give us an instance of someone who

[23:42]was not recognised to be a prophet to have more knowledge than

[23:48]a prophet yes the Quran does not mention his name but the

[23:51]hadith tell us the story of the Hillar this is a Sunnah

[23:56]tell calf verse 65 Fallujah da abdomen Arab Athena Athena who rahmatan

[24:02]Mindanao home in Laguna Alma a last man which Allah talks about

[24:08]Musa al-salaam in which he comes across someone who had knowledge allah

[24:17]says we gave him knowledge Musa told him can you share with

[24:22]me some of your knowledge and you've all heard this story and

[24:26]then what happened when it came to certain issue who's that righteous

[24:30]servant of God who is the filler had more knowledge than Musa

[24:34]in those matters that means the last Palatine I can give a

[24:41]non-profit knowledge that's that is similar to the status of prophethood this

[24:44]is not something that's incompatible with the Quran we do have precedents

[24:48]in the Holy Quran you've all lost you've all heard the story

[24:52]of prophet Suleiman on a sinner and one of his aides one

[24:57]of his successors Asif in Berkeley ah who was not a prophet

[25:00]because he had some knowledge of the book and in the monument

[25:04]al-kitab he was able to even do supernatural things like bringing the

[25:08]huge throne of Bilkis from Yemen to Palestine because he had some

[25:15]knowledge of the book so the Holy Quran gives us examples of

[25:17]individuals who were not prophets yet they had this type of knowledge

[25:21]so if we were to say the Imams of an inmate's have

[25:28]knowledge that prophets had is that blasphemy is that problematic is there

[25:32]anticodon what's the problem in that we'll talk about the knowledge of

[25:34]the amount in detail in the future but this is just to

[25:38]tell us that we can have an imam who fulfills the role

[25:47]of a prophet yes the wise man look man yes some scholars

[25:51]believe he may have been a prophet but many believe he was

[25:56]a wise man he was not a prophet and he had insight

[25:57]from allah subhana wa ta'ala Allah would reveal to his heart divine

[26:02]knowledge and it's not proven that he was a prophet we have

[26:11]many many examples so the Imam then clearly can fulfill the role

[26:15]of the Prophet without any issues now there is one another objection

[26:19]over here the Holy Quran clearly in Surat al-ma'idah verse 3 states

[26:26]and yom Akmal Tilikum Dinoco today I have completed your faith you

[26:32]will find many scholars from other schools of thought citing this verse

[26:37]why do you need an imam religion has been complete what's the

[26:39]need for a Nima Allah clearly states religion has been complete you

[26:44]don't need an imam to explain anything new everything has been explained

[26:48]how do we respond to this objection very briefly we give two

[26:53]answers one answer is a challenge to those other schools of thought

[26:58]the second answer is to provide the real solution when it comes

[27:08]to details of Sharia you will find in Bihar II and in

[27:12]many other books after this verse which was revealed other verses that

[27:18]explain Islamic rulings were also revealed I'll give you an example from

[27:23]Bihari Bihari says the last verse the very last verse to be

[27:29]revealed in the holy quran is what the verse of Libba the

[27:32]verse of usury or interest that explains the laws of usury and

[27:40]that it is Hana ok question if you believe in this I

[27:44]just I thought you just said and the oume Act Mutulu come

[27:49]Dina come when Allah revealed that verse Allah has completed faith everything

[27:53]has been explained then why does the Quran bring another verse which

[27:56]has to do with interest and explain it to the people what

[27:59]does that tell you them about a glioma a cumulative lucuma Dina

[28:05]come today I've completed your faith this in itself is proof that

[28:09]when Allah said today I've completed your faith meaning the general guiding

[28:14]principles have been explained to people but the details know some more

[28:19]details could follow you think the Prophet after this verse he did

[28:22]nothing he just closed his door and sat down in his house

[28:26]that's it religion has been complete there's nothing for me to explain

[28:29]of course not verses would be revealed sometimes new rulings would be

[28:34]explained by the Prophet yes we accept that the verse Ali Omak

[28:38]meant to Lacombe Dina comb means that the general principles the important

