9. 'Shia Kaffir: Disbelief & Heresy In Islam' - Dr. Sayed Ammar Nakshawani - Muharram 2022

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[0:00]so here we have it from the youth in zifeen abbas and

[0:05]hussain hussein and abbas two lions who walked the same path until

[0:09]that path led them to the land of karubala and the arrows

[0:15]came and the blood was spilled and the bodies fell and the

[0:19]children cried and then abbasi's time came abbas enters the field of

[0:27]battle and the enemies scattered scatter like a field of cattle for

[0:30]there's a lion in their midst with a flag in one hand

[0:34]and a mush tied around his wrist the enemy are shaking but

[0:39]they try and pretend to be brave but really they're just pious

[0:43]men and this is no longer a battlefield but a lion's den

[0:49]and abel fuddle's praise stand frozen and upon abbas their eyes focus

[0:54]and he walks between them as if they are the red sea

[0:57]and he is moses he looks down at the water and wonders

[1:01]should i take some or not some say he remembered the thirst

[1:07]of hussein but in truth he never forgot he marches towards he

[1:13]marches forward into the water he clings but then from behind the

[1:18]tree zaid bin walker in swings hax abbas his right hand but

[1:23]here's the thing you can't stop abu fazal who proudly sings i

[1:26]swear if you cut my right hand i will forever protect this

[1:29]religion and protect an imam who is truthful and certain the holy

[1:36]prophet's great grandson and then from behind another trunk huckabee to springs

[1:40]hacking the left arm of our skilled king will soon be granted

[1:45]frilled wings and even though they tried to kill him look how

[1:51]his dismembered arm to the flag still clings and listen how he

[1:54]still sings onoffs do not be scared of the kuffar rather get

[1:59]ready for the mercy of the jabba where you will be close

[2:02]to the chosen ones of allah as he heads back to the

[2:09]tent hundred arrows they fling one glides through the sky and into

[2:13]the eye of abbas it sinks zachara watches as the lion grips

[2:18]the mush between his teeth no arms try to take the arrow

[2:21]out with his knees and he keeps going for he he hears

[2:25]rokaya weep but another arrow is shot and in the mosque it

[2:29]sleeps and look how able father protected her's name onto the burning

[2:35]ground the water begins to seep and finally abbas falls down in

[2:38]a heap calling out for his master and hussein mounts his horse

[2:44]and rides faster into the battlefield where he's met with disaster father

[2:51]with a voice that cracked spoke mawlana please don't take me back

[2:59]home because just now rukaya still has hope so hussein tries to

[3:02]place abbas head on his lap no yamala who hold your head

[3:05]when you lay in that ditch so shallow so he wipes about

[3:09]his blood on his black robe goes to the tent and knocks

[3:14]out the tag pole winds up his flagpole for today is the

[3:17]day that hussein's back broke so that's the story of hussein and

[3:24]abbas they grew up side by side and one by one they

[3:27]fell blood drenched their manes and the spears beneath as well and

[3:31]in a city far away in a home now a shell a

[3:36]lioness falls to the floor and loudly begins to yell so so

[4:21]so can i please request everyone first just to stand up and

[4:25]just come forward because i've been requested by the volunteers at the

[4:29]back with a loud salwat please thank you so much okay so

[4:41]my dear children elders brothers and sisters and welcome to the eighth

[4:52]night of muharram 2022 here at masjid al-hussein leicester also a warm

[4:57]welcome to our online viewers as always i hope you're all benefiting

[5:00]from the stream and uh of course we're looking forward to hosting

[5:03]you in the next few nights here in person and again we

[5:08]say this every night but may allah during this month inshallah so

[5:18]before we start today's announcements i just want to put the tonight's

[5:22]monthly sponsors on the board please so zayn so tonight's uh program

[5:28]is sponsored for the following who means can we please recite a

[5:31]surah fatiha for them okay so i just have a few announcements

[5:51]today so let's just write through them announcement number one is the

[5:57]matamdari program which is planned for today we have a host of

[6:03]local and national reciters the program will start at 9 30 pm

[6:06]right after nomas and it will also be streamed live on our

[6:10]youtube channel so we kindly encourage all of you to attend this

[6:15]program and for those who can't make it obviously tune in online

[6:18]i'm sure it will be one not to be missed announcement number

[6:24]two is the general housekeeping so as you can see today it's

[6:27]very busy um so again let's just be cognizant about our neighbors

[6:31]uh noise pollution especially tonight with the matamdari program when we're leaving

[6:36]the premises let's just leave quietly so that our neighbors do not

[6:40]complain to us also around car parking i've just come out of

[6:44]the car park it's really full today and for those who are

[6:47]coming in now and if you're listening to the stream please avoid

[6:49]duxbury road and bridge road again we want to make sure that

[6:55]we've got cordial relationships with our neighbors if you have any uh

[6:59]concerns around the parking or have any questions please speak to our

[7:02]lovely volunteers who are assisting outside and the final announcement i guess

[7:09]this is just an introduction and it's a good thing mksi leicester

[7:14]transformation project so i did say that today brother sameer our president

[7:19]will be addressing us so can i please welcome brother samir to

[7:24]the mem to the member to the podium with a loud salvation

[7:45][Music] my eldest brothers and sisters assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi can i ask

[8:14]the av team just to play the video once again jazakallah muhammad

[8:42]it's about doing something together that makes belonging matter i know masjid's

[8:47]presidents have a number of challenges they need to deal with but

[8:51]i never thought i'd be dealing with this so soon alhamdulillah it's

[8:53]a good thing right now we're in one of the most exciting

[8:56]times as we extend the masjid that you all know and love

[9:00]i'm pretty sure that most people in england have been to our

[9:03]humble and welcoming jamaat so i won't go into all the particulars

[9:05]of why this project is much needed all the details can be

[9:10]found on our website so please please do make sure you have

[9:13]a look this project will in charlotte deliver an overflow facility during

[9:18]busy periods remove noise pollution in the main hall an area for

[9:23]members to socialize outside the main hall an open space desk area

[9:26]for the management committee toilet area further away from the main hall

[9:33]and prayer room a newer and bigger av room a bigger ladies

[9:35]hall a safe place for the children between ladies entrance and all

[9:39]alzahra center and there's more on the second floor of the alzahra

[9:45]center we will have the abu favel gym which will host its

[9:47]own showers and lockers for ladies and gents we're also building an

[9:50]amazing chill out zone for all our youth which will be kitted

[9:56]out with everything we need i mean for me this project is

[9:58]all about making the mosque a one-stop shop i mean when the

[10:02]prophet had his mosque in medina it wasn't just about learning it

[10:04]was meant to be a one-stop shop for everyone to come and

[10:08]do as they please and have everything in that place so they

[10:11]don't need to go elsewhere to find other enjoyment they can find

[10:15]it all at the place of not just worship but fun as

[10:17]well we've received some amazing support from world federation and co-age and

