2. Torah and Bible: Distorted Scriptures? | Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani | Ramadan 2022

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[5:06]if you ask any muslim in the world today why do you

[5:11]not follow the torah or the bible you'll hear a reply normally

[5:19]associated with them being distorted scriptures ask any muslim in the world

[5:24]today why wouldn't you follow what the torah or what the injeel

[5:28]say about jesus son of mary or for that matter what these

[5:32]two scriptures say about the prophets of god you'll find that most

[5:36]muslims have been taught from a young age that these two books

[5:40]have been distorted or that these two books have been corrupted or

[5:45]that these two books have got certain fabrications or that these two

[5:52]books have been the subject to what is known as taharif taharif

[5:56]is the idea of a particular change that may take place a

[6:01]particular transformation that may take place a particular alteration that may take

[6:08]place to for example one of the scriptures so you find that

[6:12]muslims from a young age are told not to follow the torah

[6:17]or to follow the bible why because they're taught that the holiest

[6:20]text is the holy quran and that anything that came before the

[6:27]quran is a book that has been changed these books originally were

[6:32]books that discussed god that discussed the prophets of god that came

[6:37]with prophets of god as well but unfortunately some of the followers

[6:41]of these traditions or some of the followers of these religions change

[6:47]certain messages within these books and once they change those messages it

[6:52]meant that you're not meant to follow them if you ask many

[6:57]muslims what exact taharif took place you'll find that the answers will

[7:03]be far and few between that if you were to ask a

[7:06]muslim today that you say that there was taharif of the bible

[7:11]or taharif of the torah but what exact change took place what

[7:17]is it that changed from the original messages that were given to

[7:23]the likes of david alaihis [Music] because naturally if i want to

[7:34]reconstruct an understanding and dialogue between islam and christianity and indeed judaism

[7:38]then i need to know exactly what the differences are and i

[7:43]need to know what i can take as being authentic and what's

[7:46]not authentic what can i take as being reliable and what's not

[7:51]reliable the reality is whether i like it or i don't the

[7:55]torah exists until today the bible exists until today and the quran

[8:02]exists until today all of them are in people's households sometimes it

[8:06]may be a bit of an insult for me as a muslim

[8:10]to turn around and accuse other books of being books which are

[8:15]altered but i don't like it when someone accuses my quran of

[8:19]being subject to tariff today if someone said that the quran is

[8:22]subject to taharif and we as shia know this better than anyone

[8:27]that's when somebody says that the shia have a different quran and

[8:31]that the shia i have a surah called and that this surah

[8:35]is different from the quran of others i would automatically be a

[8:38]bit unhappy when i hear this so then why do i find

[8:44]it normal that i make a blanket statement of taharif against those

[8:48]who follow the torah and those who follow the injeel mind you

[8:52]even if you were to ask many muslims to explain to you

[8:55]what is the torah or what is the injeel many muslims will

[8:59]not know today ask many muslims what are the books of the

[9:05]torah and ask them what are the books of the bible explain

[9:09]to me the jewish bible the old testament explain to me the

[9:13]new testament the development of the new testament many of us attack

[9:17]a book that we've never seen or attack a book that we've

[9:22]never read how many of us can sincerely say that we've read

[9:26]for example the bible or we've read the old testament or the

[9:31]new testament all we can say is that look we recognize that

[9:34]the quran has certain verses which talk of alteration they talk of

[9:39]a certain segment of the children of israel who may have for

[9:42]example changed god's word you see for example in surat al-baqarah that

[9:51]there are certain verses which we'll come to shortly which indicate a

[9:55]certain change but we know that this indication of change or taharif

[10:01]is it literally of the bible or is it taharif in terms

[10:07]of the tafseer of the bible because today when you look at

[10:12]certain discussions concerning tahrir of the quran there is a tariff which

