PAKISTAN SPECIAL | Sayed Ammar reveals all on Imran Khan, Allama Talib Johri, Khaak-e-Shifaa & More!

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[0:02][Music] thank you assalamualaikum everyone Channel images so let's start let's introduce

[0:54]here how are you okay so tonight we discuss you and Pakistan

[0:57]right so can you please tell me like how's your relation begin

[1:00]with Pakistan yeah the relationship begun with Pakistan when you've been raised

[1:08]in the UK then you're gonna meet half of the Pakistani world

[1:12]because if you look in Birmingham you're looking Bradford you look in

[1:16]Manchester and you look in London you can't but help see that

[1:23]there are restaurants uh with Pakistani food you've got of course communities

[1:29]which are very well established uh Pakistani communities from maybe the 60s

[1:34]even the 50s 60s 70s you know some of the oldest mosques

[1:37]in the UK were established by members of the Pakistani community at

[1:41]school you have friends who are Pakistani and our community in London

[1:46]was really a community that was made up of Iraqis Lebanese pakistanis

[1:52]a few converts here and there and when you're such small Muslim

[1:59]communities you get to become closer to one another I think some

[2:03]of my closest friends at school or at college were from Pakistan

[2:08]certainly going into University where I established a lot of good relations

[2:14]with people from the Pakistani Community even you know parts of Pakistani

[2:18]culture you know like Cricket is so huge uh in Pakistan and

[2:24]I see um you know I see at school the Pakistani boys

[2:27]are the best cricketers you know you play a bit of cricket

[2:29]yourself but never going to be anywhere near as good as them

[2:33]uh but then you grow up enjoying such a sport so you

[2:38]know it wasn't just the religious of the Pakistani community that I

[2:41]had relations with it was also people who became friends of mine

[2:45]through Sports through interaction through studies and so on yeah to say

[2:52]it reminds me Cricket you met Imran Khan and general commissions and

[2:56]Islamabad so how is your experience yeah Imran Khan without a doubt

[3:01]um as as a figure that I've followed for many years for

[3:08]different reasons um I think originally in the early 90s when Pakistan

[3:13]won the World Cup you know Imran Khan was the face of

[3:18]that victory there were of course others such as you know Western

[3:22]Akram and in zamama and the others of that team were very

[3:29]strong but you know Imran was that leader who everyone looked up

[3:32]to I think everyone in Pakistan would not look at Imran Khan

[3:35]as a cricketer rather they'd look at him as like an actor

[3:41]you know he had the looks which everybody would see as like

[3:44]the looks of a prince um and then he ends up marrying

[3:53]someone who is very close to Royal aristocracy and so there's so

[3:58]many aspects of Imran which I have lived through and there are

[4:02]others in my family as well of my friends who've all heard

[4:08]of Imran so when Imran then enters politics you know it's this

[4:12]fascinating thing this Oxford graduate captain of the Pakistani cricket team who's