[10:22]now we need your help so far we have raised 330 000

[10:29]pounds and we need only 520 000 pounds more we could sit

[10:32]here all day and tell you the benefits of you donating i

[10:36]could say that those who spend in the way of allah is

[10:38]just like a grain that produces seven years each air having a

[10:43]hundred grains and allah multiplies the reward for whom he wills but

[10:47]i won't we all know that hadees instead i want to show

[10:52]you what this project means for our community for your community can't

[10:55]wait to have a safe and clean place to hang out with

[10:58]my friends and beat them at fifa i think this is gonna

[11:00]be so much fun because i can play with my friends in

[11:04]the game room it'll give the girls and ladies of our community

[11:09]a space where they can feel comfortable and safe allowing them to

[11:13]be fitter and healthier now there's two ways to support our project

[11:17]number one is that you contribute towards it and number two buy

[11:20]a raffle ticket you know the raffle prizes are absolutely amazing top

[11:27]prize 20 tickets to imam hussain second prize a five thousand pound

[11:32]kitchen voucher we've got so many other prizes for further information do

[11:35]contact myself or simply go to our website just think about it

[11:41]this way what would if he knew that you donated in his

[11:50]name [Music] for muhammad who don't know my name is samir rajani

[11:58]and i am the president of mksi leicester masjid al hussein first

[12:03]and foremost i would like to welcome all of our attendees visitors

[12:08]at this center as well as those watching online have been following

[12:12]us for the last eight nights seven nights plus tonight secondly i

[12:20]would like to send my commemorations to our imam of our time

[12:25]allah foreign rasulallah as well as all the lovers of hazard islam

[12:46]muhammad i go to the project update i just wanted to say

[12:56]thank you very much for everybody jazakallah for the support you've given

[13:00]us over the last seven nights as well as inshallah throughout the

[13:03]program and alhamdulillah we're getting very close to the budget we expect

[13:07]the trajectory is that we will be we we are in a

[13:12]position to have completed our budget so jazakallah for that and salwaad

[13:17]muhammad so we started a journey last year mid last year where

[13:25]we decided to embark on a new project and the transformation of

[13:29]masjid al hussein in november we went to the the management uh

[13:36]committee as well as the trustees went to the members of our

[13:39]community alhamdulillah in november we passed uh approved the project in december

[13:45]we started the planning permission and after the eight months on the

[13:48]night of us the basal islam i wanted to announce announce that

[13:54]the planning permission has been approved alhamdulillah as you know the project

[14:03]is about a few things one of them is the imambarga extension

[14:06]the other the other part is the ladies connection to alzheimer's center

[14:10]providing a safe safe pace space for our children when they use

[14:15]the alzheimer's center the other two aspects are the the extension of

[14:20]alzara center which will have a fitness center as well as a

[14:24]chiller room for the children this is all in honor of hazard

[14:31]basal islam and tonight it is his nice that night that we

[14:35]commemorate alhamdulillah our timing has been we started in sha albania our

[14:39]website and now on the night of us of the bus we've

[14:41]hit a massive milestone from now onwards now we need to think

[14:45]about the next steps which is to build a selection and inshallah

[14:51]in after muharram suffer period to start to build and continue with

[14:55]our journey inshallah on the night like this i would like to

[14:57]appeal to everybody live those who are watching we have so far

[15:03]probably 500 000 viewers online as well as in the masjid and

[15:08]if we just give a pound each that would be 500 000

[15:11]pounds and that would meet our target what i'm going to do

[15:14]now is give a live appeal usually we don't allow allow mobile

[15:17]phones to be used during this uh doing the monoliths but i

[15:23]request those who are in the center as well as those who

[15:25]are online and who will be watching this program going forward i

[15:29]ask you all to take your mobile phones the details in there

[15:32]i'm going to do this myself as well mohammed mohammed in the

[15:36]honor of hazard islam allah the amount doesn't matter brothers and sisters

[15:45]this is a live appeal this is one thing that's uni we've

[15:50]never done this before and i'm hoping that we'll be able to

[15:52]collect a decent amount in honor of hazard like i said at

[15:56]the end of the project what would hazard say if you knew

[16:00]that you donated in his name so whilst i do that and

[16:03]other brothers i can see a few taking their mobile phones out

[16:06]and i'm hoping online as well i'm going to make a payment

[16:11]route right now it's on the screen if not the account number

[16:29]is four zero two two eight the sort code is sorry four

[16:36]zero twenty eight zero three the account number is one one zero

[16:40]eight eight seven nine three reference number afg account name is mksia

[16:49]community i'm going to mention it one more time brothers and sisters

[16:58]as well assault code 402803 account number 1108 793 1108 793 reference

[17:12]afg abu fazel jim and the name is mksi community like i

[17:23]said bigger the number the better but ultimately you know contributing towards

[17:28]this great cause so i've just made that payment i've made previous

[17:33]payments i'll make i've made a payment today and i'll continue to

[17:39]make the payment because i believe in the in the project i

[17:41]believe that the the strategy and the objectives that we have as

[17:44]a community as a team and inshallah the growth of leicester jamaat

[17:49]in the future as well so i've made a payment of a

[17:51]thousand pounds and i'll continue to make the payment until this project

[17:56]is completed thank you everybody jazakallah for listening to the update inshallah

[18:07]we'll continue to meet our objectives and let's just make a quick

[18:11]prayer all of us put your hands together that this project is

[18:14]completed and it's successful finally i would like to welcome actually before

[18:19]i do that can i ask brothers please bring yourself forward to

[18:25]the bottom right of of my side here please brothers finally i

[18:35]would like to welcome our esteemed guest brother said dr sedaman nakswani

[18:42]one more time please there's more people that are coming the muddlist

[18:46]is about to start can i just request that one more time

[18:49]jazakallah muhammad ali muhammad uh before i begin i think the onus

[19:30]is on me to set the example rather than just for the

[19:33]president to set the example i've lectured in this community for now

[19:40]20 years on and off and sometimes people would ask me when

[19:47]muharram comes where are you this muharram and they normally expect to

[19:53]hear the name of a really big city in the world and

[19:55]then i say leicester and while leicester without a doubt is a

[20:00]big city but the people of leicester are people with big hearts

[20:06]and this is something that made me always promise that every few

[20:13]years when i first came here 20 years ago may allah bless

[20:17]muslim rajani sitting there who used to always push for the youth

[20:23]and for english lectures and who would have thought 20 years ago

[20:28]quite ironically when we came 20 years ago myself and this other

[20:33]speaker you may have heard of called mahdi hassan were lecturing and

[20:38]he went towards some success masha allah and i went towards some

[20:44]success with the blessings of allah but this project is a project

[20:49]which has a base for a number of reasons the first reason

[20:54]is that it provides a safe space and an extension for the

[21:01]ladies and gents of this community so instead of people always asking

[21:05]you to come forward you'll end up having an extension which is

[21:09]going to be there for everybody to be able to benefit from

[21:14]the second reason and my favorite reason is because there's going to

[21:21]be a gym which caters for the ladies and the gym which

[21:24]caters for the gents and the fitness center will be called the

[21:30]abulfa gym it will be named after sometimes you hear gyms named

[21:37]after different companies or different concepts but imagine in the heart of

[21:43]the uk you have a gym named after and so this second

[21:47]reason let's alone the third reason a recreation space for our youth

[21:50]to chill to relax make the mosque a place where you can

[21:54]come and relax and see each other and socialize rather than have

[22:00]to go outside those of you who've benefited from the majalis over

[22:03]the years in this particular mumbai you've all recognized it from youtube

[22:08]there have been some lectures which are memorable on this particular mumbai