[10:17]some argue of the nas of the quran that there were certain

[10:19]verses that went missing or that animals had for example for their

[10:25]iftar a few verses of the quran or you'll find some will

[10:27]say that there were surahs that were much longer and these surahs

[10:30]are not with us but could there be a possibility that there

[10:35]is could that be a possibility as well could there be a

[10:45]possibility of this case that a person might turn around and say

[10:47]that the taharif that we talk about or the distortion of the

[10:52]scriptures when we're trying to dissect jesus son of mary may not

[10:57]necessarily have been distortion in relation to the nas or the actual

[11:01]written bible but rather the way certain scholars would have changed that

[11:07]of an ayah related to one of the they could have also

[11:13]changed the tafseer of an ayah related to what that have seen

[11:16]of an ayah related to the scriptures themselves so therefore when we

[11:22]come to tonight's discussion there is a need for us to try

[11:26]and understand what is the meaning of taharif of the torah or

[11:30]taharif of the injeel do we mean taharif when it comes to

[11:33]the actual book so when i have a bible in a hotel

[11:37]room today i open the drawer in a hotel room for example

[11:42]and i see that in that draw there's a bible has that

[11:44]bible been changed or is it the original bible because we know

[11:51]that allah subhanahu wa in the quran tells us and he tells

[11:56]us allah has said to us that we are the ones who

[12:01]have sent down the torah and we are the ones who have

[12:04]done what we are the ones who have given jesus the injil

[12:09]the torah therefore is a heavenly book the psalms is a heavenly

[12:13]book the bible is a heavenly book but which of these books

[12:18]is with us until today which we can use in every single

[12:23]way and which of them are their question marks regarding some of

[12:28]their chapters you therefore find that that will be the subject of

[12:32]our discussion can i in my reconstruction of jesus son of mary

[12:39]use the torah can i use the bible let's examine this tonight

[12:42]and i'd like to do it in the following stages number one

[12:45]what exactly is the bible and the torah made up of and

[12:50]what exactly does it seek to show us in relation to christ's

[12:57]message number two when allah says that we are the ones who

[13:00]sent down the torah what was the original intention of sending the

[13:03]torah what was it meant to be for mankind number three if

[13:10]there was an alteration to the torah what type of alteration could

[13:14]be alluded to number four when it comes to the injeel does

[13:19]the quran stress that the injeel is the word of god if

[13:26]it is what are the arguments which i'd like to look at

[13:28]in tonight's lecture for tomorrow i'll look at the arguments against the

[13:33]bible being the word of god tonight i'd like to look at

[13:38]the arguments which seek to profess that it must have been the

[13:41]word of god and that that bible which god speaks about in

[13:44]the quran without a doubt is a bible that was not altered

[13:50]in relation to wording but may have been altered in relation to

[13:54]interpretation and which incident in the life of the holy prophet peace

[13:58]be upon him in his family in relation to the stoning of

[14:04]an adulteress highlighted that certain scholars who were proficient in the bible

[14:11]or in the torah may have begun to change the interpretation of

[14:14]what was with them let's examine this and dissect the topic in

[14:20]complete depth when we come to the old testament and the new

[14:24]testament these are two of the most important sources for us when

[14:29]dissecting the history of god the history of religion and the history

[14:36]of jesus son of mary when we come to the dissection of

[14:40]this particular topic of course this all comes under the brackets of

[14:45]what the bible the bible is made up of the old testament

[14:50]and the new testament someone says to me so what's the torah

[14:53]if the bible is made up of the old testament and the

[14:57]new testament what exactly is the torah if you look at the

[15:02]old testament sometimes the old testament is known as the jewish bible

[15:07]why it's known as the jewish bible because it allows us to

[15:11]retrace the relationship between god his prophets and the children of israel

[15:19]the old testament is made up of around 39 books old testament

[15:25]allows us to understand god a certain chosen group of people and

[15:32]the way they interacted with the prophets that were sent to them

[15:36]the first five books of the old testament are known as the

[15:42]torah so when you look at the first five books of the

[15:45]old testament you'll see for example genesis exodus leviticus numbers and deuteronomy

[15:53]these five are known as the torah they allow for the human

[16:00]being to understand who wants to go deeper in their understanding of

[16:03]the history of religion in particular the abrahamic faiths how exactly god

[16:09]spoke to his nation how he spoke to the prophets how those

[16:15]prophets interacted primarily with the children of israel i said even the

[16:19]quran if you look throughout the quran the quran is mainly a

[16:21]book that looks at the interaction between god the children of israel

[16:27]and the prophets of the children of israel would you agree if

[16:30]you look within the holy quran the majority of stories in the

[16:35]quran are about the children of israel let's say israel nabiya for

[16:41]example his children the likes of nabi yosub and you look at

[16:44]for example and the journey of the children of israel they build

[16:51]a temple the temple is demolished they build a second temple they

[16:56]travel to egypt they leave egypt they go towards jerusalem all of

[17:01]this is the old testament within that first five books is our

[17:05]understanding of the torah it allows us to see chapters which allow

[17:11]us to understand god the creation of god then you get to

[17:15]chapters for example like numbers and you're seeing literally the numbers of