[4:18]then been working hard on the political scene for so many years

[4:22]without achieving the success that he wants and then of course he

[4:29]gets there and when he gets there he wants to have this

[4:31]new Pakistan he wants to see that changes are made and I

[4:38]remember when I publicly supported him on my social media there were

[4:41]a lot of members in the community who were like why are

[4:43]you supporting him uh you know you don't you know that he

[4:47]is I think they were saying that he's you know patan and

[4:52]he's anti-shiyani apparently praised you know more AWI and some lecture I

[4:56]was like I can't see him run discussing more how we are

[4:59]in a lecture it's just like Imran Khan discussing early Islamic history

[5:03]the most I could see him do in my own opinion before

[5:08]I've met him is um probably talk about Sufism or something you

[5:12]know which in Pakistan I think when you don't want to be

[5:16]in trouble you just become Sophie so you don't want to be

[5:19]sunny don't be shy just like I'm Sophie I'm cool I'm modern

[5:23]and I can still look liberal um I think that's the that's

[5:27]the Imran that I eventually met you know um all credit goes

[5:31]to zolfi bukhare it would never have happened where not for the

[5:35]fact that of course zulfi is so close to Imran and that's

[5:40]you know zulfi is one of the people I've seen who has

[5:42]an unbelievable passion for his country he really cares about their future

[5:50]some people were saying well zulfi bukhari is this person who's made

[5:58]so much in London or abroad he has and if you are

[6:00]that comfortable why would you want to come back to Pakistan and

[6:05]try and help in your country and unless you had that love

[6:07]and zulfi did have that love zulfi was with Imran throughout the

[6:10]campaigns and the first time I I met Imran zolfi had organized

[6:14]for me to meet Imran Dubai I met him running away briefly

[6:20]um and then I was invited to speak on what was known

[6:25]as the conference Mercy to the world's conference um you know the

[6:35]prophet peace be upon his family as we know in the Quran

[6:40]is known as the Mercy to Mankind and I've been invited by

[6:42]zulfi who was going through quite a difficult time when he invited

[6:46]me and he said look prime minister wants you to speak I

[6:51]when I knew that is such a close friend of mine I

[6:58]promised you my knee yeah going there was to hang out with

[7:03]my friend I didn't know what the general Convention Center was I

[7:06]didn't know you know how big the general Convention Center was I'll

[7:10]go I'll give this talk yes it's an honor to give a

[7:13]talk in the presence of the you know the Prime Minister and

[7:16]so on but it was more of an honor to be representing

[7:21]of course the prophet peace be upon his family wake up that

[7:25]morning again I have not seen this place normally if I lecture

[7:28]for example at an Imam Bargo or at a Moscow I already

[7:31]know how it looks like I haven't got a clue how the

[7:35]you know General Convention Center looks like but I'm telling you when

[7:40]you walk in and you're like wow this is one big hole

[7:44]and not only is it big but it's got all these Muslims

[7:46]of different shapes and sizes and colors and I'm on the main

[7:50]table you know and you've got Maulana so-and-so there Maulana there's an

[7:55]ambassador and here I am and I went up to give what

[8:02]was only a 15 minute or so speech and um it was

[8:06]it was a great feeling to look across and see you know

[8:08]the prime minister um you know looking at you when you're speaking

[8:14]it was a great feeling to receive a standing ovation um by

[8:21]different ministers that day and and I felt the message had hit

[8:28]home let's stop condemning non-muslims to hell and concentrates on getting ourselves

[8:32]into Jannah and then finally when you want to see the final

[8:38]piece of rahma towards our enemies it's not easy to be merciful

[8:42]towards one's enemy our ego gets in the way our arrogance gets

[8:47]in the way we live in a world of tit for touch

[8:48]we live in a world where we want to cut people off

[8:52]but you found the greatest example of Mercy ever to be shown

[8:56]was when he became victorious in Mecca Abu sufyan his arch enemy

[9:03]was alive you had people like safwan binomaya you had people like

[9:07]Sophia you had people like the one who cuts open his uncle

[9:15]on the day of yet the holy prophet looks that's all of

[9:17]them people were expecting the holy prophet to kill them because they

[9:20]thought that because they're his enemies he's gonna finish them but he

[9:26]said no today is today is the day of Mercy today is

[9:29]the day where I show all of you that true power is

[9:33]not using it it's to hold back from using it when you

[9:39]can use it I can use power but I won't because more

[9:42]beautiful in the eyes of Allah is when I use rahma instead

[9:48]of using Force insha Allah if all of us begin to implement

[9:52]into our lives then we'll see a healthier Pakistan and in my

[10:00]humble opinion every generation there is a source of rahma the holy

[10:04]prophet was the first his Elder one after the other and even

[10:07]every generation since then and you are fortunate to have a prime

[10:13]minister like Imran Khan and you're fortunate to have a minister of

[10:17]religious Affairs like Dr qadri don't abuse this rahma make use of

[10:21]it thank you I had dinner with Imran and that was a

[10:30]great feeling he lives in this wonderful house and uh and it

[10:36]wasn't you know you you entered this house and you're like I'm

[10:40]gonna actually sit and have dinner with you know Imran Khan is

[10:44]an amazing feeling and then you're singing you're thinking you know I've

[10:47]got some things I want to ask him about but he went

[10:50]in into asking me questions because you probably thinking listen if this

[10:52]guy's a mawlana he must answer my questions you know why are

[10:56]you here and and he begun to um he began to ask

[11:00]me questions about the Quran versus in the Quran how I would

[11:04]look at certain readings certain intellectuals in in Muslim history and you