[22:13]and some not so memorable but you find that this particular mumbai

[22:18]is one that has served and that's why i ask all of

[22:21]you and i want to set the example in all honesty something

[22:24]which i would never normally do before a lecture because my mind

[22:29]is completely engrossed in my notes but let's all those of you

[22:34]who haven't if you do have the ability online just go to

[22:36]your phone one final time and let's make a donation because it

[22:41]transforms our muharram a few nights ago i asked people to do

[22:45]a donation for yemen we're on fifty thousand pounds and now the

[22:50]people of yemen insha allah that little bit that we're sending will

[22:53]inshallah help them likewise this place which is catering for your knowledge

[22:59]and your sons and daughters knowledge try and give back if you

[23:02]can now on your phone i'll give just 30 seconds one minute

[23:04]here's the details wherever you may be online for the viewers who

[23:09]have watched the lectures for the last eight nine not months not

[23:14]days years try online right now if you can to give a

[23:20]donation towards the mosque once accepts it from the viewers and accepts

[23:49]it from all of you here i don't know how much further

[24:02]you can go forward but uh if you can just come as

[24:04]close to the front as you can try and make space especially

[24:06]to your left hand side try and go to your left as

[24:11]much as you can my dear brothers and sisters so that there

[24:15]is space for those coming in [Music] alhamdulillah [Music] is a third

[26:26]with your loudest voice is in honor of the imam of our

[26:31]time imam sahib allah respected scholars brothers and sisters it's a slogan

[26:53]that has been heard recently and a slogan that has been said

[26:56]in certain parts of the muslim world for over a thousand years

[27:00]did you find the issue of takfir and kofor is an issue

[27:08]of the utmost importance and sensitivity within the religion of islam because

[27:12]we know that within the religion of islam today there are a

[27:17]couple of billion muslims who are alive those couple of billion muslims

[27:22]who are alive in the world today all come from different groups

[27:27]and backgrounds but at one stage or another each and every one

[27:30]of them has been at the receiving end of being called a

[27:34]kafir bu for example within the different sects of the sunni world

[27:39]or within the different sects of the shia world at one stage

[27:43]or another in the last 1400 years the accusation of disbelief or

[27:49]the accusation of heresy has been labeled against every single muslim if

[27:53]you look for example within shia school the ithna and the ismailia

[27:59]have both been at the receiving end of being called kafirs at

[28:03]the same time you'll find that there are certain muslims one either

[28:08]necessarily counted as sunni or shia who may have been at the

[28:13]receiving end of being called kafur for example in pakistan you have

[28:17]a sizable community known as the ahmadiyya or the cadianis some of

[28:21]you may have come across them the ahmadiyya or the kardianis are

[28:25]continuously facing situations where their life is under threat irrespective of conclusions

[28:33]on their theological beliefs naturally i ask a question that am i

[28:38]when i live in the uk and there's an ahmedi community or

[28:43]i live in the pakistan or in east africa and i see

[28:49]an isma'ili community can i still label charges of kuffar or charges

[28:53]of heresy against another muslim as in another muslim who says in

[28:56]front of me that they believe in one god and that they

[29:02]believe in the prophethood of the holy prophet muhammad can i turn

[29:11]around and label such a person a kafir or a kafira because

[29:15]in the past the slogans used to be slogans where a person

[29:20]who was seen as a disbeliever may have been called a mulhed

[29:23]or a zindiq today you even have more slogans than this there

[29:29]are other slogans today which are employed tomorrow night i will look

[29:33]at shia calling each other kafir that's a different story where we'll

[29:38]examine the groups of the shia and the world today and who

[29:42]they believe is kafur from amongst each other from both mawlana's and

[29:46]those who are on the ground that will leave till tomorrow night

[29:49]in sha allah but for tonight when you look at this area

[29:53]of kofor the problem with kofor is that when i accuse your

[29:59]being kafir a whole set of laws then impose themselves on you

[30:02]these sets of laws that impose themselves on you are laws which

[30:08]could result in you losing your life because if you are a

[30:12]cover in a world view where you have dar al islam and

[30:14]you have dar al harab a world for example which is a

[30:19]world of islam and a world of war or you have darus

[30:25]salaam and dar al kofir a world which is an islamic world

[30:30]state versus an area of kofor if you as a person who's

[30:34]a kafir are living in a muslim country you could end up

[30:37]being someone who if you don't convert to islam or if you

[30:42]don't pay the jizya the tax of the islamic economic system could

[30:48]be executed or could be killed and that's why when you look

[30:52]today for example in afghanistan 25 hazaras if i'm not mistaken today

[30:55]got executed or got killed in an assassination attempt that is clearly

[31:00]showing us that shia kaffir still an issue when in muharram a

[31:07]month when supposedly all who love the holy prophet peace be upon

[31:13]his family should be gathering together to remember his grandson you'll find

[31:16]two groups one group who'll gather together to have weddings in muharram

[31:19]i remember when i gave a medalist in peterborough a couple of

[31:24]years ago i was on my way to recite the maktel on

[31:27]the 10th of muharram and i saw a muslim family who were

[31:29]having a wedding on the 10th of muharram but then there's another

[31:33]group who kill others who they view no longer as muslims they

[31:36]view them as kafirs and so when i look at that i

[31:41]begin to ask myself the question that's in the uk in afghanistan

[31:47]in pakistan in other parts of the world muslims labeling each other

[31:51]as kuffar instead of looking at each other and saying that these

[31:56]people have similar beliefs to one another rather you find that it

[32:01]becomes open even our literature the reality is that many of us

[32:04]still abide by literature that has come from medieval scholarship there are

[32:10]still medieval muslim scholars who are quoted in lectures today if i

[32:13]quote for example or i quote for example shahid al-awl i'm quoting

[32:20]who i'm quoting a muslim medieval scholar his opinions still count i'm

[32:25]still going to use him as a source what happens if he

[32:30]has a fatwa which describes somebody as a kafir do i take

[32:33]that fatwa if i see a muslim saying after that they don't

[32:40]believe what i believe for example are they allowed to have the

[32:46]freedom to have their htard not just on theology but also it's

[32:50]the heart on history there's two types of ichthy had there's an

[32:55]ichthy had on history because history if you break the word into

[33:02]two it is his story his story what does it mean it

[33:07]means it's my story of how i'm gonna narrate depending on who

[33:10]i like and who i admire so when you see the word

[33:15]history whether you're doing gcses or a levels or a degree in

[33:17]history always remember his story so now when i look at his

[33:24]story am i allowed to have h jihad on a particular incident

[33:27]am i allowed to have h jihad on what took place in

[33:31]the seer of rasulallah am i allowed to have my own reading

[33:37]or do i have to subscribe to one reading of course if

[33:39]a non-muslim hears this the non-muslim gets baffled when he hears someone

[33:43]saying there's only one true reading of islamic history if you talk

[33:46]to a non-muslim and we saw this recently in the news when

[33:50]you had certain people saying that the depiction of what took place

[33:55]in early islam is false false according to who according to who

[33:58]unless you have a golden tablet that has come down from jenna

[34:03]and you've opened it and it says this is history how can

[34:08]you as a human being come and tell me as a human

[34:12]being that my version of history is wrong you have a narrator

[34:17]and i have a narrator am i allowed to have htr as

[34:21]a muslim in history or to me and you have to agree

[34:23]on everything being the same i have a particular reading of history

[34:27]you have a particular reading of history why are you calling me

[34:32]a kafir when it is something that a took place for example

[34:35]a thousand years ago someone says it's better that we don't even

[34:37]discuss that history some in our communities and you would see this

[34:42]even in your own family you'll hear some people saying why do

[34:46]we always discuss the past why don't we just talk about what's

[34:48]happening now do you hear this sometimes in your own family that

[34:53]if you discuss history you cause trouble whereas if we discuss what's

[34:58]happening in the world today then it's better because it helps us

[35:01]as muslims move forward firstly that's a disrespect to god because he

[35:06]loves talking about history in his quran when god talks to the

[35:10]prophet he tells them about a man called adam who's a thousand

[35:12]years way before him and god tells them about noah as well

[35:17]so i cannot distance myself from history but how do i talk

[35:22]about history in a way in which i can have my own

[35:24]reading but appreciate the reading of others therefore this topic of kuffar