[17:19]people who were on the path with the children of israel those

[17:22]who started the mission those who died with the mission subhanallah look

[17:25]there's a lot of these facts that may not even exist in

[17:30]the quran would you agree in the quran i don't really get

[17:32]numbers as a chapter in the quran i don't get a chapter

[17:39]of numbers of people who may have followed the path of god

[17:42]at a certain point and may have left the path of god

[17:45]at a certain point sometimes that the odd reference of numbers of

[17:50]disciples numbers of tribes numbers of people who may ask moses a

[17:53]certain question for example but in the old testament you have literally

[17:59]a chapter called numbers and a chapter after that known as deuteronomy

[18:02]sometimes people use an acronym for the old testament if you want

[18:08]to understand the structure of the old testament people use an acronym

[18:12]the acronym is tanakh that acronym if you break it down allows

[18:17]you to understand the breakdown of the old testament t for torah

[18:24]the first five books the laws then you have never which allows

[18:30]us to understand for example the prophets and then you have ketubim

[18:33]allow you to understand the writings because the old testament is either

[18:39]made up of laws discussions of the lives of prophets of allah

[18:43]or understanding their parables their philosophies what they preach to the people

[18:50]sometimes there may be chapters in the old testament which allow us

[18:56]to see certain things that the quran does not reveal to us

[18:58]someone says no the quran reveals everything no the quran doesn't reveal

[19:01]everything the quran may give you for example lessons to be learned

[19:06]from some of what's already been discussed where what's been discussed within

[19:12]the torah or what's discussed in the old testament there are chapters

[19:16]named after woman in the old testament in the quran we pride

[19:22]ourselves that we have a chapter called maryam whereas if you go

[19:24]to the old testament i'll go to a chapter called ruth and

[19:28]a chapter called judith and you'll see chapters which are named after

[19:32]females named after prophets 12 prophets for example have a certain segment

[19:37]for them named after certain proverbs there's a book of supplications known

[19:42]as the psalms 150 of them many muslims when they look at

[19:51]the torah or the injeel they neglect completely as if these two

[19:54]don't exist on the contrary i have the old testament with me

[19:58]and the old testament that's with me has many wonderful lessons many

[20:01]wonderful messages so now the tanakh what was it doing it was

[20:08]continuously trying to show us god's guidance to man and how unfortunately

[20:12]man can make god angry at so many times in so many

[20:15]intervals betraying god's message after that you'd expect the end of the

[20:20]tanakh you'd expect that it's going to be this really wonderful ending

[20:25]yes at the end of the old testament you expect that there's

[20:27]going to be this happy ending and that there's going to be

[20:31]a messiah who comes forth all of a sudden it just ends

[20:34]like that and nobody achieves the victory they want and there isn't

[20:37]that superman figure who emerges at the end of the old testament

[20:42]who saves mankind old testament finishes few hundred years later we get

[20:49]the new testament a few hundred years later we get christ jesus

[20:54]son of mary he emerges a few hundred years after that someone

[20:59]says so when he emerges what does he bring with him he

[21:03]brings with him what is known as the injeel we said originally

[21:09]when he spoke about the torah in the quran what does god

[21:13]say because if any of you want to see the understanding and

[21:15]the relationship between the torah and the bible and the quran then

[21:21]the best verses in the quran surah 5 verse 41 until 49

[21:26]if you can all of you at home at some point this

[21:30]month if you want to know the relationship between the torah the

[21:36]bible and the quran and how the quran speaks about the bible

[21:39]and the torah in glowing terms muslims today you ask them bible

[21:46]bible's messed bible's corrupt bibles are forgery bible's being changed yes you