[28:44]core beliefs core lost have been explained no doubt about that but

[28:49]the details know there's no contradiction here and saying religion has been

[28:55]complete but some we'll follow that's fine sometimes you could write a

[28:59]constitution for the people and you will say the Constitution is complete

[29:02]but can't you have amendments can't you have some details about the

[29:07]Constitution of course you can that's not a contradiction and so this

[29:10]is the second answer which is the solution that a last part

[29:16]of China does say that I've completed faith for you but alas

[29:19]not saying that every little detail has been explained to you know

[29:22]the main details of Islam the core beliefs the core ideas have

[29:28]been given to you now but as for the details you still

[29:31]need the presence of the Prophet and those days after the revelation

[29:37]of this verse and you also need someone who represents the Prophet

[29:41]to explain many many details which the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa ali

[29:45]did not have a chance to explain so this is how we

[29:48]address a verse like that now before we examine the criteria for

[29:53]an imam let's briefly talk about the Shura over here because you

[30:00]will find other schools of thought when it comes to the position

[30:04]of imama of who's an imam they will tell you that we

[30:07]have the principles of Shura mentioned in the Quran therefore when it

[30:14]comes to choosing the Imam or the Khalifa or the successor the

[30:21]Quran has instructed us to engage in Shura what does sure I

[30:26]mean in English consultation meaning you the Ummah gather and decide who

[30:33]the Imam would be we have to address this very important argument

[30:38]that other schools of thought have mentioned before we examine these two

[30:43]verses of Shura we have a very valid question here if the

[30:50]way to choose the Imam and the Khalifa is by Shura then

[30:55]why is it that none of the first three caliphs became caliphs

[31:01]through Shura how is it that you're teaching Muslims in history that

[31:06]you guys need to choose your Imam through consultation but none of

[31:11]the first three caliphs were actually chosen through this system of consultation

[31:16]is it that a joke let's briefly elaborate on that as for

[31:23]the first caliph Abu Bakr he was not chosen by Shura initially

[31:31]five pledged allegiance then they intimidated others to follow you think there

[31:35]was a referendum in Medina all people come let's do a Shura

[31:40]and choose you know this next group of people they happen to

[31:43]gather under the tent of sativa and it just quickly happened what

[31:49]about other villages and neighboring areas how come they had no part

[31:54]in this Shura he was clearly not appointed by the Shura and

[31:58]the biggest proof that it wasn't Shura in Bihari and other sources

[32:05]when Omar describes our new kebab when he describes how Abu buck

[32:09]was appointed when he describes the first caliphate you know what word

[32:18]does he use to describe it felt er what does fell to

[32:21]me slip something that suddenly happens without preparation that's the meaning of

[32:28]felton and he says fealty to allah who shall wrong you know

[32:33]God really protected us from the slip wait a minute wait a

[32:37]minute why are you describing the Caliphate of Abu black using a

[32:41]word like that does that mean there was really Shura and it

[32:43]was an instruction of the Quran or it's something that you guys

[32:50]cooked and suddenly happened and he says Omar this should not repeat

[32:54]be repeated again it's a feta it should not be repeated again

[32:56]wait a minute if it's a poor anecdote you want it to

[33:01]be repeated again in fact you should tell Muslims just like we

[33:03]chose our first curry for you guys should do the same we

[33:09]don't see that in fact if Abu bucks Caliphate and how he

[33:13]was chosen was according to the principles of Quran then those who

[33:18]selected him like Amman should come out and proud say yes that

[33:23]is how you choose a khalifa and you teach the new generation

[33:29]of muslims to do the same that's something you should be proud

[33:32]of this is something you should teach other generation of Muslims but

[33:37]do we find that no instead what do we find no he's

[33:42]like it was you know a Fanta it was a slip and

[33:46]was something that just happened without any preparation and he should not