[11:09]know how do we look at these intellectual figures um had the

[11:13]most unbelievable gold Curry you can ever have it was great food

[11:17]honestly and the problem is when you're when you're in my position

[11:19]you pretty much have to talk while you're eating because people are

[11:23]asking you questions and that was one of the few times in

[11:26]my life I just wanted everything just to pause and me just

[11:30]to eat because the food was amazing and it was great discussions

[11:36]that night we discussed um religion politics um Sports Cricket I had

[11:42]to discuss with him because I was a cricket fan and uh

[11:46]and yeah it was it was one of the best experiences I've

[11:48]ever had in my life and I pray that he he gets

[11:53]better after the recent shootings and so on mentioned that you had

[11:56]a dinner with him and so you discussed about the sports and

[11:58]everything so did he ask you like who's your favorite Sportsman like

[12:02]who's your favorite bowler and batsman is 92 and like now who's

[12:06]your favorite like Batman and Boulder well I asked him who he

[12:09]thought was the best batsman and who he thought were the best

[12:12]bowlers and some conversations are meant to be kept uh private because

[12:17]I don't know how much you know he really wants me to

[12:19]reveal about his opinions so but I do remember vividly who he

[12:24]thought was the best batsman who he thought was the best bowler

[12:29]which batsman he felt had a lot of potential but didn't achieve

[12:33]it which batsman in particular he fell would score a lot of

[12:36]runs but when his country didn't need him to leave the viewers

[12:42]to guess who those could be you ask me my you know

[12:49]best batsman for me with Richards um without a doubt and then

[12:53]closely followed by you know the likes of Lara [Music] Tendulkar and

[13:01]so on and and then you don't mind me saying tendulka do

[13:05]you guys okay yeah okay just we don't want to cause any

[13:07]Pakistan in the attentions here in terms of Bowlers you know I

[13:14]think nuwaseem was simple becomes ahead of the Australian and the West

[13:24]Indian lot you know so you know I think someone was telling

[13:28]me Wasim has 18 different variations of of a ball which he

[13:33]balls which is absolutely phenomenal but I just remember you know coming

[13:38]in he's coming in left arm and his face he's these batsman

[13:40]facing they don't know if that Ball's going to come back on

[13:42]them it's gonna you know go off on one and I think

[13:47]you know you maybe I would personally just maybe put him um

[13:51]ahead of someone like um you know Malcolm Marshall in terms of

[13:56]you know the greatest yeah you see great right arm fasts in

[14:00]Pakistan history um but I think what team had dispelled where if

[14:07]he was on you you could not breathe you can't get out

[14:11]because you know that he's he's got you trapped that's also another

[14:14]dream of mine that you know I met Imran Khan I'd love

[14:19]to me uh was see him I I lectured in India and

[14:20]I was very close to meeting election in Bangalore and I was

[14:24]close to meeting uh Rahul dravid because Rahul dravid is from Bangalore

[14:28]but I wasn't living I was not staying far from Sachin tendulka

[14:32]um so yeah it'll be great to me all of these guys

[14:36]but I'm sure people you know people are baffled out I have

[14:41]knowledge about Cricket but it's you know I for years you grow

[14:44]up in the UK you're used to one days and five days

[14:47]and Lords is of course seen as the home um of cricket

[14:51]so yeah that was a great night you know being in the

[14:55]presence of a prime minister And discussing life with him it was

[14:59]it was really really cool yeah as you know so much about

[15:04]the cricket so do you play cricket in your free time nah

[15:06]you know I don't have any free time to tell you the

[15:09]truth but you know you you dabbled with that at school and

[15:12]that was at most you know you're never going to be someone

[15:15]you guys are sometimes born with it you know you've got you

[15:20]and the West Indians and you know the Indians and the Australians

[15:23]you're born with it us guys I'm Iraqi oh my God what

[15:28]do you think I'm gonna bowl a googly or I'm gonna come

[15:30]right arm fast you know it's not gonna come naturally it's odd

[15:37]good batting stunts that I think I can't have uh best no

[15:40]no nothing that I took any further than that yeah I think

[15:44]like you should a little bit learned like how to play cricket

[15:46]because as you know you have so much knowledge about the cricket

[15:48]so what you do in your free time so what do I

[15:52]do in my free time well I suppose I'm not going to

[15:57]mention everything that I do in my free time what do I

[15:59]do in your free time really you want to try and go

[16:03]to the gym keep yourself healthy listen when you're eating biryanis and

[16:07]pies and Naharis and God knows curries and you're just you're eating

[16:12]food of every when you invite someone's house as a Maulana or

[16:16]as a speaker you've literally got the whole family staring at you

[16:20]to see if you're eating or no foreign literally the whole family

[16:25]it's not like one person in the family if if you haven't

[16:27]eaten enough that means the food's not nice if you've eaten too

[16:32]much why didn't he that much yesterday if you didn't like if

[16:34]you do like it well how comes you're not that hungry bottom

[16:38]line you gotta sign up for a gym because um you know

[16:43]there's some cultures Lebanese for example Lebanese their culture is always the

[16:47]chicken is like virtually polished as they give it to you Pakistani

[16:52]will look at that and say this blunt where's the flavors the

[16:56]indoor pack subcontinence food is amazing if you've got time to visit

[17:01]the bathroom a few hours later it really is amazing it's rich

[17:04]it's it's delicious the flavors are unbelievable free time again we go

[17:10]back to the gym um hang out with friends you know um

[17:13]there's no I don't think there's any High different fact that I

[17:18]enjoy my my shisha and I enjoy having a good smoke and

[17:21]um going to watch my football club play you know as everyone

[17:25]knows I'm a big Liverpool fan and anytime I get to watch

[17:29]them home and away not just going up to watch Liverpool I

[17:32]don't know how much of this you can relate to but you

[17:36]know it's imagine you following I don't know your cricket team everywhere

[17:39]we've I actually now with the World Cup and everything and everyone's

[17:42]been watching the world cup doesn't do it for me like the

[17:48]Premiership does it for me uh so that's there as well uh

[17:50]just generally that you love traveling you love you know the odd

[17:56]bit of shopping that you want to do and kick back and

[17:58]you like any other person um just because you're someone who people

[18:03]see on the religious field does not mean that you also have

[18:07]your private life you also have your hobbies you also have your

[18:11]interests and you've hung out with me before you know you've seen

[18:14]how I like to kick back the odd Netflix you know what's

[18:18]on Netflix you know I'm not gonna sit there and say oh

[18:20]I'm a mawlana I don't watch Netflix no I I definitely watch

[18:24]Netflix I want to know what the great movies are out now

[18:26]so pretty much everything else everyone would do yeah so as you

[18:30]mentioned like uh you love like Pakistani foods and habits so which

[18:34]is your favorite station especially in Pakistani food favorite dish in the