[35:31]is one of the utmost importance when recently you see video shia

[35:35]kafir shia kafir of course this is not the majority of non-shia

[35:39]saying this this is a group of non-shia who but there must

[35:46]be a reason they say that there must be a base of

[35:51]it let's tonight examine the accusations of kofor not just towards the

[35:56]shia but generally speaking and i'd like to do this in the

[35:58]following stages number one when did this religion this pure religion of

[36:05]allah get divided into groups who began to call each other kafir

[36:09]number two why would they call each other careful number three is

[36:14]kufor got a particular line or a particular boundary if a person

[36:21]believes in god and believes that the prophet was sent by god

[36:24]is this enough for a person to be muslim number four why

[36:30]were the shia the most in terms of the receiving end of

[36:34]being called kafir and how did this particular kufor evolve over history

[36:40]number five how are fatwas of different scholars both responsible for accusations

[36:50]of kuffar number six should we as shia stop talking about early

[36:55]islamic history number seven should we not make films about our islamic

[36:59]history or should we delve into the world of films and be

[37:05]open in our discussions number eight what if someone tells me that

[37:08]you are the people of taqiyya and you are the people who

[37:14]allow sectarianism to be spoken from in your mosques and number nine

[37:19]in reality someone who calls me akafel let them look at the

[37:25]similarities between us and them and they'll realize that there aren't many

[37:29]differences in terms of the pillars of faith let's examine this and

[37:33]dissect the topic in complete depth islam when it comes is not

[37:37]a religion of sects and nor does allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala want it

[37:41]to be a religion of sects ultimately god does not want that

[37:45]the religion of islam becomes a group of sects god wants the

[37:51]religion to be one religion which everybody follows but whether we like

[37:53]it or we don't human beings may either hold on to the

[37:57]truth of the prophets that came to them or they may splinter

[38:03]into groups as an islam isn't the first religion that's splintered into

[38:08]groups sometimes you have muslims saying why is there sunni and shiite

[38:12]relax before the holy prophet there was sunnah and shia but those

[38:16]who were sunni and shia before the prophet one was the shia

[38:22]of for example james or peter and another were following the sunnah

[38:27]of jesus through paul it can happen after jesus left this world

[38:33]some people went to paul you know saint paul's cathedral is named

[38:37]after paul who without a doubt is the most influential person in

[38:40]christianity if you ask anyone who's the most influential person in christianity

[38:44]they'll always say to you it's jesus it's not jesus no chance

[38:48]paul 13 of the 27 books of the bible are written or

[38:53]are attributed to him if you ask any christian this bible if

[38:58]jesus is so important why is it always paul's letters which make

[39:01]up half the bible a jewish man who converts to christianity having

[39:07]persecuted the earlier christians becomes the most influential person in that religion

[39:12]it happens sometimes a convert who has been the one who's persecuted

[39:15]the members of that religion ends up later being the most influential

[39:20]man in that religion i'm sure you can add the jigsaw pieces

[39:24]together so you find that even before the prophet peace be upon

[39:28]him and his family died there were already prophets whose groups had

[39:32]gone into sects the jews 71 the christians 72 the muslims 73

[39:38]but this issue of kufr began within the early part of the

[39:45]second century of the religion of islam in the first hundred years

[39:48]of this religion we can clearly tell that muslims were not all

[39:54]in agreement on everything otherwise there wouldn't be battles called gemma and

[39:59]sophia isn't that true gemell and safin which only had about 25

[40:02]000 people die so it's not too bad um an occasion these

[40:07]battles jamel and safin between muslims yes each of them were saying

[40:12]all of them were saying that they loved the prophet in some

[40:18]cases not just love his cousins were there his wife was there

[40:21]other companions were there but you could tell that there now definitely

[40:24]was going to be a difference of opinion that existed of course

[40:30]some people justify that difference by saying fitna it's a fitnah that

[40:34]happened it's a dissension the irony is the fitness always against one

[40:39]man it's that if it's a fitnah against others i wouldn't mind

[40:43]but the fitness always against one man you fight him at jamel

[40:48]you fight him at saphen those fits and exist at that time

[40:50]my dear brothers and sisters at the time of the battle of

[40:55]gemma how many muslim sects were there at the time of jamal

[40:58]which had a clear identity emerging in their theology in reality up

[41:04]to the time of the battle of gemma there's one sect in

[41:09]reality by name and that is shiat ali shiat ali the people

[41:16]who followed imam ali alayhi on the basis that the holy prophet

[41:23]peace be upon him family had announced him as his successor on

[41:26]the event of radhir and that they were not the ones who

[41:31]were going to be pledging allegiance to the others who took the

[41:37]authority were there other schools in islam at the time of jamal

[41:40]as in when imam ali comes to the battle of jamal is

[41:43]it imam ali shia versus nothing there's no one who's coming forward

[41:53]and saying we are sunni and they are shia in reality sunnis

[41:59]its major wars in terms of sectarian problems occur hundreds of years

[42:05]later even the abbasids when you look at the problems between them

[42:09]the abbasid's problem was banu abbas versus banu hashem not sunni the

[42:14]abbasids came back to abbas imam assad muhammad khalid back to abu

[42:19]talib and there's a problem between the two but what you found

[42:23]therefore is that after the battle of safin we now have another

[42:28]group that emerges in the battle of naharawan who are called our

[42:35]main group of kofor when it comes to doing kofor or accusations

[42:43]of kufur against others so early islam imam ali imam ali those

[42:49]who fight him at jamel he doesn't necessarily turn around and say

[42:52]now you are kafir or kaffir you are you still believe in

[42:59]you still believe in the prophet of allah but unfortunately your direction

[43:05]is one which is misguided because even our non-shia brothers say that

[43:09]was someone who somehow wanted to seek a repentance because she knew

[43:13]that she had completely done the wrong thing with jamal so at

[43:19]the time of jamal there's one school shiat ali there is no

[43:24]shia sunni the shiat ali they have an early identity that they

[43:28]follow the deen the religion of imam ali and this can be

[43:33]seen in their poetry what are they are those who fought imam

[43:41]ali at naharawan khawaraj respects abu bakr and they respect umar they

[43:48]disrespect uthman and they disrespect ali why do they disrespect uthman remember

[43:53]i'm showing you now how kuffar accusations emerge why do they disrespect

[44:00]uthman they say uthman was not just in his dealings when he

[44:06]was khalifah and that a leader must always be just okay then

[44:09]they had a problem with imam ali alayhi salam which led them

[44:15]to believing in the kuffar of imam ali what was it they

[44:19]said imam ali accepted the arbitration between muawiyah and him he should

[44:26]never accept that and authority belongs to allah they fought imam ali

[44:31]at the battle of naharawan because now to them imam ali and

[44:36]his shia were careful so the main people who first started accusations

[44:40]of kuffar against others in the muslim ummah were the of course

[44:47]you'll see that the many people say isis are the khawarij because

[44:54]isis sees other muslims who do not subscribe to their worldview if

[44:58]you don't subscribe to their worldview your kafir not just kafir you

[45:02]are to be killed if you don't subscribe to the world view

[45:06]you are to be killed was companion of the holy prophet peace

[45:12]be upon his family he had a son called abdullah abdullah was

[45:16]traveling with his wife the wife was pregnant they came near a

[45:21]checkpoint how are you stopped them what's your name what's your allegiance