[21:52]may have arguments for this but the quran doesn't necessarily speak so

[21:58]negatively about these books we said the quran says and what does

[22:05]it have within it there is guidance and there is light have

[22:11]you ever in your life described the torah as the book of

[22:14]noor have you asked many people have you all described the torah

[22:19]as a book of the quran mentions that the quran says that

[22:27]the torah was what was a book that has guidance and has

[22:32]light the quran mentions when it comes to the injeel what is

[22:38]the torah the torah are teachings what is the injeel the injeel

[22:41]is the good news because you've gone through this old testament the

[22:45]people have tried to find god they ended without finding that promised

[22:50]savior now the question arose who will emerge a few hundred years

[22:53]later let's say 400 years later after the old testament jesus son

[22:58]of mary emerges the quran mentions jesus son of mary that allah

[23:04]subhanahu wa was the teacher of the torah and the injeel to

[23:11]jesus son of mary verse number 48 that he teaches will teach

[23:29]jesus son of mary what kittab is telling us that jesus son

[23:42]of mary was fully proficient with the torah and fully proficient with

[23:46]the injeel someone asks why would he need to be fully proficient

[23:49]with the torah there are already many scholars who are living in

[23:52]his time who have the torah this raises a big question why

[23:56]would god need to teach jesus the torah when the torah is

[24:01]available already there why couldn't you just learn it from one of

[24:04]the scholars who's there if the torah was the same exact torah

[24:09]as that had existed with who with the prophets who came before

[24:12]so why would allah say where you are at already there i

[24:19]could go to a teacher the teacher teaches me unless possibly there's

[24:23]a question mark about the torah that was around when jesus emerged

[24:27]maybe when jesus emerges allah he emerges in a time where the

[24:35]torah there may have been some sort of taharif in relation to

[24:40]what in relation to the torah but this question of what type

[24:43]of tariff will come to shortly because in the quran allah mentions

[24:49]that there are people so the quran mentions that there are certain

[25:00]people who distort the word from its origin or different to its

[25:04]origin so possibly when the quran says allah giving us a hint

[25:15]that i'll teach him the torah but we know he's not the

[25:18]one who came with the torah so what is this torah that

[25:23]is being taught which already was present possibly a torah of a

[25:29]version that did not have the changes either in us or in

[25:32]mana in text or in for example interpretation but then allah says

[25:43]and he teaches him the injeel and what is the injeel now

[25:48]in the quran allah subhanahu wa ta'ala those verses when he talks

[25:54]about the injeel he says a guidance and that which confirms what

[26:10]is with him from the torah.