[18:40]Pakistan I like you know oh God the beef Curry is nice

[18:46]yeah I love beef curry chicken pakistanis have got like a million

[18:50]varieties of chicken one minute it's yellow then it goes a bit

[18:52]red then it's spicy there's oily it's not that oily it's I

[18:56]don't know if even I don't know what the names are of

[18:57]them because you give up eventually on what the names are you

[19:02]know in the winter Pie as needed yeah like it's a real

[19:07]it's a real man's dish um like like if you're in Toronto

[19:14]in December January stick that pile on that body needs it don't

[19:18]get me wrong the ones who are having it for breakfast I

[19:21]don't understand that that's that that's vicious um we have a friend

[19:26]of us who you know he has it for brunch or something

[19:30]but then again the halwa Puri thing for breakfast what's going on

[19:33]there like that's definitely no intention to have a six-pack in your

[19:36]life at that time in the morning like you're just looking at

[19:41]it there's there's a shop in Bradford called uh the sweet store

[19:45]or sweet house well I forgot its name they were having nahari

[19:48]and Pie and these are from the morning I'm gonna have a

[19:53]nahari I'm gonna have it like after 7 P.M Biryani as well

[19:58]straight ambulance job a few hours later but at the time it

[20:03]tastes amazing uh but those yogurts when they mix with those flavors

[20:06]my God so yeah there's a lot to talk about in Pakistani

[20:11]food goats goats goats go is amazing roast roast of the of

[20:16]the you know lamb can also go well as well there's so

[20:22]much that we could talk about but yeah all those foods are

[20:24]are top yeah so as you know so much like Pakistan about

[20:29]the Pakistan and Pakistani food and but we uh I saw your

[20:35]pictures yes so how you met him like and what's your experience

[20:37]like he said to me something amazing he said my grandfather was

[20:42]his teacher in najaf I did not know this that Allah he

[20:48]was a student of my grandfather how small the world is you

[20:52]know my grandfather being a renowned scholar and najaf and and and

[20:56]to me someone like Allah was a huge honor you know he's

[21:02]someone who's what I think would people would regard as second to

[21:06]Rashid tarabi when it comes to Great uh Pakistani speakers um I

[21:15]told I told his son Riaz I said to him um your

[21:19]dad smokes my home my home used to smoke a lot um

[21:24]I said sort of he look he smokes and I smoke Shisha

[21:27]so if he's gonna be smoking I want to smoke a shisha

[21:30]and they got me a shisha and here's a llama sitting with

[21:34]his cigarette and here I'm staying with my shisha and I was

[21:37]in a T-shirt and jeans and Alabama was just like such a

[21:41]chilled guy he clearly the illness was getting to him you know

[21:43]sadly it wasn't surprising that he passed away shortly after because you

[21:48]could tell that his body was taking its toll but to be

[21:51]someone like him you know you hear the stories of him giving

[21:56]majalis and nishta park in Karachi in front of thousands and you

[21:59]know him having the main lecture and here you come and see

[22:01]him and you see this very jolly man who feels like he's

[22:06]your granddad we had a great conversation and we had discussions concerning

[22:10]certain historical topics um which he had his opinion on I had

[22:16]my opinion on and it was it was such a great feeling

[22:18]knowing that I um the I am in the presence of a

[22:27]man like Johari but that he is happy to see me as

[22:28]well you know I wasn't I was in my 30s at the

[22:33]time and and here I am with the Salam and he's he's

[22:37]happy to see me and he's happy to see what I've achieved

[22:42]in in this period I think it's it's a lovely point because

[22:45]those are the people whose opinions you care about let's be frank

[22:50]um there's a lot of people who have opinions in this world

[22:53]who really shouldn't have one they should stick to their day jobs

[22:58]you know and um and I think when when you're sitting with

[22:59]an Alama and he has an opinion and the Allama respects you

[23:05]and values you encourages you that is who you care about you

[23:08]know um so he is an institution in Pakistan an institution in

[23:16]Shia oratory and magellis and so on and so forth and may

[23:21]God bless his soul you know he's severely missed I think people

[23:24]in Pakistan feel that he's severely missed as well yeah so uh

[23:29]as Pakistani and you visit in Pakistan as well you is it

[23:31]Karachi you with Islam but then you give the lecture as well

[23:34]so how was your experience to getting elected in Karachi and Islamabad

[23:37]so is there any difference between Islamabad or you oh there's there's

[23:41]nothing that comes near Karachi in my genius does nothing you can't

[23:46]hear yourself when you're doing massage it's it's too loud the salawat

[23:52]causes Goosebumps and that's me I lectured in Karachi the first time

[24:00]election Karachi I was invited to lecture in a house modulus um

[24:07]and that was an unbelievable experience but then when I lectured that

[24:16]yesterday in in Karachi and the defense area and uh this was

[24:22]like I think towards the end of Muharram like 27th mohadram or

[24:30]something driving there to this modulus all I'm seeing is people in

[24:34]droves walking towards us and I'm thinking if this is 27th what's

[24:36]it like on the first ashla it must be like the most

[24:41]amazing experience in the world to be able to lecture in Karachi

[24:44]in the first ashra of the month of Muharram and um I

[24:48]remember walking in there's the side office obvious where the Brigadier is

[24:52]there and and I think the Brigadier was thinking firstly probably looked

[24:58]at me and thought this is a Maulana um and then secondly

[25:01]I think uh I think he was absolutely baffled how there's so

[25:05]many people for English because the idea was always that this is

[25:10]original only you don't talk English and then I think he's noticed

[25:16]that look there's so many people who've turned up uh who is

[25:20]this guy you know what's going on when you're giving you a

[25:23]lecture then I gave I think three or four nights there it's

[25:26]the most amazing experience in the world um salawat you're just like

[25:32]wow how loud it is but you can't hear yourself because people

[25:37]are crying so loudly and then when you come out of the

[25:39]Medalist and you're you know you're escorted by five six bulletproof stroke