[45:30]okay wife is the same so a person was walking they said

[45:36]to him what are you he said i am someone who is

[45:39]a mushrik i don't believe in said mushrik you go but you

[45:45]your wife come here they took him beheaded the wife they killed

[45:50]her she's pregnant they took the baby out of the womb they

[45:54]literally decimated her body why hold on the mushrik went through he

[46:00]says yes quran whatever no but quran says if mushrik talks to

[46:22]you they went towards the direction where for them for them anyone

[46:28]who did not subscribe to their world view was kavir and that's

[46:31]why those khawarij eventually when people would suffocate or they couldn't practice

[46:36]their religion they migrated they said in the same way rasulullah migrated

[46:40]to ensure his religion was complete we migrate as well and they

[46:44]split into different groups and one of the groups ironically which is

[46:49]one of the most soft groups you'll ever come across really soft

[46:52]ironic that they came on the khawarij are the ibavis of oman

[46:57]any of you go to moscot oman it is not sunny and

[46:59]shia it is ibarris ibadis are originally but the most diluted of

[47:06]the version someone says okay wait so early islam there was shia

[47:10]and would call the shia kofar so where's the term sunni in

[47:18]this period yes and that period there was no term sunni baring

[47:22]the odd there's no crystallization as such you had a couple of

[47:34]groups one group were the more and another were the more tesla

[47:39]what are their opinions on kufor the more tesla said listen a

[47:45]muslim who's a sinner that is a state between two states yes

[47:48]maybe you could say that that particular person you could describe them

[47:56]as transgressing but not as disbelieving suspended judgment i'm saying all of

[48:01]this why because this whole idea that sunni is the purest version

[48:08]of islam or that sunni is the original islam was no such

[48:11]thing in the first hundred years of islam first hundred years of

[48:15]islam you would have the morjiyah you have the muatazila even those

[48:21]were debating in the time of imam and radha alayhi there were

[48:25]still debates going on as to even the nature of the quran

[48:32]was having problems with ahmad bin hambal today if you ask somebody

[48:36]who does he subscribe to say sunni ahmad bin hambal one of

[48:39]the four for the sunni they're still having an issue with each

[48:41]other which is an issue that results even in accusations of kofor

[48:47]so in the first hundred years of islam that kuffar disease that

[48:54]existed was first begun by the khawarij the khawarij calling the shia

[49:00]of ali khafir anyone who was a shiite was to be killed

[49:02]or anyone who had support for muawiyah or ali those people were

[49:09]to be beheaded question then arises did the muslim scholars seek to

[49:15]rectify this some of them did some muslim scholars like tahawi said

[49:18]that you know what anyone who worships allah faces the qibla you

[49:25]should never condemn them towards hellfire yes if i see someone who

[49:30]is from who believes in allah believes in the prophet of the

[49:34]holy prophet believes in the day of judgment you should never condemn

[49:39]this is a shias and even shia not to be condemned you

[49:42]had scholars who were non-shia who would say things like this that

[49:47]question puts up another question for example ahmadiyya are they to be

[49:51]classified as kafir or not are the ahmadis to be classified as

[49:57]kafir wait if the definition of muslim what is it definitional muslim

[50:03]is anyone who believes in one god and believes in the prophethood

[50:08]of the holy prophet as well as all the other prophets yes

[50:11]those are also deen those are the pillars of the religion of

[50:18]islam watch which pillars that muslims come to agree on tawheed nubuwa

[50:22]and qiyama don't we all agree if you ask any muslim in

[50:26]the street today what are the pillars of the religion which i

[50:29]can be counted as a muslim for toheyd i am automatically counted

[50:37]as a muslim i look at the ahmadiyya for example ahmadis believe

[50:44]in allah yes they do do they believe that the prophet was

[50:48]chosen and sent by allah yes they do then the question here

[50:53]a debate arises am i to place them as kofor or no

[50:59]as kafirs or not there are some who don't touch this issue

[51:03]because it's sensitive issue there are others who've never heard of ahmadis

[51:06]in their lives so that's a completely different ball game but then

[51:10]there are others whether you live in london or you live in

[51:15]pakistan ahmadiyya have a very sizable even india have a sizable community

[51:18]us we have to still discuss this why because if i see

[51:23]someone believing someone says they don't believe in the finality of the

[51:30]prophethood they say refer to him being the seal literally but rather

[51:37]what not metaphorically but rather literally seal what's a seal a seal

[51:42]you can have a seal with your ring or you can mean

[51:48]finality so ahmadis don't believe necessarily in the finality and the way

[51:52]we believe it yes but they believe that's rasulullah sent by allah

[51:56]they believe that he is the messenger of allah these other areas

[52:02]are open to question can i jump and say kuffur someone says

[52:04]well you don't understand zionist zionist zionists these are zionists no problem

[52:10]you have your own research about what you want to call ahmadis

[52:13]or others but ultimately the bottom line is the usual of the

[52:20]dean if someone believes in someone believes in muhammad rasool allah isn't

[52:23]that enough for them not to be called kafir imam allah how

[52:32]many of us narrate this on the wilder of imam islam the

[52:42]words are my fortress whoever enters my fortress is safe from my

[52:50]punishment that means look at the extension from isn't that enough for

[53:12]us to be all saved from being at least punished here here

[53:17]you want to talk about the hereafter leave god for the hereafter

[53:22]but here if i now see ahmadi on the street of london

[53:24]someone says to me said no you know these are kafirs kafirs

[53:27]because they don't believe in the finality that finality issue is it's

[53:33]one of the main parts of nabuwa or one of the just

[53:37]iat is it debatable is there a yes no answer for it

[53:40]nobody believe they believe what happens if someone believes in somebody after

[53:48]rasulullah does it lead to oh no when it came to us

[53:52]if someone today was to come and ask you this question and

[53:54]i will go further tomorrow on this issue if someone today asks

[54:00]you you are shia i want you to explain to me as

[54:04]a shii where is your book which explains your belief system even

[54:07]now imagine you want to marry a girl and you're together with

[54:09]this girl at work and she goes listen i'm not shia i

[54:14]want to know more about shia where's your belief where's your book

[54:18]of akkad we reply that our books of are available where what

[54:24]is our books of akkad which books would you give somebody i

[54:27]ask all of you now even if you want you can answer

[54:32]me i ask you now if there's a book on on our

[54:35]belief system so it's literally a shii zedo encyclopedia which explains simply

[54:42]for example 45 codes of sri i believe which book would you

[54:47]give what i would do is naturally i would look for a

[54:55]book where the derivatives of akhida or the word akida are the

[55:00]title so i would go to was asked by the scholars of

[55:07]nishapur to write on the shia a belief system i go to

[55:11]those shia i believe this why do i say this because those

[55:15]of you who shouted shia for shiite 45 chapters of shia and

[55:32]what we believe that's the manual that you can give for this

[55:38]issue when we the shia are therefore when we believed what did

[55:40]we believe we believed in allah yes like the rest of the

[55:46]muslim ummah we believed in the prophets of allah yes like the

[55:49]rest of the muslim ummah we believe in the quran yes like

[55:53]the rest of the muslim ummah we believe in qiyamah yes like

[55:55]the rest of the muslim ummah but we had an allegiance towards

[56:01]imam amir al-mu'maniyan alayhi an allegiance towards the imams of that allegiance