[33:50]be repeated again and that's why they did not repeat it again

[33:54]that's the second argument here how was the second cell e4 chosen

[33:57]he was appointed by whom what happened to the Shura where's the

[34:05]Shula just threw it out the window what happened to the shooter

[34:10]third Khalifa how was he appointed by six people how many Muslims

[34:14]were there in the Muslim Ummah thousands tens of thousands by that

[34:20]time why only these six who came up with this criteria anyway

[34:24]that you only have these six people what kind of shoe is

[34:29]this and by the way if really choosing the Khalifa is supposed

[34:33]to be through Shura and consultation don't you think the prophet sallallaahu

[34:37]and it should have explained to us what are the limits of

[34:40]this Charan who's involved in it who's qualified who should be part

[34:47]of it he just leaves it open ended like that at least

[34:50]tell us do do the people of Medina count do we have

[34:54]to ask other villages okay in Medina you've got thousands of people

[34:58]who's qualified to be part of that sure everybody all companions half

[35:04]of the companions those with these qualities I mean when you go

[35:10]to any country to any organization and they have an election system

[35:15]you in their bylaws they have rulings on how this election is

[35:18]to be conducted right do you find an institution which says yeah

[35:23]yeah yeah you should have elections but I don't have a way

[35:26]for you to conduct elections I don't know just go and do

[35:28]it however you want that's a joke so if really it was

[35:34]Shubra how can we don't see the Prophet explained to us the

[35:37]procedure so that in itself tells us Khilafah and ammama is not

[35:43]by shura and the biggest proof is that those first three Caleb's

[35:45]they did not even implement EULA when it came to their Khilafah

[35:48]they want others to implement them you guys should be role models

[35:51]for Muslims if you didn't implement the Shula other Muslims are going

[35:55]to implement the Shura and that's why exactly and that's exactly why

[35:58]throughout history you have dictatorships in the Muslim Ummah where's the Shura

[36:04]because those three set the precedent that it's by dictatorship it's not

[36:10]by Shura that's a problem now let's briefly examine these two verses

[36:16]of the Shura the first one is verse 159 of surah al-e-imran

[36:20]the third chapter in the holy quran 3 159 alas panatela says

[36:27]wash ah we're home Phil um God is commanding the Prophet consult

[36:31]them in the affair that's the meaning of this verse some of

[36:35]them have cited this verse to say yes see you have to

[36:39]consult so when it comes to choosing the Khalifa you have to

[36:42]consult let's technically analyze this verse this verse is speaking to an

[36:51]authority who's the Prophet sallallaahu annually whose authority has already been established

[36:56]we know he's been chosen by God then the verse is telling

[37:04]the Prophet you who are an authority and you are the leader

[37:06]consult your companions when it comes to some issues it's not saying

[37:13]that when it comes to choosing that leader and the one who

[37:17]has authority you take the path of consultation and Shura where in

[37:23]the verse does it say that the verse is talking to someone

[37:26]who's already an authority who's a prophet whose authority has been already

[37:30]determined by allah subhanaw taala now that you've been chosen by God

[37:35]Allah is telling him consult in some matters that's all that's all

[37:39]the verses saying we're in these words wash our home Phil um

[37:45]do you understand that Khilafah and the one who succeeds the Prophet

[37:48]should be my consultation where is that in the first dozen is

[37:53]not addressing that aspect and I'll honestly ask you right now look

[37:57]at this verse wash our home phenom three words come sometime in

[38:02]the affair do you really between you and God do you see

[38:06]this verse talking about an important position like who's going to succeed