[25:44]bomb proof cars and people are because of their love they're all

[25:49]trying to talk to you and you know you feel a bit

[25:53]embarrassed and guilty that you can't talk to everybody the love I

[25:56]have for Pakistan is something um which is unique and those are

[26:04]the experiences that made this love increase to get people in Pakistan

[26:13]continuously writing to me you mentioned Karachi Islam about people from Lahore

[26:19]people from Kashmir and gilgate Beluga stuff like that they write to

[26:23]me in the thousands sending salons and many of these places I

[26:26]don't even know speak English that well I know that the main

[26:28]hubs like your Islamabad and Karachi maybe but these other areas where

[26:33]people speak English so well and are following you on YouTube and

[26:37]sending you thousands upon thousands of messages that you know what we

[26:40]we love this lecture we benefit please come please come please come

[26:44]it's the best feeling in the world you know I feel the

[26:47]love from Pakistan um throughout my life um Islamabad was a bit

[26:53]quieter than Karachi I think Karachi is the main Hub of magellas

[26:56]in Pakistan of course marring if you go to the Punjab area

[26:59]which I don't think they necessarily have English magellas as such um

[27:05]generally so it was the most amazing experience and it's one that

[27:09]I'll never forget you know there's a group of guys there um

[27:12]you know we had a nickname for us which was like Hotel

[27:16]California but it was a group of guys who came together and

[27:18]they just wanted to see that a generation of theirs and younger

[27:23]who watch films in English and traveled to Western countries can feel

[27:28]that the person they're listening to is someone they could relate to

[27:31]um and so yeah those years were absolutely amazing man it's if

[27:37]you haven't lecture in Karachi then you have an experience of Hussain

[27:42]are Karachi Mumbai these places when they are on fire honestly as

[27:48]a speaker it's the most amazing experience I'm so happy to see

[27:50]there's a a number a big number of sunnis who were coming

[27:55]to my imaginis as well you know it wasn't just Shia only

[27:57]uh people uh were coming because they felt that they could learn

[28:01]I hope that this is the way Pakistan moves forward you know

[28:03]where you're able to learn from one another as it was if

[28:07]we were to go back 40 years or so see during lecture

[28:11]like because in Pakistan if you during majalis if you say like

[28:14]really good thing or something so people really appreciate you as well

[28:17]so yeah but you receive so much power during modulus or no

[28:21]yeah I've had an interesting uh relationship with Wawa because um yeah

[28:25]there's nothing like one of Pakistani goes and you know you feel

[28:29]it because it's so different to the Arab culture the Arab culture

[28:32]if the point is good you'll someone will say subhanallah or you

[28:36]might have someone Shout salawat but in Pakistan once those Wawas begin

[28:40]yeah they they gonna fight sometimes when they're doing those war was

[28:46]you then go deeper into your point when you maybe shouldn't because

[28:48]you might get yourself in trouble but because the crowd is saying

[28:50]go on you know uh I think I have this interesting relationship

[28:53]where sometimes people are a bit scared to interrupt me in my

[28:56]lecture so they're like I want to do not hide at it

[29:00]badly now but what if he gives me that stare of death

[29:05]you know um I'm not meaning that's there of death and I

[29:07]have no problem with someone doing another I believe NADA is like

[29:12]the buzz of a modulus it's the heart of a modulus I

[29:14]have you know full respect for those who do not look at

[29:19]the end of the day we all are loversalam and we all

[29:23]are trying to protect their message we may have different opinions on

[29:27]certain areas but ultimately we all adore 14 personalities and we want

[29:32]those personalities names to be at the heart of our closeness and

[29:35]getting to Allah so yeah but look some of these Wawas it's

[29:40]very hard to concentrate as well when these Wawas are going you

[29:45]know in your face when a person's like just going like that

[29:47]to you and inside you're like focus focus focus why are there

[29:50]like 50 people literally jumping and going like that to you at

[29:54]the same time as I said it is it is the most

[29:58]unique spectacle now Pakistani imaginess anywhere is unique but in Pakistan it's

[30:02]even more unique foreign there was a number of different narras that

[30:13]I've heard in my lecture in Korea so obviously but then I've

[30:21]heard all of the narras possible yeah yeah it's it's something else

[30:28]so I think like you can uh in Iraq you can just

[30:29]tell them okay so these NADA they can use in your muscle

[30:33]is asking right I think yeah I'm gonna tell them this is

[30:34]by the way you say that I don't know if you noticed

[30:39]but Shia voice there were there were certain Iraqis who were shouting

[30:44]so now the Iraqis are doing what the pakistanis were so famous

[30:49]for the indo-packed subcontinent was really famous for the Iraqis I think

[30:55]at the beginning means fire in Arabic NADA means fire so people

[31:04]always would ask this question what does not is it is because

[31:08]again in the indo-pack subconscious sometimes the pronunciation is not exact in