[56:06]led to not just kuffar of us but led to persecution in

[56:13]every century of this religion's history every century of this religion's history

[56:19]we the shia have either been called kuffar or we have been

[56:26]killed because of our shia i believe someone says where firstly we

[56:30]were obviously persecuted by benny umayyah and their henchmen everybody can see

[56:35]that as clear as they then the abbasids executed us because of

[56:39]our allegiance to bani hashem instead of our allegiance to ben al-abbas

[56:44]to the extent that the grandsons of fatherhood islam would be beheaded

[56:50]in the streets because of being shia and the famous incident all

[56:54]of you know about the incident of then after that this was

[56:58]during the life of the imams any of you want to read

[57:01]the book if you can read i don't think it's in english

[57:03]but in arabic it's definitely the killings of the parliaments the killings

[57:16]of who repeat after me the killing of the talibans a list

[57:28]of all the talibans who were executed and killed lists lists of

[57:32]one after the other why why are you killing me why for

[57:36]what reason because of my allegiance to who my allegiance to ali

[57:40]and my dissociation from the enemies of ali you looked after the

[57:47]rape of the 12th imam where did that persecution go i'm going

[57:49]to give you a timeline because some of our today think that

[57:53]we got where we got too easily easy sit in mosques with

[57:59]air conditioned now and we can chill and we can have azadari

[58:01]as we please they don't know the lives that were lost so

[58:06]for us to get here you go to the time of sheikh

[58:11]torsi baghdad became the center of killing fields because you were shia

[58:14]of course the other side had their reason the other side said

[58:20]you cursed muawiyah yes we do it's true we do there's absolutely

[58:25]no doubt about that i cannot deny it it's as much as

[58:28]the shia i want to say that you know what when someone

[58:33]puts them on the spot you say do you curse more away

[58:34]and you'll see some xiao will say no no no no no

[58:37]no no no no no we do why am i going to

[58:41]be around the bush my literature is all available online it's all

[58:45]available online i'm going to come to this vital point very shortly

[58:49]so some shira in the time in baghdad after the rape of

[58:53]the imam you know the shri and baghdad lived in the area

[58:55]called yes the samshiya would curse more away than others others would

[59:02]come back with an absolute bloodbath of the shia community me cursing

[59:06]muawiyah one question please i want to ask all of you everyone

[59:11]watching does it mean i stopped believing in allah if i curse

[59:16]more have i stopped believing in allah no no i still say

[59:19]proudly me cursing my away doesn't mean i stop believing in rasulullah

[59:27]no does it mean i stop salah towards the kaaba no so

[59:31]am i still a muslim technically ah because this is a vital

[59:39]point can i still be a muslim and curse muhammad if islam

[59:44]is about la ilaha let's come back let's come back again i

[59:53]believe in allah and i believe in muhammad we all agree and

[60:01]i follow hajj and salaam salman hajj and zakat and homson all

[60:07]of that i believe in the angels and i believe but i

[60:12]am somebody who dissociates from from abu sufyan and from yazid and

[60:15]others why do i become kafir how do i become careful i

[60:22]still believe in rasulallah since when did abu sufyan's son become part

[60:27]of kufar and iman when does that occur that's certainly not early

[60:35]islam because early islam a person who believes is automatically a muslim

[60:45]unless hear me properly now unless you add to the usolidin please

[60:49]hear me on this point it's vital if you add to the

[60:55]osola deen now the question is what can you add as a

[61:01]shiri i'm accused of adding imam as a shiri i'm accused of

[61:09]adding imam but non-shia added no no no there's a third one

[61:18]it's a big one what's the third of the solid dean of

[61:21]the non-shia the ultimate decency of the sahaba of rasulallah we agree

[61:32]ultimate decency i as a shiite how many imams i believe in

[61:38]twelve but i believe them assume you ripped me because i believe

[61:48]twelve were infallible you ripped me because i believe 12 were infallible

[61:57]you made a hundred thousand infallible come back again let's go back

[62:07]although of course we believe imam is part of islam because was

[62:15]during his life was during his life so for us imam is

[62:18]part i don't mind by the way if you add the ultimate

[62:23]decency of the sahaba as one of the solid i've got no

[62:29]issue the same way you could have ichthy had when it came

[62:32]to what is history and theology likewise i can have you decided

[62:37]a hundred thousand people who had talked saw sat whatever with the

[62:41]prophet what became part of australian i decided 12 people who at

[62:48]sat talked lived inherited from the holy prophet they became part of

[62:54]a solid why then am i kaphor why am i kafir for

[63:01]what reason when did ultimate decency of the sahaba become obsolete when

[63:05]when did it become a solid i thought the sahaba the quran

[63:09]i think makes it very clear amongst the sahaba are those whose

[63:12]examples are on the torah and the injeel don't we read the

[63:19]ayah muhammad rasool allah surah 48 verse 29 muhammad is the messenger

[63:47]of allah and those who are with him firm against the disbelievers

[63:52]merciful amongst themselves you see them in roku and sujud gaining the

[64:00]pleasure of allah the marks of prostration are on their forehead their

[64:02]example are in the torah their example is in the bible i

[64:05]respect that i believe that there are those who are with rasulallah

[64:09]that they are equivalent equivalent how many more companies you want me

[64:27]to name you then i believe that there are others who don't

[64:30]reach that same level and the quran mentioned that there are companions

[64:35]who claim to be with the prophet and that they may have

[64:38]ended up even towards the world of hypocrisy as one hadith says

[64:41]you do not know what they did after you o prophet of

[64:45]god on the pool of gotham so now when i look at

[64:48]this baba i don't mind your suladine be proud to admit one

[64:53]tohid two believe in angels three prophets four day of judgement five

[65:01]ultimate decency of the companions my o soledin tawheed and i believe

[65:07]in naboor and i believe in imam and i believe in the

[65:09]day of judgment okay those are my or solid but even though

[65:14]that was there we were still persecuted baghdad we were persecuted after

[65:19]baghdad where are we called kofor you look for example some of

[65:26]our scholars who are literally killed for being shia nothing else just

[65:29]for being shi'a that's it baba i believe i pray towards the

[65:35]qibla how can i be careful how can i be careful because

[65:41]you dissociate from the companions hold on wait you've reached the conclusion

[65:47]that companions make up akida i reach it but i also reached

[65:50]the conclusion that there are some who dissociated themselves by fighting the

[65:54]family of the prophet one of our great scholars got the title

[65:58]shaheed because of being persecuted and killed because ishia shahid al-awwal go

[66:05]to lebanon there's a village called jazzin he was from that village

[66:12]great islam because he was shia they beheaded him they hung his

[66:15]body and put it on the corpse and they burnt it shahid

[66:20]studied by all maharaja why was he killed because he was shia

[66:25]you go to uzbekistan central asia uzbekistan there are people uzbekistan central