[26:16]look at the glowing terms in which god describes the injeel he

[26:21]says that the injeel is a guidance and is a light and

[26:26]is that which confirms what is with him from the torah and

[26:31]is a guidance and a source of wisdom for the god conscious

[26:37]look at the beauty of the description of the injeel many muslims

[26:41]do not realize that the quran itself speaks glowingly about the injeel

[26:46]it says that the injeel is a huda it's a nor that

[26:51]the ng is full of malware that the indeed has so many

[26:54]wonderful parables and pieces of advice for those who are god conscious

[27:00]for those who want to learn all we're taught in our madras

[27:02]this is what and corrupt indeed been changed and jill is wrong

[27:05]torah is wrong hold on wait first what do i see i

[27:11]see clearly here that god is describing the injeel now the injeel

[27:15]today that's with us what is it the bible that's with us

[27:20]today because if you imagine now i want to ask you brother

[27:22]sisters when you say for example torah let's say a person imagines

[27:27]let's say imagines that moses comes with a book for his people

[27:31]let's say even though it's come before if you say for example

[27:35]when you come to jesus when we imagine the injeel what do

[27:40]we imagine about the injil we imagine that it's the word of

[27:45]allah subhanahu wa ta'ala transmitted to the people through jesus son of

[27:48]mary isn't that what you imagine problem that the muslim community faces

[27:54]when it examines the bible that we have with us today is

[27:59]that the bible that we have with us today when we open

[28:03]it we have no issue genesis all the way to the end

[28:08]of the jewish bible then when we open the new testament we

[28:11]suddenly see the names of matthew mark luke and john when we

[28:18]look at that we ask a question hold on hold on matthew

[28:22]mark luke and john if i compare it for example with the

[28:29]quran it is like saying that there are chapters in the quran

[28:32]named after people who came after christ so for example in the

[28:39]quran would you say that there is a surah called surat sahib

[28:43]nil is 45 years after the prophet died not long not long

[29:18]we're not talking 65 we're not talking up to 70 80 90

[29:25]the problem that some muslims found with taking on the bible that

[29:31]we have with us today is that they'll say for example if

[29:36]you look at the first of them if you look at mark

[29:37]and you look at then matthew luke and finally look like john

[29:41]you're seeing 65 a.d 75 a.d 85 a.d 90 80 95 a.d

[29:49]if that was the world of hadith you'll say no problem because

[29:55]our hadith literature doesn't exactly add up to being the earliest in

[29:59]the world yes our hadith literature a lot of it is that

[30:01]which has come much later as in if you look in the

[30:04]non-shia world you're talking over 150 years after the prophet died and

[30:10]if you're looking at the shiite world books like for example al-kafi

[30:16]a few hundred years after rasulallah yes we may have earlier than

[30:19]bukhari like or earlier than qaeda like assahiba said judea for example

[30:26]but generally speaking when i imagine jesus alaihissalam and i want to

[30:32]think of jesus who is the one who has come with the

[30:37]bible i try and maybe compare it to the prophet peace be

[30:39]upon him and his family and i think well when the lord

[30:44]sends the message through the holy prophet the sower are not so

[30:50]are which is the opinion of the companions on the ministry of

[30:55]the prophet peace be upon him in his family yes it is

[31:00]not the opinion for example of a companion like ammar i have

[31:19]a gospel it's a good news it's giving me an understanding of

[31:25]the christian message but it's from somebody who may have picked up

[31:30]this message from eyewitnesses or testimonies of those before him and that's

[31:35]where you hear discussions of gospel q for example a gospel that

[31:39]seemingly is a gospel that is a source for the gospels that

[31:44]we have with us until today but can someone categorically state that

[31:49]every single person matthew mark luke and john can anybody in the

[31:53]christian world say all four of them were best friends with jesus

[31:55]and walked with jesus and talked with jesus nobody can say that

[32:00]it's a reality nobody can say this because of that therefore when

[32:04]you look at it you're looking at the bible you see matthew

[32:06]mark luke and john the first three known as the synoptics and

[32:10]then when you come to john you'll see a difference possibly in

[32:16]the way the message is constructed first three may talk about christ

[32:18]suffering of christ message of christ journey of christ history of christ

[32:22]and then maybe with john you move more towards the discussion of

[32:27]jesus god god jesus and then you come back and you'll see

[32:30]that for example of the authors one of them continues to write

[32:35]the book of acts allowing us to understand the spread of the

[32:38]christian message we said the old testament was made up of 39

[32:43]books the new testament is made up of how many books 27

[32:49]27 books 27 books are they authored by jesus and we say

[32:56]the quran is not authored by rasulullah we agree the quran is

[33:01]not authored by the holy prophet peace be upon his family but

[33:04]let's say the new testament is it authored by jesus no is

[33:09]it god who's authoring the new testament this is where a problem

[33:14]arises and while when i see sometimes on the internet i see

[33:18]muslims and christians bashing each other and kill each other no no

[33:20]it should be as simple as saying well this is where i

[33:22]may have a problem because for me when i'm looking at the

[33:25]bible that i have with me today and i'll go further into

[33:30]discussions of the text of the bible tomorrow in sha allah and

[33:33]to see what happens when you translate greek and georgian and slavonic

[33:36]and aramaic and so what happens when you translate these languages are

[33:41]there things lost in translation are there things which are added but

[33:46]for me the simple point is when i'm looking at the bible

[33:48]i have with me today and especially the new testament 27 books

[33:55]and i don't know how many of them are authored by that

[34:00]person a or is it attributed to that person and then b

[34:05]the next question i have a problem with is how does paul

[34:09]get half of them paul now this is not someone who's necessarily

[34:17]met christ but possibly on his way to syria he might have

[34:22]seen a vision and that vision really has an effect on him

[34:25]peter certainly doesn't like him that much doesn't he's not really his

[34:30]biggest fan but besides the point you see when i say peter

[34:34]and paul and they're not best friends a christian watching me in

[34:39]lebanon today somewhere in beirut or watching in the states many of

[34:44]them probably are following christianity and jed like many muslims are following