[31:15]Arabic whatever it is it just gives a real Buzz to the

[31:22]crowd the remembrance so I will never forget them because it was

[31:28]new to me now of course when I see another word I'm

[31:32]used to and I know when someone doesn't matter you tell him

[31:35]another one do another one you know do another one but when

[31:39]the first time when I used to see you I was like

[31:42]what what are you doing now you get used to it yeah

[31:48]so say it people want to know as well like you involved

[31:51]in one really controversy selling partnership in London so what was the

[31:56]background of this well I don't need to really elaborate on it

[31:59]too much I think look the one who doesn't like you anyway

[32:03]whatever excuses you give him um he'll never like you I mean

[32:09]it used to be very clear if you give the whole of

[32:12]Dunya to my enemy for him to love me won't love me

[32:15]me having to explain these things there's no need at all in

[32:19]all honesty go to karbala see how many kakashafas are being sold

[32:24]in shops and I think that should be sufficient for you um

[32:28]at the end of the day if you want to doubt my

[32:30]knee or my service to a little bait you're a free human

[32:35]being and if you already have problems with me on other things

[32:37]and you just want to pick issues then you know you're free

[32:41]to do so on my part as long as we've had discussions

[32:45]with the merger that we follow namely and no issues whatsoever there's

[32:50]no need to then elaborate any any further on these things main

[32:54]thing is that we get closer to Allah um and that's That

[33:00]Should Be Our intention yeah we saw your program sheer wise and

[33:06]it's like a really massive program and people are really liking it

[33:09]so so so who's like uh it's time like how is it

[33:13]started and uh what's background of this program so why you start

[33:15]this program yeah so uh originally a few years back I had

[33:19]thought about whether we could do a show where okay you know

[33:28]how you saw uh Britain's Got Talent or you had pop Idol

[33:32]so those shows were trying to showcase the talent that people had

[33:38]in the in that particular country for example I felt that in

[33:45]giving majalis around the world I had met many people who were

[33:50]good no hakans but never got a chance or good Quran recites

[33:55]but they never got the chance and I felt that there needed

[34:02]to be something done which was Modern fun um and in line

[34:09]with the religion where we were able to Showcase this Talent and

[34:16]alhamdulillah TV had a similar vision and that when I discussed this

[34:25]Vision originally with and with Mustafa Saeed we had discussed this Vision

[34:36]together and we had ideas about how we could do it um

[34:39]in their case they had also seen how in karbala there was

[34:43]a show called wajihan Bill Hussein where they would get a no-hachan

[34:46]to recite and when this no hakan would recite there would be

[34:49]judges who would be seeing and judging me and that's why when

[34:53]it's very interesting when people saw us do this in the west

[34:59]they're like look Western Castle West Allah [Music] so when we sat

[35:18]together and we discussed how we'd go about it at the beginning

[35:21]of course the idea it wasn't just for nohas the idea was

[35:25]also for Quran recital the idea was therefore Dua reciters the idea

[35:31]was there for poets the idea was therefore lecturers so unlike the

[35:36]one in harak which was purely nashida no hakan and Martian and

[35:44]and um and so on this one was for lectures for Dua

[35:47]reciters for every different field in which you could serve the path

[35:50]of Allah and the teachings alhamdulillah we managed to get brilliant judges

[35:59]you know um I remember to my left next to me sent

[36:05]me some habas and said Jalan masumi you know you got Quran

[36:08]recitals knows myself giving majalis we all could give our expertise about

[36:15]voice and oratory in speech and structure and content and I learned

[36:18]so much the guys around me I felt were were brilliant and

[36:22]the response was unbelievable she always became the biggest ever media production

[36:28]in the Shiite world it was phenomenal Toronto London Pakistan India wherever

[36:37]you went in the world people were watching and were glued to

[36:40]see our voice in the holy month of Ramadan and now you

[36:41]know Insha'Allah season two um you know there's a lot to expect

[36:48]I think it's gonna it's gonna go amazing so you work with

[36:51]like misama boss as a judge in this program so how was

[36:55]your experience with being Summer Bus also how is his personal life

[36:58]through because you spent a really good time with him yes yes

[37:00]and me some was great alhamdulillah you know he is passionate about

[37:04]his service um in the past of Allah and the path of

[37:07]the religion of Islam um he had actually invited me to give

[37:13]a lecture many years back at his Center and it might not

[37:16]have been a customer at that time but it became alhamdulillah something

[37:20]that worked when it came to the show um and I think

[37:25]you know send me some at the beginning he was unsure like

[37:28]others you know what exactly we're gonna have to do and what

[37:31]do you want us to judge and how do you judge an

[37:34]azadar and you know sometimes people say you know these are as

[37:36]adults you can't give judgments who are we to judge how do

[37:40]I even know my Aza is being accepted all I know is

[37:42]that I can give guidance which I wish I had when I

[37:48]first started giving magellas I give the guidance for somebody who might

[37:50]want to give them a childish who might want to recite who

[37:52]might want to do a no-ha and um and you know the

[37:57]others of course give their guidance in their areas of expertise it

[38:01]made some really continue to develop brilliantly on that show you know

[38:08]you've seen him when he picks up a mic um he's got

[38:10]this great talent that I've been honored to know a number of

[38:15]no hakans you know in in Pakistan who are good friends of

[38:17]mine you know Nadeem is a good friend of mine said Nadeem

[38:24]and Mir Hassan Mir and of course Farhan ali um you know

[38:29]I can name others as well who I've had the honor of

[38:34]being around and Poets as well who I knew some alive some

[38:37]who've passed away that rich culture continues and Charlotte said me some

[38:41]will continue to make sure that there are more and more coming

[38:47]through who go down in his path so yeah I want to

[38:49]ask you one more thing uh as you mentioned always in your

[38:51]lecture about the hijab and everything so some people saw you in

[38:56]a wedding so it's like like uh everyone is together like males

[38:58]and females so what do you want to say about this because

[39:00]you always mentioned like hijab is really important but you are there

[39:03]oh yeah yeah we were there was uh mixed wedding in Pakistani

[39:08]most weddings in Pakistan tend to be mixed uh you know you

[39:10]can have a wedding hall which is just your family you know

[39:14]which is not unusual and I was dead I was asked to

[39:19]recite Anika and um and the reality is that in Pakistan you

[39:24]have people who wear hijab and who don't it's their wedding whether

[39:30]it's [Music] I think even the hijab in Pakistani culture is literally

[39:35]seen as culture in some cases not even religion and that is

[39:37]not a generalization there are many Pakistani ladies whose hijab is immaculate