[66:33]asia we're not we're talking a few hundred years ago because they

[66:36]were shia they were made into slaves or they were executed shem

[66:39]saddeen harati and others would give fetch was and this is where

[66:44]the problem is on the first level please focus on this the

[66:47]first problem is the fetch was and the fetch was by the

[66:49]way can happen both sides please bear with me the first side

[66:54]is if there's a fetch one that says and if you doubt

[67:01]that they are kuffar then you are a cover it's phenomenal eben

[67:09]eben has a book the book is available everywhere it's called the

[67:24]unsheathed sword on the one who abuses the prophet it's a phenomenal

[67:27]time you have to give the title the men's credit it's an

[67:32]absolutely phenomenal and in that book he narrates imam ali saying that

[67:42]i heard from the prophet there will come a time after us

[67:46]there's a group called whoever doubts their kofor is a kafir and

[67:51]i'm not going to say that ibn tamiya necessarily professes this always

[67:56]in public but in saddam and now look there's a fatwa there

[67:58]i'm not going to say non-shia all believe this there are many

[68:02]non-shia who believe that we are muslim but they differ with us

[68:05]on theology but when you have a book and sometimes you hear

[68:10]people saying that you guys make films which are sectarian please listen

[68:15]to this you guys make films which are sectarian i reply okay

[68:19]let's have a bargaining process you say these films are sectarian first

[68:24]i'll discuss that what is it you say a film is sectarian

[68:30]origin anything i'm going to make is going to be called sectarian

[68:32]if it differs from your ichty head on history anything anything if

[68:38]i differ with your hd head in history for example if i

[68:43]show a film just on the battle of ahud battle of ahud

[68:47]famous companions ran away am i allowed to make a film in

[68:49]britain about it actually not me nor anyone else joe blogs or

[68:59]ali blogs in the community say that he made a film on

[69:03]the battle of am i allowed to show everything or no or

[69:07]you dictate what i'm allowed to show one second you dictate what

[69:12]i'm allowed to show because you have your own version of history

[69:15]so why can't i have my version what is it what's what's

[69:19]haram about me having my version when you say to me that

[69:23]your films are sectarian let's bargain on this how shall we bargain

[69:28]you remove assadam and maslow from every bookshelf in the uk and

[69:33]we will at the same time try our hardest to make sure

[69:37]that films which are provocative are removed who are you to ask

[69:43]for an offer you're 15 of the muslim world you're talking to

[69:47]a blue chip company you see sometimes people don't understand the mentality

[69:51]i own a company worth seven billion pounds you own a company

[69:57]worth one million why in god's name are you trying to make

[70:01]an offer with me and bargain i make the deal i'm the

[70:04]one who's 80 percent of the muslim world you make your deal

[70:08]with me the problem has always been the bullying tactic that's used

[70:13]against others the way he went after the ismaili shia no one

[70:20]mentions that salah hadin is the great saladin and richard the lionheart

[70:24]why don't you mention the way he persecuted the ismailis the father

[70:28]of the empire which was the isma'ili shia why don't you mention

[70:33]salahuddin in that light no no no no no history is only

[70:37]written by us no it's not history is the science of ichtihad

[70:43]you have your reading i have my reading how dare you call

[70:48]me careful for my reading you disagree with a version of history

[70:55]of mine why can i not present my version islam my dear

[71:00]brothers and sisters does not have one version of history islam has

[71:04]a number of readings of history so when someone today comes and

[71:11]says fatwas the sunni going towards the salafis he says whoever doubts

[71:18]that then he himself becomes a kafir that's on the one side

[71:21]but then also with our side it's not like that we never

[71:26]had problems listen the sufferings and the ottomans was not a healthy

[71:29]period the shia have their problems with the ottomans and the ottomans

[71:35]had their problem with their sufferings and not everything can be brought

[71:38]down to simple sunnishi apalamics however when a person turns around and

[71:43]says to me the two people are sectarian i have to admit

[71:49]if i look at majlis's bihar i might find something that says

[71:52]that those who are not shia they are at least internally kafur

[71:58]and the 12th imam will expose that that also exists in my

[72:03]book as well if i want the world to move forward i

[72:05]have to show what's in my book and what's this our shia

[72:10]lama believe that non-shia externally are muslim internally they go towards the

[72:17]direction in one of their discussions but the majority go towards it

[72:23]that muslims internally are disbelievers because of the rejection of william but

[72:32]externally no externally they are muslims and that is the way that

[72:39]we judge them on the external but if it was they'll go

[72:42]towards that direction someone says that does that mean if we want

[72:45]to move away from a world of tech fear between muslims that

[72:49]we should stop discussing these sensitive issues there has been a campaign

[72:53]i saw a press conference in on youtube about a month ago

[72:59]where sunni and shia olama had got together and these sunni and

[73:04]shia had got together and they were saying that there needs to

[73:07]be unity unity is a slogan that everybody throws without having the

[73:16]deeper understanding unity is not something that's going to happen theologically take

[73:19]it from me theologically what we should be looking at is how

[73:25]can we as muslims coexist but have different narratives of history that

[73:30]is where we head when a person just throws unity as i

[73:35]heard one scholar say it in one video i was in disbelief

[73:40]baba takriya has a limit but don't go that far i beg

[73:43]you i heard one who said how could i attack the early

[73:51]caliphs when one of them is imam assadak's great grandfather uncle allah

[74:01]destroyed him someone says but if we don't talk about these things

[74:08]if we talk about these early history someone said then we're going

[74:12]to be called kafirs and in pakistan people will kill us have

[74:16]you ever seen an order election pakistan or no by ashi have

[74:18]you seen one or no they've said ahmad gives a lecture or

[74:25]anyone else gives a lecture discussing fedex or sacrifice then in pakistan