[34:48]islam and jailed it's not like you're following you because you really

[34:52]have gone deep into it if you were born in a christian

[34:55]family you said christian you were born a jewish family you want

[34:57]to say jewish but how does this new testament become a new

[35:02]testament where paul has half of it paul who is a convert

[35:09]and who also his background is a background of greece rather than

[35:13]let's say jerusalem and palestine and the hellenic influence will come to

[35:18]in our discussions but here what do we see we see that

[35:22]when i'm looking at the new testament and i want to reconstruct

[35:24]jesus son of mary and be fair in the next month or

[35:28]so i'm looking at paul and i'm seeing that he's giving these

[35:31]letters and sending these messages everywhere where did paul come into the

[35:34]equation religion sometimes is affected by people who come after the main

[35:42]man of the religion when the main man of the religion leaves

[35:46]this world you find people who join the who are part of

[35:49]the religion who suddenly start introducing innovations start changing that my opinion

[35:54]is this and my opinion is that and that's why the way

[35:57]we look at it is that we say that we don't understand

[36:00]before we get onto the issue of is that if i just

[36:06]look at it logically logically how is it that this new testament

[36:11]which is meant to be the lord's word or at the very

[36:16]least jesus's word has now become paul's whole haven and paul and

[36:21]his letters are going far and wide and yes someone might turn

[36:25]around to me and say well you could study the catholics and

[36:28]that universal message that comes with the catholics okay no problem but

[36:32]can you deny that half of this whole section which is meant

[36:37]to be a guidance for mankind comes from prophet paul not prophet

[36:41]jesus we should have called him prophet paul not saint paul and

[36:45]i will have my own discussion about paul and the forthcoming knights

[36:50]in sha allah so on the first level as a muslim the

[36:52]skepticism occurs here on the second level as a muslim i'll see

[36:59]that the argument also comes in the quran as i mentioned earlier

[37:02]that the quran mentions a sort of tahrif that takes place that

[37:08]when the quran mentions that they have distorted the kalima and moab

[37:16]so you see difference in surah 5 for example verse 13 and

[37:21]surah 5 41 that one of them says there's a distortion but

[37:25]it says that the distortion can come in two different ways and

[37:30]that's why was of the opinion that the distortion can either be

[37:35]a distortion in the original text or a distortion in interpretation simply

[37:43]because he said that's why there could be a difference of opinion

[37:52]here that when a person says there is taharif that's taken place

[37:55]that's a harif that's taken place in some cases maybe enough in

[38:01]some cases maybe interpretation now some people turn around muslims and non-muslims

[38:07]this is very important and they say that the bible we have

[38:12]with us today can still be seen as the original bible some

[38:16]of them say some of the bible some go virtually the whole

[38:21]thing some put the arguments some non-muslims of course they believe if

[38:24]a christian they believe that the bible with us today is original

[38:29]but there are some muslims who also come forward and say that

[38:31]allah subhanahu wa ta'ala gives the hint that the bible we have

[38:37]with us today is possibly original or parts of it is original

[38:40]someone says how you see in surat al maidah for example allah

[38:46]tells the people of the injeel so let the people of the

[38:58]bible judge by which allah has sent hold on if the bible

[39:00]has been changed how can they judge by which allah has been

[39:04]sent if someone wants to ask you you say the bible has

[39:06]been distorted the bible tahrif has been done you say yes from

[39:11]a young age we were taught that the reason the quran came

[39:14]is that the previous books have all been changed say why does

[39:18]allah say for example why does allah say let the people of

[39:24]the injeel judge through that which allah has sent let the people

[39:28]of the injil allah would not say that if the injeel had

[39:33]been changed because then you'll be like god you want me to

[39:37]judge by that which has been changed that ayah has been used

[39:41]on numerous occasions where people come forward and state that look the

[39:46]ayah is saying let the people of the injeel judge by what

[39:49]now you imagine you're living in medina when this ayah was being

[39:54]revealed in surat al-maidah and you're being told injeel let the people

[39:57]of the injil that means allah is telling you baba go to

[39:58]your injeel isn't that true if the injeel has been tampered with

[40:03]then how could i go to a book that's been tampered with

[40:07]allah you told me the quran is your work now you're telling

[40:12]me that's number one number two sometimes allah says you'll find this

[40:16]in the injeel where surah 48 verse number 29 of the quran

[40:22]someone says what you mean yep how could god tell me that

[40:51]the example of the companions of rasulallah can be found in the

[40:58]torah i said god hold on a minute i thought were false

[41:02]distorted changed you're telling me thirdly some people put forward the argument

[41:28]that these books can never be changed why because the quran says

[41:39]who nobody can change the words of allah look in surah younis

[41:46]verse number 64.