[38:11]the Prophet view--the you see that in the verse do you see

[38:16]a clear instruction in the verse about this about such a critical

[38:20]manner do you see it I don't know if you do we

[38:27]can discuss it that's fine so our argument is that this verse

[38:31]cannot be the basis for Shura when it comes to selecting the

[38:40]Khalifa who represents the Prophet and then and then that same verse

[38:45]says to the Prophet you consult them but in the end the

[38:49]decision is yours because after that the verse says further as M

[38:57]tefa TOEIC Allah Allah the verse says shall one phenom yes consult

[39:01]them but then once you want to make the decision you not

[39:07]them once you're making the decision rely on a line just do

[39:10]it that means in the end how many people are making the

[39:18]decision one so really this is just a moral instruction to the

[39:21]Prophet Allah so Allah and the end you have to call the

[39:23]shots you're the Prophet just consult them respect them make them feel

[39:30]important make them feel that their opinion also counts that's all and

[39:34]the end you're making the decision not them which is even proof

[39:38]that this verse is about someone whose authority has already been established

[39:42]who already has authority from God and he's going to make the

[39:45]decisions he just has to consult his companions just to show them

[39:52]respect that's all that's the first verse the second verse surah 2

[39:57]Sharad verse 38 well I'm rowhome sure our Baena home and their

[40:03]affairs as a matter of us as a matter of consultation between

[40:08]them so they're claiming that Khilafah is part of the affairs of

[40:15]these people and therefore it's subject to consultation very brief point over

[40:21]here very brief objection the verse is saying those Affairs which belong

[40:27]to them should be subject to consultation and Shura question Khilafah and

[40:35]the caliphate is that the people's affair or the affair of God

[40:42]does the verse does this verse say anything about that no why

[40:46]are they assuming to begin with that kunafa is from the affairs

[40:53]of the people themselves then it would be subject to consultation no

[40:58]maybe that office as we shall see later kunafa is the Dominion

[41:02]of God not the Dominion of people so using this verse like

[41:08]the verse of the Shura and applying it to the Caliphate is

[41:12]a logical fallacy over here because they're assuming that they're offensive it's

[41:17]part of the affairs and the Dominion of the people then that

[41:20]means they can consult about it no it could be the Dominion

[41:24]of God I'll give you an example let's say the Constitution says

[41:28]the people the citizens of this state they decide and they elect

[41:34]on their affairs and then you have the Supreme Court now in

[41:41]our country who directly appoints the Supreme Court justices who appoints them

[41:46]the president now can people come and object and say no wait

[41:53]a minute the Constitution said we the people decide on our affairs

[41:57]why is the president choosing and suppose selecting the Supreme Court judges

[42:04]when the Constitution says you decide on your affairs that means those

[42:09]Affairs that have been established to be your Dominion and you can

[42:12]vote on them but if something has been assigned to the president

[42:15]that's not your Dominion anymore that's the president's Dominion same thing over

[42:21]here when it comes to Khalifa we have Quranic evidence and prophetic

[42:24]hadith which says Khilafah is the Dominion of allah subhanaw taala he

[42:29]chooses so you can't subject that to the consultation in any case

[42:39]upon objectively unbiased ly examining the verse of consultation we see no

[42:45]clear reference to kunafa the Prophet did not talk about it and

[42:49]the limits of it none of the first caliphs implemented it and

[42:52]you want us to believe that this Gaddafi is by consultation show

[42:57]us a historical president precedent from the prophet's life from even the

[43:02]caliphs lives fine we'll accept that from the caliphs lives there isn't

[43:05]such a precedent that means Khilafah imamat cannot be by consultation there

[43:11]is no evidence for them so next we are going to examine

[43:16]than how as the Imam chosen is there anything in the prophets

[43:25]life that tells us more about how an imam is chosen this

[43:28]is a very very sensitive discussion it's a very critical discussion too

[43:35]because most Muslims in history have not taken this evidence so it's

[43:39]very important for us to discuss this and analyze this and what

[43:41]about the verses of the Holy Quran when it comes to the

[43:49]words and positions like Imam Khalifa what does the Quran say about

[43:54]them are they by the designation of God or Allah Spinoza Allah

[43:59]leaves it for the people to decide the Imam and the Khalifa

[44:04]this is something that we will examine next week in sha-la-la-la-la-la allah

[44:09]sayidina muhammadin wa ali al-taher him

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