[74:29]shia will get killed if i give a lecture discussing have you

[74:35]ever seen an ordinance in pakistan have you ever seen one they

[74:40]don't need me to give lectures they can cause enough trouble themselves

[74:50]when torabi died after tarabi died went into a direction where literally

[74:59]majalis were purely tabarro without saying the names you need me to

[75:08]give lectures you need me if i give a lecture in england

[75:11]it's going to cause a problem pakistan go listen to the ones

[75:14]in pakistan they don't need me themselves need a major reform for

[75:21]two reasons the first reason is if you think those hints hint

[75:25]in tint you're giving on mimbar people don't know who you're talking

[75:27]about you gotta wake up and smell the coffee everyone now knows

[75:31]who you're talking about secondly because the youth are now getting bored

[75:35]of that direction the youth want something a bit more intellectual at

[75:40]least rather than how am i gonna bash the calyps for one

[75:43]hour for 12 nights there's no other topic just bash them no

[75:46]other topic because you bashing them at least bring some other topic

[75:50]for the love of god what's the topic what's the topic what's

[75:55]the topic greatness of imam ali what's the topic badness of sativa

[75:58]what's the topic badness of jamal what's the topic bad is there

[76:02]no other topic in islam just those every year in karachi there's

[76:05]no other topic in islamabad no other topic in lahore no other

[76:09]topic in mumbai no other topic in delhi you come and tell

[76:12]us that we shouldn't dissect history baba i have every right to

[76:15]dissect history but but nor do we need to dissect it in

[76:21]a way where we're going to insult and make fun and make

[76:23]jokes on the member and the crowd going okay marshall the crowd's

[76:25]doing wawa for you and the crowds come back wild but for

[76:31]what for what reason what's being achieved the problem isn't the topic

[76:36]rather it's the analysis and where it heads we can analyze early

[76:41]history and no one can dictate to us what we can and

[76:46]we can't analyze each and every one of us has the right

[76:50]to analyze and some people who are saying don't discuss these early

[76:53]issues so what shall we do shall we begin to scrap fratamiya

[76:56]now shall we end fatima no more shahadah shall we begin to

[77:02]strap it because someone says it's better we don't discuss these things

[77:05]so let's grab this and then one day we'll scrap karbala when

[77:11]we discuss these we are muslims who have every right as people

[77:17]of the qibla people of la ilaha muhammad rasulullah we have every

[77:21]right to discuss our history because the only way forward is not

[77:25]shia sunni unity the way forward is that my sunni brother and

[77:31]sister has their ichthy heart on history and i have my ichthy

[77:34]heart on history and on the particulars of us they have their

[77:38]ichthy heart i might heard your heart if you honestly and sincerely

[77:43]and that's why when someone says to me do you believe non-shia

[77:46]kafir i always say no someone says what do you mean i

[77:51]say a non-shia is not a cathode while he says and he

[77:53]says muhammad rasool allah he is not a kafir he is a

[77:56]muslim and i will always a muslim and there's a third point

[78:00]and that is who am i to judge how much of islam

[78:04]and its real origin reached him what do i mean someone who's

[78:09]not shia i don't judge them the way you judge yourself there

[78:13]are some who've never heard what took place at sacrifice there are

[78:18]some believe me go in a taxi in north africa go in

[78:23]a taxi in north africa when you enter that taxi ask the

[78:28]driver a driver he'll ask you where you from for example if

[78:30]you ask me where am i from i'll say iraq say which

[78:35]part of anarch i say i'm from najib not baghdad because first

[78:42]thing is baghdad nightclubs ladies no where am i from okay now

[78:51]jeff what's there this credit of what's there goes to a few

[79:00]people amongst them saddam hussein big credit to him because saddam hussein

[79:07]made sure if you finish this hussain you finish the shia ban

[79:13]if you go today to the hijaz in the eastern province there

[79:18]are majalis you go to bahrain manama is called the second karbala

[79:24]saddam hussein's iraq not a sniff of a mageless 77 till o3

[79:31]you had to hide to do a majlis that's called persecution yes

[79:38]so now if i look at the nancy i will ever say

[79:41]kapha no way because only allah can judge what came to them

[79:45]if i am seeing someone who blatantly knows about imam ali and

[79:51]wants to be obstinate even then i cannot judge because only allah

[79:56]can judge them only allah can judge never can i look at

[79:59]another muslim and say he's a catholic yes there might be a

[80:01]term of nawaz that's a different story the one who has hate

[80:06]for ah little bait that's a different story but to see another

[80:09]muslim i will never shout outside the cinema sunni are this no

[80:15]my problem i have no issue with whatsoever at all nothing i

[80:22]discuss their theories and their history the people sometimes can be better

[80:28]than my people in can be closer to me as friends but

[80:31]discussing history and theology that is not a problem and that's why

[80:36]we tell all of our youth the don't be of those who

[80:41]are scared about discussing your history be proud of it be proud

[80:45]to defend the principles of be proud with your identity and appreciate

[80:51]that others have their identity we have ours they have their history

[80:57]which is true we have ours they have their hadiths which are

[81:00]weak we have ours as well appreciate but be ready always to

[81:08]defend your religion and remember one slogan in your life what is

[81:11]it who said that slogan one man he had just lost his

[81:22]right arm yes many times people don't understand abel why because all

[81:29]they hear is just the music without focusing on the words of

[81:32]the music something remarkable about him and that is not just his

[81:41]defense of william number one defense of nobu defense of tawheed he

[81:49]ultimately when he begins to lose what he loses have you ever

[81:54]i asked you seen anyone recite poetry while bleeding i ask you

[81:59]to think about this think about it in your life if i

[82:02]get a small injury a small injury say my toenail breaks or

[82:07]comes off i'll be screaming if you ask me at that moment

[82:10]recite a poem i said what poem but if i lost my

[82:16]arm i will be in even more anguish unless the level of

[82:21]insight i have reached is the highest level unless the level of

[82:24]japan that i've reached is the highest level unless the level of

[82:28]bliss i have achieved spiritually is the highest level of bliss any

[82:33]human being can ever achieve people ask why why about abdullah when

[82:38]kept on asking you let me go out on the battlefield why

[82:41]would abba abdullah keep saying not now not now until imam al-hussein

[82:46]would say to him go and get water why not just let

[82:50]him go out and the answer is that imam al-hussein wanted to

[82:55]tell abel that your real enemy abbas is not those opposition your

[82:59]real enemy is your own nephs if you can get past your

[83:05]nephs then you abbas will see bliss like you've never ever seen

[83:09]before you'll begin to recite couplets of poetry you'll see yourself at

[83:14]the highest level where death is just a bridge for you for

[83:18]the hereafter and truly when you look at his lines you realize

[83:24]the effect that this particular jihadist victory had on abel but the

[83:31]saddest thing is the fact that it has insane what made him

[83:47]leave what made him leave was while he was discussing with abba

[83:50]abdullah he heard a cry they both were standing looking at each

[83:56]other they heard a cry imagine that tear or that cry from

[84:02]your own children allah there are those of you here who have

[84:05]children when you see your daughter or your son cry a little

[84:09]bit you run to them but when you notice they're thirsty you

[84:12]straight away want to quench their thirst [Laughter] go and get some

[84:31]water every year we remember this but look at us it breaks

[84:34]our hearts every year we remember these lines he said to him

[84:40]go and get water for the children around me especially the six-month-old

[84:50]baby she looked towards him zainab looked towards him they knew that

[84:58]this was the time that they would bid him farewell he went

[85:01]towards that water of the faraday when he got closer to the

[85:08]water the soldiers began to attackable they attacked him but whose son

[85:13]is he he's um yes sir he wanted to make his mother

[85:17]proud and his father amir and mormon proud when he went past

[85:25]them they had come towards the farad his lips were dry from

[85:29]the thirst when he came towards the water imagine holding that cold

[85:37]water in your hand and you haven't drunk water for a while

[85:40]his naps was saying to him drink it but how can i

[85:46]drink water while my master is thirsty yes sir how is it

[86:04]that i can come out and drink and my brother's about to

[86:08]drink the syrup of death he carried the water back on his

[86:13]way as he's returning one of the men struck his right arm

[86:19]if someone struck your right arm you would think that you would

[86:31][Music] [Music] he tried to hold on now with his left arm

[86:57]the problem is now that if that arm goes the alarm is

[87:02]about to fall and [Laughter] they took the left arm over trying

[87:50]to hold on guys normally when someone falls [Applause] running towards him

[88:15]imagine that scene when he came he couldn't tell but who is

[88:18]it all he called out is i tell you all please don't

[88:22]strike me until i see my master imam hussain who's gonna carry

[88:54]your head [Applause] what is it tell me he said leave me

[89:14]here don't take me back i promise to canaanite come back with

[89:18]water about abdullah wanted something from him what did he want he

[89:26]said at first i ask you for what they said what is

[89:30]it call me your brother call me call me where is he

[90:01]tell me tell me tell me where is he so cain is

[90:07]crying looking for his body saying i've never forgot this moment when

[90:15]she returned to caramala she went to his grave yes all those

[90:20]months later she came back yes she came near his grave she

[90:28]said where were you when they snapped us where were you when

[90:32]they attacked our creeds m [Music] m

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