[41:48]quran says there is no changing to the word of allah if

[41:54]the torah and the injil are the words of allah as muslims

[41:57]profess allah says none can change my words it's a good argument

[42:01]in reality it's a good argument a muslim should not just say

[42:06]because my mom and dad don't believe in the injil i'm not

[42:08]going to believe no if allah says says and this is coming

[42:22]to a community of muslims living in medina and christians and jews

[42:24]live with them so how can i turn around and say the

[42:28]injil has been changed when allah is saying to me none can

[42:31]change my words further than that there are certain christians who are

[42:36]living amongst the muslims one christian for example who was highly praised

[42:41]in non-shia literature to the extent that they say he's the one

[42:48]who told the prophet yeah yeah you're a prophet yes non-shia would

[42:53]love to quote waraka bin no fuel why because wada kabin no

[42:57]fell with the prophet when he had an epileptic seizure as you

[43:00]do as a prophet of god masha allah when he had an

[43:04]epileptic seizure on the mountain when the revelation came comes back to

[43:06]his wife khadijah she's like you know what let's go to warakka

[43:08]let's see what he thinks i don't know what to say it's

[43:12]we should not let shaytan affect us so when he goes been

[43:17]no fell is meant to be one of those who's proficient in

[43:21]the injil proficient in the high possibly did he have a harmonized

[43:26]gospel of all of these different books which he had brought together

[43:32]which was in its origin and that's why some of the scholars

[43:34]believe that maybe maybe matthew mark luke and john is the only

[43:38]ones you can take but you cannot take the rest which paul

[43:40]maybe had an effect on there are some who conclude that you

[43:45]can go back and see the reliability of matthew mark luke and

[43:50]john and so therefore in tonight's lecture the opinion that was given

[43:53]according to some was that distortion to harif was of the what

[43:59]not of the text but of the interpretation of the text because

[44:04]they say if there's verses like all of these verses insha'allah tomorrow

[44:10]my dear brothers and sisters tomorrow night the reply to these verses

[44:15]and the proof that there are certain stories in the bible that

[44:18]were not there in the early manuscripts but certainly appear later but

[44:21]there are some who say there is no tahrif in the nas

[44:26]in the words of the bible the taharif has come in the

[44:29]meaning that there are some who when the quran says that there

[44:36]are those who come forward and they do what yakitori this is

[44:42]from the allah subhan which we write so that they achieve what

[44:45]in the end so that they can buy off or sell off

[44:50]themselves for a very poultry price they sell the words of allah

[44:56]they distort not maybe distort the word but distort the meaning what

[45:00]do we mean meaning that a person can reach a level where

[45:04]they do taharif not of the book but of the tafsir of

[45:08]what this verse means you sometimes have it as your disposal that

[45:14]you may be a particular scholar amongst the people of jesus but

[45:19]you know sometimes it was the scholars in the time of jesus

[45:24]who gave jesus the biggest headache in his life those who claimed

[45:28]to be proficient in the books of god were those who were

[45:30]giving opinions about the book of god to suit the people these

[45:37]people one may argue may be associated with the idea that the

[45:42]word of god unfortunately got changed in the way it was applied

[45:46]rather than the text let me give you an example in the

[45:50]time of the holy prophet peace be upon him and his family

[45:52]there was in his time a case where some one was caught

[45:58]committing adultery when they were caught about the adultery according to the

[46:01]law of the children of israel what was the punishment for adultery

[46:04]according you have to stone the adulteress so that law that existed

[46:11]had suddenly been reinterpreted in a different way what was the reinterpretation

[46:15]look at what tahrif occurs in the in the in the tafsir

[46:23]not taharif in enough according to that particular school they say that

[46:28]what they did was that they said that this particular stoning only

[46:33]applies to the poor if a poor lady commits adultery then she

[46:40]used to be stoned if a poor man commits adultery to be

[46:44]stoned but the rich of the community cannot be touched this should

[46:52]have not affect the noble men and the noble woman of the

[46:57]community rasulullah is eternalizing but listen it's written in the books because