[39:43]but there are some who just see it culturally and therefore in

[39:49]that wedding you're not there to say hey you you you you

[39:51]you don't yes get out seemed like the mawlana clearly had um

[39:56]another engagement to go to as I found out from the groom

[40:01]and at the mawlana therefore had a bit of a back and

[40:02]forth with the groom had nothing to do with me but like

[40:05]anything if you want to get someone in trouble or in difficult

[40:09]because you don't like them you could just get a video clip

[40:10]of anything and spread it and say when it had nothing to

[40:14]do with me because I think people tried to say that somehow

[40:18]the mawlana left because he was against mixed Gathering so what was

[40:24]he doing there he's there and he's sitting so if he before

[40:28]you enter the hole you could literally tell if there's but do

[40:31]we need to explain these things everybody you know at the end

[40:36]of the day maybe this is what comes with public life that

[40:39]everybody scrutinizes everything you do I won't be the first Maulana who

[40:45]sat at the front and done a Nikka while there are men

[40:49]and women sitting in the same Hall and nor will I be

[40:53]the last and if you want to use that barometer for mawlanas

[40:55]then there's a many more who look holier than me who would

[40:59]be in trouble um so you know it's not something to elaborate

[41:05]upon it's just unfortunately these types of things yeah people send you

[41:11]a message there's a video clip of you and so on and

[41:12]so forth but there's a day of judgment and that day Allah

[41:18]will expose everybody he'll expose the fitna make uh the one who

[41:21]spreads videos I don't look forward to that day not scared of

[41:26]that day at all don't you think that it's like conflicting you're

[41:28]like whatever you say in your majalis and you are sitting in

[41:30]the light kind like mixed Gathering you can say because so many

[41:33]molanas always say that we are not coming in the next Gathering

[41:37]because this mixed together right so you can just dinner as well

[41:39]yeah real good at the end of the day do I attend

[41:43]a wedding which is mixed yeah I probably do um I don't

[41:50]get really invited to menu which are gonna go a bit wild

[41:54]they'll probably want me to get out quickly before the DJ begins

[41:56]but if I'm invited to come and join the car or to

[42:00]give a speech about a little bait on a wedding and if

[42:03]people can try and observe hijab the best look there's a lot

[42:07]of people who as soon as you walk in to that wedding

[42:08]they'll at least cover themselves out of respect for you I've seen

[42:13]this in Pakistan a lot masha'allah and um and yeah I've got

[42:17]no problem I've got no problem right I think the problem we

[42:19]have with the mixed weddings is trying to guide people that when

[42:24]you're in control of a gathering try as much as you can

[42:27]to observe social and physical hijab can you necessarily make everybody aware

[42:31]no but can you also have separate holes to separate to celebrate

[42:37]yes because at the end of the day we want to make

[42:39]sure that there are boundaries in place boundaries where we respect Allah

[42:45]sometimes these things if people get male and females get too close

[42:50]to each other sometimes shaytan could be the third over three sometimes

[42:53]people could unfortunately do things which they regret but if I'm asked

[42:58]to attend a wedding where I do the nikah and there are

[43:01]people there in a mixed it's not something that I will deny

[43:06]and I've spoken to Scholars who I Revere and they've told me

[43:08]that they've done the same thing but that they wouldn't normally sit

[43:11]amongst the people for this long time of this wedding they may

[43:15]leave shortly after said you already mentioned like for so many Noha

[43:19]Khan soccer that he had really good friendship with them so we

[43:25]saw your video with boxer Amir Khan uh really famous boxer Amir

[43:28]Khan and uh you know the Javed japheed Bollywood actor so they're

[43:31]really like you're a good friend or they're just in your celebrity

[43:35]list or you have many more in your dad as well that's

[43:39]a good question yeah I mean most of them are great guys

[43:45]um I actually had known amir's mother-in-law before I had known Amir

[43:52]his mother-in-law had come for ziara and we we had met her

[43:59]in karbala and from there obviously I had spoken with fariel amir's

[44:05]wife um and I remember that when Emir went to a modulus

[44:08]in New Jersey and Muharram I think 2019 or 18 something like

[44:17]that and he was attacked on the internet for real is attacked

[44:21]often because she's Shia that if she puts any quotes of Imam

[44:27]Ali or Imam straight away they attack her which I find very

[44:31]sad in all honesty um you already get enough hate on social

[44:34]media as it is but to get attacked because you're putting a

[44:38]quote of the Prophet or of Imam it's sad but it happens

[44:45]Emir got attacked because he went to a modulus and I defended

[44:49]him on member without having ever met him so when we did

[44:54]meet it was in Dubai we had lunch together I remember someone

[44:58]showing me a video that someone had apparently said oh look amanakshawani

[45:04]is drinking alcohol in in Dubai uh I can assure you that

[45:13]um you know the act of yazid is not an act that

[45:15]I would ever go near but the Apple ties that was nice

[45:20]I must admit um and we we all had lunch together again

[45:27]there's something that needs to be understood and that is I'm raised

[45:32]in London it's a culture shock I can agree in the Middle

[45:35]East indo-pack subcontinent see mawlana sitting with celebrities but for us guys