[47:02]you know in their books we all believe in the idea that

[47:04]life for a life eye for an eye truth for a truth

[47:08]knows for a nose and that forgiveness is better the quran affirms

[47:11]some of the things that have been written in the previous literature

[47:15]though the prophet said but stoning it doesn't matter they're rich or

[47:21]poor he went to one of the scholars of the community he

[47:25]said to him what is your opinion on this he said no

[47:28]if they're rich family leave them and that's why amongst the rich

[47:34]zinner went higher and higher why because you've begun to do taharif

[47:38]of the mana not of the text whoever the text says for

[47:40]you that do not commit a sin do not even go near

[47:44]committing a sin even looking with your eyes is a sin even

[47:47]that is adultery then you can play about and say well yes

[47:50]amongst the poor for example but amongst the rich no the rich

[47:56]are not to be touched the rich are not to be affected

[47:58]that may be a way in which a person may look at

[48:04]tahrir that there can be a distortion that could have occurred with

[48:08]the torah in which way and that those 70 who were with

[48:10]moses may have ended up turning around and changing some of the

[48:14]meanings of the message it may have happened with jesus on the

[48:17]one hand clearly we discussed how is it that we've reached a

[48:20]stage where a book that is meant to come with jesus becomes

[48:22]paul's book at the end where paul who has never met christ

[48:26]except in vision suddenly becomes the dominant figure and that peter and

[48:32]james and everybody else is all of a sudden sidelined for some

[48:35]reason so you found that that tariff could occur and that's why

[48:39]the holy prophet was hurt by this the idea that someone could

[48:42]be stoned if they are poor but if they are rich you

[48:48]are not meant to touch them did he accept such a thing

[48:49]the holy prophet no not at all rather the quran had come

[48:54]and it said that there has to be a sufficient number of

[48:56]witnesses who witness the same thing at the same time why because

[48:59]it should never be easy for you to take out such punishments

[49:03]on a person or an individual truly a lie for a life

[49:07]an eye for an eye truth or a truth knows for a

[49:11]nose but forgiveness is better that if you have a difference of

[49:13]opinion with somebody you should never reach a stage where you pelt

[49:17]that person with stones or you should never reach a stage where

[49:21]you take out your venom on that person these sights even of

[49:27]the pelting with stones you find that certain scholars would look at

[49:30]them and say maybe at that time that was a punishment but

[49:34]not something for today the world has changed and such things should

[49:37]never happen and no one should watch another person get punished in

[49:40]this way if it's difficult for a person to see their loved

[49:46]ones pelted with a stone how difficult was it for zainab when

[49:52]she saw imam al-hussein riding his horse in the middle of thousands

[49:57]of men on the 10th of muharram a person who commits dinner

[50:02]they could put their hands up and say that i have committed

[50:04]a sin i've hurt a family i've hurt a community i ask

[50:08]you the grandson of rasulullah i ask you which sin did the

[50:13]grandson of the prophet commit for him to be thirsty in the

[50:19]middle of that many soldiers with no one there to look after

[50:24]him his brothers had all passed away one by one and his

[50:28]sons and all his beloved soldiers were not with him anymore he

[50:33]tried to fight valiantly amongst all these men all of a sudden

[50:41]while riding his horse a rock pelted the holy forehead of a

[50:47]bar abdillah and then an arrow struck his forehead at the same

[50:53]time he was lying on the ground and no one was there

[50:56]to look after him he stayed there many came some came and

[51:03]kicked his body others came and hit his face then all of

[51:07]a sudden a christian man he said i walked towards the body

[51:12]of abba i saw the mark of the stone on his forehead

[51:16]many of us were asked go and behead hussain the son of

[51:22]ali when we'd come near him we'd see a light shining from

[51:27]his face but blood pouring from his face he said i came

[51:31]near his head about to behead the deck he said when i

[51:39]got closer i heard some whispering from the lips from the dry

[51:45]lips of abba abdullah he said i came closer to him i

[51:49]heard him he said to me o christian man do you love

[51:54]a mary and the son of mary said of course i do

[52:01]he said o christian man i am hussein the son of the

[52:07]daughter that man said i became affected how could a man who

[52:12]loves god and loves jesus and loves mary be alone on the

[52:14]ground in this way but little [Music] his companions and his followers

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