[45:41]who and when you live in the UK and there's a boxer

[45:44]like Amir Khan or Anthony Joshua or or other football players you

[45:51]probably have been to school with their cousin or your nephews best

[45:56]friends with their nephew because you all live in the same environment

[46:00]you know what I mean but for some people they couldn't understand

[46:03]how is it that you're a Maulana and your best friends or

[46:07]your good friends with football players and you know sports stars believe

[46:14]you me the number of famous people I rejected who wanted to

[46:24]hang out because they may be associated with certain environment that I

[46:29]still believe a line has to be drawn is much more than

[46:31]the ones I hung out with uh but as I said Emir

[46:37]to me is a guy with gray always anywhere he goes he's

[46:40]ready to take a photo with someone ready to talk with someone

[46:46]he's a pleasant guy um Java Jaffrey is a fantastic person he

[46:49]really is you know you see Java Jaffrey in Bollywood playing like

[46:53]a blind actor and he's like the funny guy running around acting

[46:55]crazy but he just lit he's one of the most genuine people

[47:02]I've ever met no Javed uh I I once met him at

[47:07]the uh the which hotel is it in oh God it escapes

[47:09]me right now in juhu um and juhu in Mumbai the hotel

[47:16]we were staying at um and as soon as he left the

[47:22]the building people were running Java Java Java Japanese and yet you

[47:26]see this guy he's just he's a wonderful person down to earth

[47:31]person um I've been fortunate to have met him and his brother

[47:34]and their mom and you know alhamdulillah their lovely family um and

[47:38]yeah I'm I'm honored that if I have a friend from Bollywood

[47:41]or I have a friend look you can have people from Bollywood

[47:43]or from football or from boxing or whatever if they're not nice

[47:48]guys it doesn't matter whether what they do you never want to

[47:52]see that guy again but when a guy is a nice guy

[47:56]your relationship goes much further and that's how I view Amir Khan

[48:01]and that's how I view Java Jaffrey yeah so uh so is

[48:03]there any more like celebrities that you are like in the in

[48:07]your contact list fussy he's a celebrity yeah there's there's a few

[48:12]more in my contact list um some who prefer that my relationship

[48:16]with them becomes private because if they come out publicly as Muslim

[48:22]that could affect their career some hang out with us and have

[48:25]a small shisha with us but they don't tell people publicly so

[48:27]we'll have to do it for example in their basement in their

[48:31]house somewhere uh um you know and that that you know that's

[48:35]for me to know and for people to shout out to find

[48:41]out can you please uh tell like us your experience like some

[48:44]like really famous person contact you about like saying they want to

[48:47]ask you something and he contact you and you just want to

[48:51]know like about you and about the religious enough yeah there was

[48:55]one um everybody knows him and he want he had a lot

[48:59]of questions about Islam and so he spent with me a couple

[49:04]of days um on holiday and uh asking questions continuously about Islam

[49:10]history philosophy of life and it really it just goes to show

[49:15]you that you're with this guy who on TV is a very

[49:17]confident person is stopped by everyone in the world can have every

[49:22]car in the world every house in the world every private jet

[49:23]in the world but he's sitting with you because he's like listen

[49:25]I can relate to you and I want to open up to

[49:29]you and I love these Stars also they feel lonely sometimes they

[49:32]think about as well they think about death they think about the

[49:38]Hereafter um yeah so there's there's a number of them who there's

[49:42]been interesting experiences with so the lastly I just want to ask

[49:45]you one thing uh people call you a llama tattoo Maulana tattoo

[49:49]and you are like so many times the controversy about your tattoos

[49:52]so how you like feel and like how you like cover these

[49:58]things I just say that you know it's Allah and I both

[50:00]say both of them say it's allowed and I think that should

[50:03]be sufficient for everyone and if you want to debate It Go

[50:05]debate the two of them you know don't come and tell me

[50:08]and debate Allah in his opinion of tattoo being allowed and that's

[50:14]it thank you so much uh so yeah Dr Amanda it was

[50:16]really nice talking to you and uh before we go and so

[50:20]I just want you to please uh give like a really good

[50:22]message to the youth for Pakistani youth especially like you do you

[50:26]want to say anything to the Pakistani you I'd just like to

[50:29]say that you know what I have a great love for Pakistan

[50:31]um I have a great love for as you said the youth

[50:34]there and inshaallah I'll come back soon and continue to have lectures

[50:38]and conferences and I just hope all the Muslims in Pakistan are

[50:42]able to come together able to unite and bring that love and

[50:46]Brotherhood back with one another and that Pakistan becomes the safest and

[50:50]most prosperous place in the world inshallah so thank you so much

[50:57]my pleasure God bless you thank you thank you thank you very

[51:00]much [Music] thank you

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